did anyone actually read the doom comic?XD Why haven't I read this yet?
(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/doom/images/0/0d/Doomcomic.png)
i cant even begin to point out all the things wrong with it but it is the funniest [parasitic bomb] ever
The man's in my personal pantheon, along with Weird Al and the Magical Platypus. And how could I forget Superman: Secret Origin? My pal Gauntlet doesn't care for the post-Infinite Crisis Superman mythos, but they finally set it right in my opinion.
Heh, as of now, this is the best telling of his origin to date.
lol. Havent gotten there yet, but I ive seen that. and yeah. its pretty funny.
Posted on: November 28, 2009, 05:11:57 AM
I just read the end of the Sinestro corps war.
[spoiler]While it was cool, I couldnt help but feel extremely sorry for Cyborg Superman at the end when the Manhunters find his remains.[/spoiler]
Green Lantern: Rebirth was easily one of the best comics I've read in a long time. The Absolute Edition of it comes out next year, and I really want it, even though I already own all the issues. We'll see what extra stuff comes with it.
Also, as for favorite scenes in all of GL, from Rebirth to Blackest Night...
[spoiler](http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/2859/sinbat.jpg)
It was when the Sinestro Corps was first forming. I found it so awesome that, in ALL of Sector 2814, the first person the Yellow Ring of Fear went to was the goddamn Batman.
"BRUCE WAYNE OF EARTH. YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO INSTILL GREAT FEAR. WELCOME TO THE SINESTRO CORPS."[/spoiler]
As awesome as that is, what my favourite scene so far is...
[spoiler]That tease of the Scarecrow almost getting a ring. I mean, c'mon! The Scarecrow! That pissed me off that he didn't get the ring. Geoff Johns better rectify that.
"JONATHON CRANE OF EARTH. YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO INSTILL GREAT FEAR. WELCOME TO THE SINESTRO CORPS."[/spoiler]
This is my favorite comic.
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(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9191/kc17403eng.jpg) (http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9191/kc17403eng.jpg)[/spoiler]
HEY HEY YOU YOU
Guize, so all this talk about BLACKEST NIGHT made me finally decide on reading this crap. Where should I start, and what titles are essential?
kthx
Is anyone here picking up "World of New Krypton"?
Secret Origins aside, I find this the most enjoyable Superman title at the moment. I dig the interstellar intrigue, and closer look at Kryptonian culture.
Oh my God... this will be SO [tornado fang]ing CASH!
[spoiler](http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/7456/siege2legioncps035.jpg)[/spoiler]
Easily one of the most awesome end panels to a comic ever.Hell yeah it is.
Well it hasn't hurt yet, as we should see the Shield hit him in Issue 3 of The Siege.Well, yeah.
[spoiler]OH, I KNOW.
I thought that was [tornado fang]ing bad-ass. I'm also happy because the series after this, Brightest Day, comes with a White Ring.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]I'm actually not surprised that there's a White Lantern. Seemed obvious. What surprised me was the fact that Sinestro became the White Lantern.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]Hold up there. Sinestro? White Lanturn!? D:[/spoiler]
Oh wow!
[spoiler]So now we need a white lantern too?[/spoiler]
[spoiler]At least I saw that coming, so it takes a certain x of rings to become a White Lantern. Kinda like how in Sonic the Comic it takes seven emeralds to become Super Sonic.[/spoiler]
Uhahahahahahahahahahahaha!
The latest issue of Siege is... well, very interesting.
Apparently:
[spoiler]Norman looks like Goblin under the helmet, everyone sees that on TV. Asgard is completely destroyed by Sentry... and then Norman goes batshit and starts talking about how he wanted to protect them from HIM. Sentry apparently unleashes his full power or some [parasitic bomb], and it doesn't look too good.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]TOLDJA![/spoiler]
tell me, whos ever read THIS little ditty?
(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/9448/rvt1.jpg)
Anywho, Blackest Night. The ending certainly posed some questions about a certain segment of the Corps...
I have two longboxes, and once I get to reorganizing it again and pushing another section to the second box, I'll prolly need a third. I don't get the super-longboxes, just the fits-nicely-on-a-shelf longboxes.
I'm waiting for Siege 4... yes, I'm serious.We all are. Can't wait to see prissy blonde junkie get his ASS KICKED.
On my way to the Comic store right after school!Lucky bastard. I gotta wait from a week to a month until I can get my comic fix. Meanwhile, I'll wait for the scans.
SIEGE #4: Well, that was pretty dissapointing. I thought I was gonna see a good ol' team-up, from what I expected. Not much.
Yeah, I gotta say that Siege #4 was kind of a let down.The Flash was awesome. I never dissapoint, I know I'm way too awesome for my own good. Count six seconds of your clock. I'll be building a huge metropolis on Sahara Desert. I'll call it the Goshdarn Flashopolis.
Meanwhile, I'm still loving The Flash, it was nice to see the Birds of Prey back together, and I'm enjoying The Return of Bruce Wayne. Also Generation Lost was pretty awesome.
It helps that Morrison is crazy. XDGood crazy. He makes wonderful, wonderful things. I have post-its on every single page of my Final Crisis book, every single frame checked infinite times for tiny details that may lead to this or that. It's Morrison, and I love it.
Oh I'm a huge Morrison fan. His run on JLA was one of, if not, the best JLA ever.It was.Reading that first Infinite Mass Punch was... magical.
I think when Supes & Bats gets back to Earth fully, they need to ditch this team. It's not that I have anything against the characters, but when I think JLA, I think the big 7.It'll come and go. Status Quo is king. Plus J'onn's back. He'll bring the cookies.
Due to apartment hunting, I'm two weeks behind picking up my comics... D:I know how that is. Better pick them up fast, or the price will pile up.
This is sad news. (http://kotaku.com/5548965/no-more-joker-for-luke-skywalker)Oh please. He said the same thing about the first game. He'll be back. He's like Kojima and Metal Gear.
Oh please. He said the same thing about the first game. He'll be back. He's like Kojima and Metal Gear.
Except Konami just doesn't want him to stop, it makes them too much money and money speaks a language everyone understands.Who says DC wants Mark Hamill to stop with Joker? And who says they aren't willing to shower him with cash?
I'm still sometimes raging about this, especially when I see the new "stunts" Loeb pulls off.
Am I alone?
That discussion in DCAU thread, about Countdown being horribly bad, has reunited me with my memories of...
Well... I once went to ask /co/, about what Doctor Doom story should I read.
Someone mentioned Ultimates 3... and since I remember reading Ultimate X-men once upon a time(and lovin' it) I decided to give it a shot.
Oh boy, what a wild ride that was.
I was [tornado fang]ing facepalming through the whole volume, and let me tell you something... it lead to one of the worst things ever created.
ULTI-[tornado fang]ing-MATUM!
They killed off most of the Ultimate X-men and, and... Jesus.
LOOOEEEEEBBBBBBBB!!!
I'm still sometimes raging about this, especially when I see the new "stunts" Loeb pulls off.
Am I alone?
I know that death of someone you love(even more so your own son) is/can be/probably is devastating. It might affect you in many ways.Ultimates 3 is by Joe Madureira. If your'e a 90's fan, or a Battle Chasers fan, just pretend the talk bubbles don't exist and look at the pretty art.
Which does not change the fact, that he should be, at least for the most part, over it now. Yet, he keeps making crap.
Why?
Because he's a hack? Probably.
Everyone praises his old DC stuff... maybe he's just not able to accomplish anything on the Marvel side?
Possibly.
Why does Marvel even let him write their big stuffs?
WAKARIMASEN LOL
At least Ultimates 3 had pretty pictures. : >
Battle Chasers, eh? I gotta check it out then. : PDon't. If you like it, it's unfinished, and he doesn't seem like he will be finishing it soon.
What was the revelation? I didn't even bother with Red Hulk.
I liked how his B.T. got hotter the angrier he got....and a blue one.
But I really just skimmed. I saw a red hulk on the cover of a book at borders, so I skimmed through.
it was meh. but it was rulk that caught my eyes. I was like, "wait- I know there's a green, and gray one- theres a RED one now?"
Jeph Loeb. Now there's a tale to tell. Gather around, ye kiddies.
You see, Jeph Loeb used to be good. Heck, he used to be great. He's called "superstar writer Jeph Loeb" exactly for the good stories he wrote back then. Batman: The Long Halloween. Batman: Dark Victory. Superman For All Seasons. His colaborations with Tim Sale was really well done, and they brought a spirit to the DC world which would mold certain Batman mysteries for years AND YEARS to come. Hush was also a great story, no matter how many naysayers might call it nowadays. Without editor interference, it would have been great, and it would have brought back Jason Todd in a much better way. Problem is, Jeph started to get kinda stale. His first arc on Superman/Batman kinda showed us that his stuff wasn't really getting better with time. And then, something happened. His son died.
Now, I got a small theory of mine. All genius comic book writers basically go batshit insane one day. Frank Miller had 9/11 as a catalyst. Jeph Loeb had his son's death. Garth Ennis... [parasitic bomb], I dunno what happened to him, but there's gotta be some explanation from how he went from making the very best arcs of John Constantine, to writing snuff [parasitic bomb] in The Boys.
When the Ultimate books started selling better than the 616 main universe, the editors got a bit upset. So they sent the Ultimate people to 616, and made Loeb do the Ultimates 3 series. Which, after the awesome which was Ultimates 1 and 2, was complete ASS. And Ultimatum might as well be the very worst even in comic book history. It's basically Jeph Loeb [tornado fang]ing everything over. EVERYTHING. Murders, people acting out of character, MORE murders...
So, yeah. Poor Jeph Loeb. Pity him, people. For he was once a great writer.
And that's the tragic thing too. I love his older stuff, like the ones you just mentioned. Hell, Absolute Hush was the first Absolute I bought (Goddamn the Absolutes are sooooooooo beautiful).I love Absolutes, but I don't see the need when it's smaller arcs, like Hush or Green Lantern Rebirth. I can understand the need for Absolute Watchmen, or Absolute Sandman, but why make such a huge book for something slimmer than my tongue?
I love Absolutes, but I don't see the need when it's smaller arcs, like Hush or Green Lantern Rebirth. I can understand the need for Absolute Watchmen, or Absolute Sandman, but why make such a huge book for something slimmer than my tongue?
Cause it looks beautiful on display.But it takes up shelfspace when you could store about 5 regular comic arcs in there. =P
Whos ever read Nightwatch?That's 90's XXX-TREEEEEM, right? It all looks the same. =P
(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/9438/nightwatch1.jpg)
Almost like Night Thrasher. Of course, I liked the New Warriors.I remember the New Warriors. I used to love Speedball in the 90's. Of course, then he went SPIKESSPIKESSPIKES.
I remember the New Warriors. I used to love Speedball in the 90's. Of course, then he went SPIKESSPIKESSPIKES.
...at least Ellis wrote him well then. =P
Yeah I wasn't happy with what they did to Speedball.He's back as a mix of both personalities, as I can see. Does that mean Squirrel Girl will be a fangirl over him again? I hope so. Kinda miss her.
.......is that him? Why is he the Red Skull? Wouldn't.......Cap be REALLY pissed at him for this?No no no, Mettle is kind of a Colossus that can't turn his metal self off. But yes, the first issue of Avengers Academy does reveal that the whole kids' team that has been put there is there because they are the ones with the biggest risk of becoming the "next Red Skull or Magneto". So in a way, yeah.
No no no, Mettle is kind of a Colossus that can't turn his metal self off. But yes, the first issue of Avengers Academy does reveal that the whole kids' team that has been put there is there because they are the ones with the biggest risk of becoming the "next Red Skull or Magneto". So in a way, yeah.
Similar to how the Titans became [tornado fang]'d up in the future. Man, I miss Geoff writing that comic.....I honestly think a TON of team comics should be cancelled, and they should just have more teams and artists making a solid structure for the main comics. Tons of stuff gets shared artists, like Return of Bruce Wayne or the Blackest Night saga, which pretty much happened GL-BN-GL-BN-GL-BN if you wanted to make any sense of the story. Only... instead of doing the bullshit Amazing Spider-Man has going for its current structure, they should have one continuous story, so you can expect something good every week. Morrison and Johns have already shown they can write tons of stuff at a time.
Well, I have no problem with JSA being canceled, as it's completely gone down without Johns behind the helm. JLA needs to be given to Johns, or handed back to Morrison again. I like the current Teen Titans team, but I just don't like the writing. I like the idea of the generational teams though, like Teen Titans, JLA, and JSA.Morrison's handling quite a few projects as it is, and so is Johns. JSA... they... as much as I LOVE the JSA, I think Flash, Wildcat and Green Lantern kinda need to go and retire for good, maybe a house in the countryside or some crap, and dying respectfully in bed with their families around them, like worthy men. I love them, I love them being awesome veterans and stuff, but I think that, immortality timeloop or not, they're way too old for this [parasitic bomb]. They've become kind of irrelevant, and I never want that for them.
Honestly, I pretty much agree with you there, plus they already have worthy predecessors in Flash, Jade, and Wildcat.I think everyone has worthy predecessors, in a way. They should move on once their time is up.
But then you look at them bringing back Ollie, Hal, and Barry. They had worthy predecessors, but here they are! XDI never followed Ollie much, but as for Hal and Barry, there are suitable explanations. For Hal, honestly, as much as Kyle has been a great character in titles such as Morrison's JLA and some of his own comic, nobody really knew what to do with him. And no Guardians, no Corps, the whole thing with one Green Lantern and alot of bullshit to the side had kinda gotten too damn stupid. Guy Gardner was 90's X-treme personified, John had gone through who knows what and been a Guardian himself... a REBOOT was necessary. And not just a reboot, but something that fixed one of the stupidest decisions ever made at DC. Turning Hal Jordan into an all-powerful time and reality-changing overlord. So they fixed it, and current GL is pretty damn good.
Plus, with how many times "Saint" Barry Allen was mentioned throughout Wally's run-- I felt like DC cheated me out of something.Barry Allen was cool, but he wasn't AWESOME. He was just the dude who made The Flash's current image and standard. But the guy who did all the crazy [parasitic bomb] like outrunning the universe, life itself, and him, was Wally. Heck, Wally's pretty much the one single hero I know who was TURNED KICKASS by the 90's. And trust me... the 90's were hell for comics. Not alot good came out of them.
I never followed Ollie much, but as for Hal and Barry, there are suitable explanations.
LoL, you only have to give my favorite Grant Morrison response when it comes to bringing back characters.Exactly. And when it comes to good writers, more often than not, bringing them back is a good thing. Silver Age characters being brought back gives a chance to expand upon their personalities and characterization, something they had very little of in the past.
"They're comic book character. We can pretty much do whatever the hell we want with them!"
XD
Absolute All-Star Superman comes out in October.Comic book gold. But I'll keep my issues plus softcovers. This is one of those comic books I'll look back to and smile at the original issues.
I own every issue of the comic, and I'm still buying this.
Ultimates Vol. 1 & 2 TPs
BUY THIS RIGHT NOW. RIGHT [tornado fang]ing NOW!I've been considering that too. Since you recommend this with such...umm enthusiasm... I guess I should.
Yeah, buy the first one, then when you can buy the second one. They are among the best comics I've ever read....or Ultimatum.
However, under NO circumstances should you EVER, repeat EVER get Ultimates 3.
Also, looks like Captain Boomerang can now make boomerangs out of nothing. He kept a black lantern power, it seems.
Yes. After Ultimates 1 & 2, you can pretty much stop there.We still haven't seen Professor Zoom's stuff or Max Lord's black lantern powers. I hope they don't feature alot. And I hope it ties into Max somehow going back to who he used to be. ;_;
Looks like they've all kept some of their Black Lantern-ness thus far.
And I hope it ties into Max somehow going back to who he used to be. ;_;
I'm pretty sure that shipped has sailed!You sure? Have you read the latest Booster Gold?
Guys, I know that I shouldn't buy Ultimates 3... since I've read that [parasitic bomb], and voiced my opinion on it.
Ehhh.
You sure? Have you read the latest Booster Gold?
Just making sure, buddy! XDBooster goes to the past in order to get some evidence that Max exists. There, he meets the old, GOOD Max, and the classic JLI, with all the bells and whistles. And when he's there, he REASSURES himself: "This guy here is NOT the monster I've got back in my time. He just isn't. I'm sure now."
I have not. Is there a chance?
Hmmmmmmmm, the plot thickens! XD...we shall see tomorrow, in Generation Lost.
(http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/06/newwwcostume.jpg)Well... I don't hate it. I've never been a big fan of Wonder Woman, so I never saw her costume as something amazingly iconic, unlike Superman's costume. They're probably gonna try to get rid of the supernatural origins and go with something more realistic. Not a big fan of JMS myself, so I can't say how well that'll work out. But honestly, the 2009 animated movie already had the best Wonder Woman origin I've seen. Why not use that? Why does DC have to constantly be changing character's origins? We didn't need Superman: Secret Origin. Birthright was already the best damn origin story we've had. And as much as GL: Secret Origin was good, we've had an origin story for him a few decades ago, which was also pretty good, at least the way I remember it. Well, the new costume isn't iconic, or superhero-like, but at least I have to give DC SOME props for something. They're finally covering up their women in some extent. I just wish they didn't cover up who's probably the one DC woman who needs it the least.
So tomorrow (today being that it's after midnight), Wonder Woman gets a new costume, and a new JMS direction. Honestly, I'm not a big fan of the new costume. I mean, I don't mind the look of it per-se, but if they were going to change Diana's outfit, I'd have preferred something more Amazon-ish looking, with Armor. Something that Hephaestus would make.
(http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/06/newwwcostume.jpg)
So tomorrow (today being that it's after midnight), Wonder Woman gets a new costume, and a new JMS direction. Honestly, I'm not a big fan of the new costume. I mean, I don't mind the look of it per-se, but if they were going to change Diana's outfit, I'd have preferred something more Amazon-ish looking, with Armor. Something that Hephaestus would make.
Well... I don't hate it. I've never been a big fan of Wonder Woman, so I never saw her costume as something amazingly iconic, unlike Superman's costume. They're probably gonna try to get rid of the supernatural origins and go with something more realistic. Not a big fan of JMS myself, so I can't say how well that'll work out. But honestly, the 2009 animated movie already had the best Wonder Woman origin I've seen. Why not use that? Why does DC have to constantly be changing character's origins? We didn't need Superman: Secret Origin. Birthright was already the best damn origin story we've had. And as much as GL: Secret Origin was good, we've had an origin story for him a few decades ago, which was also pretty good, at least the way I remember it. Well, the new costume isn't iconic, or superhero-like, but at least I have to give DC SOME props for something. They're finally covering up their women in some extent. I just wish they didn't cover up who's probably the one DC woman who needs it the least.
Personally, I'm more entertained by how there's an army of fanboys flipping their [parasitic bomb] over the new costume and direction. Y'know, I wonder HOW many of them bought Wonder Woman when Gail Simone wrote it.
Well this is why I don't go onto comic blogs and chat. Comic fanboys are among the most unreasonable nerds in existence. However, seeing what JMS did with Spidey.....I don't blame them entirely....
As for JMS' run on Amazing Spider-Man, which storyline do you speak of? The Spider-Totem, Sins Past, One More Day, or all of the above? Joey Q is more responsible for the latter two if memory serves
Well I blame Quesada more for Sins Past & One More Day, but the Spider-Totem thing was awful.You know... the other day, I went back and read some classic Spidey. And I realised... do they EVER let his character evolve? EVER?
You know... the other day, I went back and read some classic Spidey. And I realised... do they EVER let his character evolve? EVER?
Well I thought they did with the fact that he was married to MJ. To me, it was a nice tale of a nerd who always got picked on, but ultimately wound up with the hot chick wife.I like the fact that they're evolving her at all. But if they're changing the costume, why glorify her old costume so much? It's kind of strange.
Also, I read the #600 of Wonder Woman, and it wasn't all that bad. I'm kinda curious about the change, as it looks like the Greek Gods are [tornado fang]ing with her life somewhat. It's not going to make me start buying WW, but still, I'm curious. What I did like was all the splash pages of WW art. LoL, of course it only made me like her classic costume more.
I like the fact that they're evolving her at all. But if they're changing the costume, why glorify her old costume so much? It's kind of strange.
...all in all, Superman and Wonder Woman specials were kinda dull compared to the almighty awesomeness Batman #700 brought. =P
...I'm really looking forward to the Flash vs Captain Boomerang fight, though. Digger's return seems rad.
...and SURPRISE SURPRISE, Beechen's Batman Beyond doesn't suck! Yet at least. Although I think they could have picked a better villain to Beyondize. Seeing as Tommy Elliot's vendetta lies against Bruce and not Terry.
And GL was fun, but aside from Lobo funtimes, it didn't evolve at all. Why do I get the feeling that the GL book is the one who will tell the least amount of relevant facts in Brightest Day?
Also, I read the #600 of Wonder Woman, and it wasn't all that bad. I'm kinda curious about the change, as it looks like the Greek Gods are [tornado fang]ing with her life somewhat. It's not going to make me start buying WW, but still, I'm curious. What I did like was all the splash pages of WW art. LoL, of course it only made me like her classic costume more.
Yeah, I like Digger's return.I love Lobo, but he's gone away as fast as he's come back. I'm not saying DC should milk their one funny canon character like Marvel does with Deadpool, but they could have kept him around in the plot, ala 52.
Batman Beyond was pretty good. The banter between Bruce & Terry was still great.
GL was pretty awesome. Gotta love Lobo, plus the origin of Dex! XD
Well he might be back later. You saw what he had at the end of the issue, which would be BAD-ASS if he used! 8DLobo's awesome. But his underuse is exactly what makes him awesome. =P And Red Lantern Lobo would be quite something.
Also, I did not. Maybe next time I'm there I'll check it out.
Lobo's awesome. But his underuse is exactly what makes him awesome. =P And Red Lantern Lobo would be quite something.
Also, I love how Lex is now obsessed with the Lantern Rings.I loved Action Comics this week. I don't usually buy it, but I had to get this Lex arc. I did lose the bet with my friend, though. I bet clone. He bet robot. I never thought Lex would be tacky enough to make robot instead of clone. But it was an awesome reason to get all machinegunny, so I loved it. =P
I loved Action Comics this week. I don't usually buy it, but I had to get this Lex arc. I did lose the bet with my friend, though. I bet clone. He bet robot. I never thought Lex would be tacky enough to make robot instead of clone. But it was an awesome reason to get all machinegunny, so I loved it. =P
I agree. It was pretty awesome!I dunno why, but I'd love a Lex Luthor/Max Lord teamup. It would be so awesome to see.
I dunno why, but I'd love a Lex Luthor/Max Lord teamup. It would be so awesome to see.
DD revival is related to Capcom's new game.
I looked for it... and failed...Just PMed you a link. Anyone who might want it, just ask.
I even tried /rs/...
Just PMed you a link. Anyone who might want it, just ask.GIMME PLZ.
DD revival is related to Capcom's new game.That would mean that I was right..I am never right :P
Just PMed you a link. Anyone who might want it, just ask.Yes please *o*
GIMME PLZ.
Yes please *o*
Thanks...though I can´t read it...Never used a cbr/cbz file before? Get CDisplay. Free program which lets you read comics easily. Either that or unzip/unrar the file, it's a normal compressed file.
Anyone around here reading Batman and Robin? I got so many conspiracy theories about the latest comic...Wait a little longer.
Wait a little longer.Do this:
I'm planning to read the whole run (up until now) soon.
Anyone around here reading Batman and Robin? I got so many conspiracy theories about the latest comic...
Yeah, I read it.Re-read the last issue. Check out what Joker says. The way he says he became this way (Yes, I know the multiple choice past, but bear with me), the way he speaks, and how he acts. And "I used to be a boy wonder too..."
@thread, how many Batmans, Robins and other heroes who share the name of the current ones are there?Ooooh, that's a good question. Lemme get this one, guys. Typing as of now.
As for the other heroes, well...
Green Lantern: Alan Scott, Hal Jordan, Guy Gardner, John Stewart, Kyle Rayner, Jade and a thousand other alien dudes
Flash: Jay Garrick, Barry Allen, Wally West, Bart Allen (last two were Kid Flashes as well)
Atom: Al Pratt, Ray Palmer, Adam Cray, Ryan Choi
Superman: Just four fake dudes in the Reign of the Supermen event, after he died
Green Arrow: Ollie and Conner, few people care =P
Blue Beetle: Dan Garret, Ted Kord, Jaime Reyes
And there's TONS more. From Marvel, too. But these are pretty much the most important. Oh, and pretty much all of them, no matter how they died, they come back sooner or later.
I loved when Conner defeated the Key with the Boxing Glove arrow! 8)
I really love Waid's run on the Legion of Super Heroes.
MarkWaid via Twitter: Annnnd today was the day I stopped reading super-hero comics. One that I won't name finally broke me. Collection stops as of now. No joke.
Damn. I'm curious which comic broke him as well.People think it's something published last week.
Negative thing about Marvel[spoiler](http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/8553/1279493701485.jpg)
In regards to Mark Waid quitting superhero comics, part of me thinks it has to more with the endless slaughterhouse the genre became since "Identity Crisis". Can't say I blame him if that's the case.If by "slaughterhouse" you mean a whole lot of killing, Waid's own arc on Amazing Spider-Man featuring the All-New, All-Different, All-Unlikely to Stick Around Vulture had someone being gutted in a reasonably graphic scene in something that was being pushed as "all ages" ever since Spidey's BND stunt.
[spoiler](http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/8553/1279493701485.jpg)Yeah, too bad that, while Marvel's cosmic stuff is ALWAYS great, their Earth-centered crap is given WAY more attention, and hasn't had the quality of its cosmic counterpart for... I dunno how long.
Needs no subtitle. You all know what it means.[/spoiler]
If by "slaughterhouse" you mean a whole lot of killing, Waid's own arc on Amazing Spider-Man featuring the All-New, All-Different, All-Unlikely to Stick Around Vulture had someone being gutted in a reasonably graphic scene in something that was being pushed as "all ages" ever since Spidey's BND stunt.
Also for what I understand Waid's own creator owned stuff (Irredemable and Incorruptible) have a fair share of it, too. He of course never addressed what "made him stop collecting super hero comics" though he has said he will continue to write them, but then again most people say he just loves to start stuff.
...that Twitter stuff is also old news. Ah well. Anyway, a lot of people have some theories on the whole "can't have super heroes without GRIMDARK GOAR" or whatever filed under 'super hero decadence' which I find a bit interesting for those seeking for some food for thought.
Aside from Marvel Cosmic, and some other run-of-the-mill spandex in the same Universe, The Unwritten and The Walking Dead make me a happy camper. And that's it for comics I guess.
Yeah, too bad that, while Marvel's cosmic stuff is ALWAYS great, their Earth-centered crap is given WAY more attention, and hasn't had the quality of its cosmic counterpart for... I dunno how long.I'm not sure if Marvel Cosmic was ALWAYS this great, but I'll be damned if Annihilation up to Thanos Initiative didn't kick all sorts of ass. They did a number on many characters brushed aside as some sort of jokes like Super Skrull, and brought back in fullswing characters that had enjoyed more time in the limelight like Nova in the past.
Funnily enough, Waid says that he still enjoys a few superhero stories, but can't take the crap of most comics, so he just quits. I say... isn't that the case with MOST comics nowadays? I mean, I'm hard-pressed to find anything I truly like in comics nowadays, and both Marvel and DC have put us through some amazing shitfests along the years. But when we got stuff like Morrison's Batman, Johns' GL/Flash, Giffen's Cosmic... why should we stop reading what WE LIKE? This is like quitting Lost because of Ugly Betty. Just because most stuff is bad, it doesn't mean we should stay away from the stuff that IS GOOD. Or else, the industry itself won't really feel any incentive to give us good stuff in the first place!When Waid made this statement, the things most hot off the press were Straczynski's announcement of his Superman stuff but what was REALLY 'hot' was Wonder Woman's "reboot" / new suit. JMS' one staple is messing with a character's origin after all.
As to what drove him off, I'm hard pressed to find any kind of "slautherhouse mentality" nowadays. Sure, heroes die and come back at the drop of a hat, but honestly, the only one who died last week was Bullseye. And the guy was asking for it all this time, come ooooon.Things were a little darker on Spider-Man's side on the "Grim Hunt" storyline (where Waid is one of the collective writers), what with Mattie Franklin (Byrne's Spider-Woman) being sacrificed and then fed to a werelion just to stay on the surface (the body count overall comprised 4 characters).
(Engraçado, primeira vez que vejo um gajo online com o mesmo nome que eu. XD)(É normal considerar isso engraçado; é a resposta natural para um nome tão atraente. 8B Mas creio eu que não sou da mesma nacionalidade: aqui temos dublagens, e não dobragens. 8D)
I'm not sure if Marvel Cosmic was ALWAYS this great, but I'll be damned if Annihilation up to Thanos Initiative didn't kick all sorts of ass. They did a number on many characters brushed aside as some sort of jokes like Super Skrull, and brought back in fullswing characters that had enjoyed more time in the limelight like Nova in the past.If everything goes as it should, Marvel Cosmic should proceed as normal. Thinking about it, I really DO hope they never really make any big crossovers with earth happenings. Because to be honest, I kinda think everyone who goes into space in Marvel somehow has AWESOME stories, only to come back to Earth and get shat on. Look at what happened to Hulk. Being shot into space was the best thing that could have happened to him. Heck, Tony Stark should have thrown EVERYONE into space. Then they'd all have awesome cosmic adventures, and people on Earth could live their lives as they wanted. I bet New York would lose most of its population, though. =P
I honestly prefer Abnett and Lanning to Giffen thus far, but it's been one hell of a ride. I'm really hoping that Thanos Initiative sells enough to avoid the whole "hiatus" bullcrap.
When Waid made this statement, the things most hot off the press were Straczynski's announcement of his Superman stuff but what was REALLY 'hot' was Wonder Woman's "reboot" / new suit. JMS' one staple is messing with a character's origin after all.
Many people brought it to Waid asking if it was JMS or whatever but he just changed subject. Honestly to me that's just trying to hog attention, no matter how talented the man may be.
Things were a little darker on Spider-Man's side on the "Grim Hunt" storyline (where Waid is one of the collective writers), what with Mattie Franklin (Byrne's Spider-Woman) being sacrificed and then fed to a werelion just to stay on the surface (the body count overall comprised 4 characters).
(É normal considerar isso engraçado; é a resposta natural para um nome tão atraente. 8B Mas creio eu que não sou da mesma nacionalidade: aqui temos dublagens, e não dobragens. 8D)
MATTIE was killed? I haven't been paying alot of attention to Spider-Man for obvious reasons, but jeez, Mattie Franklin? The Saga of the Five was one of my favorite Spidey tales when I was a kid, and Mattie was pretty much the first Marvel character I remember well from Marvel canon, mostly because she seemed more carefree and happy amongst all of the dark and sad stuff that constantly happened to Peter. Why did they have to kill her? I swear, between this kind of stuff and Quesada's plans to rub OMD in our faces continuously with rebooted marriages and whatnot, makes me want to read Spidey less and less.
I didn't really read Spider-Man before OMD, and BND never really piqued my interest aside from "American Son" which was more "Dark Reign" anyway. All Quesada ever succeeded was further fracturing the fanbase.American Son was the ONLY good story to come out after OMD. Because it followed the classic Good Spidey Story Formula. At one point, he can't take it anymore, he flips out, gets serious, and [parasitic bomb] gets real. It's how Spidey atories get good. When Peter actually mans up and does WHAT HE HAS TO. He hasn't had any of those moments recently, which makes me sad.
American Son was the ONLY good story to come out after OMD. Because it followed the classic Good Spidey Story Formula. At one point, he can't take it anymore, he flips out, gets serious, and [parasitic bomb] gets real. It's how Spidey atories get good. When Peter actually mans up and does WHAT HE HAS TO. He hasn't had any of those moments recently, which makes me sad.I liked American Son myself for all these reasons (when Pete flips out and does his own take on the Mark of Kaine? That was pure badassery), but I think that BND had some very nice stories. Mainly because when they decided to go this new direction, they got writers who were interested in telling stories about Spider-Man, not redefining him or turning his world upside down every three months (SINS PAST! TOTEMIC POWERS! EATING MORLUN'S HEAD!).
MATTIE was killed? I haven't been paying alot of attention to Spider-Man for obvious reasons, but jeez, Mattie Franklin? The Saga of the Five was one of my favorite Spidey tales when I was a kid, and Mattie was pretty much the first Marvel character I remember well from Marvel canon, mostly because she seemed more carefree and happy amongst all of the dark and sad stuff that constantly happened to Peter. Why did they have to kill her? I swear, between this kind of stuff and Quesada's plans to rub OMD in our faces continuously with rebooted marriages and whatnot, makes me want to read Spidey less and less.I don't know why they decided to off speciffically her (though others also died;
(É verdade. Já agora, por curiosidade, comics demoram tanto tempo a chegar aí como cá? Eu sei que a vossa editora distribui algumas da Marvel para cá (embora ainda estejamos no secret invasion), mas eu costumo comprar numa loja de importação que tem as versões americanas, excepto que estas demoram de uma semana a um mês a sair lá. Também é assim convosco?)Aqui as revistas estão atrasadas mais ou menos um ano. Dark Reign começou, mais ou menos, há uns 5 meses. Inclusive "American Son" tá sendo publicada na revista do Aranha no momento com o estúpido nome "Filho da Pátria" - e veja que sigla interessante ela forma. :P
I'm of the opinion that it's probably best to do a little editorial shake-up at Marvel (aside from their cosmic titles) and that includes removing Joe Quesada as Editor-in-Chief, partially because this guy has held the job for ten years and he's as bad a micromanager as Jim Shooter was. From what I heard he ordered the deaths of Jean Grey and Janet Van Dyne because their spouses, Cyclops and Hank Pym, would allegedly be "more interesting" with dead wives and imposed a smoking ban on all characters, including Wolverine because his father died of cancer. Oi.Honestly, there wouldn't be a need for much of a retcon in the current environment. With the Heroic Age reboot, and after Marvel's been through constant events for years and years, they're being very wise to keep their butts out of events and go more traditional heroics recently. But after reading the current titles, I think everything's just more boring. The Avengers continue to be a group of self-righteous assholes who can't keep Earth in check all the time, Reed Richards is still the most unlikeable [Bumpity-Boom!] in history and the X-Men still haven't changed one bit after all these years. Here's what they'd need to do:
If I had creative control over Marvel, I'd be inclined to order a complete "Crisis"-style reboot but this time every title would start from scratch (unlike DC, where the post-CoIE universe was MORE confusing than the pre-CoIE multiverse because of the rampant retconning). But I'd be fairly hands off with the cosmic line.
1- Spidey arc where Mephisto comes back, senses some kinda glitch in the whole OMD retcon process, Peter's aunt dies (AND KILL THAT [sonic slicer] DEAD), and as a result, Peter kicks Mephisto's ass with one of his ballsy moments, his marriage is remade, he moves to a family house in the suburbs, gets a big-pay scientist job and his daughter May is born.
2- The Avengers make worldwide coalitions, so they can weed out problems before they can occur, and become a fully sponsored UN group to protect the whole world instead of just the US. Other Avengers branches are created all over the world (there's certainly enough superheroes to go around, root them out of New York).
3- Reed Richards stops being an self-important egotistical narcisistic [dark hold], shares his knowledge with the world, kills a bunch of deseases, and the F4 title focuses on amazing time/dimensional/cosmic/space adventures in a sci-fi style.
4- Deadpool gets ONE TITLE. ONE. TITLE.
5- Wolverine gets to be one ONE TEAM. ONE. TEAM. (for that matter, Origins ends and he gets his regular title back)
6- The X-Men start again being about a school for gifted children, and a mutant team of heroes. And as the mutant team members get older, they retire, get out of the group and give way for a new team member from the school.
Urgh. Hate the fact that Peter has to ALWAYS be a teenager in the eyes of Marvel.Quesada just 'inherited the dream' if you will. The much maligned Clone Saga in the nineties? An elaborate ploy to have a single Spider-Man.
5- Wolverine gets to be one ONE TEAM. ONE. TEAM. (for that matter, Origins ends and he gets his regular title back)Profitability warrants omnipresence (if your name is Deadpool, you don't have to be exactly too profitable either). Wolverine already has his ongoing back, it's called "Weapon X" and it's solid stuff. Aaron (writer) simply tells good stories about the kanuckhead and keeps acknowledgments (if ever some) of the assfuckery named "Origins" to be a bare minimum. They'll be renaming the title to simply "Wolverine" in the upcoming months no less.
6. I'd love for them to undo the whole thing of House of M.Halfway in proccess, current X-Men arc ended with 5 new mutants 'triggered' around the world. "LOL MUTANTS CAN ONLY BE A MINORITY IF THEIR IN HUNDREDS DERP HERP LOLZ" still seems to be in swing though.
Halfway in proccess, current X-Men arc ended with 5 new mutants 'triggered' around the world. "LOL MUTANTS CAN ONLY BE A MINORITY IF THEIR IN HUNDREDS DERP HERP LOLZ" still seems to be in swing though.
Also, just read Spidey: A Moment in Time.
It's basically Quesada cutting up parts of the original wedding comic, and inserting his own "PETER GOT COLD FEET 'CAUSE HE'S A SINGLE MAAAN AND CAN NEVER COMMIT TO ANYONE AND THAT IS PROVEN BECAUSE HE'S SPIDER MAAN" twisted version of the story while a drunk Mary Jane narrates and keeps saying "Let's be friends let's be friends" in the background.
One of the biggest cases of RUBBING IT ON OUR FACES that I ever saw.
Is this a recent trade?
Actually, it's current if I'm not mistaken.
Also, just read Spidey: A Moment in Time.I think they've picked the best title possible for the story, though: One Moment In Time. Indeed, the story never seems to end.
It's basically Quesada cutting up parts of the original wedding comic, and inserting his own "PETER GOT COLD FEET 'CAUSE HE'S A SINGLE MAAAN AND CAN NEVER COMMIT TO ANYONE AND THAT IS PROVEN BECAUSE HE'S SPIDER MAAN" twisted version of the story while a drunk Mary Jane narrates and keeps saying "Let's be friends let's be friends" in the background.
One of the biggest cases of RUBBING IT ON OUR FACES that I ever saw.
Is this a recent trade?Came out yesterday. It's Quesada's sequel to One More Day.
I had my chance to punch Quesada in the face last Comic Con.
check it.whats that series called?
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz297/Mischief_Loki/CHECKIT.jpg)
This? It's RUBBING IT IN. And revelling in the awful status.
Lemme rage a bit more here:
Aparently, what changed in the timeline, was that this guy who Spidey arrested, was let out of a police car BY A BIRD WHO LANDED ON A SWITCH, and later threw a brick at Spidey's head, which knocked him out for the day and made him miss his own wedding.
...also, Joe adds in a ton of insecurity and Peter constantly ranting to himself how this is a mistake. [tornado fang] you Joe.
Honestly, I'm not surprised. Also, my friend showed me the panel with MJ & Mephisto and it's also just a kick to the face from Quesada again. THIS is precisely why, after OMD, I would never buy a Spider-Man comic again. Because Quesada literally is saying [tornado fang] You to all Spidey fans out there.So it's a-okay to pirate?
So it's a-okay to pirate?I pirate pretty much every single comic I read. And if I enjoy it ALOT, and consider it something awesome, I buy it on trades and later on paperback to fit on the shelf. If I think it's good and integral to this or that storyline, I wait for the paperback edition to come out and get it.
Green Lantern: Rise of the Manhunters (http://kotaku.com/5594660/green-lanterns-light-shines-in-rise-of-the-manhunters)Great on NPH's Spidey. And when it comes to WB Interactive Studios games, what's their track record with games? Track record of a company says EVERYTHING about how something turns out. Let's see...
Ahem......
PLEASE BE GOOD!
PLEASE BE GOOD!
PLEASE BE GOOD!
PLEASE BE GOOD!
PLEASE BE GOOD!
PLEASE BE GOOD!
PLEASE BE GOOD!
PLEASE BE GOOD!
Spider-Man Shattered Dimensions Voice Actors (http://kotaku.com/5594610/neil-patrick-harris-one-of-the-many-voices-of-spider+man-in-new-game)
All I can say is WOW! That's fan-[tornado fang]ing-tastic, and I mean that literally. Getting all the previous voice actors of Spidey together for one game? This might have sold me! (I'll probably still borrow Lou's and try it out first though!)
Great on NPH's Spidey. And when it comes to WB Interactive Studios games, what's their track record with games? Track record of a company says EVERYTHING about how something turns out. Let's see...
http://www.doublehelixgames.com/games/
...oh God. We're [tornado fang]'d.
I know this made old news and not surprising but what do you think of this:I kinda agree with the guy on one thing. Watchmen doesn't need a sequel. It's probably the one comic book that needs a sequel THE LEAST. It was made during the Cold War, with a Cold War message. It's meant to stay in that time, and still be relevant today. A sequel would [tornado fang] it up. That, and Alan Moore just plain HATES DC.
http://www.watchmencomicmovie.com/072110-watchmen-rights-alan-moore.php (http://www.watchmencomicmovie.com/072110-watchmen-rights-alan-moore.php)
MAYBE THERE'S STILL HOPE?It's a movie property. No matter how good it is, it'll still be Tron outfit Hal Jordan, with Deadpool's face. I'll be waiting for an actual good game adaptation of GL, seeing as his comic is rising in popularity. Maybe we'll get it someday.
*looks for Blue Ring* Maybe....
I kinda agree with the guy on one thing. Watchmen doesn't need a sequel. It's probably the one comic book that needs a sequel THE LEAST. It was made during the Cold War, with a Cold War message. It's meant to stay in that time, and still be relevant today. A sequel would [tornado fang] it up. That, and Alan Moore just plain HATES DC.
Also, what would he do with the Watchmen rights? Prevent them from making sequels? OH RIGHT, he would have had to make a sequel to obtain them in the first place. Alan doesn't even like Watchmen anymore, due to the importance DC placed upon it, and the way it's been popularized as a movie. So let the cranky old man in the woods be alone with his Glycon worship.
It's a movie property. No matter how good it is, it'll still be Tron outfit Hal Jordan, with Deadpool's face. I'll be waiting for an actual good game adaptation of GL, seeing as his comic is rising in popularity. Maybe we'll get it someday.
You know how a GL game would work? If they managed to limit the gameplay on PURPOSE. Imagine a KOTOR-like RPG, with the Corps as party members, being able to use different constructs as skills and willpower upgrades (or maybe even equippable rings of different colors) with energy charge being chosen in stats menus. You choose to have this much ring energy to charge your shields, this much to fight, this much to fly... Imagine facing Manhunters as main enemies, being able to fly as a method of transportation and dislocation without having it be an action-based gameplay. An action-based GL wouldn't work at all, unless they had him just shooting little beams out of his ring. If he was grounded, maybe they could work in some combos with several different kinds of constructs, but flying, PLUS different constructs? No. Although to be honest, it'd be perfect to have those end-of-bossfight QTE sequences where you press a few buttons and make some awesome huge constructs appear to finish off the enemies.
A truly good Green Lantern game would be something VERY tough to make. Heck, if it had to be action, without limiting the gameplay, I daresay it'd be tougher to make than a Superman game. Which is already something VERY hard to make due to the versatibility of the hero, in my opinion.
I agree that a KOTOR style game would probably work the best. Plus if you have the different Earth Lanterns, they could each have different constructs each, suited to each one's style.It doesn't have to be anything you want with the ring. They just need a few constructs for each. Heck, Hal Jordan solves most of his problems with a big green boxing glove, or a standard beam of light. The problem would be to conciliate those powers, with the flying. Superman Returns came close to making a good Superman game. The gameplay was decent. Not good, but very decent, and their best effort yet. But the level design and game structure was screwed up. But Green Lantern doesn't just use fists and beams, he's supposed to use a whole lot of abilities, WHILE flying. And while it would DEFINETLY work if it'd use something dreamy like a Zone of the Enders gameplay to combine flying/combat along with some space sequences ala Beyond Good & Evil... we already know that game devs aren't gonna have the trouble to combine two original and very well-designed gaming standards that were designed by the best of the best, specially when they just got a licensed property on their hands.
But yeah, that's the real problem with a Green Lantern game. The only limit on the ring would be one's imagination. LoL, unless they do it Scribblenauts style!
It doesn't have to be anything you want with the ring. They just need a few constructs for each.
Question for Quesada: One More Day, Brand New Day, big controversy -- at what point in time did you realize it did, or didn't, pay off? Quesada: "Spider-Man is so strong, creatively, we knew -- payoff or not -- the idea of Spider-Man being single again was the most important goal, and we managed to do that. When it started to pay off is when Brand New Day started to kick into high gear, and people started meeting each other... that's what we wanted. We wanted that canon of people in Peter's life to be enhanced again. Because it had gotten stale, it had gotten limited due to marriage and other trappings of the character."
Look what Joey Q said at panel in San Diego...He's crazy. Pretty much, he wants to keep Peter a teen. Which is, I dunno, WHAT HE'S BEEN PORTRAYED AS ALL OF THESE YEARS.
Comments?
Does this guy even get it, or is he that bat-[parasitic bomb] insane? Dude, putting Peter back to where he was over twenty years ago through an incredibly stupid plot contrivance is about as fresh as twenty year old coleslaw.
He's crazy. Pretty much, he wants to keep Peter a teen. Which is, I dunno, WHAT HE'S BEEN PORTRAYED AS ALL OF THESE YEARS.Wasn't that what the Ultimate universe was for?
God dammit, Quesada.
Because it had gotten stale, it had gotten limited due to marriage and other trappings of the character."
Wasn't that what the Ultimate universe was for?
Pretty much, and Marvel Adventures while it was still around. But Joey Q's too obsessed with a single Spidey he forgot there's an entire generation of fans who grew up with a married Spidey, and that retconning the marriage out would horribly split the fanbase.
It's not even that he split the marriage. I mean, I have a problem with it, but that's me.I want to make a snarky comment.. But I can't find words that fit my disappointment with this man.
The real problem is the way he went about it, as well as the previous stories before, especially Civil War.
The real problem is the way he went about it, as well as the previous stories before, especially Civil War.
I have no argument with that, it would've been easier to accept getting rid of the marriage in a believable way. Even JMS smelled bull-[parasitic bomb] when Joey Q wanted to use "magic" as his excuse, I even wonder if JMS really wrote it of if Quesada did using his name, I wouldn't be surprised.
The problem starts with Civil War. Spider-Man, ABOVE EVERY [tornado fang]ing SUPERHERO IN COMIC HISTORY, knows the danger of what happens when psychopaths find out who you are under the mask. So instead of just simply revealing his identity to the government & SHIELD, which was ALL that was required, he takes off his mask IN FRONT OF THE WORLD. Peter Parker is not a [tornado fang]ing idiot, and he would HAVE to have known that one of the many, many, MANY people he's pissed off with his quips and remarks would come after him or his loved one, which of course they do.It's like Quesada didn't read Spider-Man comics AT ALL before he stuck his [tornado fang]ing nose into them. Asking for the Devil himself to change things? Where the [tornado fang] is that in Spidey's character.. EVER?
Cut to OMD. Instead of Peter learning his lesson and taking responsibility for what he foolishly did, you know what UNCLE BEN TOLD HIM TO DO WITH GREAT POWER, all his problems are magically wished away...BY THE DEVIL!
That's the problem with OMD. It's not only a spit in the face to the fans, but it has absolutely no respect for Spider-Man himself.
...Red Hulk has been confirmed by Quesada and Loeb to join the Avengers.WAT
...MY HEAD IS FULL OFF WHAT THE [tornado fang]
WAT"Redemption for Ross", Loeb and Quesada said. Which is stupid. Isn't he currently a villain in this arc? Even AFTER he did all his "I've sinned soooo many times!" confession?
THE
[tornado fang]
?!
Why would Red Hulk join the Avengers. WHY WOULD THEY WANT HIM ANYWAY?!
...Red Hulk has been confirmed by Quesada and Loeb to join the Avengers.
...MY HEAD IS FULL OFF WHAT THE [tornado fang]
I have no argument with that, it would've been easier to accept getting rid of the marriage in a believable way. Even JMS smelled bull-[parasitic bomb] when Joey Q wanted to use "magic" as his excuse, I even wonder if JMS really wrote it of if Quesada did using his name, I wouldn't be surprised.JMS was going to use magic himself. He was going to use the deal and have Gwen stay alive, thus nullifying the marriage and the whole fucklot of stuff in the proccess. That was his big idea to retcon Sins Past.
Someone who's not big into comics here:Green Hulk is the Hulk everybody knows who keeps alternating between dumb and smart depending on who writes it.
Explain to me the difference between Red and Green Hulk
And why this latest thing is so bad
Someone who's not big into comics here:Green Hulk is Hulk. Red Hulk is the same army general who first called him a monstrosity and wanted to kill him for being so in the first place.
Explain to me the difference between Red and Green Hulk
And why this latest thing is so bad
Red Hulk was a character taken out of nowhere because one of this generation's most prolific authors (sales don't lie!) wanted a character who could beat the [parasitic bomb] out of the entire Marvel Universe and kept his identity a mystery for 20+ issues in which Red Hulk was an ass to basically everybody and beat everybody up in a coup with assorted Marvel villains to take over the US Government. Then it was revealed he's General Thunderbolt Ross, the army-guy who's always chasing Hulk around for as long as he is alive.
Was any of that any good?It wasn't any good. There's a whooole issue just flashbacking Ross' entire life. He says he's so sorry, he's so incredibly sorry, his life is filled with sin, blah blah blah... then culminates the issue toppling the American government.
And did Red She-Hulk come out already?
You know what we need?I bought Japan because it was being the target of a massive conspiracy that shook the balance of the world itself, and it had to be fixed.
Most Excellent Superbat needs to buy Marvel. Surely it's cheaper than Japan.
...but even I can't fix Marvel. >_>But.. But.. Money can fix everything!
But.. But.. Money can fix everything!
Oh well, at least there's DC. If you ignore the whole "Rise of Arsenal" thing....and the Titans [tornado fang]-ups.
...and the Titans [tornado fang]-ups.
It wasn't any good. There's a whooole issue just flashbacking Ross' entire life. He says he's so sorry, he's so incredibly sorry, his life is filled with sin, blah blah blah... then culminates the issue toppling the American government.
And She-Rulk is Betty.
Damn! How could I forget that?
Oh yeah, repressed memories.
It looked pretty god awful.It was pretty God-awful. And yes. Only when Hulk goes cosmic again, will his stories be good. Seriously, some kind of alien force needs to destroy the Earth and get it over with. Then, all would be cool in the universe.
......she isn't STILL She-Rulk, is she? Man, Hulk needs to be shot into space again so his stories can be good.
It's funny and sad that not even my favorite YJers/Titans, Superboy and Kid Flash, couldn't renew my interest in the title. On the bright side, I have high hopes for the upcoming Superboy series because Jeff Lemire's take on the Atom is kicking seven degrees of butt (and I'm looking forward to the Superboy/Kid Flash race). Need I mention the second Flash title?
Good times to be an YJ fan right now, even if the team itself is defunct.
It was pretty God-awful. And yes. Only when Hulk goes cosmic again, will his stories be good. Seriously, some kind of alien force needs to destroy the Earth and get it over with. Then, all would be cool in the universe.
Implying whichever of the big two are unsalvageable, terribly better off than the other one, or whatever(http://a.imageshack.us/img51/51/1279915872116.jpg)
Was any of that any good?Honestly?
And did Red She-Hulk come out already?
......she isn't STILL She-Rulk, is she?Yes, she is, and apparently will be for the foreseeable future.
It's brainless, mindless fun. So-bad-it's-good-fun. This is Loeb you're talking about. Throw logic out of the window. Expect high levels of absurd histrionics to worse (anybody remember Superman beating Darkseid into space ranting about how Supergirl would never eat an APPLE PIE again? Or Ultimate Hank Pym yelling "That makes me... the [chameleon sting]er!!!" when he decapitates Ultimate Ultron?). And Red Hulk hadn't even showed up, himself, in any other Marvel title. The entire thing had that vibe of "nobody is going to ride with whatever is hapenning in this book" all the time. It was really contained to the red Hulk book and Incredible Hulk books and that was it.
OHHHH. Loeb wrote it. That pretty much explains it all right there.It's probably his Bizarro Magnum Opus, next to Ultimatum.
It's probably his Bizarro Magnum Opus, next to Ultimatum.
I wonder how the symbiote survived reentry.With the power... OF EDITORIAL CHANGES!
Just been announced that Carnage is gonna come back.
...as a girl.
http://comics.ign.com/articles/110/1108393p1.html
Fetishists, rejoice!
Meh, never been the biggest Carnage fan. And what's this about Iron Man new liquid nature for his armor?Gotta love how they constantly try to make his armor more real and less real, more real, less real...
Gotta love how they constantly try to make his armor more real and less real, more real, less real...
Maybe he needs to be shot into space...I'd love that. Tony Stark would actually make awesome stuff in Marvel Cosmic. I can see him chilling with Star-Lord, helping out the Guardians of the Galaxy, and helping Nova setup the Corps again.
Just been announced that Carnage is gonna come back.Female Carnage?
...as a girl.
http://comics.ign.com/articles/110/1108393p1.html
Fetishists, rejoice!
Not everything can be improved with boobs. For example, Wolverine and Hulk can, but Spider-Man can't.
You're a fool that underestimated the power of boobsHow shall we punish the nonbeliever?
(http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID35919/images/shehulk.jpg)
Cool
(http://pnmedia.gamespy.com/planetxmen.gamespy.com/images/solicits/200701/x23thetarget-2.jpg)
Cool
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Bendis Fap Material
Any question?
Any question?
What about Spider-Girl? XDs...you mean the recently killed Mattie Franklin, who was one of the few cheered up and enthusiastic characters in the Spider-Man saga, or do you mean May Parker, the future daughter of Peter Parker and Mary Ja... whoops, forgot about that. I mean NONEXISTANT future May Parker.
or do you mean May Parker, the future daughter of Peter Parker and Mary Ja... whoops, forgot about that. I mean NONEXISTANT future May Parker.
Editors are awful writers. Stick to your own job, people!
And Didio wrote Countdown as a way to show he could do something better than the stellar 52 (52 is still one of the best DC Universe-written comics in a VERY long time), and ended up doing an incredibly shitty comic, which [tornado fang]'d up so much story, it had to be almost fully taken out of canon. Hell, I don't currently know how much of Countdown is canon and how much it's not.
I know that the ending isn't.I quit long before the ending.
I quit long before the ending.
As did I.Now I never wanna start.
THIS LOOKS LIKE A JOB FOR SUPERMAN! (http://io9.com/5603755/family-finds-250k-copy-of-action-comics-1-in-home-selling-it-to-prevent-foreclosure)...I feel extremely happy for them, yet think they've been properly gypped when it came to a reasonable price.
Touching.
I have question for you pros and core fans, how did Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns start the Dark Age? I know the Comedian and rorschach are cool but still, I don't know how they contributed to the madness of the nineties Dark Age.
I have question for you pros and core fans, how did Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns start the Dark Age? I know the Comedian and rorschach are cool but still, I don't know how they contributed to the madness of the nineties Dark Age.You know how in the beginning of the movie age, everything was dumb and silly? And then in came Citizen Kane, and actually made a good and complex, long story that made people take movies seriously, as an art? Well, Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns did that for comics, in a way. But like in movies, soon, everyone was a fan of dark broody x-treme violence and loads of crap which teenagers seemed to be quite fond of. Nowadays, stuff's beginning to pick up, since the 00's. Few heroes remained untouched by the sheer x-treme grimdark crappiness of 90's culture. Luckily, stuff's began to pick up since the 00's.
Meanwhile, Geoff Johns should've just entitled today's Brightest Day issue, BRIGHTEST DAY: [parasitic bomb] JUST GOT REAL!
In-[tornado fang]ing-deed.It's basically: "Everyone's got a tiny role to play, intended or unintended, in a huge complicated mess soon. Zoom has time travel shenanigans, so he's scot free."
It's basically: "Everyone's got a tiny role to play, intended or unintended, in a huge complicated mess soon. Zoom has time travel shenanigans, so he's scot free."
Yeah, I was gonna ask about that. I got one of the promo posters as a freebie with my latest comic purchases. Is it worth checking out at all, or should I avoid it at all costs?Nope. Get into some other comic instead. Anything Vertigo, Marvel Cosmic, Brightest Day-related... anything but "event which obviously is gonna either kill Daredevil or change him for a coupla years so in return, we gotta lower a hero to his standards, and that means ruining Nova or some other guy".
What I like about Zoom's part is that he accomplished his mission, so he gets to live, which in turn means that whomever doesn't accomplish there mission is going to die. XDNot necessarily. They're all still dead, remember? Black Lantern powers? As far as we know, each one of them has a limited time to live before turning completely into black lanterns again.
Not necessarily. They're all still dead, remember? Black Lantern powers? As far as we know, each one of them has a limited time to live before turning completely into black lanterns again.
Digger's got the best end of the deal with his useful powers, though.
I don't know if they'll turn into Black Lanterns again as much as they might just outright die. From what it seems like to me, all of them are hovering between life and death, except for Zoom who got to live cause he accomplished his task. Ironically enough, the task I'm most interested in is probably Max Lord's.Heck, aside from the main book, Flash and GL, Justice League: Generation Lost is the only Brighest Day book I'm following. Max is finally being written by his makers, so this should be really good.
Nope. Get into some other comic instead. Anything Vertigo, Marvel Cosmic, Brightest Day-related... anything but "event which obviously is gonna either kill Daredevil or change him for a coupla years so in return, we gotta lower a hero to his standards, and that means ruining Nova or some other guy".
Already following Brightest Day, GL, GLC, Outsiders, Flash, Star Wars: Invasion, and Deadpool, so I'll just keep on going with those. XDTry reading the Annihilation event from Marvel Cosmic. You won't regret it.
Anywho, speaking of Brightest Day... I wonder if Johns will ever reveal Larfleeze's motto. Perhaps what has transpired in a recent issue will lead up to that. Or, we may never know it because it's more fitting that Larfleeze never share it, the greedy lil Muppet.
Heck, aside from the main book, Flash and GL, Justice League: Generation Lost is the only Brighest Day book I'm following. Max is finally being written by his makers, so this should be really good.
I'm following Green Arrow also, just because I've always liked Green Arrow. Although I haven't been a big fan of what they've done to him recently though. I think I'm dropping JLA though. It just doesn't interest me much anymore. Perhaps I'll replace it with JLI, now that they're back and Jamie Reyes is back in a comic again.....other than Teen Titans, which is terrible.JLI has been ruling quite hard in their last few comics. Them, and Booster Gold, are just classic JLI. It's amazing to see them back after so long. ;_;
JLI has been ruling quite hard in their last few comics. Them, and Booster Gold, are just classic JLI. It's amazing to see them back after so long. ;_;
And I actually enjoyed both Green Arrow issues I've read, but I'm not buying them, or following them strictly.
GA needs to use his sword more too, I think!...
...
...he has a sword?
He use too. During the 52 thing, when he became Mayor of Star City, he went back to the island to retrain himself. The guy who taught Deathstroke trained him and told him in his farewell letter,I don't remember reading THAT on 52. But that would be pretty damn cool. Also, thank God he's back to his hood. The hat is indeed insipid.
"Your Robin Hood carried steel. So should you.
And lose that insipid hat!"
I thought him with a sword was pretty awesome.
I don't remember reading THAT on 52. But that would be pretty damn cool. Also, thank God he's back to his hood. The hat is indeed insipid.
Apologies. I should have said during the One Year Later thing after Infinite Crisis. During the GA comic, they showed what happened to all of them during that year, so it wasn't part of 52. However yeah, I loved the fact that he carried a sword, cause it just made perfect sense.Ah, I see now. I pretty much only read Supes', Bats', Flash's and GL's storylines on that one.
Haha, and I agree. I prefer hood over hat as well.
Ah, I see now. I pretty much only read Supes', Bats', Flash's and GL's storylines on that one.
A part of me still wishes he and Black Canary were married.What? They're not married? What happened?
It sucks when they think threy're Quesada....
The only old issue i read of GA was actually the wedding issue. And wasn't it like a clone or shapeshifter at the end playing Ollie?
What? They're not married? What happened?
Yeah, it was. It twas bizarre.That's certainly quite a stupid turn after the great moment they had in Final Crisis.
Essentially GA lost himself somewhere along the line. Then during the Cry for Justice series, he kills Prometheus for what he did to Star City.
That's certainly quite a stupid turn after the great moment they had in Final Crisis.
And can anyone make the connection as easily as I can to how Batman's gonna be the new Orion?Didn't DiDio want Batman to become a god or whatnot?
Didn't DiDio want Batman to become a god or whatnot?No, that's Morrison.
No, that's Morrison.These days, I assume everything that doesn't make sense or is bad or I don't like in comics is either Quesada or DiDio's fault.
It will be picked up again. They just needed to give Ollie a Robin Hood kind of way this time. As soon as he and his Merry Men step out of the forest, they'll be reinstating his marriage into the story.
BTW, anyone got any theories to how Batman's gonna get out of being surrounded by Dollotrons and how Joker's gonna survive Damian's beating? =P
And can anyone make the connection as easily as I can to how Batman's gonna be the new Orion?
These days, I assume everything that doesn't make sense or is bad or I don't like in comics is either Quesada or DiDio's fault.It's not exactly that. See, I'm a Morrison fanboy. But I used to hate the guy, because I just heard about his concepts. Heck, I used to hate DC, but I didn't really give any of its stuff a chance, simply because I found the concepts ridiculous.
Funny, cause I've always loved Morrison, at least his DC work. I never read his X-Men comics.Read them awhile ago. They're as Morrison-like as they can be.
Read them awhile ago. They're as Morrison-like as they can be.
Do read them. You won't even feel like you're reading Marvel. Plus, Frank Quitely art. And awesome multidimensionally colorful storylines like Morrison does best.
...just don't look up who Xorn is or you'll be spoiled. Comics-wise, it's pretty much as known as the "Aerith dies" spoiler or the "Atlas is Fontaine" one.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/1281478430661.jpg)
...what?
...MAKE UP YOUR MIND QUESADA
And speaking of Frank Quitely, while I like his art, his people always look like they have pursed lips. Half-lidded eyes, pursed lips, like they're either smug as hell and needing a slap across the face, or they see something that disgusts them. He seemed to favour that pose and composition for a while, from what I remember. I haven't seen his recent stuff, though. He may have ditched that.He hasn't. But I still loooooooove him. 8D
The best thing about this is that from what I've read, all it explains is the marriage. It doesn't explain why Harry is back, what happen to Peter's "Other" Spider-powers, etc.For a man who mutilated half a comic book instead of making his own and then added crap like "bad guy falling takes out Spidey" or "bird frees villain", I'm surprised you're surprised on such a quality story. =P
For a man who mutilated half a comic book instead of making his own and then added crap like "bad guy falling takes out Spidey" or "bird frees villain", I'm surprised you're surprised on such a quality story. =P
Just got into reading my first WildStorm series, Planetary by Warren Ellis. I'm digging it. It's like X-Files on steroids (and I [tornado fang]ing loved X-Files).
I heard good things about it, are there any trades?There's a 4 volume collection and a 2 volume collection. Also a collection of all 3 one shot crossovers.
Read Super Sonic vs. Hyper Knuckles and the Sonic 3D Blast adaption earlier today. Just as awesome as they were all those years ago.Are they from Archie?
Are they from Archie?Yup, the original Sonic CB series was with Archie. -has every Sonic and Knuckles comic book ever made- :cookie:
Because I think I rad them once upon a time. It was painful.
The only thing I enjoyed from Archie, was the Knuckles series.
To all old-school Archie Sonic fans, if you start reading the titles from 200th onwards, you'll find that the story, art and overall plot and design has SIGNIFICANTLY improved, and it's a great entry for any kind of new fans. They've successfully turned the Sonic comic GOOD.
So, I'm finding myself unsure of where to jump back into DC. Their [parasitic bomb] is too convoluted at times.NONONONONONONONONO.
I'm figuring read Blackest Night then get into Brightest Day. For Batman, maybe start at.. Battle for the Cowl or just jump into the new Batman & Robin? Also, what about Gotham City Sirens?
Pretty much what he said! XDIt frightens me how I'm such a nerd and would type it all hundreds of times for anyone even loosely interested in either story. >_>;;;
Just read issue 3 of the Darkwing Duck series. They've set it up nicely, giving a nice epilogue to the series to link it to this, explaining what happened to make everything how it is in St. Canard. I'm loving this series! ^.^This has come as the biggest surprise of all. The best example I have ever, ever, EVER seen of any comic in the world... Of how to return to something great in STYLE. The art is absolutely beautiful and the whole thing just reads so satisfyingly and in-tune with the old show...
Highly recommended to all of you!
tl,dr: Don't just follow storylines haphazardly. There's a beautiful, rich storyline behind it all, and it's amazing once you know all of the elements. And doesn't take that long to go through it, really.I understand this quite well. Truth be told, I wish I could've been following routinely for years, but being poor and not having the resources has unfortunately left me quite out of touch with my only ties being what ever shows up at the library from time to time. And as I said, with comics these days, accessibility for someone not knowing where to start is very haphazard.
I understand this quite well. Truth be told, I wish I could've been following routinely for years, but being poor and not having the resources has unfortunately left me quite out of touch with my only ties being what ever shows up at the library from time to time. And as I said, with comics these days, accessibility for someone not knowing where to start is very haphazard.Get what you can, download everything else. I-ve been following quite alot of comics, and I do plan on getting all of them when they come out in trade paperbacks, but I take no guilt on reading them first online. I'll send you a PM with a helpful directory of downloadable files of pretty much all required reading in fast download.
You didn't say anything about Gotham City Sirens, though :P
Comics are pretty much written for trade paperback form nowadays, so I don't blame people at all for downloading the individuals issues, then buying them when they finally come out in that form.Most comics are, of course. But I certainly can't imagine reading stuff like All-Star Superman or Batman and Robin all at once the first time around. It'd ruin the mood.
Man though, I can't wait for tomorrow. I hate missing a week of comics (even though I don't think anything important came out for me last week), and plus tomorrow Superman: Secret Origins FINALLY finishes up!
Most comics are, of course. But I certainly can't imagine reading stuff like All-Star Superman or Batman and Robin all at once the first time around. It'd ruin the mood.
And although I'm heavily anteciparing Secret Origins, I still hate it for the fact that it is being made such a short time after Birthright was the PERFECT Superman origin, and the best ever told.
.....LoL, but All Star Batman & Robin hasn't even finished yet! 8DAll-Star Batman and Robin, the Miller monstrocity, has finished, actually. =P Batman and Robin hasn't, but it's been collected in a hardcover already, the first volume. I dunno if I should get it. I LOVE that damn book, but in hardcover?
And very true about Birthright, but I'll be honest, I really [tornado fang]ing love Secret Origins thus far. He combined pretty much every aspect of Supes' origin over the years, even stuff from Smallville I think!
All-Star Batman and Robin, the Miller monstrocity, has finished, actually. =P Batman and Robin hasn't, but it's been collected in a hardcover already, the first volume. I dunno if I should get it. I LOVE that damn book, but in hardcover?
It has? When? LoL, I never recalled seeing the final [tornado fang]ing issue. Well, something else to pick up tomorrow.For awhile now. I never even read it, I just remember someone telling me that it finished. No way am I going near that thing. I prefer to remember Miller SANE.
I have all the issues, so I don't need Batman & Robin in hardcover. Now, Green Lantern: Rebirth & All Star Superman? Those WILL be bought in Absolute form! 8D
Get what you can, download everything else. I-ve been following quite alot of comics, and I do plan on getting all of them when they come out in trade paperbacks, but I take no guilt on reading them first online. I'll send you a PM with a helpful directory of downloadable files of pretty much all required reading in fast download.Awesome, alright.
...and Sirens is Paul Dini doing cheesecake. What more do you need to know?
DISREGARD MARVELMarvel Cosmic is the Cancerverse stuff and the Galactus Engine, right?
READ MARVEL COSMIC
You know how when DC's good, it's really good? Marvel Cosmic is like DC being always good, only Marvel. In space. Just start with the Annihilation arc from the beginning and go from there. It's probably one of the greatest comic book events I have ever read, and it's at least the most epic. It's about a bunch of guys protecting the universe from its biggest threat of all time while the Earth just had unnecessary Civil War squabbles about nothing (and continues to have unnecessary soap operas about primadonna superheroes while everything going on in Marvel Cosmic just gets MORE awesome by the minute.
Anything Greg Pak writes is good too. He was the one who wrote the concluding issue to the Hulks war, and made a GOOD ENDING to the entire Loeb mess, so we're talking about a classy writer. Just start reading the Incredible Hercules storylines, and go through the 4-issue Amadeus Cho: Prince of Power mini, which concludes today.
Marvel Cosmic is the Cancerverse stuff and the Galactus Engine, right?Current arc, yes. But I seriously advise you to read from Annihilation. It's pretty much the starter arc for everything Marvel Cosmic, and where it all began.
Darkseid fell through existance. Made a hole in the universe. Batman made it so he and him had a situation where neither had any kind of preptime. Then he faced a God. In the end, humanity stood face to face with evil itself. And when things looked the bleakest, they looked the darkness in the eye, and said:
"Gotcha."
...now Batman is hurtling through time, remembering only what he is. And setting forth all the events and coincidences that grant the Batman legacy to be true, becoming the true symbol of good versus evil.
Darkseid fell through existance. Made a hole in the universe. Batman made it so he and him had a situation where neither had any kind of preptime. Then he faced a God. In the end, humanity stood face to face with evil itself. And when things looked the bleakest, they looked the darkness in the eye, and said:(http://i36.tinypic.com/2hdv052.jpg)
"Gotcha."
...now Batman is hurtling through time, remembering only what he is. And setting forth all the events and coincidences that grant the Batman legacy to be true, becoming the true symbol of good versus evil.
(http://i36.tinypic.com/2hdv052.jpg)Whole thing's a retell of the RIP/Final Crisis/Return of Bruce Wayne period. But as Morrison isn't the kind of author to dwell on things, he made it so in the original works, what happens, can be subintended and resumed to a few panels for better storytelling. In this, the very moment where Bruce confronts Darkseid is repeated, and we take on the full dramatic effect of the battle of good versus evil. Everything that happens. And everything that will happen is finally fully foreshadowed, not just clues.
Fuckfuckfuckfuck.
I gotta finally read all of this.
This sounds so awesome.
Whole thing's a retell of the RIP/Final Crisis/Return of Bruce Wayne period. But as Morrison isn't the kind of author to dwell on things, he made it so in the original works, what happens, can be subintended and resumed to a few panels for better storytelling. In this, the very moment where Bruce confronts Darkseid is repeated, and we take on the full dramatic effect of the battle of good versus evil. Everything that happens. And everything that will happen is finally fully foreshadowed, not just clues.Okay. That's it.
Okay. That's it.Done.
Can you send me some links to [OBTAIN] everything I need to read?
If you can't then I guess I would have to scourge through /rs/ or something, but I hate doing that.
Thanks.
(http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/13750storystory_full-2747131..jpg)
Let's weep for our horrible fates once more.
Speaking of Crisis, whatever happned to both Mandrakk and Darkseid did they die? Get sent into another dimension? How did Darkseid grow so powerful that he was able to merge universes and the Earths?Mandrakk is defeated. Darkseid is both in Bats', and Hurt. At least implied to be. Hurt is at least the personification of the devil, and of evil itself.
Is Batman even more of a fantasy archetype than Supes?
- The Return of Bruce Wayne (again, it's his own 6-issue miniseries)I'm assuming these are two seperate books? If so, I'm not finding the second.
- The Return (separate series portraying Bruce's actual return and how it influences each of the characters around him
I'm assuming these are two seperate books? If so, I'm not finding the second.The Return hasn't come out yet. The Return of Bruce Wayne is on its 4th issue, currently. Just be patient.
Mandrakk is defeated. Darkseid is both in Bats', and Hurt. At least implied to be. Hurt is at least the personification of the devil, and of evil itself.
And another thing...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/BatmanAndRobin12022.jpg)
Notice anything funny with how they found the cowl?
How about now:
(http://www.collectedcomicslibrary.com/dc_comics_special_editions/images/new_gods_omnibus_volume_1.jpg)
Whoa. that looks amazing and I do remember that cowl. You can never forget the cowl.
The Return hasn't come out yet. The Return of Bruce Wayne is on its 4th issue, currently. Just be patient.Ah, okay. That's good for me, I have a [parasitic bomb] ton to catch up on as it is. Got everything Batman wise now and need to grab the GL stuff.
http://nextwave.pl/opis/1620905/green-lantern-blackest-night-hc.htmlNo.
Hey, should I buy the thing in the above link?
I'm considering either that, or Batman & Robin Vol.1.
I have not yet got to reading either of time, but I have some money to use and my comic collection could use more of them.
No.Okay, thanks.
Blackest Night is a complicated event to read. Specially because it goes like this:
- Green Lantern #43
- Blackest Night #0
- Blackest Night #1
- Green Lantern #44
- Green Lantern Corps #39
- Blackest Night #2
- Green Lantern #45
- Green Lantern Corps #40
- Blackest Night #3
- Green Lantern #46
and so on and so forth through the rest of the event. You're only reading a third of the event with the GL hardcover. Get it along with the Blackest Night hardcover, at least, and leave the GLC one for last, because although it's quite essencial, it's not THAT essencial and some details can be left out.
If you want to get just a single book, get the Batman & Robin HC or the Final Crisis HC (it's a worthy book to have in hardcover)
Get the Batman run from the start with Batman & Son, Resurrection of Ra's Al Ghul, The Black Glove and RIP if you like maximum order.
If you want the GL run from the start, get Green Lantern: Rebirth, Green Lantern: No Fear and Green Lantern: Revenge of the Green Lanterns. Just as the regular order.
Uh, a bit old news, but yes. =P Known for about a month or so.
What makes Civil War so awesome? And what comics by Grant morrison that I can get into to become familiar to his writing?
What makes Civil War so awesome? And what comics by Grant morrison that I can get into to become familiar to his writing?Civil War isn't awesome. For someone starting to read comics, it's pretty awesome to read, but once you read something like Annihilation, which happened at the same time as Civil War, you gain a newfond hatred of everything in the Marvel Universe that happens on Earth, and think they're all a bunch of superpowered primadonnas who do nothing but squabble all day about [parasitic bomb] that doesn't really matter instead of coming together and saving existance.
No....
Blackest Night is a complicated event to read. Specially because it goes like this:
- Green Lantern #43
- Blackest Night #0
- Blackest Night #1
- Green Lantern #44
- Green Lantern Corps #39
- Blackest Night #2
- Green Lantern #45
- Green Lantern Corps #40
- Blackest Night #3
- Green Lantern #46
and so on and so forth through the rest of the event. You're only reading a third of the event with the GL hardcover. Get it along with the Blackest Night hardcover, at least, and leave the GLC one for last, because although it's quite essencial, it's not THAT essencial and some details can be left out.
If you want to get just a single book, get the Batman & Robin HC or the Final Crisis HC (it's a worthy book to have in hardcover)
Get the Batman run from the start with Batman & Son, Resurrection of Ra's Al Ghul, The Black Glove and RIP if you like maximum order.
If you want the GL run from the start, get Green Lantern: Rebirth, Green Lantern: No Fear and Green Lantern: Revenge of the Green Lanterns. Just as the regular order.
Also, if you're going to buy only one single book from Marvel, make it this one:Well, the art looks a bit like ass, but "Mark Millar Lick Goats" is enough for me to get interested! Then again, I just finished Planetary and the lack of cliched plots elements definitely made for an interesting read.
(http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/Nextwave%2011.jpg)
12 issues. Another awesome Warren Ellis comic.
...It's not that hard. Blackest Night is a CROSSOVER event. That's why you need to follow so many different comics, and it pretty much affected all of DC, with three issues coming out for every major superhero book dealing with the events of that night.
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF. I was having a conversation with someone a few weeks ago and he was commenting on how hard it is for him to get into any comic books because he can never figure out where to get in. And now that I'm trying to get back in myself, I see where he's coming from :P
Well, the art looks a bit like ass, but "Mark Millar Lick Goats" is enough for me to get interested! Then again, I just finished Planetary and the lack of cliched plots elements definitely made for an interesting read.
[spoiler]Seriously, the whole comic builds up to this epic confrontation between Elijah Snow and The Four, and instead Elijah fucks their days up without ever throwing a single punch. Though, I do wish I knew what the question Dawling never had an answer to was before Elijah went Authority on his ass[/spoiler]
So, I'm slowly moving through both Green Lantern and Green Lantern Corps. I forgot how easy it is to just read and read these books. Especially when they tie into each, you don't wanna put them down.They only start tying into each other in the Sinestro Corps War. But yeah, events are referenced in each other, Mongul goes through one another, and stuff.
They only start tying into each other in the Sinestro Corps War. But yeah, events are referenced in each other, Mongul goes through one another, and stuff.Yeah, I read Green Lantern for a few issues before hitting Recharge. Read a few more GL's till I got to the first GLC's month and then started alternating. That way, everything will be around the same come Sinestro Corps War then I'll try and read them with the Batman issues till I'm all caught up and ready for Final Crisis on all 3.
So, I'm slowly moving through both Green Lantern and Green Lantern Corps. I forgot how easy it is to just read and read these books. Especially when they tie into each, you don't wanna put them down.
I just hope DC does what's right and does for DeMatteis what they've done for Dini. Basically granting them their fanboy wishes and let them write what they want about the characters they want. I want Ted back, and I'd love it if the Booster Gold book was turned into something like "Blue and Gold", or something similar. They could have awesome time adventures with classic humor.
It's why cleaning up & organizing comics can take [tornado fang]ing forever. Cause you just start reading and reading them, and it's 5 hours later and you haven't done [parasitic bomb].The First Flight theme alone makes it worth the buy.
It'd be nice, yeah.
Also, on a PB IS SUPER HAPPY NOTE...
Experience The Music of DC Comic: 75th Anniversary Collection (http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2010/08/31/experience-the-music-of-dc-comics-75th-anniversary-collection/)
This is soooooooooo [tornado fang]ing awesome. I love soundtracks & compilations like this, containing all the old, classic, awesome themes. This will be bought immediately!
Oh yeah. They have all the themes of the classic 60's TV shows. I think the most important one though is that of the Fleischer Superman cartoon.The Fleisher Superman cartoon is so amazingly awesome. And it holds up really well. I remember watching the shorts at night, as a kid.
How are the Sonic X comics? I've never read them myself.They're [tornado fang]ing horrible, at least at the beginning.
They're [tornado fang]ing horrible, at least at the beginning.Did you even read The Black Glove and RIP?
The art is horrible, etc.
In other news, I've just finished reading Batman & Robin 13, since I found out I have all the current issues on my HDD.
I have only one thing to say:
wat
So...
[spoiler]El Penitente is Thomas Wayne? buhwha? Why is he alive? Is it really him? Or maybe it's just some whacko? I think I gotta read Return of Bruce, and stat.[/spoiler]
Did you even read The Black Glove and RIP?I'm sorry, but I didn't.
Oh [tornado fang]... I've finished reading RIP.Final Rites just fills in the gaps in Final Crisis. Better read it WITH Final Crisis.
Christ, that was GREAT. Intense and crazy [parasitic bomb].
Now more things kinda makes sense...
I will soon begin reading Final Rites.
[spoiler] [tornado fang]ing HURT![/spoiler]
They're calling the guy who makes Supernatural to make it.
I don't know the show that well, but my girlfriend's a hardcore fan and says he fits the bill.
...honestly? I think a spinoff show about Death would actually have been better suited for TV. A Sandman show will have to go into the realms of Twilight Zone or Nowhere Man in order to have that crazy weird bittersweet plot without tons of constant happiness and jokes to keep the regular american audience hooked.
Yeah, he is. That gives me quite a bit of hope. You're girlfriend has excellent taste, and not just in men. Supernatural is, IMO, one of the most underrated shows on television. As I always like to say, it "shouldn't" be as good as it is, but the writing is simply excellent, the characters are just awesome, and the show is a lot of fun, with fantastic choices of music. If you get the chance to watch it from the beginning, definitely do so. I recommend it.I got so many shows to watch.... old shows, new shows, everyone keeps bothering me to watch this or that show and I go crazy. I barely got time left in the day with my own schedule. o_o
Speaking of Death, I need to read that issue where Luthor meets her.
I got so many shows to watch.... old shows, new shows, everyone keeps bothering me to watch this or that show and I go crazy. I barely got time left in the day with my own schedule. o_o
Oh yeah, [tornado fang]ing watch Farscape too! 8DFFFFFFFFF
FFFFFFFFF
Also, next week's comic releases are so gold I cannot stop going crazy. :V
Scan's out for Batman. Not written by Morrison or Daniel, but the story's pretty good too. The point of it is to make Damian want to know more about his father instead of just thinking and accepting him as a generic dark knight of justice.
I love the way Damian's growing.
...AW [parasitic bomb] BATMAN & ROBIN #14 IS [tornado fang]ing TIGHT. It's awesome, I can't wait for the next issue. I don't want to spoil, so I'll wait a bit before talking about it and spazzing out like a good fan.
And like any other decent comic book lover, I am taking the time to read the current issue of One Moment In Time, in order to [sonic slicer] about it.
...
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OH MY GOD.
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OH GOD, QUESADA, [tornado fang] YOU. THIS IS THE WORST THING YOU HAVE EVER, EVER DONE.
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[tornado fang] YOU, QUESADA. [tornado fang]. YOU.
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OH GOD.
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QUESADA, YOU [chameleon sting]er. YOU. STUPID. [chameleon sting]er.
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HOW COULD YOU
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HOW [tornado fang]ing COULD YOU
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YOU HAVE RUINED THINGS FOREVER
...that's it. That's [tornado fang]ing it. Seriously, I am taking a VERY long hiatus from Spider-Man until this man is out of Marvel for good.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/FOURTHONE.jpg).
QUESADA
And like any other decent comic book lover, I am taking the time to read the current issue of One Moment In Time, in order to [sonic slicer] about it.
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OH MY GOD.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/SECONDONE.jpg)
OH GOD, QUESADA, [tornado fang] YOU. THIS IS THE WORST THING YOU HAVE EVER, EVER DONE.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/THIRDONE.jpg)
[tornado fang] YOU, QUESADA. [tornado fang]. YOU.
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OH GOD.
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QUESADA, YOU [chameleon sting]er. YOU. STUPID. [chameleon sting]er.
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HOW COULD YOU
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HOW [tornado fang]ing COULD YOU
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YOU HAVE RUINED THINGS FOREVER
...that's it. That's [tornado fang]ing it. Seriously, I am taking a VERY long hiatus from Spider-Man until this man is out of Marvel for good.
So basically everyone should omit OMiT from their comic libraries? 8D
I don't think OMD is the worst event, honestly.
Because OMD, as bad as it was, introduced a deal with the devil. There was almost a CERTAINTY that Peter was going to face Mephisto in the future and make him undo it or something, and that seemed epic.
I mean, deals with the devil are BAD. And we're supposed to think that, and Mephisto is bad, and never has really gotten away with something so incredibly swiftly like this, as if it was a good thing he was doing.
...but THIS? This makes us DISREGARD all of that. This one, single event is nothing more than Quesada giving us NO REASON WHATSOEVER to completely ruin a character and make sure nobody has any loopholes currently to redo the marriage. This is the characters COMING TO TERMS with the situation. This event... this event is nothing more than pleasing Quesada alone and rubbing his fanboy ego with the realization that he finally has HIS Spider-Man. That he has HIS character back. That Mary Jane is evil and he should get away from her and that he should remain single.
...and that is the most [tornado fang]'d up thing I have ever heard. NO comics writer has ever made an event singlehandedly to stroke his own ego like this, no writer has ever been so self-pleasing, and honestly, I've never met a Spider-Man fan who has been pleased with this.
...congratulations, Joe Quesada. You have officially written the worst story in comics history.
I consider them two separate events, but yes, they are in a way, one single event. Let me just say the difference between One More Day and One Moment In Time.
One More Day is Peter having his life taken away from an evil entity and then suddenly being "rebooted". And although I read the interviews, I actually thought there was a chance, a TINY chance that a small window of oportunity was still open, so if enough fans didn't like this, it would be undone for good. It was a tiny window, yes. But you can't deny that it was there. And even Bendis, one of the current Spidey artists and the guy considered to be the first in line to occupy Quesada's position once he's gone, hates this. Hell, Stan Lee has BLATANTLY stated he hates it by making the a bizarro version of this reboot (in which Peter wakes up happily married) in the newspaper comic. Nobody likes One More Day. Just Quesada. So there was a TIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINY bit of hope. A very small one, but there was.
But One Moment In Time? One Moment In Time is closing up every window, sealing the situation in a box, burying it in cement, sticking it in a place where nobody will ever find it and telling us "YOU'RE NEVER GONNA GET OUT OF HERE, EVER AGAIN!". OMD was bad, but it wasn't this bad. This? THIS IS BAD. This is fanfiction come to life. And it's making a point of killing every tiny bit of hope we ever had VERY SLOWLY so it hurts alot, ripping our heart out of our chest and rubbing it on our faces, along with his ballsack. This is pure disrespect. This is vandalism. This is Quesada doing the very thing no editor should ever do. Make comics for a single person. HIMSELF.
...get Geoff Johns here. Have him do a Spider-Man: Rebirth, a Goblin Corps War and a Spidest Night. That's the only way to save this.
This is fanfiction come to life. And it's making a point of killing every tiny bit of hope we ever had VERY SLOWLY so it hurts alot, ripping our heart out of our chest and rubbing it on our faces, along with his ballsack. This is pure disrespect. This is vandalism. This is Quesada doing the very thing no editor should ever do. Make comics for a single person. HIMSELF.
...get Geoff Johns here. Have him do a Spider-Man: Rebirth, a Goblin Corps War and a Spidest Night. That's the only way to save this.
relevant.
http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/27731-at4w-top15comicsineverreview
Now I got 15 things to read.
So, guess the only super that hasn't been Tampered by Quesada is Iron Man? I might look into those.
Well I've never been the biggest Iron Man fan overall, but I think his character was also pretty much ruined in Civil War. However, I don't know what's going on with him lately.If I remember right, he went full retard, tough they might have cured him of it.
So, guess the only super that hasn't been Tampered by Quesada is Iron Man? I might look into those.It's halfway decent, but not really as good as the stuff DC has gotten me used to. If you want to read anything good with Iron Man, read Extremis by Warren Ellis.
..What does Quesada have against MJ?...I don´t get it? Peter and MJ belong to eachother similiar to Lois and Clark...Welcome to Quesada. leave your reason at the door, and [tornado fang] up everything that is ingrained into a character and makes him who he is.
Setting up all this to make them break up seems tad extreme...
..What does Quesada have against MJ?...I don´t get it? Peter and MJ belong to eachother similiar to Lois and Clark...He grew up reading comics where Peter was a bachelor. Now he's head of Marvel. Basically, he's butthurt because of nostalgia, hates MJ because he believes Peter should forever be a mindless irresponsible teenager, and wants to make everything the way he was when he was a kid. It's like going to Deviantart or Fanfiction.net and giving some kid the keys to his own favorite franchise. He's making the story he's always wanted to make, while the original creators and best authors of the franchise sigh and watch their creation be ripped to pieces because some douchey kid who believes more in his own happiness than on others' got ahold of it.
Setting up all this to make them break up seems tad extreme...
Looks like Civil War might be the cause of Peter making the deal with the devil. It's my assumption, since I noticed a trend how bad comic book plots have been getting these days (lolgrimdark).
Yes and no. Again, Spidey has been written like [parasitic bomb] for a good 5-6 years now or longer. Civil War was one of the main reasons, because he publicly unmasked himself, which is easily the stupidest decision in comic book history. But in the end it all boils down to [parasitic bomb] writing by Quesada. If he wanted to end their marriage, there were just so many many many other ways to do it.
Like divorce, basically MJ being fed up with Parker's second life, instead of making a goddamn deal to the freaking devil. At least it would've made more sense, logical, and push foward Peter's character than taking five steps foward, and few steps back.That would AGE him. Quesada wants to make him into the forever teen.
Unmasking COULD have been a good decision, if the Civil War status quo of perfect utopian Tony Stark world of every single hero in the US working for SHIELD remained for good. With a whole new status quo, we would have been able to have new and interesting stories. But we all knew it didn't. It was amazingly stupid.
That would AGE him. Quesada wants to make him into the forever teen.
Honestly? In my opinion, Peter Parker SUCKS. He is one of the most whiny, obnoxious and stupid self-dramatizing BRATS I have ever seen in any kind of storylines. While Spider-Man rules. Dude's always on the move, always with good humor... Heck, it's the reason I'm loving how Shattered Dimensions plays. No Peter Parker, only Spidey.
Wally West's Flash run is pretty much the very idea of Spider-Man done well. Alot of crap happens to his family, loved ones and pretty much everyone he takes care of, due to his public identity. But the whole tale is done in a very good way, even when the Spectre erases public knowledge of his identity (even to himself). He always saves the day, he always makes it right in the end, and he's brought both his wife and children back from the dead. Now that's hardcore.
But Parker pushed through all the whining, the misery of the reality of his life, and kept going with being Spider-Man because he knew he had a responsibility. That's the beauty of the character. Life shat on him, both as Parker & Spider-Man, and he kept pushing through, as both Parker & Spider-Man because of the lessons he learned, and in the end he got the girl. He was rewarded with something good. Sure, his life was still all not that great, but he still had someone that loved him & visa versa. This destroyed all of that and brought him even further back to the whinyness than even the last 5-6 years of awful Spidey writing did.I was pretty much just comparing for the sake of similar situations. Wally had a dead mentor, had to control absolute CHAOS in his city, constant tragedy happened to him, and he handled alot of stuff by himself. Both his wife and children were taken from him multiple times, and they even made him forget about her in the middle of their own wedding! But he always went through in his own way, and always succeeded, never giving up, never going down even a little bit. That's what I like about him. Wally did what Peter could not. Because of the way he was written and the way he became. He gained maturity. A wife. Children. Respect by the people of the city and of the world. While Peter has a life of endless [parasitic bomb] to look forward to.
Also, Wally West can really not be compared to Peter Parker. They are two completely different characters. Wally West started off as a hero at a young age, even younger that Parker. He had a mentor to fully teach him how to use his powers and to set an example. He had other teenage costumed heroes he hung out with and they grew into their own family. And after Barry's death, Wally properly assumed the mantle of the Flash and builds a life for himself. Yes, there are some story comparisons. Like Linkara pointed out, there was an event with Wally in which Neron does indeed steal Wally's love & marriage, and it's done so much better than OMD. Of course, as brilliantly written and reinforced by Geoff Johns, a writer who uses the past to reinforce his version, Wally's love for Linda is his lightning rod, his way home, so that whole thing has more importance than OMD. But Wally never suffered as much as Peter did. Ever. Especially early on in his crime-fighting career.
Now, do I think Wally West is a better character than Peter Parker? Yes, I do. But I think it stems more from the fact that he's been handled sooooooooooooooooo much better as a character than Peter Parker by the writers. If anything, it's why The Spectacular Spider-Man is, IMO, the best version of Spider-Man I've ever seen, if you want to compare Peter Parker characters.
I was pretty much just comparing for the sake of similar situations. Wally had a dead mentor, had to control absolute CHAOS in his city, constant tragedy happened to him, and he handled alot of stuff by himself. Both his wife and children were taken from him multiple times, and they even made him forget about her in the middle of their own wedding! But he always went through in his own way, and always succeeded, never giving up, never going down even a little bit. That's what I like about him. Wally did what Peter could not. Because of the way he was written and the way he became. He gained maturity. A wife. Children. Respect by the people of the city and of the world. While Peter has a life of endless [parasitic bomb] to look forward to.
But like you said, that has everything to do with the writing and handling of the character. Wally is allowed to gain maturity. Wally is allowed to have a wife. Wally is allowed to have children. And before Flash: Rebirth, Wally's kids were handled pretty terrible, and thanks to the Geoffenious, they were improved upon! What's truly sad is that Peter is NOT allowed to have these things anymore. I think him having a kid with MJ would be the best thing that could happen to the character of Peter Parker, as it would once again bring home the idea of Peter Parker's responsibility. I never read much of it, but from my understanding, everyone LOVED the character of May-Day Parker in the Spider-Girl comic series. Quesada goes out of his way to show that she'll never exist. Ever. Not as long as he's in charge.Exactly. Talking about the natural evolution of a character, and how it's handled. In Marvel, few characters are being allowed an actual evolution (Steve Rogers looks like a 20-year old in his recent comics). In DC, pretty much everyone is maturing lately, and their personalities are changing. Batman's being given a whole new perspective in life, Superman's gained and lost his culture all over again, and he's reconnecting with the world, Hal Jordan's trying to find out what love means, Guy Gardner's no longer just an [dark hold], but he's a respectable commander of amazing forces, along with Kyle who finally lost all of his insecurities and is a veteran with a stable romance, Ollie is trying to find himself again, in his origins, Barry's back and trying to keep up with the world as best as he can, Diana's trying to undo stuff in her own origin, and taking on a new street-level style to do it... heck, even villains like Sinestro are evolving and redeeming themselves!
Hell, all you're really stating is that the writers of The Flash are much better than the writers of Spider-Man, and I couldn't agree with you more.
Exactly. Talking about the natural evolution of a character, and how it's handled. In Marvel, few characters are being allowed an actual evolution (Steve Rogers looks like a 20-year old in his recent comics). In DC, pretty much everyone is maturing lately, and their personalities are changing. Batman's being given a whole new perspective in life, Superman's gained and lost his culture all over again, and he's reconnecting with the world, Hal Jordan's trying to find out what love means, Guy Gardner's no longer just an [dark hold], but he's a respectable commander of amazing forces, along with Kyle who finally lost all of his insecurities and is a veteran with a stable romance, Ollie is trying to find himself again, in his origins, Barry's back and trying to keep up with the world as best as he can, Diana's trying to undo stuff in her own origin, and taking on a new street-level style to do it... heck, even villains like Sinestro are evolving and redeeming themselves!
Meanwhile, it's back to Deadpool being violently funny in his hundreds of weekly titles, and Wolverine bubbing snikts and snikting bubs.
This is why I was such a huge fan of the Ultimate universe, because at least if they were gonna go back to basics, they made a different universe for it. All three original Ultimate titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Ultimate X-Men, and The Ultimates, were excellent series, in my opinion. Granted, Marvel eventually ruined a couple of them (despite my issues with Ultimate Spidey, I still thought it was good).DC IS better than Marvel. Leagues better.
Otherwise, I agree with everything you said about DC and the characters. Hell you could've gone further. Luthor's evolving, secondary characters like Ganthet & Mera are even gaining new life, purpose, and character, and the new characters they've created like Larfleeze & Atrocitus all have their own unique character (Quickie told me that Larfleeze is getting his own X-mas special).
It's why I easily think that DC is better than Marvel at this point, and I'm not saying Marvel is all you. You and others have told me that Cosmic Marvel is [tornado fang]ing genius, and I personally think Ed Brubaker is a fantastic writer.
DC IS better than Marvel. Leagues better.
But honestly? And this is HURTING ME LIKE ALL HELL to say. Seriously, it's causing me gigantic pain.
Cosmic Marvel, at least Annihilation, that one single event... is better than the usual, run-of-the-mill DC stuff. It's basically one of the best events I've ever seen, if not the best (along with stuff like Final Crisis and Sinestro Corps War) and it's absolutely AMAZING. Every single comic of the main event is a pure delight, and Nova is SUCH AN AWESOME CHARACTER when he goes solo with the Nova Force. From there, the characters evolve, and it pretty much is at DC standards, all of the events that go from there. But Annihilation is just... monstrous. Amazing. Incredible. Fantastic. It is epic in standards of epic which you have never, ever seen before.
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Oh, and this is pretty excellent too. =P
But if they've made the Batman Beyond future canon, then it's definitely unlikely that Bruce will ever settle down.Not exactly. Three things:
- The current "canon" Batman Beyond future has Damian training Terry, and not Bruce. (confirmed in the latest Superman/Batman Annual)
I liked Batman Beyond. Coming from the fact that I REALLY like Bruce Timm's style.
They sure make him look like Bruce! XD...not the annual, man! That's DCAU canon, and continues from the DCAU episodes!
Posted on: September 11, 2010, 04:09:27 PM
Ummm...
DC says different. (http://dccomics.com/dcu/comics/?cm=14961)
...not the annual, man! That's DCAU canon, and continues from the DCAU episodes!
The RECENT title. Superman/Batman #75.
Here, I'll scan both pages of the short story for you.
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Bruce and Supes are dead, and Terry's trained by Damian. Follows with the #700 canon, which honestly hasn't yet been proven FULLY canon by any of the comics. It is Morrison-canon, so...
Hey don't blame me. You said "confirmed in the latest Superman/Batman Annual" not I! XDFFFFFFF MY DAMN MIND
LoL, Morrison-canon is always a mystery!
I will say though that ever since that Batman issue, I've always liked Damian's outfit.
Well that's what I meant when I say that Morrison-canon is always a mystery.It is, but mostly because of Dini's and Timm's amazing concepts for different storylines in the future, and their ability to make Terry a great character by creating new stuff all around instead of just focusing on a legacy.
And honestly, I tend to agree with you, which is one reason I never really got into the Legion, except for Mark Waid's run on it which was one of the best comics that recently came out several years back.
However, I honestly consider Batman Beyond to be the greatest version of the future of Batman.
It is, but mostly because of Dini's and Timm's amazing concepts for different storylines in the future, and their ability to make Terry a great character by creating new stuff all around instead of just focusing on a legacy.
I liked that he was a different type of Batman than Bruce.
Sure helped him against the Joker.Which kinda reminds me of why I think of #700's Beyond cameo as more of a tribute anyway. Look at who Terry's fighting. They're not some run-of-the-mill gang. That's the Joker and his Jokerz. =P Damian wouldn't be so chillaxed if it was someone like that. XD
Exactly. I liked his character a lot. I liked that he was a different type of Batman than Bruce. What I really like is what happened to Bruce to. I feel it's the most truthful example of what would happen to him. Plus, the reason why he gave it up was done so well in the opener.Yep. But that's the very point of this new side of Batman Morrison's promoting. He's CHANGING Batman. Getting him into the yellow oval again, embracing his Golden Age past, making him more colorful, getting him to fight against Gods and Entities... DCAU Bruce surely would have ended up like that, yes. But current Bruce? No. I'm expecting Bruce to come out changed, with a different outlook on life. No longer just the "[dark hold]" of the JLA. Look at the way he's portrayed in the Morrison books. Making a few jokes once in awhile. Fighting Ninja Man-Bats. Sharing a cuppa with his family. Actually SMILING to a girl when he recognizes her and treating her right, right after he's been through one of the worst ordeals of his life in #701. Morrison is changing Bruce bit by bit. Making him a bit more wacky and cartoony, to be honest. He's no longer the [dark hold] who scares children and treats everyone in a superior manner, grunting all the way. Dude's evolved beyond that.
Yep. But that's the very point of this new side of Batman Morrison's promoting. He's CHANGING Batman. Getting him into the yellow oval again, embracing his Golden Age past, making him more colorful, getting him to fight against Gods and Entities... DCAU Bruce surely would have ended up like that, yes. But current Bruce? No. I'm expecting Bruce to come out changed, with a different outlook on life. No longer just the "[dark hold]" of the JLA. Look at the way he's portrayed in the Morrison books. Making a few jokes once in awhile. Fighting Ninja Man-Bats. Sharing a cuppa with his family. Actually SMILING to a girl when he recognizes her and treating her right, right after he's been through one of the worst ordeals of his life in #701. Morrison is changing Bruce bit by bit. Making him a bit more wacky and cartoony, to be honest. He's no longer the [dark hold] who scares children and treats everyone in a superior manner, grunting all the way. Dude's evolved beyond that.
Oh I was just referring to the DCAU version of Bruce, not every version of him. I pretty much agree with you. I like that he's going back to using the Yellow Oval. I love that Morrison goes back to his Silver Age past as well. However, I personally think that DCAU Bruce is the best version of Bruce, because he still cracked jokes, smiled, and was much more of a wise-ass than an [dark hold]. I thought this was especially done right as they got further and further into the JL stories, especially the JLU series.I like the DCAU characterization, but I'm not fond of the way he closed up towards everyone. I like the Silver Age version of Bruce, where him and Superman were best friends who had fun saving the world alot of times. I LOVE the way Frank Miller made Batman the grim bastard we know and love, but I have to admit that my favorite Batman isn't the street-level Bats, but the dude who not only can save the world in amazing ways, but can have fun doing it as well. I mean, the break he took with Robin to go visit the Legion of Heroes? Would he have accepted such a thing while being portrayed in his "loner" mood? He's one for group action now, lots of friends having fun and saving the world with his resourcefulness! Morrison's making Batman be dark and grim as he's always been, but still amazing, legendary, and with some goofy stuff. That's what I love about this.
But that's pretty much what the DCAU Batman did as well. Sure, he was only a part-time member, but he clearly knew that the league needed him.Batman SAYS he's a part-time member simply so the league can't interfere with his matters. Dude's pretty much the leader. =P
In terms of character development though, I'd really love to see what Geoff does with Aquaman & Mera.
The only question now those is will Aquaman survive the Brightest Day. XDBy kicking Black Manta's ASS. =P
Besides Black Manta & Ocean Master, I can't recall any other Aquaman rogues. It looks like Mera's sister might be one in the future.Basically just anyone who pollutes the ocean, poaches or does anything illegal in the sea, really.
There's a rumor going around that all the major players in the Brightest Day biweekly are going to get their own series. Hawkman and Firestorm have my interest, Martian Manhunter and Deadman maybe, but I'll pass on Aquaman. I'm entirely sure why but Aquaman never appealed to me, all his supporting characters were far more enticing to me. Heck, Mera is the only reason why I'm following the Aquaman portions. That and Johns' writing with Reis' pencils.Aquaman can be quite cool when he wants to.
Hey PB or Superbat, do you guys know of any comic books that are similar to Invincible where the hero has powers but deals with problmes in a human way? I gonna try the first Spider man comics but I need more stuff like this, its good.Like PB said, Invincible, and in general, most Marvel heroes. The problem that they're being written pretty badly right now is awful, and the fact that I'd only recomend the Cosmic books, and the Greg Pak Hulk and Hercules/Cho books, neither being realistic. I guess Fantastic Four shows a bit of quality, but honestly, they're not very realistic either.
The Power Girl series has actually been having quite alot of real life/secret identity stuff lately, as well as her solving alot of problems normally.
You know, I love when someone asked Power Girl why she reveals her cleavage like that and she told them it gives her an advantage in battle, as some of her enemies are distracted. XDI kinda think she has the same reason as Black Canary's fishnets and high heels.
I kinda think she has the same reason as Black Canary's fishnets and high heels.
...because it looks good and she looks sexy in her costume. I'm thinking she likes that.
Oh no, I was saying that even if they brought Ted back, I doubt it'd have the same Blue & Gold feel to it as the classic Blue & Gold mainly because Booster Gold has evolved more as a character.
I'm not saying it can't be done. Far from it.
Oh no, I was saying that even if they brought Ted back, I doubt it'd have the same Blue & Gold feel to it as the classic Blue & Gold mainly because Booster Gold has evolved more as a character.You reading the current Booster Gold run? =P It IS being done. With time travel for exactly no story purposes other than bring back old JLI humor stories and awesome characters back.
I'm not saying it can't be done. Far from it.
You reading the current Booster Gold run? =P It IS being done. With time travel for exactly no story purposes other than bring back old JLI humor stories and awesome characters back.
And it does work. Booster's grown, yes, but he's still the same wacky guy he was before. He's just not so greedy now.
The last I read of Booster, he was time traveling around with his sister.New team of Booster Gold is the old JLI team.
Either way, that's good though.
Wait? Jason or Ronnie? Because Jason was the smarter one of the two.Sorry. It's Ronnie. I'm still fairly new to Firestorm.
LoL, I've got to get to the comic shop later today! XD
Sorry. It's Ronnie. I'm still fairly new to Firestorm.
I've always liked the powers & character design.Me too. But he doesn't really show up in alot of comics...
Me too. But he doesn't really show up in alot of comics...
I think it has a lot to do with his level of power and not exactly knowing what to do with the character.Uncle Johns is gonna fix it right. Heck, Green Lantern's power is also questionable, but Geoff made it reasoneable.
This is where I hope Geoff Geoff's in and fixes that! XD
Also made the Speed Force even more awesome!Yeah, although the "Barry Allen made me the Flash" thing was a bit too much. >_>;;;
He's great! 8D
I understand. BTW, allow me to post something which has really explained the way I feel about that ever-recurring subject here in this topic. I read this on /co/, and it seemed pretty fit for this.
"1995 was not a particularly good year. Sixth grade and the onset of puberty are difficult enough for the average twelve year-old boy, let alone a friendless one with Tourette Syndrome and an unfailing ability to alienate everyone around him. I suppose that is why, in the midst of the much-derided “Clone Saga,” that I began a life-long love affair with comic books, and with the Amazing Spider-Man in particular. In Peter Parker, I found a sort of salvation. Here was a man who was hopelessly at odds with the world around him, completely consumed by the weight of his own guilt. Nevertheless, he was a man who fought endlessly to protect those unable to protect themselves, and who went home every night to a woman whose physical beauty was matched only by the depths of compassion and love in her soul.
I cannot overstate how much that meant to me; a role model, however fictional, who suffered the same ostracism at the hands of his peers as I did mine, but who eventually grew out of it. He gained the respect of his classmates, the friendship of his high school nemesis, and the love of a beautiful woman. In short, he went through hell and came out on top. Granted, he would occasionally deal with minor setbacks (being framed for murder, thinking he was a clone, John Byrne), but he always rose above it all. Your time is too valuable to be spent reading yet another diatribe against the editorial decision to allow Peter Parker (the man who could not bring himself to kill the arch-enemy who both knew his secret identity and who had casually extinguished the life of his first great love) make a deal with the Marvel analogue of Satan. Far too much has already been written about “One More Day,” from CAPITAL LETTER RANTS penned by John Q. Fanboy to articles by commentators far more eloquent than I. No, instead, I thought I might offer a slightly more personal reflection on the controversy, especially in light of the recently concluded “One Moment in Time.”
Peter Parker has always been a uniquely organic character within the framework of the greater Marvel Universe. He graduated high school and fell in love, only to have both his heart and the metaphorical innocence of the silver age of comics ripped violently away. A character that had been previously written as little more than a “party-girl” foil for the sainted Gwen Stacy ended up pulling him back from the well of his grief. Peter and Mary Jane fell in love, only for the uncertainty of youth to pull them apart. Our hero tried his luck with a romance based on the mask rather than the man, yet found himself inexorably pulled back to Mary Jane Watson. Shortly thereafter, they married. Mary Jane was a woman who, unlike dear Gwen, knew of Peter’s double life and loved him all the more for it. Peter replaced self-aggrandizing photography (a holdover from Ditko’s interest in Randian philosophy that was always in tension with Peter’s role as a hero) with the selfless life of a teacher. Finally, he shattered the mold of the “loser loner” with his acceptance into the lofty ranks of Earth’s Mightiest Heroes. In short, he grew up.
As my adolescent life became increasingly unappealing, I found myself escaping more and more into the life of Peter Parker. It did not matter if the stories were “Marvel Tales” reprints, new issues bearing a hefty $1.50 cover price, or those rare, musty gems that were stumbled upon during a treasured Saturday at the comic shop while my long- suffering father waited patiently in the car grading papers. Every outlet into the world of Peter Parker was a lifeline; every glimpse of that world was a sign from God that if I refused to surrender to the contempt of my peers and my own self-loathing, I would make it through the day. I would end up a winner, like Peter.
In first college and then law school, I found life changed more suddenly and dramatically than I would have thought possible. Although I still don’t quite understand how it happened, I found my Tourette Syndrome under control and women showing an interest in me. Where before I was literally without a friend in the world, I now had the enviable task of choosing which group of friends with which I would spend my evening. At the same time, JMS and Mark Millar were masterfully writing tales of Peter and Mary Jane Watson Parker as mature and grounded late 20-somethings who triumphed over the trials life put in their way by drawing on their love for each other. All was right with the world.
When “One More Day” hit the stands, I was not particularly bothered by it on an emotional level. While I was disgusted over the decision to end the marriage in the hopes of making Peter more marketable (It is no coincidence that sales plummeted when “Brand New Day” reduced Peter to a pathetic hard-luck loser just as they did when John Byrne had Peter sleeping on the streets), the methodology was so mind-numbingly absurd that it failed to elicit emotion reaction.
However, where “One More Day” failed to weigh on my mind, “One Moment In Time” has succeeded in leaving an indelible scar on my soul. Please, do not think me prone to hyperbole, but that storyline has legitimately made me question the passion for comic books that I have had for the majority of my 27 years on this Earth.
Where J.M. DeMatteis’ magnum Spider-Man opus “The Gift” (Amazing Spider-Man #400) celebrated the indefatigable bonds of love between Peter, Mary Jane and May Parker, “One Moment in Time” reduced them to a maudlin caricature of what had gone before. I am not going to rehash the plot points of “One Moment in Time,” as I assume anyone who has actually read this far into this self -indulgent little essay has a general familiarity with what occurred. Suffice to say, the wedding never happened, and at story’s end, Mary Jane “frees” Peter from the “burden” of their failed relationship.
The personal poignancy of the story is made all the worse by recent events in my own life as (knock on wood) I have found my own happy ending. I am practicing law by day, while spending my nights and weekends with my own, personal Mary Jane Watson.
For three years now, I have been blessed with the love of one of those beautiful “popular girls,” something I would have thought impossible in high school. Imagine, then, my difficulty in reading a story where, in Peter Parker’s post- Faustian world, his once greatest source of strength has been perverted into a burden. Apparently, Peter need no longer feel guilty when he has drunken one-night stands, let alone casual sex with two woman in the space of five issues (Yes, this actually happened in a Spider-Man comic).
As I come to a close, I am reminded of Alan Moore’s message to comic book readers while writing as Dan Dreiberg. He tells us that we must never fall into the trap of letting habit replace passion. While my love for stories like “Kraven’s Last Hunt,” “The Child Within,” and Mark Millar’s nameless run on Marvel Knight’s Spider-Man will never fade, my passion for the ongoing adventures of Peter Parker has been replaced with the monotonous habit of reading comic books for the sake of reading comic books. I began this essay with a quote that I now return to now.
“Today. Today. My best friend. The best person I’ve ever known-set me free.” During what I can only pray was the darkest period of my life, Peter Parker was my best friend. I grew up with him, and now it is time to say goodbye. In a sense, he was the best person I have ever known, and with the conclusion of “One Moment in Time,” he has set me free."
It is quite well-written. And I feel the same way. I read alot of Spidey growing up, and to see this set in words... I think this last comic made alot of fans realise how much this means. It means they're free. No need to keep following something they really shouldn't look forward to. No sense to keep reading garbage simply due to force of habit. This is good.
I pretty much know that... if I EVER read a Marvel Spider-Man comic again, it won't be for a long, long time.
...newspaper strip still rules. Go Stan!
I understand. BTW, allow me to post something which has really explained the way I feel about that ever-recurring subject here in this topic. I read this on /co/, and it seemed pretty fit for this.
"1995 was not a particularly good year. Sixth grade and the onset of puberty are difficult enough for the average twelve year-old boy, let alone a friendless one with Tourette Syndrome and an unfailing ability to alienate everyone around him. I suppose that is why, in the midst of the much-derided “Clone Saga,” that I began a life-long love affair with comic books, and with the Amazing Spider-Man in particular. In Peter Parker, I found a sort of salvation. Here was a man who was hopelessly at odds with the world around him, completely consumed by the weight of his own guilt. Nevertheless, he was a man who fought endlessly to protect those unable to protect themselves, and who went home every night to a woman whose physical beauty was matched only by the depths of compassion and love in her soul.
I cannot overstate how much that meant to me; a role model, however fictional, who suffered the same ostracism at the hands of his peers as I did mine, but who eventually grew out of it. He gained the respect of his classmates, the friendship of his high school nemesis, and the love of a beautiful woman. In short, he went through hell and came out on top. Granted, he would occasionally deal with minor setbacks (being framed for murder, thinking he was a clone, John Byrne), but he always rose above it all. Your time is too valuable to be spent reading yet another diatribe against the editorial decision to allow Peter Parker (the man who could not bring himself to kill the arch-enemy who both knew his secret identity and who had casually extinguished the life of his first great love) make a deal with the Marvel analogue of Satan. Far too much has already been written about “One More Day,” from CAPITAL LETTER RANTS penned by John Q. Fanboy to articles by commentators far more eloquent than I. No, instead, I thought I might offer a slightly more personal reflection on the controversy, especially in light of the recently concluded “One Moment in Time.”
Peter Parker has always been a uniquely organic character within the framework of the greater Marvel Universe. He graduated high school and fell in love, only to have both his heart and the metaphorical innocence of the silver age of comics ripped violently away. A character that had been previously written as little more than a “party-girl” foil for the sainted Gwen Stacy ended up pulling him back from the well of his grief. Peter and Mary Jane fell in love, only for the uncertainty of youth to pull them apart. Our hero tried his luck with a romance based on the mask rather than the man, yet found himself inexorably pulled back to Mary Jane Watson. Shortly thereafter, they married. Mary Jane was a woman who, unlike dear Gwen, knew of Peter’s double life and loved him all the more for it. Peter replaced self-aggrandizing photography (a holdover from Ditko’s interest in Randian philosophy that was always in tension with Peter’s role as a hero) with the selfless life of a teacher. Finally, he shattered the mold of the “loser loner” with his acceptance into the lofty ranks of Earth’s Mightiest Heroes. In short, he grew up.
As my adolescent life became increasingly unappealing, I found myself escaping more and more into the life of Peter Parker. It did not matter if the stories were “Marvel Tales” reprints, new issues bearing a hefty $1.50 cover price, or those rare, musty gems that were stumbled upon during a treasured Saturday at the comic shop while my long- suffering father waited patiently in the car grading papers. Every outlet into the world of Peter Parker was a lifeline; every glimpse of that world was a sign from God that if I refused to surrender to the contempt of my peers and my own self-loathing, I would make it through the day. I would end up a winner, like Peter.
In first college and then law school, I found life changed more suddenly and dramatically than I would have thought possible. Although I still don’t quite understand how it happened, I found my Tourette Syndrome under control and women showing an interest in me. Where before I was literally without a friend in the world, I now had the enviable task of choosing which group of friends with which I would spend my evening. At the same time, JMS and Mark Millar were masterfully writing tales of Peter and Mary Jane Watson Parker as mature and grounded late 20-somethings who triumphed over the trials life put in their way by drawing on their love for each other. All was right with the world.
When “One More Day” hit the stands, I was not particularly bothered by it on an emotional level. While I was disgusted over the decision to end the marriage in the hopes of making Peter more marketable (It is no coincidence that sales plummeted when “Brand New Day” reduced Peter to a pathetic hard-luck loser just as they did when John Byrne had Peter sleeping on the streets), the methodology was so mind-numbingly absurd that it failed to elicit emotion reaction.
However, where “One More Day” failed to weigh on my mind, “One Moment In Time” has succeeded in leaving an indelible scar on my soul. Please, do not think me prone to hyperbole, but that storyline has legitimately made me question the passion for comic books that I have had for the majority of my 27 years on this Earth.
Where J.M. DeMatteis’ magnum Spider-Man opus “The Gift” (Amazing Spider-Man #400) celebrated the indefatigable bonds of love between Peter, Mary Jane and May Parker, “One Moment in Time” reduced them to a maudlin caricature of what had gone before. I am not going to rehash the plot points of “One Moment in Time,” as I assume anyone who has actually read this far into this self -indulgent little essay has a general familiarity with what occurred. Suffice to say, the wedding never happened, and at story’s end, Mary Jane “frees” Peter from the “burden” of their failed relationship.
The personal poignancy of the story is made all the worse by recent events in my own life as (knock on wood) I have found my own happy ending. I am practicing law by day, while spending my nights and weekends with my own, personal Mary Jane Watson.
For three years now, I have been blessed with the love of one of those beautiful “popular girls,” something I would have thought impossible in high school. Imagine, then, my difficulty in reading a story where, in Peter Parker’s post- Faustian world, his once greatest source of strength has been perverted into a burden. Apparently, Peter need no longer feel guilty when he has drunken one-night stands, let alone casual sex with two woman in the space of five issues (Yes, this actually happened in a Spider-Man comic).
As I come to a close, I am reminded of Alan Moore’s message to comic book readers while writing as Dan Dreiberg. He tells us that we must never fall into the trap of letting habit replace passion. While my love for stories like “Kraven’s Last Hunt,” “The Child Within,” and Mark Millar’s nameless run on Marvel Knight’s Spider-Man will never fade, my passion for the ongoing adventures of Peter Parker has been replaced with the monotonous habit of reading comic books for the sake of reading comic books. I began this essay with a quote that I now return to now.
“Today. Today. My best friend. The best person I’ve ever known-set me free.” During what I can only pray was the darkest period of my life, Peter Parker was my best friend. I grew up with him, and now it is time to say goodbye. In a sense, he was the best person I have ever known, and with the conclusion of “One Moment in Time,” he has set me free."
It is quite well-written. And I feel the same way. I read alot of Spidey growing up, and to see this set in words... I think this last comic made alot of fans realise how much this means. It means they're free. No need to keep following something they really shouldn't look forward to. No sense to keep reading garbage simply due to force of habit. This is good.
I pretty much know that... if I EVER read a Marvel Spider-Man comic again, it won't be for a long, long time.
...newspaper strip still rules. Go Stan!
We thought it would be appropriate to re-think and update the kind of in-your-face self-relecting narrative techniques used by Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons and to apply them to a whole new story which asks ‘what if Watchmen had been conceived now, in the contemporary political landscape and with the Charlton characters themselves, rather than analogues?
So the cover hs a close-up on a burning peace flag and a Delmore Schwartz quote – ‘Time is the school in which we learn, time is the fire in which we burn’ – and it all blossoms from there.
They’re designed to be told over and over again. If you were an Aboriginal kid or a tribal shaman, that’s what you’d do, you’d participate in the recycling of old stories, the ‘revamping’ of characters and scenarios, the explaining away of plot holes. Some to the job with more skill than others, but if you work with Marvel, DC or other companies’ pulp fiction characters, you’re basically repainting pictures of the ancestors on cave walls.
Basically, [tornado fang] OFF, ALAN MOORE. MORRISON IS GOD OF COMICS NOW.
Come to think of it, has Alan Moore written anything of note over the past five years?
I love when he writes New Gods stuff though. JLA: Rock of Ages was excellent, and I just think it's such a perfect fit for him.Yeah. But in the current DC, they oughta give the New Gods a rest. They're good for the IMMENSE EPIC every ten years or so.
Yeah. But in the current DC, they oughta give the New Gods a rest. They're good for the IMMENSE EPIC every ten years or so.
(http://i.newsarama.com/images/GL-Larfleeze-Xmas2010.jpg)
Indeed. Already got mine pre-ordered!
Calling it now:>Implying fans haven't got that covered yet
This will be a parody of/homage to Dr. Seuss' Grinch
Every Green Lantern
Down on Mogo
Shared Christmas a lot...
But Larfleeze,
Who's Lantern was of Orange,
Did NOT!
This Larfleeze wanted Christmas! The whole Christmas season!
Now, please don't ask why. No one quite knows the reason.
It could be that his ring wasn't screwed on quite right.
It could be, perhaps, that his spectrum was too bright.
But I think that the most likely reason of all
May have been that his greed made everything his call.
But,
Whatever the reason,
His ring or his spectrum,
He floated there in space, hating those Lanterns,
Staring down with his cravings with a sour, Larfleeze frown
At the green lighted windows below in their town.
For he knew every GL down in Mogo beneath
Was busy now, willing a green mistleoe wreath.
"And they're hanging MY stockings!" he snarled with a sneer.
"Tomorrow is Christmas! It's all MINE you hear!"
Then he growled, with his Fleezy fingers round his Lantern tight as can be,
"I MUST find a way to keep Christmas just for me!"
For, tomorrow, he knew...
...All the GL girls and boys
Would wake up bright and early. They'd rush for HIS toys!
And then! Oh, the noise! Oh, the noise! Noise! Noise! Noise!
That's another thing he wanted! The NOISE! NOISE! NOISE! NOISE!
Then the Lanterns, young and old, would sit down to HIS feast.
And they'd feast! And they'd feast!
And they'd FEAST! FEAST! FEAST! FEAST!
They would eat his Rann-pudding, and rare Thangarian-roast-beast!
For you see Larfleeze wanted every morsel they'd all have the LEAST!!
And THEN
They'd do something he liked least of all!
Every GL down on Mogo, the tall and the small,
Would stand close together, with Lantern Oath ringing.
They'd stand hand-in-hand. And all his rings would start slinging!
They'd sling! And they'd sling!
AND they'd SLING! SLING! SLING! SLING!
And the more Larfleeze thought of the Green-Will-Christmas-Sling
The more the 'Fleeze thought, "I must have this whole thing!
"Why for fifty-three years I've wanted it now!
I MUST have Christmas MINE for the keeping!
...But HOW?"
Then he got an idea!
An awful idea!
LARFLEEZE HAS ALL WONDERFUL, AWFUL IDEAS!
"I know just what to do!" The 'Fleeze Laughed in his throat.
And he brought forth an orange Santy Claus hat and a coat.
And he chuckled, and clucked, "MY, What a great Fleezy trick!
"With this coat and this hat, that I took from Saint Nick!"
"I need is all his reindeer..."
Larfleeze looked around.
But since reindeer that fly Black Lanterns ate all last year, there was none to be found.
Did that stop the old Larfleeze...?
No! Lar' simply said,
"If I can't find a reindeer, I'll make one instead!"
So he called his agents forward. Then he took some red thread
And he tied a big horn on top of their heads.
THEN
He stole some bags
And anything to hold his payments
On a ramshakle sleigh
He hitched up his agents.
Then Larfleeze said, "Giddyap!"
And the sleigh started down
Toward the homes where the GLs
Lay a-snooze in the town.
All their rings were quite dark. Quiet snow fell on Mogo.
And the Lanterns all dreaming sweet dreams without Sinesto
When he came to the first construct in the square.
"This is stop number one," The old Larfleeze Claus hissed
And he flew to the roof, empty bags in his fist.
Then he slid down the chimney. A rather tight squeeze.
But if Santa could do it, then so could the Fleeze.
He got stuck only once, for a moment or two.
Then he stuck his head out of the fireplace flue
Where the little Lantern batteries all hung in a row.
"These Batteries," he grinned, "are my first things I stow!"
Then he slithered and slunk, with a smile most unpleasant,
Around the whole room, and he took every ring present!
From Gardner! And Rayner! ! Saarek!
Ch'p! Turytt! Perdoo! And Gpaak!
And he stuffed them in bags. Then Larfleeze, very nimbly,
Stuffed all HIS bags, one by one, up the chimney!
Then he slunk to the icebox. He took the GL' feast!
He took the Rann-pudding! He took the Thanagarian-roast beast!
He cleaned out that icebox as quicker than flash.
Why, that Orange even took their last can of Kryptonian-hash!
Then he stuffed all the food up the chimney with glee.
"And NOW!" grinned Larfleeze, "I will stuff up MY CENTRAL BATTERY!!"
And the Fleeze grabbed the Power Source, and he started to shove
When he heard a small sound like the coo of a dove.
He turned around fast, and he saw a small Black Lantern!
Little Katma Tui, who died in Action Comics Weekly #601-602!
The Fleeze had been caught by this little Zombie covert
Who'd rose from the dead to steal the heart of John Stewart.
She stared at Larfleeze and said, "Santy Claus, why,
"Why is greed all I see? WHY?"
But, you know, that old 'Fleeze was so smart and so slick
He thought up a lie, and he thought it up quick!
"Why, my sweet little corpse," the fake Fleezy Claus lied,
"This willpower core won't light on one side.
"So I'm taking it home to my workshop, on Maltus.
"I'll bring it back there. Then I'll be glad for you to kill us!"
And his fib fooled the corpse. Then he patted her head
And he led her to Stewart's and he sent her to his bed.
And when Katma Tui , went to a bed for her sup'.
HE went to the chimney and stuffed the battery up!
Then the last thing he took
Was the Kilowog's green ringlet.
Then he went up the chimney himself, the old piglet.
On their hands he left nothing but empty fingers, and
green singlet.
And the one speck of food
That he left in the fort
Was a crumb that was even too small for G'nort.
Then
He did the same thing
To the other Lantern homes
Taking all
That he saw
For he knew it was time to call in his loans!
It was quarter past dawn...
All the GLs, still a-bed
All the GLs, still a-snooze
When he packed up his sled,
Packed it up like a wiz! The Rings! The Batteries!
All his! All the Lanterns! The Green! All for Larfleeze!
Three thousand feet up! One side of outer space,
He floated there ready to absorb at his pace!
"Pooh-pooh to the Lanterns!" he was Fleeze-ish-ly humming.
"They're finding out now that Christmas is mine!
"They're just waking up! I know just what they'll do!
"Their mouths will hang open a minute or two
"Then all the GLs down on Mogo will all cry OA, WHAT WILL WE DOOO?!"
"That's a noise," grinned Larfleeze,
"That I simply must have!"
So he paused. And Larfleeze put a hand to his ear.
And he did hear a sound rising down on Mogo.
It started in low. Then it started to grow...
But the sound wasn't sad!
Why, this sound was their oath!
It couldn't be so!
But the planet WAS glowing! VERY!
He stared down at Mogo!
The Fleeze popped his eyes!
Then he shook!
What he saw was a shocking surprise!
Every GL down on Mogo, the tall and the small,
Was slinging! Without any rings at all!
He HADN'T stopped Christmas from coming!
IT CAME!
Somehow or other, a blast came the same!
And Larfleeze, with his orange-ring ice-cold in the void,
was hit puzzling and puzzling: "I took all MY rings, how could this I avoid?!
It came from their will! It came without green!
"It came without batteries, or rings I'd not seen!"
And he was hit by the power, `till his jaw tusks were sore.
Then the Fleeze thought of something he hadn't before!
"Maybe Christmas," he thought, "doesn't come from this core.
"Maybe Christmas...perhaps...means I have to steal a bit more!"
And what happened then...?
Well...on Mogo they say
That much of Larfleeze's stolen stash
Fell back from orbit that day!
And the minute the rings returned to to the Corps,
He escaped with some swag, though he wanted much more!
And losing all the gear he kept the food for the feast!
And he...
...HE HIMSELF...!
The Fleeze ate the roast beast!
THE END.
My god. That was pure awesome. Larfleeze, give yourself a round of applause for being DC's answer to Marvel's Deadpool. XDMarvel's Deadpool was already an answer to DC's Lobo, who has been underused, which is GOOD considering comedy characters are only funny if you pop them in sometimes.
Hell, OMD OMiT prove that fact 100x fold.
If they're the same plastic that the promo rings are made from, then they should be pretty sturdy. Those rings have fallen off of shelves and were fine.Really? Hmm, I hope my fingers are too small.
Too bad they're so large. They won't fit my scrawny fingers.
Really? Hmm, I hope my fingers are too small.
Anyways, I finished Sinestro Corps War. Hot damn, it was an awesome read. Now I can get back to Batman and make that push to Final Crisis.
I hoped Superboy would stay dead. Just so someone would. Then again, no one stays dead in comic books.
Though, on that subject, I actually felt sad for Hank Henshaw when the Manhunters brought him back at the end of the Sinestro Corps and he's got that single tear.
And yeah, poor Cyborg-Superman! XDI'm having trouble not sympathising with him and Prime because of what they've had to endure.
Prime needs to have someone's shoe rammed up his ass. He whines far too much.I'm pretty sure I'd whine too if my whole universe wiped out in the blink of an eye and then everyone I idolised turned out to be gigantic hypocrites.
He still needs to have a foot rammed up his ass. Leia lost her entire planet and family, yet she doesn't whine as much.Yeah, but her dad whined like a [sonic slicer] :P
That he did. Thankfully he grew a pair in his later years.Maybe Prime will grow a pair eventually? (Doubt it)
I prefer Bunnie Rabbot over Cream, as Bunnie's ears aren't backwards. And she's a cyborg. And cyborgs are cool.Bunnie is still in this.
I miss my old Sonic comics...
Don't kill off a money-making franchise, y'know?
GL is easily my favorite comic out right now!That and GL Corps are quickly becoming favorites in DC and it makes me sad I've missed out on so much. But, from GL: Rebirth on has seemed like a damn good time to get into Green Lantern. Once I get all caught up, I'm thinking about jumping back into the older stuff and reading the best of it as well as Rayner's stories when he was the so called "Last" Green Lantern. He seems to be my favorite right now.
That and GL Corps are quickly becoming favorites in DC and it makes me sad I've missed out on so much. But, from GL: Rebirth on has seemed like a damn good time to get into Green Lantern. Once I get all caught up, I'm thinking about jumping back into the older stuff and reading the best of it as well as Rayner's stories when he was the so called "Last" Green Lantern. He seems to be my favorite right now.
Also just finished Batman RIP. Truth be told, that little reveal on Doctor Hurt felt more like "how far can we take this before people go 'what the [tornado fang]'?". With what I know of Batman's fate in Final Crisis and what I've heard about Batman 701 and 702, I'm really not too high on Morrison's writing at the moment. I'm trying to give it a chance though, waiting for that big pay off moment where everything leaves you in a state of "Oh [parasitic bomb]". Hope I find it.
The thing with Morrison is, you have to like his writing and you have to be kinda use to it. I've followed him ever since his run on JLA, and I loved it. But it's understandable, so don't be surprised if it doesn't do it for you. With Morrison, it's usually a like or dislike relationship. XDI just don't like ridiculously contrived and Morrison's writing is right there on the edge of it. I will say it's far from the worst writing I've read, just not my kind.
I just don't like ridiculously contrived and Morrison's writing is right there on the edge of it. I will say it's far from the worst writing I've read, just not my kind.
Fair enough. I'd say go back and read his JLA stuff from the 90's. You might like that Morrison. Plus, Rayner was on that team and had one of my favorite lines/panels.That's a great selling point, hahaha. I think I'll do just that once I get all caught up!
"I'm your worst nightmare, pal. A Manga nut with a Power Ring!"
That's a great selling point, hahaha. I think I'll do just that once I get all caught up!
Man, I got Final Crisis Complete right here. 350+ pages of insanity. Let's Rock.
You know, I actually don't mind that. I'm in the middle of the issue where Aunt May is at her therapist and it's like "Woah" because you're really seeing a side of a the character that, as far as I can remember, isn't really there with the 616 May. Though, I am sure there is dialogue that's completely superfluous and removable, alot of it seems to fit perfectly and helps you go "Oh, so THIS is what's happening".
Also, Jean Grey and Spidey when they first meet? Ahaha, oh man. "Actually, you're the first guy in six months to not think of me naked"
"Oh.."
"..."
"..."
"Are you done?"
"..."
"..."
"Okay, now"
"..."
"Now"
Haha, keep it going, champ!
Yes. First I disappear without a trace, then he vanishes, and then I reappear.Oh [parasitic bomb]...
What up with dat?
Funny you should mention good Superman stories, why do most people say it is almost impossible to come up with good stories of Superman especially with works like "Whatever happened to the man of tomorrow?". Is it really difficult to come with good superman stories? I know he is overpowered, he is the first superhero archetype and there is no real challenge to him but still stories like what I had just mentioned, you think there would be other skilled writers who can come with good stories without going darker. Why do people prefer other heroes to Superman?I personally have not read them yet but...
Funny you should mention good Superman stories, why do most people say it is almost impossible to come up with good stories of Superman especially with works like "Whatever happened to the man of tomorrow?". Is it really difficult to come with good superman stories? I know he is overpowered, he is the first superhero archetype and there is no real challenge to him but still stories like what I had just mentioned, you think there would be other skilled writers who can come with good stories without going darker. Why do people prefer other heroes to Superman?
Funny you should mention good Superman stories, why do most people say it is almost impossible to come up with good stories of Superman especially with works like "Whatever happened to the man of tomorrow?". Is it really difficult to come with good superman stories? I know he is overpowered, he is the first superhero archetype and there is no real challenge to him but still stories like what I had just mentioned, you think there would be other skilled writers who can come with good stories without going darker. Why do people prefer other heroes to Superman?
Heh, sorry I neglected this post. Shame on me. Anyway, why this is genius...
[spoiler=Bat-Spoiler Tab]As you may or may not have known, Bruce Wayne has been traveling through time thanks to the Omega Effect of Darkseid's Omega Beams. Well, he's back now, the full details of how will be discovered tomorrow when the 6th issue of Return of Bruce Wayne comes out.
But in Batman & Robin #16, he's back, and at the end of the comic, he holds a press conference and essentially announces that he has been funding Batman all this time, in terms of his crime-fighting technology and such. Furthermore, he announces that the "War against Crime" goes global tonight, and the Wayne Enterprises' newest venture, Batman Inc.
What he's done is essentially turned the idea of Batman into a corporation, a division of Wayne Enterprises that is devoted to fighting crime, and it's a very new take on the character. I find the idea to be absolutely brilliant, because it can open up so many fantastic stories for the character, all around. First and foremost, it's going away from the whole "Batman is a loner dick" motive, which I think is good cause it's been done for a long time now, and it shows the growth of the character of Bruce Wayne. Second, it opens up the possibility of awesome new characters for the Batman mythos & the DCU as a whole, because while Dick Grayson & Damian stay on in Gotham as Batman & Robin, Bruce will be traveling around the world to train people to be Batman-esque crime fighters. Third, it still doesn't reveal Bruce to be Batman, but it definitely sets him up as a potential target from criminals and the govt., even more so that he already was.
So many potential stories can come from this Batman Inc. idea. It's a completely new direction and if done correctly, it can be really good. All in all, I think it's one of the best ideas DC has come up with since the Emotional Spectrum in the Green Lantern U. right now.[/spoiler]
Heh, sorry I neglected this post. Shame on me. Anyway, why this is genius...
[spoiler=Bat-Spoiler Tab]As you may or may not have known, Bruce Wayne has been traveling through time thanks to the Omega Effect of Darkseid's Omega Beams. Well, he's back now, the full details of how will be discovered tomorrow when the 6th issue of Return of Bruce Wayne comes out.
But in Batman & Robin #16, he's back, and at the end of the comic, he holds a press conference and essentially announces that he has been funding Batman all this time, in terms of his crime-fighting technology and such. Furthermore, he announces that the "War against Crime" goes global tonight, and the Wayne Enterprises' newest venture, Batman Inc.
What he's done is essentially turned the idea of Batman into a corporation, a division of Wayne Enterprises that is devoted to fighting crime, and it's a very new take on the character. I find the idea to be absolutely brilliant, because it can open up so many fantastic stories for the character, all around. First and foremost, it's going away from the whole "Batman is a loner dick" motive, which I think is good cause it's been done for a long time now, and it shows the growth of the character of Bruce Wayne. Second, it opens up the possibility of awesome new characters for the Batman mythos & the DCU as a whole, because while Dick Grayson & Damian stay on in Gotham as Batman & Robin, Bruce will be traveling around the world to train people to be Batman-esque crime fighters. Third, it still doesn't reveal Bruce to be Batman, but it definitely sets him up as a potential target from criminals and the govt., even more so that he already was.
So many potential stories can come from this Batman Inc. idea. It's a completely new direction and if done correctly, it can be really good. All in all, I think it's one of the best ideas DC has come up with since the Emotional Spectrum in the Green Lantern U. right now.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=My thoughts]While this is certainly interesting and I am curious to see how it goes, at the same time, I'm not sure if I like it very much. Bruce has essentially turned himself into a franchise and it seems a bit corny in that respect. It seems to be borrowing, also, from when Spidey went public with his identity, as a way for DC to also cash in on what Marvel did, as crappy or as great as fans respectively thought that move to be. It seems like a publisher stunt than it does a serious new direction for Batman.
I can see how this was discussed in the board room when the idea was passed around. Some of the editors were getting tired of the current Batman archetype, they wanna drag in more readers, so they suggest to borrow from Marvel. However, they alter it just so so that it's still a different idea. Basically, they wanted Batman to be accessible to everyone and they're thus going to make Batman accessible to the whole world by marketing the shadowy loner vigilante that so many of us have grown up with. They've painted themselves into a corner with killing off, bringing back (via time travel), and substituting Batman so they're gonna have Bruce retire the cowl (which is odd, as Bruce is simply Batman with his mask off, to paraphrase Peter David) and market his identity to others.
I dunno... This can go two ways and with a good team of writers, it could prolly be pretty darn good. I may actually become a regular reader again. But, in the wrong hands, this can also go south really fast and then the editors will need to pull another gimmick outta their ass in order to save Batman from the fryer.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=To The Spoiler Tab]It's not so much a franchise as much as a corporation, or a division of the already global Wayne Enterprises. LoL, I don't think it's like getting Bat-Fries or Bat-Nuggets (even though that would be deliciously awesome). I thought of the Spidey thing as well, but the main difference is how it was handled, and also because of the hero involved. Spidey unmasking was stupid because he, above all other heroes, knows what happens when psychos find out who you are under the mask. Mind you, Batman knows the danger inherent in it as well, and that's why he doesn't unmask, but rather says that Wayne Enterprises has been funding Batman, which is not only the truth, but also still serves as a distraction away from him actually being Batman. He still keeps the playboy image, but he's been protecting Gotham financially for a while now, so it still makes him high profile.
Morrison is a fan of Silver Age Batman, which you can see in his writing, especially prior R.I.P. Also, Bruce isn't retiring as Batman. He, as Batman, is going to go around the world and train others, as well as some home grown as well. I think Batwoman (a seriously awesome character) is going to be trained by Bruce. But this just has such potential. It's not marketing his identity, as much as his knowledge & skills, which I think is cool, especially considering the fact that he's been away for so long and he might realize that he might not be around forever.
You're right though. It can be good or bad depending on the writing. I'm hoping for the best! [/spoiler]
Which is its own universe now in the DCU Multiverse.Oh I know, but I'm just seeing some similarities in how Bruce turned out in KC and the way he's progressing here. Not saying that he will turn out the same, but yeah.
I bought the 1st Graphic Novel cause it was 25% off at my Comic Book store. But I actually don't want to read it cause I don't want to spoil the show! 8DAlrighty, your loss then :P
Alrighty, your loss then :P
Finished all the issues that are out so far... man, they don't hold back. Always hooked me in for more though. I watched the show, and there's quite a few changes so far, but not in a bad way. It's clear that they didn't want it to be a carbon copy of the comic, and it's probably better that way.
Hey, Quickie or PB- Since you two are the real big comic buffs on RPM, Ive got the entire Blackest night. (all of it, GL, GLC, Batman, Superman, everything that was and tied in with Blackest night-) What would you guys recommend the reading order as? it's a headache trying to figure it out.
Browsing around online gives me different orders. So its like "Ehhh... Which one is best..?"Don't get me started now that I am starting to remember it I think one month it was GL GLC then the next GL and GLC came out and I couldn't read them because BN still had not come out.
Hey, Quickie or PB- Since you two are the real big comic buffs on RPM, Ive got the entire Blackest night. (all of it, GL, GLC, Batman, Superman, everything that was and tied in with Blackest night-) What would you guys recommend the reading order as? it's a headache trying to figure it out.
Personally, the only one I found worth my time was BL: Flash. Pity about Boomerang Jr. though.
Hey, is there anything recent from Marvel worth reading?
I'm kinda in a comic mood, and want some Marvel fix.
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Cool biker name like 'Axel'Aw yis.
If you still haven't checked out the Darkwing Duck comic, here's some motivation.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y194/dakirbymaster/ladygagadarkwing.png)
Lady Gaga Darkwing. 'Nuff said.
I'll just leave this here.Haha, that's just awesome. Makes me want to pull out my Calvin & Hobbes books...
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HOLY [tornado fang]ing [parasitic bomb] YOU'RE BACK!(http://www.holamun2.com/files/images/mun2-images/news/peep-this/video-turbaconepic-thanksgiving-by-epic-meal-time.jpg)
YES! YES! THIS IS DELICIOUS!
What is that? Looks a little like a large ham, but...It is delicious.
"Goku is obviously more 'original' than pretty much any American superhero character"
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/house-of-1000-manga/2011-03-10
FFFFFFFFFFFFF That makes me rage. Goku is based on Superman, for God's sake! Hell, he IS Superman.
Technically he was based off of Sun Wukong but the similarities to Superman is there.He has the items of Sun Wukong. In any other thing, he is Superman. It's as obvious a homage as Disney's Hercules was.
FFFFFFFFFFFFF That makes me rage. Goku is based on Superman, for God's sake! Hell, he IS Superman.
Why is Hawk Man dubbed the most useless hero? And how can tell my friends that Aqua Man can do stuff besides calling fish?Because the dubbers and your friend have never read a worthy comic in their whole damn lives.
If only Superman was written as well as Batman right now...That's honestly because JMS sucks right now. But he's quit monthly comics, so he'll be out right after the Superman and Wonder Woman arcs.
Granted, Action Comics with Paul Cornell is crazy awesome, but it features Lex Luthor right now. Superboy as well but has a horrible artist holding it back. Supergirl... I'm in "wait and see" mode right now.
Well, you'll be pleased to know Damian appears in the latest Supergirl them.I know, I follow Supergirl.
One good thing about the latest JMS Superman issue is that it brought back the Superman Squad from DC One Million.
I know, I follow Supergirl.
- Failing to turn the easiest-to-make-good Brave and the Bold episode into something heartwarming, instead coming out just mediocre
Ah, sorry. I (wrongly) inferred that you stopped reading it. So what do you think of the current storyline then?So far? The nerd using Foursquare to destroy the world reeks of Marvel, but I'll have to read more to make an opinion.
Which one was that again? I haven't had the time to watch B&B.
I actually saw that episode, and it was hackneyed and a really bad first impression.Want a good first impression?
So apparently, Spider-Man no longer has his Spider-Sense.I... don't know what to say to that. That's unbelievably stupid.
...Wow.
I... don't know what to say to that. That's unbelievably stupid.Let's calm down, alright? Have any of you read the comic yet? I mean, when I first heard about the main idea for Blackest Night (canon superpowered zombies and corps of many colors) I found it the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Then I loved it. I'm gonna read the comic and check out the context of this "loss" before I say anything. I mean, did we already forget what freaky powers that "The Other" story gave him? Arm spikes and controlling spiders? Jesus, losing one power for an indeterminate amount of time might just be a simple bother.
Let's calm down, alright? Have any of you read the comic yet? I mean, when I first heard about the main idea for Blackest Night (canon superpowered zombies and corps of many colors) I found it the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Then I loved it. I'm gonna read the comic and check out the context of this "loss" before I say anything. I mean, did we already forget what freaky powers that "The Other" story gave him? Arm spikes and controlling spiders? Jesus, losing one power for an indeterminate amount of time might just be a simple bother.
Well we still have to see Hal vs. Guy, and Sodom Yat and the Daxamites are gonna join the fray soon I think. We'll see. And yeah, the Guardians thing was hilarious!Hal vs Guy wil certainly be entertaining, although I hope Johns doesn't write it, because he always seems to give Hal the upper hand on everything he does. I want a fair fight.
Hal vs Guy wil certainly be entertaining, although I hope Johns doesn't write it, because he always seems to give Hal the upper hand on everything he does. I want a fair fight.
And I hope Larfleeze escapes and starts wreaking havoc like the old days. What happened to all of his amazing godly powers of an entire corps?
Well he did lose his preciousHe did, but he's still got a ring and half a charge of an entire lantern corps.
LoL, he promised us Larfleeze's oath so we'll hear it soon enough. I'm also curious as to the backstory of the Indigo Tribe as well. LoL, and the new book Red Lantern should be interesting enough.They'll probably do it. Although Johns is planning some other Rebirth thing with Van Sciver, I've heard.
As for Johns, after Brightest Day is over with, I really really would love him and Reis to work on an Aquaman book, even though I know it probably won't do well.
I don't know if I would ever be interested enough in "Aquaman: Rebirth" to warrant buying it. Aquaman always struck me as a blander version of Namor the Sub-Mariner though Mera was always hawt. 8)
Here's what's stopping me from continuing reading what I'm reading.
Green Lantern. I'm about to finally hit Blackest Night. I see how it spans into all sorts of things and I wonder "Dear god, how much of this do I really need to read?". And being a bit of a glutton, I like to know everything going on. And then after that, doesn't Brightest Day span over frikken everything?
Like, what is the absolute essential and what can I skip?
Other than that, I'm dreading getting towards what's it called.. Batman, Inc? The whole concept just makes me weep.
If you want to follow Batman, then start with Batman & Son. It's the start of his run, and then follow through with Batman: The Black Glove, Batman: RIP, Final Crisis, and Batman & Robin (reading return of Bruce Wayne when you get to the part when it tells you to).Yeah, we've had this conversation before about the run up to Final Crisis with Batman. I'm trying to remember where I had stopped and it may have been just after Final Crisis. I know I've got Batman & Robin waiting for me somewhere around here when I get back to it.. Just, need to feel like it.
Yeah, we've had this conversation before about the run up to Final Crisis with Batman. I'm trying to remember where I had stopped and it may have been just after Final Crisis. I know I've got Batman & Robin waiting for me somewhere around here when I get back to it.. Just, need to feel like it.http://sites.google.com/site/theannotatedfinalcrisis/home
In a December interview with Newsarama, Johns said of Aquaman, "In my opinion, he’s up there with Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, the Flash and Green Lantern,"
I'm kinda interested to see how he'll end this whole Krona thing. I just want a story that ends the constant EVENT-AFTER-ANOTHER thing and just gives Hal a break for a bit before he goes into more epic quests to save the universe.
That was why I liked most of Johns' earlier work. He took the time to build a supporting cast, and that is the biggest weakness of Green Lantern right now. Whatever happened to his brother Jim and the rest of the family? We got an appearance in Blackest Night eighteen years ago but that's it and I'm disappointed. The definitive moment in "Sinestro Corps" was when Hal told his family to leave Coast City in GL #25 and his response was "Hell no!" Don't get me wrong, the book is doing fine right now but I am somewhat unsatisfied that we get the New Guardians for a supporting cast but Larfreeze and Sinestro aside, I'm not warming up to them a whole lot. Plus there's the fact that Hal rejoined the USAF at the beginning of the title, he's been AWOL a lot and I don't think he has that much leeway with his commanding officer. There are so many things that Johns has forgotten to address since he introduced us to the various Corps.Yeah, I know alot of stuff wasn't addressed, but I gotta say that the present cast still has too much to evolve. Johns has a certain way to evolve certain cast members. The commanding officer was a guy Hal disrespected back then. He was brought in so Hal could make peace with his ghosts of the past. He was simply used as a plot device after. And if he has any opinion about how Hal's been skipping so much work, he neverthless understands that an invasion of Black lanterns through the whole universe can get you alot of work. As far as Hal's brother, the very thing about him was his constant fear of danger. And the progression, from No Fear up to Sinestro Corps War, was for Coast City to acknowledge Green Lantern as the hero they trust, and for Hal's bro to lose his fear completely, having faith in the heroes to save them.
Come to think about it, what happened to Hector Hammond? Did Krona just remove the entity and toss him in a ditch? What about Hal's other foes? I remember there being mention of Evil Star from Blue Lantern, Sister Mercy a while back, and then there's Sonar who we haven't seen since about #4 or #5. I thought we would have seen something with him a while back.
So much missed potential. :'(
That was why I liked most of Johns' earlier work. He took the time to build a supporting cast, and that is the biggest weakness of Green Lantern right now. Whatever happened to his brother Jim and the rest of the family? We got an appearance in Blackest Night eighteen years ago but that's it and I'm disappointed. The definitive moment in "Sinestro Corps" was when Hal told his family to leave Coast City in GL #25 and his response was "Hell no!" Don't get me wrong, the book is doing fine right now but I am somewhat unsatisfied that we get the New Guardians for a supporting cast but Larfreeze and Sinestro aside, I'm not warming up to them a whole lot. Plus there's the fact that Hal rejoined the USAF at the beginning of the title, he's been AWOL a lot and I don't think he has that much leeway with his commanding officer. There are so many things that Johns has forgotten to address since he introduced us to the various Corps.
Come to think about it, what happened to Hector Hammond? Did Krona just remove the entity and toss him in a ditch? What about Hal's other foes? I remember there being mention of Evil Star from Blue Lantern, Sister Mercy a while back, and then there's Sonar who we haven't seen since about #4 or #5. I thought we would have seen something with him a while back.
So much missed potential. :'(
Ah, well. To each his own I suppose.That explains the "Fourty Cakes" reference.
Anyhow I found another tidbit (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/chris-roberson-superman-after-liftoff-110328.html) on Newsarama. Looks like, JMS' involvement in the later parts of the Grounded were minimal. So the whole bit about the Superman Squad was Roberson's idea. Interesting... I wonder what he plans to do when moves past JMS' sentence-length plots.
Well, the conclusion to Brightest Day came out and Action Comics #900 got some attention over Superman's citizenship (or perhaps lack thereof). Any impressions? I have to leave for work in about ten minutes so I can't give any specific commentary at the moment but I'd be interested in hear anyone's opinion when I return.
* A new title starring Superman written by Grant Morrison.
* Birds of Prey #1 - This new ongoing series will not feature the work of longtime "BoP" writer Gail Simone. In fact, many tried and true approaches to books will be getting a second look at DC in September.
* Teen Titans #1 - The new start for the teen team will be written by "Red Robin" scribe Fabian Nicieza.
* Justice Society of America #1 - Only one of a number of current titles that will welcome a creative team shift, the future of the original superhero team will apparently not involve current writer Marc Guggenheim.
* Wonder Woman #1 - Don't expect the recent changes from writer J. Michael Straczynski to stick when the Amazing Amazon sees another new #1 hit.
* Green Lantern #1 - Even with a new #1, Green Lantern remains in Johns' hands, and readers can expect the effects of major crossovers like "Blackest Night" to stay in place moving forward.
* Hawkman #1 - While fans have known a "Hawkman" series by James Robinson has been in the works since the writer mentioned it on a panel at New York Comic Con, Bleeding Cool's Rich Johnston has been reporting the rumor that the book will be drawn by "Batman & Robin" and "Outsiders" artist Philip Tan.
* Aquaman #1 - No surprises here. The already announced series featuring the sea king by Johns and Ivan Reis will be part of the relaunch wave.
Can anyone tell me what is the point depowering superheroes? Why do comicbook writers depower superheroes depsite having superpowers from different sources?Your question is kinda stupid, you know? I mean... isn't it obvious? They depower them because often it can provide a great concept for a story. Or because they want to get rid of some character (for a time). They depower them when they become too powerful, too.
Can anyone tell me what is the point depowering superheroes? Why do comicbook writers depower superheroes depsite having superpowers from different sources?Superman.
On the Spider-man frontier, I like both directions for 616 and Ultimate.
616 pretty much robbed Peter for his Spider-sense. Causing him to lose in hand to hand fights against people like--well, Jessica Drew (Spider-woman), but instead of having him get needlessly ass-pounded, Shang-Chi has been training him to fight. I shouldn't have to say how awesome that is to any Marvel fan seeing as how Shang-Chi is about top game when it comes to hand to hand combat.
Ultimate is running the "Death of Spider-man" arc. And while people are complaining about what happened (I won't spoil it unless asked.) It shows what makes Spider-man worth the title of "Hero." Rather than "hey! He has super-powers" or "Look at him punch that guy." It shows how far he's really willing to go for the sake of the people he cares about, which is done a lot in the 616 but Ultimate, it's a "What does Peter do AFTER someone's been hurt?"
I'm impressed on the righting in Ultimate more though.
Can anyone tell me what is the point depowering superheroes? Why do comicbook writers depower superheroes depsite having superpowers from different sources?
Superman.
That's all that needs to be said.
Comic Book Death why? If you are going to kill off a character then make sure he stays dead.Good God...
^ :\Well, I never said this kind of thing was GOOD writing.
Maybe it doesn't occur solely in superhero comics but still they shouldn't try and kill off characters if they are just oging to revive them back. It is jsut bad writing and its only good for shock value.
Making every single issue a #1 in the 90s, the considerable amount of "XXXTREEM" every comic book went, the way they changed everything for shock purposes and didn't keep up with the times are the reason comic books are almost dead right now.
Comic books are supposed to be a source of entertainment for the common man. Something which is supposed to uplift one's spirits instead of bringing them down. That's why newspaper funnies and the original 10 cents issues existed. For the purpose of pure entertainment which felt amazing in the hands of kids or men with unsatisfying lives.
Currently in Brasil, DC follows a trend of several comics. They have "DC Universe", which has the three main event comics to follow, and they have the Superman, Batman and GL family comics together as a 3-issue format instead of apart. They're much cheaper that way, and people find easier to follow the storyline. They're also printed in low-quality paper, so they're pick up, read and throw away ready, just like any other magazine. Manga in Japan follows that format too. I just wonder why DC and Marvel don't do it, considering it's beneficial to EVERYONE. I'm not saying make pages black and white, but there's a cheaper paper quality which allows things like some Vertigo comic TPBs to be very cheap.
Action Comics: Really good!
Animal Man: VERY awesome, looking forward to more, keeps with the true spirit of the character.
Batgirl: (barfs) Oh Simone, I didn't expect such crap from you.
Batwing: And I didn't expect such well-written stuff from Giffen! This is on par with my ideal vision of a Black Panther comic!
Detective Comics: Ew. Just ew. If Joker doesn't run around with John Travolta's face in the next issue, DROPPING.
Green Arrow: Standard Ollie stuff, not too excited about it. Also, hate the new design.
Hawk and Dove: Oh Liefeld. You haven't changed one bit. GRIMACES EVERYWHERE.
Justice League International: This is why the original JLI was un-canonized? Meh. Meeeeeeeeh.
Men of War: Amazing. I expect to see more of this.
OMAC: Pleasantly surprised that this issue didn't just get up from its shelf and [twin slasher] my mother, but I'm going to be cautious about it.
Static Shock: Classic Static. Pleasant surprise.
Stormwatch: Not as good as I expected, but I'm loving the horror in the comic. Let's hope they truly go all-out.
Swamp Thing: Feels right so far, but considering we only see Swamp Thing itself in a single page, I'm hoping for the true beginning next month.
Anyway, your veredicts, guys?
I can imagine myself picking up a "DC Universe" magazine every week, that collects the 6 or so issues of that week. They could even have any kind of page numbers, and SO much more ads. And more and more people would buy it. It could be on all newspaper stands, and translated in alot of languages.
Moviebob actually pretty much summed up he problem with comics. it isnt the continuoity thats the problem, its the advertising. They arent advertised out of OTHER COMICS or comic related magazines and such.
I finally got around to reading that Superman batman Annual No. 4, the Batman Beyond one....read the Superman Beyond #0 One-Shot.
I liked it. Was nice above all to return to Beyond era Superman. And I like how the villain was Lex Luthor, now an old man in a hoverchair. I mean, I suppose one DID sort of wonder what he was up to in that era, being an old man himself.
The fact that the colors on his chair were green and purple was a cute nod to his armors too.
The way Superman's characher became is interesting to read too. Hes a sad man, no Lois, and now that Luthor is peddling kryptonite laced drugs, he cant clean up Metropolis anymore, and instead simply resorted to indiscriminately sending criminals to the phantom zone.
When it was revealed, what instantly came to mind was JLU, when Superman Sent Doomsday to the Phantom Zone and got chewed out by Bruce for doing so, comparing him to Justice Lord Superman, playing Judge Jury and Executioner. (lampshaded by Terry commenting the same thing)
Supes deciding to leave and see the galaxy is fine, but his reasoning seems a bit, I dunno. weird. he wants to see the universe before he dies, because "Noones immortal" or something, but well, yeah, he isnt, but he still ages slowly, looking middle aged when hes probably in his late 80's by then. It would SEEM more like he wants to clear his head and meditate, ponder on his life and such, but he should have just SAID that.
Also, it seems weird that he went to the trouble of getting rid of criminals with the projector and using Terry to get to Luthor, being sad that he cant clean up the city, but once Luthor is gone and he is free to do so again... he doesnt.
I also now have even LESS idea what the hell the plates on his suit are for now.
I used to think that maybe since he was aged, the suit being black and all, it was designed to absorb sunlight better, and that maybe the plates were related to that- but now it seems they are pockets. :B I have no idea how [parasitic bomb] fits in them either. They are pretty flat.
In the end, only complaint is I wish it was longer.
I got a hold of Green Lantern Corps 1, and Supergirl 1. Place was out of GL 1 though.GL books act as if nothing about the reboot happened. I like that.
I really like the new Super Girl Suit. I really like it. The haircut is cool too. Reminds me of Power Girl.
Say, with the New 52 and all that, does that mean previous things like the Batman Beyond comics are canceled? And I assume we wont be seeing a Superman Beyond #1.
On another note, I also bought Batman Beyond #1 and Superman Beyond #0. (I read SB, but I liked it, so I figured id buy it)
The Beyond Universe is currently being given quite alot of attention, and alot of love with that recent comic series, the one-shot stories, the integration of a separate Beyond-like continuity in the normal DC Universe with Damian mentoring Terry McGinnis...I actually keep seeing on that Release date list floating around the web, Januay being tossed around with Batman Beyond in it, but supposedly unconfirmed.
We're gonna see more of it, guaranteed.
Also, Bats #1 and Wondy #1 ruled. Wondy specially is the best thing I've ever seen her be the main character of. If it keeps on being as good, it'll be the best Wonder Woman run there is, and we'll finally have amazing Wondy books to speak of.
I finally get to go to the store and pick them up today.What I love the most about the new Batman, is that Snyder isn't being his usual crime dude thing man. In Detective Comics, he did Detective Stories. In here, he actually does BATMAN. Doing what Batman does best.
I had no doubt that Batman #1 was going to be awesome, cause Snyder is easily one of the best things DC has going for it right now. I was hoping Wonder Woman would be good, cause I love yelling out WONDER WOMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN like the old TV show song!
Oh dear Lord.
have you seen this..?
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/7991/supermancostume0.jpg
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That looks [tornado fang]ing terrible. It's like the Batman & Robin movie all over again.Is it silvery, with pointy nipples? No. It looks like the comic book version, which is what people keep bitching about all the time for superhero movie costumes to look like.
Also, it seems Clark Kent wont have Glasses? Theres at least 2 screens of him as Clark, without glasses.Clark doesn't need glasses, he uses them as a disguise. Maybe he's not with people at the time, or he's simple removing them to reveal the costume after.
they are his ONLY disguise.Someone here doesn't know Supes has pretty much the best secret identity in DC.
The glasses thing is mostly a joke. Hal Jordan's secret identity is known by all close people, Wonder Woman shows her face publically, and even Bruce Wayne's secret identity has been found out by Joker, the Riddler, Ra's Al Ghul and Hugo Strange.
But nobody ever finds out who Superman is, other than in rare occasions. Well, that and Batman. But it's okay. He's Batman.
Because Batman pulling off a person mask is more realistic.
Oh back to Batman, dont forget hes also used Glasses+Mustache+Match to disguise Bruce Wayne as Matches Malone.
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Putting it this way to nerds here. If you suddenly got a really popular face, without your real name attached to it, how many of those popular kids from high school who never give you a second glance would connect it to you?
Basically the same thing.
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Morrison and Quitely really nail him with the way they portray him as an everyman instead of an all-powerful being. Basically, he's more human than most humans. That's what makes him SuperMAN.
I'd really recomend some reading of the original Golden Age Superman stories by Siegel and Shuster. They're still current, now more than ever due to the economic crisis, and the way they're portrayed, is probably one of the most amazing descriptions of humanity I've ever read in a single character. He didn't even face supervillains back then. Heck, the first superpowered creature he ever faced (and it was the only one for a long time, since it was a "comedy" issue) was Mr Mxyzptlk. But he just fights corporate evil, corrupt officials and dishonest crooks, not by simply using his strength, but by using his head to make out a plan, and his strength as a tool.
Yeah that really is the best thing about him. Despite being an Alien from another world and practically a God on ours, he is still the most Human person you will ever encounter. He does what he does as Superman because he's a good person and wants to help others, be it capture a bank robber, help an old lady cross the street, or inspire little kids to be good people and be successful in life. And even as Superman, he doesnt carry himself as a God or as superior to anyone- He carries himself as a normal guy, a guy who you shouldnt be afraid or intimidated to approach despite his incredible powers and imposing presence.
Okay, for a second, pretend you have the powers of Superman. You can fly around the world in mere minutes, fly, move faster than a speeding bullet, fly, are invulernable, more powerful than a locomotive, fly and show everyone that you practically have the powers of a god. You feed off the energy of our sun, and essentailly spend most of your days helping people all over the world at any given moment. You have a home in the Arctic, you can fly to the moon and back, and have grand adventures with other beings with powers and abilites far beyond those of mortal men. You don't need money, as you don't really need anything like food, slter, clothes, or other materialistic things.
Would you have a day job? Would you deal with the everyday bullshit that the rest of us mere mortals do? The majority of people wouldn't because what would be the point. That's one of the things that actually makes Clark Kent so special. He does, because he thinks himself as a human while everyone else sees him as a god, and who thinks a god has a day job?
That is what makes his disguise work so well. Other heroes are men posing as something more. Some are gods, like Wonder Woman, and she presents herself as such. And Superman comes off similar to Diana, as a god, an alien, an otherworldly being from Krypton, and he doesn't hide his face. That's why his disguise works, because he doesn't wear a mask. The idea of him not wearing a mask is so that people trust him, and because he spends pretty much all his time saving the world and helping humanity, they do trust him.
It is the lack of a mask, the lack of mystery,the scope of his powers, and the confidence and trust of people why people don't think he is Clark Kent even though Clark looks like him, is because Clark Kent is just a man, like everyone else, whereas Superman is a god.
In Action Comics #900, Luthor obtains the powers of a God, and tries to find Superman's most painful memory and Lex is shocked when he finds out that it's the death of Pa Kent. In that moment, he finds out that Clark is Superman and he can't believe it. He always saw Superman as a god who looked down upon humanity, but comes to find out that Superman was as human as everyone else, and it absolutely infuriates Lex. He sees it as a mockery of his intelligence, as he both knows Superman and Clark, and even he could not put two and two together, because to him, like pretty much everyone else, the very idea of Clark Kent defies logic and reason.
That's why I love Superman so much. It's an idea of someone who was raised by kind, loving parents and who just tries to do the right thing with all his abilities.
You know all this talk about Superman being a human and interesting character made me realize that Supes is a lot more than I give him credit for. I use to think of him as brick charactger with almost no personality until I got my hands on Alan Moore's "Whatever happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" and it shocked as it made me realize that Supes is a human like everyone else. Maybe I should read those Golden age books, I use to think of Superman as a flat character with no personality or depth at all but reading these posts helped me to understand why he is loved by so many people.
Superman isn't an all powerful being, he is an average joe like everyone else....okay, maybe not so average. :P
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/1317215594624.jpg)The [tornado fang] is this?
FUUUUUUUUCK YOU FIIIIIIIIIIIIIINCH.
Can't. Unsee. >^<Kinda meh. I dunno what is up with Gail Simone lately. She's usually awesome.
Does anyone have any opinions on the Fury of Firestorm? Ye gads Yildray Cinar is really improving his art.
Hm...Kingdom Come.
I was just thinking, compared to what supervillains do every other year or so, wouldn't 9/11 have been... ordinary? Was there a comic where a character (or better yet, done with multiple perspectives) reflected on that, and how war and peace went on even with metahumans around? How, though individuals may be weak, people still managed to reach this point - war and suffering included.
In an universe where such is applicable, it could also look at how humanity had progressed even before metahumans became relatively common.
Or would this be boring and trite?
Kinda meh. I dunno what is up with Gail Simone lately. She's usually awesome.
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I was too busy looking at the art, but maybe we can (partly) blame Ethan Van Sciver for the writing deficiencies because he plotted it from what I understand.
Guess that means no Power Girl.Nope, Karen's there. Just that every important thing that happened in the Crisis events will be turned into something that happened in the hero's past and no epic stuff will have ever taken place in the past.
Nope, Karen's there. Just that every important thing that happened in the Crisis events will be turned into something that happened in the hero's past and no epic stuff will have ever taken place in the past.
Looks like the first month of the much-hyped “New 52” relaunch has come and passed and the results look promising with Justice League going through four printings but only time will tell if DC comics can maintain this momentum. For my part, I’m not very pleased with how it turned out for a number of reasons; the foremost of them being how abrupt the news arrived. I started May 31, 2011 believing that Flashpoint—the event series that preceded the New 52—was going to be an “Age of Apocalypse” scenario where everything would go revert back to the previous continuity upon it conclusion. I was mistaken in that belief; on the pages of USA Today I read that DC would reboot their characters and I felt betrayed as a loyal fan and customer.
Long-running titles like Action Comics, Detective Comics, and recently renumbered Wonder Woman and Adventure Comics were going to be going back to number one or canceled in the case of Adventure. A tactic Marvel made famous to boost the sales of their titles of their more iconic characters because everyone knows how collectors love new number ones. Then “all” their characters would undergo a “complete” reboot, note the quotation marks because I quickly learned that would not be the case. Over the interim three months I learned that the Batman and Green Lantern would have their respective histories intact, albeit highly condensed, because the former is a cash cow for DC Comics and the latter is Geoff Johns’ baby and to hell with consistency if it interferes with his plans. As if things couldn’t get more confusing, events like “Blackest Night”, and “Brightest Day” still happened as shown despite DC rebooting several many key characters (like Hawkman and Firestorm.)
This is what I like to call the “cherry-picking” method of retconning where the author “reboots” their universe but picks certain storylines to integrate into their “rebooted” universe. Trouble is that a reboot means you start from scratch to avoid all the baggage from the previous continuity and to explain it only opens more plot contrivances. Take the reboots of Superman and Wonder Woman after Crisis on Infinite Earths; though both characters got a complete reboot two other titles, Legion of Super-Heroes and New Teen Titans continued business as usual except Superman was never a number of the Legion and Donna Troy/Wonder Girl appeared before Wonder Woman. To make things even more confusing, Wonder Woman’s membership in Justice League of America became null and void yet all their adventures still happened, except Black Canary took her place as a founding member. (Since when did BC bench press girders and tie her enemies in a lariat again?) That’s not even delving into the absolute messes that Legion of Super-Heroes and Hawkman became after the post-CoIE universe became once it turned into a rampant retcon fest,
How does this tie into the “New 52?” you may ask. My point is this: either ALL the stories before Flashpoint happened or they did NOT, there is no “SOME.” It simply jars me to read that nothing happened in Green Lantern post-Flashpoint and we get an “all-new, all-different” history for Fury of Firestorm that begins in present time when the character played a key role in Brightest Day. Is Dan Didio going to try to pull a fast one on me and replace him with another character as DC Comics’ editorial tried with Wonder Woman and Black Canary twenty years ago?
Ugh. The very thought of it gives me a headache.
Something tells me that DC Comics wants to do a complete reboot but their no editorial will to rein in the big dogs (I’m looking at Geoff Johns) and the coordination need is well beyond their means. Hence the audience is stuck with another half-hearted attempt and a major migraine that a life preserver-sized aspirin cannot fix. There is nothing wrong with the core concept of their characters but they cannot decide on what direction they want to take with their characters. After so many false starts with Infinite Crisis, Countdown, Blackest Night, among so many others, it feels like Dan Didio is jerking the fandom’s chains for short-term and negligible gains and I—as a longtime fan—had enough of it.
It's been a while since I read the rules but I'm going to x-post from my blog (http://mysticalmonotreme.blogspot.com/) and hope I'm not breaking them. It sums up my feeling on the imminent cluster-[tornado fang] I see DC getting itself into with the New 52.Agreed on pretty much EVERYTHING you said. Lemme just make my things.
Please be gentle on me. O^O
I think this guy said it even better than I did... and in a Boston accent no less: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/4132-Continanity-RebootedI don't like Movie Bob, but he makes a good point.
I dunno if you've read the first issues of Ultimate Spider-Man way back when they came out, but the story is actually supposed to mirror the older issues. He discovers his first power in the last page of the first issue, and it goes from there.(http://www.thekliqnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/NewUltimateSpiderMan.jpeg)The New Ultimate Spider-Man has been okay. It's still very much in the introductory phase, but I feel like the pacing might be a little slow. Two issues are out and still no Spidey? Plus, the new Spider-Man is a junior high kid. I'm not sure if Marvel is attempting to attract a younger demographic, but there's something that needs to be said about young super heroes: it's too damn easy for them to get caught up in meaningless sub-plots.
"Oh, my goodness! I need to save this guy, but the dance is in five minutes!!"
"Oh, my goodness! My super powers are being used as a metaphor for puberty!!"
"Oh, my goodness! I need to study for my test tomorrow, but I need to stop my evil clone from ruining my social life!!"
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On the other hand...
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Marry me, Lemire.
Supes is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo SMUG!
Hell yeah. Scrooge McDuck and Donald Duck can together bring down universes.
Anyone ever heard of Paperinink/Superduck/Duck Avenger? He's popular in Europe. It's Donald's Batman alter ego, who patrols the streets of Duckberg and does stuff like question the Beagle Boys in an alley, or face off against entire alien invasions.
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In certain cases, he goes beyond what Batman has ever done. And he's a professional who's never been found out, and has Gyro build him all of his gadgets.
He's called "Phantomias" here as far as I recall.It's because he was originally designed as a gentleman thief.
And holy crap I totally forgot about him.
Thanks for reminding me.
And you can browse through The Life And Times Of Scrooge McDuck, the most epic Disney thing ever created, as well as every Disney comic made by Don Rosa, here:
http://disneycomics.free.fr/index_rosa_date.php
Almost all of them are out of print and not likely to be republished. Which is a shame, really.
Don Rosa makes great stories, but then he's also got that distinct style that fits the ducks so well. They're more clearly defined, rather than other artists that makes them seem sort of rubbery, like slapstick cartoons.It depends on the story, really. I've seen the very detailed art he makes go completely wrong and not be suitable for certain stories at times.
Danny: Bendis has been the Dungeon Master of Marvel for SIX YEARS now, making his Avengers run this mega-epic that will surely overshadow all subsequent Avengers runs for years to come.
Oh dear lord, this quote I found (http://www.comicsbulletin.com/topten/131896456653483.htm) on Top Ten Creative Team Shake-Ups worried me.Bendis is really good in Ultimate Spidey, but when it comes to events and such, and specially in teams, Bendis seriously sucks. They keep him on the team because he brings money.
Maybe I'm in the minority here but I deeply dislike (http://mysticalmonotreme.blogspot.com/2011/10/sometimes-marvel-worries-me.html) his run on the Avengers. Nothing about it felt Avenger-y to me--especially Secret Invasion.
Fear Itself just ended. It was pretty terrible.So what do you think the next event will be?
Fear Itself just ended. It was pretty terrible.Ye gads, why did I sit through seven issues of this?
Fear Itself just ended. It was pretty terrible.
Since I don't read many if any comics, could you into more detail? I'm curious.Hammers descend to Earth about other imprisoned gods other than Thor, and suddenly, EVERYONE IS THORS.
Btw, because of Nova and Rocket Raccoon in MvC3 I've been getting interested in cosmic Marvel, what do you guys recommend me to do?
Hammers descend to Earth about other imprisoned gods other than Thor, and suddenly, EVERYONE IS THORS.
Oh, and there's this God of Fear thing which makes everyone lose all hope and feel that the whole world's about to end and there's nothing they can do about it, so they just run away. The whole thing was pretty meaningless and they killed off BuckyCap.
Just read Death:The High Cost of Living, and Death: The Time of Your LifeTried Sandman yet?
I liked them very much. The art is nice too.
DC decides to go through with Watchmen 2. (http://io9.com/5864267/we-warned-you-watchmen-2-is-really-happening)
Well, sort of. Discuss.
It was [parasitic bomb]. It was the Spidey-MJ thing I hated the most about it, because they're still [tornado fang]ing doing it. They're still dealing with the whole Spidey-MJ bullshit scenario of teasing that they'll get back together, which they won't, and what makes it worse is that she literally serves no purpose in the [tornado fang]ing story other than to tease this fact.
I am pretty much on Alan Moore's side on this, this is complete [parasitic bomb] and DC cannot come up with original content on their own accord. They have to rely on Moore's ideas from 25 years ago to make them some money.
I can see what you mean about the Spider-MJ thing but I actually kind of liked Spider-island. If for the fact that it focused on him being Peter Parker is what makes him important more than Spider-Man. He's got the powers and all, but his mind is his most dangerous weapon. The way they've been writing Spidey lately has him working more on his personal life and actually making use of his own abilities outside of the super-powered ones. (And honestly, an intelligent super hero that doesn't pull a Hank Pym or Reed Richards is needed badly.)
Moore's in not much of a position to criticize DC considering that "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" used Victorian Age (and later) characters. Not that it makes it less a worthwhile story but those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Well, the fact that Peter made deal with the devil realllllllllly undermines him as a hero. Spider-Man is all about responsibility but Pete couldn't live with the guilt over what happened to Aunt May and instead of accepting responsibility for the consequences of his actions (revealing your secret ID on national television is never a good idea though we have Iron Man to thank for it, I guess but Peter still listened), he took the easy way out. Joe Quesada wants to try to spin this as a noble sacrifice on the part of Peter and MJ but I don't think the fandom's buying it. Hell, he should have let JMS go the extra mile and bring Gwen Stacy back. Why does Peter need the baggage when Mephisto can erase the guilt for something as trivial as marriage?
For as brilliant Spider-Man is now compared to previous eras, the stain of "One More Day" will not go away until a far more capable editor (maybe Marvel should have Jim Shooter on speed dial) retcons the mess out of existence. So until that day I will hold fast in my belief that Ben Reilly was the real, original Spider-Man and "Peter Parker" was the clone.
Maybe radioactive spider bites make people more brittle.
No. It was not indirectly her fault for her getting shot.
Everything that happened prior to One More Day was 100% his fault. Even with all the pleading in the world from MJ & May, Peter unmasking himself to the world was the absolute stupidest thing he's ever done in his life, because above every other superhero he knows first hand what happens when psychos find out who you are under the mask. First. Hand. And there was NO reason for him to do it. None. At all. The Registration Act just wanted them to reveal their identities to SHIELD & the Govt., not everyone. He should've known EXACTLY what was going to happen when he removed his mask, and it did happen because Marvel decided to make Peter an absolute [tornado fang]ing moron for a stupid event comic.
One More Day is the culmination of about 4-5 years of horrifyingly awful Spidey writing, from the Gwen Stacy thing to the Other to Civil War. It was a perfect exclamation point on the sad sad state of my favorite Marvel hero, a hero so poorly written that in the end it showed he had NO responsibility at all, from moronically unmasking in Civil War for the sole purpose of an event comic to having all his horrifyingly bad writing & problems caused by it magically erased. It undermines everything he was all because of horrible writing, terrible event comics, and Quesada wanting Spidey not to be married.
Spidey comics are indeed a whooooooole lot better now. Sure, I didn't care for Spider-Island that much, but you bring up reasons why you do, which is good. That's what comics are all about. As much as I didn't care for Spider-Island, it doesn't even come close to the god awful Spider-Man comics before One More Day. The fact that they are now better is both good and bad because them being much better is obviously good, what's bad is that them being much better has absolutely NOTHING to do with Peter not being married to MJ. It has more to do with the fact that THEY'RE ACTUALLY WELL WRITTEN COMICS!!!
Comics that remind me of the Clone Saga are always harder for me to judge.
When she supported the idea of him removing his mask, she accepted the fact that she would and could be put in the line of fire. She admitted this in Amazing Spider-Man 532 page 23. 24, 25. (Depending on where you got your print. (God I am a nerd....super nerd. But I have my stack of comics in order. :P)
"Every day prosecutors and judges and governors and senators go to work. Knowing their loved ones may be jeopardized by their work. But they don't wear masks to work. Do you know why? Because their loved ones want it that way. Because they would rather die than see the fact they love, the face that gives so much to the world, covered in shame. Some things are worth the risk, Peter. You're one of them."
She encouraged him to unmask when he was very unwilling to do so. It is not her fault. No, (Poor choice of words) however she did enable for this to occur even when MJ was on his side about not unmasking at first. May took the risk and she was almost killed over it. In fact, he was ready to withdraw his money and leave instead of unmasking until she stopped him the next morning. His aunt put herself in that situation and gave him bad advice with good intention.
I agree and disagree. When it comes down to it, it was Peter who took the action itself. So we agree there. It was stupid as hell for him to do it, another point we agree on. However, Peter's case was different. He was under the protection of Tony Stark while living in the tower. Tony manipulated him rather than talked to him about it. He used his family against him and put him in the corner. Page 15/16:
"I want you at my side, Peter. But I need you as both Peter...and Spider-Man. Openly. I'm saying that because of my position. I have to make sure everything is on the up-and-up. That means that the only way that Peter Parker can work with me--is if Spider-Man unmasks."
"It's not me asking, Peter. If you DON'T unmask, you'll be like the other powers who defy the law. Wanted criminals. Hunted. Jailed. Not just you, but MJ and your aunt, because they'd be considered accomplices. If you turn against the law, I can't have you with me. I won't be able to protect you...or your family."
He was clearly manipulated and not even given the choice to just give his identity to S.H.I.E.L.D. But rather the choice to either go all in, or be arrested and his family jailed. That gives little to no room but to either run, or fight and be caught and watch his family pay for it. Damned if you do, Damned if you don't.
Agreed. My point is that Peter's reactions to these situations are understandable. Not -correct- but understandable for someone put in the situation when never asked to be. Not that OMIT is great. I'd rather use that as toilet paper rather than...whatever one's select toilet paper may be.
Agreed again. I do like what happened in OMIT or OMD, or BND for the most part. I took BND in stride for the sake of the idea of Peter trying to get his life back together...which took too long for Big Time to start and was painful. The Gauntlet however was enjoyable as well as Grim Hunt. As far as MJ goes, I simply don't think they should have been married at all given her commitment issues and selfish levels of herself.
But you are right, those stories could have happened just as easily WITH them married and it would have meant little difference outside of less Carlie. In which...who really cares about her? I mean...really? Overall can we agree to one point? Joe Quesada should have just stuck to art and drawing rather than involving himself in plot points, writing or character direction? On a different note, I finally got around to reading and finishing Annihilation series... Marvel needs to make more quality like this and no more crap like Fear Itself.
As strange as it sounds, I actually have a fondness for the Clone Saga (despite it being a train wreck) and plan to get all the trades as they come.
Should I have my head checked? :P
To each their own. I wouldn't wipe my ass with it.
I don't like what happened in OMIT or OMD, or BND for the most part.
WHOA! That was a hell of an accident. I meant to say
My mistake on that part. Strike that one from the record. :| I do not like that garbage. (Shows you should proof read, ladies and gentlemen.)
PB, fair enough on the decrease of Peter's intelligence. I think the highest mature decision he's made lately was Spider-Island's "chance" for him to get rid of his powers. And he responded with "Why would I do that? One way or another, these powers are a gift. Getting rid of them would be irresponsible. My uncle raised me better than that." Again, my bad on that one.
Quesada
Yeah, it recycles a lot of animation (which the 60s show did even more egregiously) and its quality is below Batman: TAS, and the network censors truncated it by removing realistic handguns and hand-to-hand combat.
Spectacular Spider-Man is probably the best cartoon Spidey's ever had. The problem with the 90's Spidey cartoon is that it had much stronger competition at the time from the Batman cartoon & the X-Men cartoon. The X-Men animated series was extremely well done pretty much for it's entire run until they changed the animation style towards the end.
Spectacular Spider-Man is probably the best cartoon Spidey's ever had. The problem with the 90's Spidey cartoon is that it had much stronger competition at the time from the Batman cartoon & the X-Men cartoon. The X-Men animated series was extremely well done pretty much for it's entire run until they changed the animation style towards the end.what about X men Evolution? I thought that was pretty good too.
Recently started reading Invincible.
Liking it so far, I think I'll continue.
what about X men Evolution? I thought that was pretty good too.
@Protoman Blues Why does Superman get deconstructed a lot in comics?
@Protoman Blues Why does Superman get deconstructed a lot in comics?
@Protoman Blues Why does Superman get deconstructed a lot in comics?What else are you going to do with him? Attack him? He's invulnerable. Threaten his loved ones? He'll freeze breath your face off. Use one of his weaknesses? [sonic slicer] please. He'll just go so fast he goes back in time
Use one of his weaknesses? [sonic slicer] please. He'll just go so fast he goes back in time
In the sixties, yes. But Supes has gotten slower in his old age.
Haha, by slower you mean "not god" and all that!I heard he also pulled a hernia what he attempted to tow the Moon on a chain. Maybe he should let the younger guys like Captain Marvel do the heavy lifting now.
Wait, you HAVEN'T been reading The Flash? Holy crap, it's AWESOME!! Not only did I like the story, but it's only under Batwoman for the best art in comics right now. Francis is incredible!Not only that he's been on schedule for these past six months when a lot of other artists have difficultly keeping up. He's really bringing his "A" game this time.
And Fury of Firestorm was absolutely garbage. I stopped caring after the 2nd issue. They managed to do the impossible and make Ronnie & Jason even more insufferable together then they were in Brightest Day.You know it's bad when a longtime fan of ol' Matchstick can't defend it. As I said, I liked some stuff (and I forgot to mention that I kind of like old supporting cast member Cliff Carmichael becoming a snarky mercenary) it's horrible on the whole. What really gets me is the senseless violence, remember the first issue where Cliff and Co. tortured a scientist and shot up a High School. I'm better off reading the original Gerry Conway-penned issues.
Correct me if I am wrong here, but is it me or is Superman -extremely- selfish? I think I agree with Lex's opinion about the fortress of solitude. Superman could advance humanity by thousands of years, even cure diseases but he keeps it to himself. His actions save lives but when ever it comes down to something he really wants out of a situation he throws out the more responsible choice for a outcome that HE wants. Even if Batman tells him "Bad idea. Don't do this." I could be wrong, but is it part of his character to allow his powers to get to his head sometimes and make a decision because he has the power to do it?
Correct me if I am wrong here, but is it me or is Superman -extremely- selfish? I think I agree with Lex's opinion about the fortress of solitude. Superman could advance humanity by thousands of years, even cure diseases but he keeps it to himself. His actions save lives but when ever it comes down to something he really wants out of a situation he throws out the more responsible choice for a outcome that HE wants. Even if Batman tells him "Bad idea. Don't do this." I could be wrong, but is it part of his character to allow his powers to get to his head sometimes and make a decision because he has the power to do it?That makes Lex a bit of a hypocrite, doesn't it? He has the brains and technology to advance humanity and cure disease yet he uses it to advance his grudge again Superman because the Man of Steel bruised his precious ego. Maybe, we have a justification there.
Wasn't Renee Montoya/The Question a lesbian? Oh yeah...reboot >_>Dunno but...
She still around?
http://now.msn.com/entertainment/0520-dc-gay-character.aspx (http://now.msn.com/entertainment/0520-dc-gay-character.aspx)http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/dc_comics_green_lantern_to_be_revealed_Yt2uNktuzmrrWSbkIRIDbO
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/05/20/dc-comics-to-switch-established-characters-sexual-orientation-soon/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/05/20/dc-comics-to-switch-established-characters-sexual-orientation-soon/)
"I'm trying to re-design the whole team here," the writer said of his approach to redesigning the team in a recent interview with Newsarama. "My approach to the designs was to match them to the characters and to update the look. Double-breasted jackets and outer space adventure don't really fit these days."
"I have been in touch with the movie studio guys and we are all tossing design ideas around, so hopefully we can have some unity between the movie and comic looks."
YESSSSSSSSSS (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=50309)
I heard good things about it as well.
So... any thoughts on DC Rebirth thus far? Things look very promising so far, but financial constraints will keep me from picking up many books. Though I think Green Lanterns looks promising so far, I hesitate to pick it up and I do not think I will pick up Hal Jordan and The Green Lantern Corps after the Rebirth issue. The Superman titles look interesting now the the pre-Flashpoint Supes is back in the cape.
I can hardly wait until Super-Sons to see what trouble Damian and John will get into. Still waiting for announcements on Atom and Legion of Super-Heroes.
Has Moore said anything about that DCU Rebirth #1 yet?
I still have toillegally download the comics onto my tabletget the issues, cause I'm definitely interested.