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Rockman & Community => Rockman Series => Zero => Topic started by: Sub Tank on December 16, 2008, 12:05:36 AM
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Is Dr. Weil's suit supposed to be biological or entirely robotic? I always thought he was a human head connected to a robot body, and I distinctly remember reading that his armor was designed to keep his body from aging. This all made perfect sense to me, until I saw his face get smashed in, which resembled something from the Terminator. So is his brain human? What part of him exactly is human? He can't be a robot, because that wouldn't make any sense at all.
Also, there is this part.
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His dying human body was hoisted into a rejuvenating armor. It's simply the case that the armor heals all dying human parts by exchanging them with machine. Thus, he, a human, gradually turned completely into machine.
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Ya know, I've never seen Immortality as a bad thing myself.
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Ya know, I've never seen Immortality as a bad thing myself.
You'll go [tornado fang]ing nuts after some time.
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Zan, I truly await the day where you say, "I have no [tornado fang]ing clue, Sub Tank. Your question has left me stumped."
Yet that is not the case here. Thanks, that clears a lot up.
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But I thought your name was Heart Tank...?
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You'll go [tornado fang]ing nuts after some time.
Well granted, if you're locked away or something like that, I guess. XD
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His dying human body was hoisted into a rejuvenating armor. It's simply the case that the armor heals all dying human parts by exchanging them with machine. Thus, he, a human, gradually turned completely into machine.
I think he mentions his memories were transfered into "program data", so I guess his brain is robotical too
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Did Model W inherit the healing ability too?
Cause that would mean it's far from being destryoed after falling into the ocean.
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Ya know, I've never seen Immortality as a bad thing myself.
But there are just some maniacal, dangerous people who don't need to live forever.
Case in point, Dr. Weil.
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Zan, I truly await the day where you say, "I have no [tornado fang]ing clue, Sub Tank. Your question has left me stumped."
Yet that is not the case here. Thanks, that clears a lot up.
It's probably the same day where you say "I have no [tornado fang]ing idea how to put tits on that, Zan. Your question has left me stumped"
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It's probably the same day where you say "I have no [tornado fang]ing idea how to put tits on that, Zan. Your question has left me stumped"
That will truly be a rare event indeed. And a sad day for everyone.
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I think he mentions his memories were transfered into "program data", so I guess his brain is robotical too
Initially his brain isn't mechanical, but by turning his memories into program data which his human brain is connected to, they ensure that even with his human brain dying, he would never forget.
As for immortality and punishment. Such a thing as imprisonment and the death penalty are pointless to the old man Dr. Weil who's already at the end of his human life. Because of his age, death is simply the easy way out for him.
Giving him immortality isn't about making him experience eternal life. It's about making him experience endless suffering. He has a human body that's constantly dying and reviving, thrown into a world without light and nature. He is simply driven insane with endless agony by that pain. Add to that him being far removed from civilized life and his armor lacking any of the capabilities it has now. He'd have to literally crawl back to Neo Arcadia, to his old lab, to get himself back into reasonable shape and stop the endless pain.
Keep in mind though, Weil's state of being at the end of Elf Wars is one not really known, but the above is the conclusion I came up with when brainstorming about the details of Elf Wars.
It's probably the same day where you say "I have no [tornado fang]ing idea how to put tits on that, Zan. Your question has left me stumped"
I'm probably shooting myself in the foot here, but Sub Tank probably can't put tits on tits. Which sooner or later I'll be stumped by sub tank's question.... unless he actually succeeds.
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In b4 fractal tits
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In b4 fractal tits
You forgot that most japanese baddies almost sound the same (Eggman and Weil both do, really). however, this ain't the case here. It's about Weil after his punishment, that drove him insane.
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I'm probably shooting myself in the foot here, but Sub Tank probably can't put tits on tits. Which sooner or later I'll be stumped by sub tank's question.... unless he actually succeeds.
In b4 fractal tits
Multi/Tower Tits... :|
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Now I have a question:
How advanced is the biotechnology during the MMZ era? Is Weil the only being that's a mix of biological and mechanical components?
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Advanced enough to the point that they can just decide on a whim they want to give humans machine bodies.
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I thought that was an exceptional sentence?
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I'm talking about ZX's human-repliroid integration. They were able to order a law and put it in effect fairly quickly after the events of ZERO4, this regardless of the immense technological dark age brought about Neo Arcadia's downfall. So, the technology is well developed, just never really employed. However, at the time of Elf Wars, it was a unique operation devised specifically for Dr. Vile.
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And Thomas now wants to undo this?
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He wants to improve upon it.
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Yet another question:
Do detailed maps of the world during the MMZ era exist? All I know of are little ingame maps like the Stage select screen in MMZ4.
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The world map is identical to ours, as the continents did not change even after the Eurasia incident. For actual locations, your best is to take a world map and start fitting ZERO3's stage select on top of it. Some places can be reasonably concluded as being on specific continents. I think it's even possible to pin down AreaX-II as being in, or at least near, japan. Trying to figure out where Eurasia actually crashed is something better left to X6 than to ZERO4 though.
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Looks like I got something to do.
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A question thats been puzzling me. For quite some time now.
At some point, robots have a law that grants them, more human emotions, more human like traits...
Are these traits computer programmed or were they taught by humans?
I ask, because it could make a great story plot for a new Zero or ZX game. Get into more specifics about that robot law, if possible.
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There's no law that grants robots more human emotions and human traits. They've had those abilities for centuries before ZX's equality laws even come about.
The content of the equality laws are as follows:
"After years of constant battle between humans and Reploids, both sides - seeking peace and equality - reached an accord. They agreed to pass a law granting humans the same strength as the Reploids' mechanical bodies, and granting Reploids human mortality."
-"According to established law in aiming toward true equality for humans and Reploids, it's come to be in this era that humans are given a "machine body." Humans that reach a certain degree of age, they are given machine body similar to a Reploid's, and a portion of the flesh body, or all of it, can be exchanged to machine (the natural flesh body exchanged for machine is deposited at facilities in the country). Also, humans that have been given machine bodies are given a colation ID - a Hu Number (Hu meaning Human) - to indicate their flesh body's retention."
All these laws give to Repliroids is mortality, a lifespan, by use of a "life activity timer" that is activated the moment the electronic brain is.
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"I did not murder him!"
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"I did not murder him!"
dont you just love i Robot. that movie was the best thing ever.
also, that means that theres a warehouse somewhere that has arms legs heads and full bodies or parts of them just stored like frozen beef?
ew...
so... what... if someone want the part or body back, can they get it back?
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ZAN. how do reploids poop? D:
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energy pellets? 8D
Oh Dear... whatever happened to that thread about Megaman eating robot poop?
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It went to the big forum section in the sky. :[
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Neeeeeee~ Vixy sama... could you bring that thread back? it was too good...
Plus its relevant.
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Such a kawaii morning.
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ZAN. how do reploids poop? D:
Any given way they're designed to be.
so... what... if someone want the part or body back, can they get it back?
Well, there are reasons why they stored the originals, so yes.
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It's an interesting twist on immortality, don't you think? But it's also an interesting and very creepy punishment for the old man.
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Yeah, I have a question as well. How in the living hell is giving a guy immortality thought of as a proper punishment for nearly making all living things on a planet extinct? Does no one at that time believe in human Capital Punishment? Only blowing up machines? Or just toss him in a volcano? Or maybe---just maybe, whoever's left on the planet to give him one kick to the groin each?
And if they really wanted to punish him, they'd make him watch BloodRaine the movie. But that's just me and I'm wondering how that was thought of as a good idea?
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seriously. I mean, what if he didnt mind being immortal? its clearly given him time to create a comeback strategy, and If Vile has shown us anything, its that its not all that punishment that bothers him, simply the fact that he was expelled from NA. he just hates the fact that he lost while the word "justice" was spouted like water on a thirsty plant. he doesnt seem to care that he was exiled to a barren wasteland, or that hes immortal. its made him loony, sure, but he doesnt seem to care about that.
also, are the people so stupid that they dont think he might come back with a vengance one day? or do they figure hell just take the whipping like a good little boy?
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Yeah, I have a question as well. How in the living hell is giving a guy immortality thought of as a proper punishment for nearly making all living things on a planet extinct? Does no one at that time believe in human Capital Punishment? Only blowing up machines? Or just toss him in a volcano? Or maybe---just maybe, whoever's left on the planet to give him one kick to the groin each?
And if they really wanted to punish him, they'd make him watch BloodRaine the movie. But that's just me and I'm wondering how that was thought of as a good idea?
Technically, it can be worse than death. If you make someone immortal, and say, bury them alive or something like that, it's consider torture.
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Yeah, I have a question as well. How in the living hell is giving a guy immortality thought of as a proper punishment for nearly making all living things on a planet extinct? Does no one at that time believe in human Capital Punishment? Only blowing up machines? Or just toss him in a volcano? Or maybe---just maybe, whoever's left on the planet to give him one kick to the groin each?
And if they really wanted to punish him, they'd make him watch BloodRaine the movie. But that's just me and I'm wondering how that was thought of as a good idea?
This explanation wasn't adequate? (http://forum.rockmanpm.com/index.php?topic=581.msg26840#msg26840)
Death is not a punishment for those with one foot in the grave already! He's old, he's dying, he can't be imprisoned for long, torture will be equally as short. He'll take the easy way out and croak because of his old age before justice can be served. For the ultimate sin, a punishment worse than death was used.. They gave him eternal torture, plain and simple. Eternal pain by his body endlessly dying and reviving in never ending repetition. The average person under those conditions would have been reduced to having the mental capacities of a plant in no time. The fact that he still holds onto a sharp mind is simply a testament to Dr. Vile's remarkable strong will that's hellbent on revenge.
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Also, the human mind (and Weil's mind is indeed of human nature) is only made for a limited lifespan. You know that some people go really weird and crazy the older they grow?
Now imagine there was no limit to that.
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an OD cranky grandpa. 8D
also, I still think he was underestimated when he was punished. and the fact that Neo Arcadia preffered to erase all records of the elf wars instead of keeping them to prevent any similar thing, just added to his easy return, as nobody exept the high ranking Govt officials really knew who he was at all. like Harpuia.
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Weil got his chance after Copy X was defeated. Copy X MK2 was Weil´s ticket for revenge....in other words...It´s all Zero´s fault :o
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*insert Gutsmans ass and DADUMMM!*
yeah. he abused CX2's naiveness and pretty much made it, you owe me, just cancel my exile, kthnx. and CX2, was like, HMMM... HE HAS A POINT. ALRIGHT!
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Did anyone else find the punishment that Neo Arcadia gave Weil kinda stupid?
Okay I understand that the humans wanted him to suffer forever after all the lives he killed and that he was going to die anyway because he was so old and all that stuff...but giving a evil mad scientist who caused mass genocide to both the human and reploid species and can also revive reploids immortality, what are they thinking?
I mean seriously how can they not expect what would happen later especially when Omega was just in space I mean Weil could of just build a space ship to get him back. By the way why was Omega only sent to space anyway was it because his body couldn't be destroyed or something with the maverick virus?
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Maybe those books I keep seeing mentioned but keep forgetting about touch upon some answers to your questions, but otherwise in-game I don't think they actually go into details about them. I, too, agree that giving an insane old S.O.B. technical immortality, even if it's to torture him forever in the abyss of space, was not a generally good idea in hindsight.
Maybe the original X himself decreed the punishment while he was still "around," wishing to be merciful but failed to realize what might happen later on, or maybe the people in charge then were just not thinking right. I also wonder about Omega, but maybe they didn't wish to destroy Zero's original body or something? :\
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read Zan's post. they simply underestimated his grip on his mind. they expected he would suffer and eventually like Zan said, be reduced to a broken babbeling plant, but didnt expect him to actually pull through. and Omega... X by that point was sick and damn tired of death and destruction, and just avoided having Omega retired. probably moreso because it was his friends body inside, and didnt want to destroy it, even if Zero himself was no longer in possesion of it.
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read Zan's post. they simply underestimated his grip on his mind. they expected he would suffer and eventually like Zan said, be reduced to a broken babbeling plant, but didnt expect him to actually pull through. and Omega... X by that point was sick and damn tired of death and destruction, and just avoided having Omega retired. probably moreso because it was his friends body inside, and didnt want to destroy it, even if Zero himself was no longer in possesion of it.
Oh okay now I get it now. I still think it was a dumb idea though.
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We ALL think it was a dumb Idea.
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The average person under those conditions would have been reduced to having the mental capacities of a plant in no time. The fact that he still holds onto a sharp mind is simply a testament to Dr. Vile's remarkable strong will that's hellbent on revenge.
Yeah. Which is why you can never overestimate someone enough. The thing was that yeah, while they wanted him to really feel for what he did, they got greedy in their revenge. The average person would have, but then again, the average person isn't capable enough to cause an entire global shakedown of life. A execution like the "Maverick" he was would have been their best bet.
They just got greedy.
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It was impossible to predict, and was the best alternative...
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I have to agree with Ramzal
Posted on: January 19, 2009, 12:03:31 AM
It was impossible to predict, and was the best alternative...
Best bet my ass. It was their "preffered" alternative. They wanted him to suffer for ever in revenge, "screw execution, a living death would be better." Although executing him is what they SHOULD have done.
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I don't think the public would have been satisfied with just letting the guy rest in peace after ruining the entire world.
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They could have locked him in a small dark room for all eternity, instead of just sending him off. they could have just done that immortal [parasitic bomb] to his brain only, and left it in a lavalamp containment thing, in a small safe in a small dark room, where he would stay for all eternity, secluded from the public, forever a prisoner in his own mind, unable to move, or see, speak, feel, or, if they really wanted to torture him, sleep. thats a hell of a lot worse.
theres an ENDLESS list of things they could have done which would been loads better than what they did, while still keeping him alive.
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Who says he wouldn't have died in the procedure of making him just a brain?
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Who'd punish you for that?! XD
"Oops. I think I accidently killed the guy who destroyed the planet."
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he sure as hell didnt die during the procedure they DID do to him did he?
they could have done just that but leave him a brain. or simply do the whole dress thing, immobilize him in a small dark room with no light or sound from the outside and be done with it.
like I said, theyre are many ways that they could have handled that better.
I mena, if I were the law, I would rather have such a dangerous criminal under my watching eye, rather than let him go where he has a small remote chance of "getting back on his feet" no?
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he sure as hell didnt die during the procedure they DID do to him did he?
They put his human body in an armor that would regenerate him. It took a century for Dr. Vile to turn completely into machine.
I mena, if I were the law, I would rather have such a dangerous criminal under my watching eye, rather than let him go where he has a small remote chance of "getting back on his feet" no?
Being dumped halfway across the planet into a wasteland without light or nature, filled with merciless mechaniloids. is you're idea of something a dying man that's driven insane by pain can get up from? He'd have to crawl across the roughest of terrain, get past the largest oceans, to in one hundred years make his way back to his old lab to ease his suffering. Sure, he DID, but would you expect that? His PRISON is the world itself. Neo Arcadia being the high tech society it is has many ways to surveyl Vile's whereabouts and activities at any given time. But the utopia that is Neo Arcadia is ruled by the kind X, and the punishment of Dr. Vile did not happen through official channels. Even with the passing of the mortal humans that sentenced Vile, never can the immortal ruler of Neo Arcadia know of this massive cover up of history, the sin they commited to punish the greatest sin they themselves helped cause.
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They put his human body in an armor that would regenerate him. It took a century for Dr. Vile to turn completely into machine.
Being dumped halfway across the planet into a wasteland without light or nature, filled with merciless mechaniloids. is you're idea of something a dying man that's driven insane by pain can get up from? He'd have to crawl across the roughest of terrain, get past the largest oceans, to in one hundred years make his way back to his old lab to ease his suffering. Sure, he DID, but would you expect that? His PRISON is the world itself. Neo Arcadia being the high tech society it is has many ways to surveyl Vile's whereabouts and activities at any given time. But the utopia that is Neo Arcadia is ruled by the kind X, and the punishment of Dr. Vile did not happen through official channels. Even with the passing of the mortal humans that sentenced Vile, never can the immortal ruler of Neo Arcadia know of this massive cover up of history, the sin they commited to punish the greatest sin they themselves helped cause.
Were the circumstances of Weil's exile detailed in official resources? The games reveal the regenerative armor, digitized memories, the "world with no light or nature" and the illegality of the procedure, but further details were left to the imagination.
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I checked in RMX official complete work, and one one page, they show many concepts and aging states for Weil, but there's one thing I never quite got...what the hell happened with his legs? I mean, did he cut them off himself after "regenerating" himself in a working state or did the armor just cut them off by itself after it branded them as unusable?
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yknow, I must wonder this as well. does he have legs? does he even have a waist? or is he a floating chest?
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I could try to answer this, Weil lost his legs after being scentenced into immortality during that period, Weil's entire lower half of the body may have decomposed by now (They are natural, but they weren't perserved, unlike the head, eyes, and brain) leaving him losing the ability to walk, but given the opportunity, the ability to FLOAT.
So yea, his near entire upper body was perserved while somehow they forgot to perserve the lower half.
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Maybe he didn't have legs when he had a human body
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RMZ Official Complete work shows many artworks where he had legs before he became a floating...thing.
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RMZ Official Complete work shows many artworks where he had legs before he became a floating...thing.
It doesn't. It shows alternate concepts for his ZERO3 appearance. Not his looks through time. Art of Dr. Weil from before being given his rejuvenating armor does not exist. We only know that his face looks like it does now.
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Page 58 on the Japanese book. ^^ </wii>
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What about that page?