Topic: Super Smash Bros. Thread

[Protoman Blues]

It's always a good story to tell!

[Blue Valkyrie]

That costume looks surprisingly good.

[Protoman Blues]

Charge shot looks awesome with him. Thankfully I'm already kinda skilled with the gunner, but now I HAVE to master him.

[Blue Valkyrie]

X is the other costume right?

[Protoman Blues]

It sure is! 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Ooo...might have to try that one out.

[Hypershell]

Does anyone else notice that the people you played with before the patch came out was fine, but are now are lag-fests after the patch? Or is it just me?

It's probably server traffic.  There's a LOT of people wanting to take Mewtwo online.  I don't believe I've played a single match where I was the only one using him (at least not when I had a full 4 players, anyway).

[Protoman Blues]

Hey Shell. Wanna throw down?

[Soultrigger]

Barely missed Walmart. Sadness.

[Police Girl]

If somebody at Nintendo isn't taking notes on how disastrous this amiibo wave has turned out in terms of preorders and [parasitic bomb] going up at obscenely early times in the morning or during normal school/work hours then I have no hopes for Wave 5 being any better.

[The Great Gonzo]

I guess there's always importing? European and UK pre-orders sold out pretty quickly, too, but AFAIK amiibo that are rare over here were much easier to find there.

Wave 5 in the US is just Palutena and Dark Pit, so maybe there'll be more to go around?

[Police Girl]

HAHA, as if.

I'm betting Pit level scarcity. Because "lol who these characters they're not mario or pikachu they won't sell"

By the way, Pac-man, Wario, Splatoon 3-Pack are still up on Walmart.

[The Great Gonzo]

Hrm...I kinda want to secure a Pac-Man, but I need to save money (if only for Marth and/or Ike, if Greninja's a bust). It sounds like he'll common, though.


Also, speaking of Pit. I had him and Shulk pre-ordered from YesAsia, since I am reasonably certain that those two aren't getting a US re-stock any time soon (maybe Shulk wrt: Xenoblade 3D, but the GameStop clerk I brought that up to was doubtful). Here's to hoping all goes well.

[Sakura Leic]

I just had a random thought, I'm kind of tempted to vote for Axl on the poll even though there's no way it'll ever happen for a multitude of reasons.  I mean I can see a lot of potential in him with his standard duel guns, hovering, other guns and transformations.  There's a lot things that would make him unique but at the same time I wouldn't even know what kind of Final Smash would be good for him.

Like I said this is just a random thought I just had.

[Satoryu]

I haven't touched the poll cause I seriously doubt Nintendo is going to look at it seriously at all. In the end, no matter who got the most votes, they're just going to go with whoever they feel is worth it. We've been through this before, guys. Remember Marvel 3?

[Hypershell]

I'd be surprised if they even made the results public (not that I don't expect them to share highlights or something, I'm just saying I'm not expecting totals/percentages).  From day one I doubted it was a literal ballot at all; we all know Sakurai gets the final word, plus if a third party character wins then there's a matter of whether or not all concerned can agree on terms and ya-de-ya.  I think they're just throwing out a convenient way for them to gauge interest, but what they do with it is still anyone's guess.

[Soultrigger]

I was skeptical about the datamine leak thinking it might've been some overdue April Fool's joke, but a bug in Classic mode for the 3DS where you fight Kirby characters on Battlefield leads me to believe that the leak is in fact legit. Reddit thread

I can definitely see Ryu being chosen as a third party (in spite of SFV being a PS4 exclusive...), but Roy strikes me as a really odd choice, primarily because him having a fanfare file points to him being an entire character, rather than say a costume of Marth with ph1r3. For those that don't know, every unique character has their own fanfare file, even though many are identical (e.g. Mario, Luigi, Peach, Dr. Mario):
snd_bgm_Z01_F_Mario_3DS
snd_bgm_Z09_F_Luigi_3DS
snd_bgm_Z13_F_Peach_3DS
snd_bgm_Z60_F_MarioD_3DS

However, alternate characters like Olimar/Alph and the Koopalings share the same file:
snd_bgm_Z25_F_Pikmin_3DS
snd_bgm_Z70_F_Koopajr_3DS

With Roy, I can't help but think:
-"another Marth?"
-"another 'Roy'?"
-"another Fire Emblem character?"
-"isn't Roy one of the worst lords in the series?"
-"why do they care about Roy again if he has nothing recent coming out? Are they going to announce a localized Mother 3/Binding Blade Virtual Console port or something?"

Sakurai has been confirmed to be making an appearance at some Fire Emblem 25th anniversary event. Link Roy

EDIT: I should also add, Smash 4 uses the same filename convention of Brawl, and that the unused Mewtwo and Roy fanfare in Brawl is actually different from the patched ones:
snd_bgm_Z38_FMYU2
snd_bgm_Z39_FROY

snd_bgm_Z80_F_Mewtwo_3DS.nus3bank
snd_bgm_Z81_F_Ryu_3DS.nus3bank
snd_bgm_Z82_F_Lucas_3DS.nus3bank
snd_bgm_Z83_F_Roy_3DS.nus3bank

For further reading: https://sourcegaming.wordpress.com/2015/04/18/all-about-ryu-and-roys-files/

[Police Girl]

Honestly, as much as more characters sounds nice, I'd rather they tweak the [tornado fang]ing AI to not cheat constantly on 9.0 difficulty in classic. It doesn't matter if I play aggressive or passive, the constant frame-perfect Air Dodging, Perfect Shields, and Counters are getting on my [tornado fang]ing nerves and it makes me feel like I'm just no good at the game because the AI can just read my inputs.

Hell, [tornado fang]ing Classic on the Wii U version is a bucket of ass already, less free-for-all (AKA gang up on player one because they're not superior AI race) and more CLASSIC MODE.

I don't even know why I play this game, the only draw for me is Single-Player and the Wii U version seems adamant in making you NOT want to play that mode because of how bullshit it gets at higher difficulties. Leaving what, fighting AIs in Smash mode? Because I'm not touching online.

[The Great Gonzo]

Hasn't the Smash series always had problems with the AI being clairvoyant in the highest difficulty settings?


So, if it's reasonably certain that Roy will finally come back--I'm guessing that he'd be de-cloned and given a unique moveset, since it'd be silly to have three clones. Would his appearance be based on Melee/The Binding Blade or Awakening?

Can't say I'm as enthusiastic about Ryu as Roy, but I'm not really complaining. I sure hope that their amiibo won't be a bastard-and-a-half to track down (dunno about Roy, but Ryu's relatively well-known), at least.

We've got three returning veterans (well, they're veterans now), one newcomer, and two unknowns. D'ya think the lattermost will be newcomers as well?

[Police Girl]

Hasn't the Smash series always had problems with the AI being clairvoyant in the highest difficulty settings?

The AI in cruel would chase you off the stage to their deaths in the previous games. They don't anymore and instead camp for you to come back.
Brawl's intense difficulty AI was not nearly as Air-Dodge/Perfect Shield spam happy, and they also wouldn't just stand right outside of the range of your smash attacks.

Really most of my issues stem from whatever "improvements" they made to the AI.

[Hypershell]

The weirdest thing I've noticed about the AI is that, even on lower difficulties sometimes, the computer will get into a "mood" where it will CONSTANTLY catch itself from rebounds after being launched.  It was very noticeable in the Luigi's Mansion stage.  Not sure if they changed that or not in the update.

Also my [parasitic bomb] luck with dropping items.  Anyone else have this?  Whatever I pick up is usually dropped within two hits, while the AI takes a few dozen for the same.  It leaves me on the receiving end of Dragoon, a lot.

They DEFINITELY nerfed All-Star in the WiiU update (not that it didn't damn well need it).  The AI doesn't seem much different, but their launch rate is way down, making it much easier to survive at higher damage levels.  I cleared with Duck Hunt in only two attempts yesterday, that just leaves 9.0 without losing a life as my only un-hammerable challenge left.

So, yeah, 9.0's tactics can be trying, to say the least.  I only ever did clear it once, as Ike surprisingly.  Right now I'm trying a defensive Yoshi.  Hating Fortress's danger zones still.  And I am NOT doing the Home Run Bat equip again in Classic, you don't get to use it in the boss battle (this actually surprised me since you do keep it in Crazy Orders), and before I found that out, I got to enjoy Little Mac countering a home run swing.

[The Great Gonzo]

Anyone else have this?  Whatever I pick up is usually dropped within two hits, while the AI takes a few dozen for the same.

I think I get that, too. Sometimes it doesn't take as much force to make the AI drop a ship/cannon part, though.


amiibo!Marth's product page is back up on Toys 'R Us, though he's not in stock yet. Given how close April is to ending, I'm assuming that there won't be pre-orders and you'll have to manually check the store/site.

[OBJECTION MAN]

The AI in Smash4 is especially effective because they added pattern recognition into it. It starts to learn how you react to situations and tries to do moves that would go good against it.

Playing a 10 stock battle will put this on full display. You'll start off doing great and by the half way point, they've got 4 stock left and you're in orbit for the lose.

I only play against lv9's so I'm not sure how the other difficulties differ in regards to this pattern recognition.

[Hypershell]

I can pretty reliably take regular fighters on 9.0 as Yoshi.  But the Master Core, that's another story.  That damn big-jaw-beast form is where I run into trouble with the "don't lose any lives" Challenge.  It LOVES to wait for your attack and counter by leaping into the background, which is perfectly timed so that your own attack lag makes it impossible to dodge 99% of the time.

[Mirby]

I just used Charizard and spammed Rock Smash, with equipment buffing his attack. Just wanted to finish that challenge haha