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Title: Falsely Accused
Post by: Psycho Yuffie on September 09, 2009, 02:45:44 AM
Today while I was at school, my parents got a call from our telephone company saying that we were illegally file sharing Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. We were ordered to cease this immediately. Problem is that I've never downloaded or shared this book or movie. If they were talking about the book, I own it, so why would I download it illegally? If they were talking about the movie, while I thought about buying it, I've never thought about downloading it. Harry Potter, to me personally, is one of those sacred things that I won't smudge with illegal downloading. I guess this is why I feel so insulted about it.
Title: Re: Falsely Accused
Post by: Kirby Pink on September 09, 2009, 02:47:44 AM
Prank call maybe?
Title: Re: Falsely Accused
Post by: Gaia on September 09, 2009, 02:50:54 AM
Prank call maybe?

Yeah, must be them.. or  maybe some REALLY paranoid workers.. What program were you using?
Title: Re: Falsely Accused
Post by: Psycho Yuffie on September 09, 2009, 02:53:14 AM
Prank call maybe?
Prank callers? Are there prank callers that do this?
Yeah, must be them.. or  maybe some REALLY paranoid workers.. What program were you using?
None. Like I said, I never downloaded or shared the book or the movie.
Title: Re: Falsely Accused
Post by: Solar on September 09, 2009, 02:56:20 AM
Prank callers? Are there prank callers that do this?

You doubt it? Are you even sure it really was the telephone company?
Title: Re: Falsely Accused
Post by: Psycho Yuffie on September 09, 2009, 02:57:47 AM
You doubt it? Are you even sure it really was the telephone company?
Not really, honestly. Like I said, it was my parents who answered the phone, not me. I'm going to call there tomorrow morning to make sure. If it was them, they're going to get a call they won't forget, though.
Title: Re: Falsely Accused
Post by: Gaia on September 09, 2009, 03:00:26 AM
 
Prank callers? Are there prank callers that do this? None. Like I said, I never downloaded or shared the book or the movie.

Maybe, if they are paranoid enough enough to think that you are using file sharing... maybe.
Title: Re: Falsely Accused
Post by: Psycho Yuffie on September 09, 2009, 03:02:59 AM
Maybe, if they are paranoid enough enough to think that you are using file sharing... maybe.
So they make up something random someone could be downloading, if they suspect someone is participating in illegal file sharing?
Title: Re: Falsely Accused
Post by: Gaia on September 09, 2009, 03:05:15 AM
I don't know if that's how it works.. usually downloading like that blips under the radar. Plus the paranoid seem to get nervous easier and quicker.. Must've been that or a "prank".
Title: Re: Falsely Accused
Post by: Sky Child on September 09, 2009, 03:10:39 AM
Call them back and tell them you're going to take over the world.

That'll show them.
Title: Re: Falsely Accused
Post by: Psycho Yuffie on September 09, 2009, 03:32:21 AM
I don't know if that's how it works.. usually downloading like that blips under the radar. Plus the paranoid seem to get nervous easier and quicker.. Must've been that or a "prank".
I dunno... If it was something I actually downloaded illegally--if I did such things, yes--then I would be more scared than being falsely accused. That just makes me angry.
Title: Re: Falsely Accused
Post by: Gaia on September 09, 2009, 03:39:52 AM
Who knows, it might have rather been a miscall hopefully, people seem to take these kind of things rather serious nowadays.. still did back in the day too. The Law can be so confusing sometimes.. o-O
Title: Re: Falsely Accused
Post by: Tickle Buffalo on September 09, 2009, 03:44:04 AM
My ISP got an email complaining about us uploading some Harry Potter GBA game. Not sure how, 'cause I know I didn't do it, my brother hates everything related to Harry Potter, and I don't think my parents know what emulation is.

There's just something about HP I guess.
Title: Re: Falsely Accused
Post by: Psycho Yuffie on September 09, 2009, 03:46:49 AM
My ISP got an email complaining about us uploading some Harry Potter GBA game. Not sure how, 'cause I know I didn't do it, my brother hates everything related to Harry Potter, and I don't think my parents know what emulation is.

There's just something about HP I guess.
Half the problem with all of this IP tracking to illegal file sharing is that most of the time people are intentionally displaying false IPs. So innocent people get these calls, emails, and letters in the mail, and most of the time they don't even know what they're being accused of. Most people don't even know what a torrent is.
Title: Re: Falsely Accused
Post by: Harruhy on September 09, 2009, 03:48:28 AM
I got a call about file sharing too.

And then I laughed, because I was torrenting like thirty files when I got the call.
Title: Re: Falsely Accused
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 09, 2009, 03:51:55 AM
There's only one logical way to settle this. 

What we need to do is see if Nodo weighs the same as a duck.  If she does, then that explains everything.
Title: Re: Falsely Accused
Post by: Psycho Yuffie on September 09, 2009, 03:57:47 AM
What Harruhy and PB said really is what it comes down to. They can say I was downloading Mass Effect--despite that I own it--or Chicken's Revenge III: Into the Deep Fryer and it would weight the same. Despite one being completely made up, it doesn't change anything. They literally can't prove anything.

Torrents are typically undetected on the ISP end because the parts are usually being downloaded are usually too small to be noticed. I'm not saying it's impossible to trace a torrent because it isn't, but to be able to trace a single torrent can be hard just on the ISP-side.

And if they say I was downloading this file off a website, I'll just laugh--mostly because you can't file share off a website. Well, you can, if you were the one who uploaded it.
Title: Re: Falsely Accused
Post by: Tickle Buffalo on September 09, 2009, 04:00:47 AM
Torrents are typically undetected on the ISP end because the parts are usually being downloaded are usually too small to be noticed.

Download torrent.
Run torrent.
Copy IP list.


MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
Title: Re: Falsely Accused
Post by: Psycho Yuffie on September 09, 2009, 04:04:15 AM
Download torrent.
Run torrent.
Copy IP list.


MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
I was talking about ISP tracing. Like I said, however, those IPs aren't always real. One of my friends has a fake Chinese IP and no matter what tracing technique people try, he always shows up somewhere in China. This IP is even displayed in his torrents.
Title: Re: Falsely Accused
Post by: Bag of Magic Food on September 09, 2009, 10:04:47 AM
I remember a site that shows speedruns of videogames got an e-mail saying they were illegally sharing the movie "Speed".  Because the filenames of the videos contain the word "speed" as part of "speedrun", get it?  So I think sometimes these agencies aren't checking very carefully to see if the files are actual copyrighted content; they just look for big movie files with certain key words in them and send off warnings automatically.

Even still, maybe I should consider not downloading anything Harry Potter-related for a while...
Title: Re: Falsely Accused
Post by: Psycho Yuffie on September 09, 2009, 04:53:34 PM
I remember a site that shows speedruns of videogames got an e-mail saying they were illegally sharing the movie "Speed".  Because the filenames of the videos contain the word "speed" as part of "speedrun", get it?  So I think sometimes these agencies aren't checking very carefully to see if the files are actual copyrighted content; they just look for big movie files with certain key words in them and send off warnings automatically.

Even still, maybe I should consider not downloading anything Harry Potter-related for a while...
Wait, wait... Could this whole thing be about my Harry Potter fanfiction? Because I am writing one and I did send it to people to read.

Posted on: September 09, 2009, 07:16:15 AM
Just give you all an update, I did call my telephone company about this. It wasn't actually them who called, it was some kind of company that notifies people when the government detects their IP on illegal file downloads. According to this government agency, my IP was detected downloading eBooks of Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, and Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. I told them that I owned physical copies of these books and I would never have any need to download them. They told me that they'll believe me, but if they detect my IP again, I'll be in trouble. Problem is, it wasn't me who downloaded those torrents to begin with, so what can I do to protect myself?
Title: Re: Falsely Accused
Post by: VixyNyan on September 09, 2009, 04:59:24 PM
I think it could be anyone in your neighborhood. Does everyone in your neighborhood share the same internet provider? And do you all have dynamic IP addresses? The first few numbers are always the same in your neighborhood area, but the last number is different for every device that has internet access (PC, laptop, Wii, PSP, and so on). And if it's dynamic addresses, it changes the number every now and then. o.o
Title: Re: Falsely Accused
Post by: Flame on September 09, 2009, 05:02:19 PM
Legal action? :P
Title: Re: Falsely Accused
Post by: Psycho Yuffie on September 09, 2009, 05:13:21 PM
I think it could be anyone in your neighborhood. Does everyone in your neighborhood share the same internet provider? And do you all have dynamic IP addresses? The first few numbers are always the same in your neighborhood area, but the last number is different for every device that has internet access (PC, laptop, Wii, PSP, and so on). And if it's dynamic addresses, it changes the number every now and then. o.o
I think the last numbers in my IP do change every now and then. Plus, the guy said, "There's only one IP that exists in the world that matches your IP." Which everyone here should know isn't true. Like I said earlier, someone could unknowingly used my IP to mask theirs to download things. The chances of that are really low, but it could have happened. They could have just used a random United States IP and it happened to be mine. Like I said, one of my friends does this all the time.
Title: Re: Falsely Accused
Post by: Flame on September 09, 2009, 05:24:30 PM
If someone has a laptop, they could have latched onto your Ip from outside.
Title: Re: Falsely Accused
Post by: Psycho Yuffie on September 09, 2009, 05:28:26 PM
If someone has a laptop, they could have latched onto your Ip from outside.
I don't think my connection is broadcasted wirelessly. Not only that, but I live out in the country. Most people out here don't even know how to use a computer, let alone own one.
Title: Re: Falsely Accused
Post by: RMX on September 09, 2009, 11:47:51 PM
My bet is that it was some random scare
Title: Re: Falsely Accused
Post by: Afro-Shroom on September 10, 2009, 12:05:21 AM
There's only one logical way to settle this. 

What we need to do is see if Nodo weighs the same as a duck.  If she does, then that explains everything.

Heh, Shall we also cross the Bridge of Death by answering these questions three?  8D
Title: Re: Falsely Accused
Post by: Align on September 10, 2009, 11:32:52 PM
Just don't give them your accountname and password when you call them back...
Title: Re: Falsely Accused
Post by: Girla PurpleHeart on September 13, 2009, 08:37:17 AM
It's probably some retarded trying to used your IP address, like other people said. The only way to prevent this is to get NETGEAR. It protects you from these people getting into your current IP. (I'm not sure about NETGEAR, but that's a good guess to protect your home and family).