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Rockman & Community => Rockman Series => Topic started by: megaman24681012 on August 27, 2011, 12:40:32 AM
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Might as well instill some discussion of Megaman among us, seeing that things have been quiet over our favourite Blue Bomber.
A high profile Mega Man Anime series.
we've seen a good anime of Rockman.EXE, a decent one based on Ryuusei no Rockman. and have probably seen the OVA Megaman Upon A Star (oh, and the OVA: Day of Sigma).
But what was bugging me was the possibility of Megaman getting a dedicated anime series; any of the megaman series, from Classic to Zero. And when I say "dedicated", I mean one that has a serious, strong storyline; good animation; great voice acting; and being respected as a good anime series on its own, not just "good for a video game anime adaptation".
What are your thoughts on this hypothetical? This possibility? Negative? Positive? Controversial?
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I loved The Day of Σ. So it would be awesome to have a full-fledged Mega Man X anime series.
I wouldn't count on it actually happening though. And it probably wouldn't be that high-production unless it's another OVA.
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An X anime would be fine and dandy if they explained how they are able to get full-bodied reploids into cyberspace AND how the individual reploid BECOMES a maverick (instead of going "gah, I've been infected so I can do whatever the hell I want!" and going berserk instantly).
Plus it would be nice to get some side stories to already developed Mavericks such as Magma Dragoon and Chill Penguin, and expand on the idea of X's limitless potential. I mean, whenever there's a new X game there almost has to be someone to ursurp the titluar character (Save for Command Mission). I dun get it. :\
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I, personally, would hope for a continuation of RS-MM that didn't dispose of its weirder elements or try to force it to be exactly like the games. But the cartoon's 17 years old and Japan only ever got the first episode.
If they went the Classic MM route--as long as it wasn't like Upon a Star and didn't turn anyone into moeblob eye candy, I'd give it a chance. (I'd also prefer that they make it 15 years ago or so, when they still used ink and paint, but I'm an old coot)
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Damn skippy I would like it.
@ Gonz Really? I thought the upon a star style was perfect. it was good for what it was. better than RS style anyway, as the characters actually looked halfway like they were supposed to.
I would personally like an X series anime.
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Really? I thought the upon a star style was perfect. it was good for what it was. better than RS style anyway, as the characters actually looked halfway like they were supposed to.
From what I understand, the edutainment bits of Upon a Star take up more time than the actual Megaman stuff. Not a good sign.
And RS-MM's designs weren't THAT far off (for the most part). At least they weren't "early US/EU box art" caliber.
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Granted, Ruby Spears wasn't horrible. It could have been much worse (Captain N). It was a pretty good show for what it was and what little source material the people had to go on at the time; however, we don't live in the early 90's anymore. What they produced is understandable once you put it in the context of the era it was produced in, but such a thing won't fly anymore. We know what the source material is now.
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I was quite surprised by the quality of The Day of Σ so if they made a full anime in that vein I surely wouldn't be dissapointed.
Also Megaman Zero would make a great anime. (Or atleast a manga series by Ariga...)
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How about they make a Legends 3 anime.
I'm sure that would totally happen.
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I would love to see a MegaMix anime adaption.
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MMX or Z seem like the most interesting candidates to me. I'm not so sure I'd trust Capcom near anime after the ZX anime trailer was the most clichéd thing I've ever seen, though.
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From what I understand, the edutainment bits of Upon a Star take up more time than the actual Megaman stuff. Not a good sign.
And RS-MM's designs weren't THAT far off (for the most part). At least they weren't "early US/EU box art" caliber.
they werent bad, no, but between RS style and UAS style, I would chose the one closer to the games.
On the edutainment thing, I dont really recall. I remember enjoying it. but then again, this is also the anime that has Megaman and co entering the real world from the videogame. theres also the awesome opening, which shows action clips of the games. bosses, protoman, etc.
if you havnt seen it, I suggest you do. Its not that bad.
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And Wily's a Ninja. But that educational stuff gets kinda in the way.
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i don't know if any of the megaman series would work as an animated series, to be honest with you
none of the games really have any character development at all. same heroes, same fights, different enemies. it's always been primarily gameplay and the storytelling has come second in every single case.
unless LOADS of creative license was taken it would just be really awkward and dumb. day of sigma worked because it was a very small story that explained a bunch and pretty much dropped the entire X series into a nutshell.
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i don't know if any of the megaman series would work as an animated series, to be honest with you
none of the games really have any character development at all. same heroes, same fights, different enemies. it's always been primarily gameplay and the storytelling has come second in every single case.
unless LOADS of creative license was taken it would just be really awkward and dumb. day of sigma worked because it was a very small story that explained a bunch and pretty much dropped the entire X series into a nutshell.
Megaman Zero says Hi
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Megaman Zero says Hi
well yeah, you have a point there. but you have to take into account... every other megaman series.
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I dunno, I think X and co. have plenty enough character depth to drive an anime. God knows there's a lot more than TDoS that's been left unsaid in the games.
I wouldn't say that Classic is lacking, more like it's already been done. We have RS, we have Upon A Star, we have Archie's comics, and there's tons more out there.
The source story being limited means nothing; if anything it creates an opportunity. Any decent game adaptation needs to stand on its own rather than remain strictly within the confines of the game story, or else it's just redundant. As an example, just look at Sonic SatAM. The games, in terms of storyline, offered jack squat other than the robot theme to the villain. The show took the games as an inspiration, and from there succeeded by its own merits.
Granted, Ruby Spears wasn't horrible. It could have been much worse (Captain N). It was a pretty good show for what it was and what little source material the people had to go on at the time; however, we don't live in the early 90's anymore. What they produced is understandable once you put it in the context of the era it was produced in, but such a thing won't fly anymore. We know what the source material is now.
The character design of the show was perfectly fine. Roll is the only real offender in terms of anyone not bearing a reasonable likeness to the source (by "reasonable", I mean within the same margins that the entirety of the fanbase accepts between Ariga and Rockman Online), and I'm sure getting her a new outfit could be easily arranged. Yeah, ProtoMan needs to stop working for Wily (that's a result of the show pre-dating Bass, and we all know it), and the general atmosphere could be a little less cheesy, but all of that is a pretty simple batch of adjustments.
Not that I believe anyone would pick up RS, it's just too old. I'm just saying, if someone did, there's no reason it couldn't work.
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i don't know if any of the megaman series would work as an animated series, to be honest with you
none of the games really have any character development at all. same heroes, same fights, different enemies. it's always been primarily gameplay and the storytelling has come second in every single case.
unless LOADS of creative license was taken it would just be really awkward and dumb. day of sigma worked because it was a very small story that explained a bunch and pretty much dropped the entire X series into a nutshell.
I agree with this statement. The first game they would do would be fine. The next game might offer a little twist, and even maybe the next one. It would definitely be a bit stale after that though. Same for the X series.
A MMZ cartoon would be better ideally because it's not necessarily set to a predictable model like the Original and X series. Legends would be great too.
But I'm sure another original series or X series cartoon would be fine, they'll just have to get more creative. What did everyone else think about the X manga?
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Ariga's Mangas and Iwamoto's mangas did plenty with their source. Not to mention what has already been mentioned, every other adaptation seems to have done just fine.
So anime adaptations work just fine.
Actually, on a related matter, Id direct you to this fan effort at making an X series anime script.
http://megamanx9.com/forum/index.php?/topic/3345-megaman-x-the-anime
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i don't know if any of the megaman series would work as an animated series, to be honest with you
none of the games really have any character development at all. same heroes, same fights, different enemies. it's always been primarily gameplay and the storytelling has come second in every single case.
unless LOADS of creative license was taken it would just be really awkward and dumb. day of sigma worked because it was a very small story that explained a bunch and pretty much dropped the entire X series into a nutshell.
Battle Network and Star Force both had anime, but take it into account they were both more like RPGs. Zero had an audio drama track series even further expanding into ZX. Classic had RS and Upon a Star, but you know how those went.
If we had yet ANOTHER classic anime the premise would be the same (whomp wily) with a little something on the side. So far Day of Sigma is a pretty good OVA pre-X1, but I'd like to know what goes inside the maverick's head before being accused one.
Maybe on the same quality of the Clone Wars II animated series (minus theatrical release to promote series, but I digress), but X's only TV appearance is (again) Ruby Spears. So I see promise here.
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I agree with this statement. The first game they would do would be fine. The next game might offer a little twist, and even maybe the next one. It would definitely be a bit stale after that though. Same for the X series.
A MMZ cartoon would be better ideally because it's not necessarily set to a predictable model like the Original and X series. Legends would be great too.
But I'm sure another original series or X series cartoon would be fine, they'll just have to get more creative. What did everyone else think about the X manga?
the thing with the zero series is that it actually followed an acceptably cohesive plot from game to game, which would make it the best fodder for a megaman cartoon if you're so desperate for one. legends might be doable, yeah. there's a lot to work with since it seems to overall have more put into it as far as world building goes. we can only get so far on "DIS IZ DA FYOOCHUR DER AR ROBITS [parasitic bomb] IS GOAN DOWN", which is what both the classic and X series coasted by on. (in the year 20XX...)
granted i'm not trying to discredit the X and Classic series for what they are. there was quite a lot of effort and thought put into both series but you really can't ignore the simple fact that the games all stuck to a specific format (aside from command mission, but i'd be surprised if someone made a television series based on a half-baked rpg spinoff), and the world around that format changed way too much to keep track of. it's like each game is years apart, and yet the exact same [parasitic bomb] is happening over and over.
The source story being limited means nothing; if anything it creates an opportunity. Any decent game adaptation needs to stand on its own rather than remain strictly within the confines of the game story, or else it's just redundant. As an example, just look at Sonic SatAM. The games, in terms of storyline, offered jack squat other than the robot theme to the villain. The show took the games as an inspiration, and from there succeeded by its own merits.
this is an excellent point, and something to consider. another thing to consider though, is that fandoms are INCREDIBLY fickle. a lot of people who enjoy the megaman series as a game simply will not accept something new and different. i'm not pointing any fingers though, if someone managed to take these cookie cutter games and turn them into a well scripted story universe with emotionally charged situations i'd be more than excited.
the main problem being that both classic characters and X-series characters are somewhat shallow. they operate on very few character traits (hero, aloof, evil, smart, etc). it doesn't make them completely non-functional as characters, considering we're all still attached to them after so many years. to make it work they would need a hardcore rewrite, which i would welcome with open arms.
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if someone managed to take these cookie cutter games and turn them into a well scripted story universe with emotionally charged situations i'd be more than excited.
the main problem being that both classic characters and X-series characters are somewhat shallow. they operate on very few character traits (hero, aloof, evil, smart, etc). it doesn't make them completely non-functional as characters, considering we're all still attached to them after so many years. to make it work they would need a hardcore rewrite, which i would welcome with open arms.
Hitoshi Ariga.
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and Yoshihiro Iwamoto. :P
Cant speak for Ikehara unfortunately.
Also Koji Izu.
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the main problem being that both classic characters and X-series characters are somewhat shallow. they operate on very few character traits (hero, aloof, evil, smart, etc). it doesn't make them completely non-functional as characters, considering we're all still attached to them after so many years. to make it work they would need a hardcore rewrite, which i would welcome with open arms.
I doubt it would require a rewrite, though it may very well be perceived as one. See, many times, with games that focus more on action than story, fans tend to read the characters as being even more shallow than they actually are. Case in point: Samus Aran.
I look at Zero and I see the potential for the same thing. There's plenty we don't know. What's he like socially, when he's not on the job? Loner? Popular? Serious? Laid back? Then we have what we do know, the obvious ruthless exterior. Then we have the less obvious but equally canonical insecurities underneath the surface. Zero has a lot of issues with his past, and with innocent casualties (particularly in X4/X5). And even he gets sick of fighting (X8, Z1 drama tracks, Z3 drama tracks). These are issues we usually associate with X, the simple naive hero. Zero feels them as well, to some degree, but he doesn't let those feelings out the way that X does. The first anime to explore that, which TDoS did not, could very easily get castrated by the masses for being an alleged betrayal of Zero's character.
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To my understanding, what a serious anime adaptation of a story-shallow game series like Mega Man requires an observation of the characters actions within the games (whether player controlled or NPC), and interpret them in a way that is logical; this will allow one to expand on their characters. Also, the storyline must be rigorously reinvented to suit the passive environment of anime; see how Hitoshi Ariga did it, (example: Asteroid Blues) he took the storyline of MM3 and recreated it with the same Robot Masters, but with significantly more vibrant personalities, not cliched, not stereotypical, but interesting and appropriate to the RBs behavior ingame. The simple storyline of MM3 was changed drastically to fit the more somber setting of Ariga's interpretation Mega Man Classic.
And if you haven't figured it out from the paragraph above, I would LOOOOOOOVE to see Hitoshi Ariga create an anime adaptation of Mega Man Classic! Just as long as he learns to slow down his pacing; seriously, his stories move by FAST!
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I would LOVE an Ariga MM Anime. But then again, Ariga+Megaman in any way shape or form is usually great.
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And even he gets sick of fighting (X8, Z1 drama tracks, Z3 drama tracks).
There was that Z2 in-game quote I can't seem to recall when you gun down enough pantheons in the intro stage, but regardless. X has a lot of possible characters to explore. Enter: Massimo.
Take a look at this lug and he's the RPG's near-equivilant of Bulkhead (latter gen Bulkhead, mind you), yet he also lost his komodo dragon-looking friend to a bunch of hoodlums, and we never see him in action, other than a near-dead prisoner.
And if you haven't figured it out from the paragraph above, I would LOOOOOOOVE to see Hitoshi Ariga create an anime adaptation of Mega Man Classic! Just as long as he learns to slow down his pacing; seriously, his stories move by FAST!
Then Argia would have to do a hunt for a company that will agree to do so, make fillers, anime ending, etc. The poor dude would also have to have a huge budget on him to pay a company like Gonzo, or Xebec (Mega Man's go-to guys, seemingly)
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There was that Z2 in-game quote I can't seem to recall when you gun down enough pantheons in the intro stage, but regardless.
"This isn't fun anymore..."?
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To the topic at hand, I'd love it. In regards to taking liberties with things, just go Rockman Megamix on everything and maybe add some (not too bloated) fluff here and there for pace's sake. Finally for art direction. Get Hitoshi Ariga on EVERYTHING. XD
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...Maybe I'm too cynical, but I'm afraid that if Mr. Ariga directed a Megaman anime, many fans would overlook whatever flaws or issues it had because Mr. Ariga's involved.
The man's awesome, yeah, but still. :/
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"This isn't fun anymore..."?
That'd be the quote, but I don't think many a people know this while first playing it. It does indeed show that Zero has gotten fed up with fighting, but he has to regardless. Considering how X was turned into a flamin' pussy in X7 They sorta avoided it here. He knows innocents are gonna get in the way but he didin't let his emotions swallow him whole.
I think it's why most fans agree that Zero is better written with X. Because the latter, you gotta take the precautions on which the titular character is going but with a character shrouded in mystery underneath that tough guy appearance really says something.
...Maybe I'm too cynical, but I'm afraid that if Mr. Ariga directed a Megaman anime, many fans would overlook whatever flaws or issues it had because Mr. Ariga's involved.
The man's awesome, yeah, but still. :/
They treat him like a god, just like how since Penders was treated like the [tornado fang]ing devil because he killed a few certain characters and went with the "spawn" approach. It's why Ian Fylnn is treated moreso like a savior because he had to pick up the mess (Sonic Universe), that Penders left behind.
But I'm getting ahead of myself. For me, an Argia anime would be something worth watching in awhile, considering I had to re-visit a certain "Zonbi" anime and for a re-watch I just felt that it was a dumb premise for an attempt at a "slice o' life".
...And Hetalia. Piece of [parasitic bomb]. An argia anime would SO make up for that 'kinda crap (save for a few hidden gems) I've been torturing myself with. *shot*
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I only suggested that Ariga do the art direction for the show should it happen. I love the way he's able to make the robots "human" while emphasizing the fact that they're robots with subtle things like rivets and bolts everywhere. He basically has the perfect ratio of robot to humanoid in his design of the Rockman worlds. XD
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Personally I'd prefer a MegaMan cartoon done by the same people who do Avatar
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If it was Classic series I'd definitely trust the Avatar guys to get it right, but the later games... Well, I expect that their ignoring consequences in Avatar was because it's a kids show (essentially) rather than because they didn't think of them, but there's always that small risk.
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o/ If there was an Ariga Mega Man anime series I'd buy the entire set before it's even localised.
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I would prefer to have an anime series based on the next Mega Man series they make, that's IF they make another series (given what Capcom did with Legends 3 recently)
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I would love to see a serious story-driven anime take on either Classic , X , Zero , ZX or Legends.
I was looking forward to the other OVAs to come with the X remakes unforunately that didnt happen :(.
I got false hope also when i saw this trailer...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_6QGlvHNP8[/youtube]
i was hoping it would mean a ZX anime and not just another ad for ZX @~@.
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Wasn't it going to be? But they reconsidered since nobody liked the looks of it.
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I want a Zero Anime that looks like this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ET6ZEAUgIw[/youtube]
Season 1 for Zero 1
Season 2 for the time between Zero 1 and 2
Season 3 for Zero 2
Season 4 for the time between Zero 2 and 3
Season 5 for Zero 3
Season 6 for the time between Zero 3 and 4
Season 7 for Zero 4
Each season consisting of 36 episodes and The Series Soundtracks composed by III and Yasuharu Takanashi
But i know this will never come true.
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Sounds awfully padded, though...
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Sounds awfully padded, though...
how?
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7 seasons to experience something it took 4 games at maybe 8 hours each, and 90% of that was gameplay that wouldn't really translate well to a show.
I'd say 4 seasons at most, the first half of each can also tell what happened in the intervening time (the first game would give background info for the setting).
EDIT: Of course, this depends on how many and how long episodes each season would have. I was thinking it would be 8x30m, but you might have had much shorter seasons in mind?
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Okay let's change the number of episodes for Season 2,4,6 to 18 episodes since they would techinally be filler seasons and partly important to connect the canon seasons.
the reason for 36 episodes for Seasons 1,3,5,7 is to try to put in the main villians with the bosses that are somewhat important to the stories from the games.
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I want a Zero Anime that looks like this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ET6ZEAUgIw[/youtube]
Season 1 for Zero 1
Season 2 for the time between Zero 1 and 2
Season 3 for Zero 2
Season 4 for the time between Zero 2 and 3
Season 5 for Zero 3
Season 6 for the time between Zero 3 and 4
Season 7 for Zero 4
Each season consisting of 36 episodes and The Series Soundtracks composed by III and Yasuharu Takanashi
But i know this will never come true.
DANG , boy. You want 252 episodes in an anime? Dividing it by seasons and without useless filler? ENTIRE seasons for breaks in-between games, skipping timeskips all around?
Jesus Christ, you demented.
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look at my post above the one you posted
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look at my post above the one you posted
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It doesn't make it any better! Do you know the effort it takes for one single 12-episode or 25-episode anime adaptation takes to get approved? Most just end up making some crappy ending to fill it all before the manga takes ten more years to finish. All you're saying is "Oh, okay, then you can cut down on the filler seasons".
I understand this is an "I wish for" thing, but it would be nice to see something more realistic. We would be VERY lucky to have an OVA for Zero, or something like a 12-episode half-season anime in order to fill in some timeslot. But you're turning wishes into pink flying elephants here.
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okay, lets shorten it down to 4 Original Video Animations that are 1 hour and 25 minutes each.
OVA 1 - Zero
OVA 2 - Zero 2
OVA 3 - Zero 3
OVA 4 - Zero 4
these ova would mainly be the final areas from the games since you encounter all bosses in those areas
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That would honestly be very nice, and quite realistic. An OVA doesn't need as much funding as an anime and it can be independently made by fan-support, like the Black Rock Shooter anime.
And it's very possible to stick in several boss battles in a single OVA and still make it damn good. Just look at Hellsing, for example.
Not to mention that the art and animation quality that the video you have showed, is really good. Same with regular good OVAs.
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http://protodudesrockmancorner.blogspot.com/2011/10/new-mega-man-tv-series-in-our-future.html
See those comments? Give it a few hours and they'll be almost nothing but "RS-MM sucks because it's not the games" and "Mr. Ariga is the only good MM writer".
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http://protodudesrockmancorner.blogspot.com/2011/10/new-mega-man-tv-series-in-our-future.html
See those comments? Give it a few hours and they'll be almost nothing but "RS-MM sucks because it's not the games" and "Mr. Ariga is the only good MM writer".
Eeeeh, they're Megaman fans. From my experience with many, only a few steps above Sonic fans in irrationality. =P
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I would LOVE a new Mega Man TV show. What would be even more awesome is if they let Bruce Timm/DC produce. And yes, I know that would not happen, but I can dream right?
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I want a straight to DVD Mega Man Zero movie created by ruby spears.
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I want a straight to DVD Mega Man Zero movie created by ruby spears.
(http://www.deviantart.com/download/244729065/here_there_be_ghosts_by_general_radix-d41pe5l.png)
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Haha, XD that WOULD be amusing.
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I want a straight to DVD Mega Man Zero movie created by ruby spears.
Is it horribly sad that I would buy it on blu ray AND enjoy it?
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there is always things fans complain about when it comes to anime Series
1. Plot Holes
2. Animation Style
3. The Voices - (Mainly the Dub Voices)
4. American Censorship
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Don't forget how serious is the anime. Remember, NT Warrior didin't take itself seriously until I think.. The Battle Network 4-6 adaptation?
Mega Man isin't mostly known for it's serious storyline (save for Zero and in some cases X) which is why we got Upon a Star and NT Warrior.
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If it works, it works. I loved the Ruby-Spears show as well as the EXE anime... I feel that a new MegaMan anime would help garner some support.