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Title: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Rin on February 09, 2010, 03:44:17 PM
I've been meaning to make a thread about this, since long past. I would just always forget about it.

In here we discuss this awesome piece of AMERIKKAN animation. Safe to say, that it's my favorite DCAU cartoon, after which comes Batman TAS and Batman Beyond. Altough, I've been watching episodes mostly at random(as in, choosing the episodes that interest me the most), and not all have been seen yet, I can really say that... I'm sad it has been cancelled.

Batman, who is my favorite hero(at least in DCAU), is awesome in this. Altough my e-pal said, that he smiles too much... but I think it's all okay. Since he kicks ass.

If you haven't watched it yet, GO DO IT RIGHT NOW! Seriously.

Also, I'm kind of tired... so the post might be a bit chaotic. I dunno.

JUSTICE LEAGUE & JUSTICE LEAGUE UNLIMITED THREAD!
Title: Re: Justice League/Unlimited Thread
Post by: Dr. Wily II on February 09, 2010, 04:04:07 PM
One thing I remember fondly was Lex Luthor and his league of villians to counter the Justice League and rebuilt Brainiac.
Title: Re: Justice League/Unlimited Thread
Post by: Saber on February 09, 2010, 04:37:28 PM
I remember how I used to buy the old Justice League comicbooks that managed to make it over here to Germany, back in the late 90s I believe. What reason did I buy them for? Because Batman was in there. That's how I got into the whole setting of superheroes getting together and become a team to counter larger threats that one hero alone would not have been able to handle.

And this is sort of where it all goes wrong in my opinion and that's what genuinely turned me away from the animated Justice League. A lot of these episodes are really cheesy if not downright terrible. You know, alien invasions, intergalactic Gods trying to destroy Earth and all that stands in their way is a team of superpowered costumed heroes, it sort of gets old really fast. Not to mention that you'd eventually have to ask yourself "Don't these guys have anything to do in their respective crime-infested cities?"

I remember how I liked those few team-up episodes in the Superman TAS and New Batman Adventures where characters from both shows would cross over. Supergirl would show up in NBA to team up with Batgirl to take down Poison Ivy, Harley Quinn and Livewire, while Batman would come to Metropolis to deal with Joker who teamed up with Lex Luthor to take down Superman etc, as well as Superman having to pose as Batman because the real one went missing. It was nuts, but it was fun. Justice League however, is too much of that.

I don't really know how to describe my gripes with JL/U, but it simply did not really feel right to me. The first series was at least somewhat limited in terms of which characters would appear. You had your original seven members of the Justice League, except for the fact that they threw the "quota black guy" in there in form of John Stewart as the Green Lantern despite the fact that a Green Lantern had already been introduced in the Superman TAS (Kyle Rayner stealing Hal Jordan's origin story). Not to mention that Aquaman is nowhere to be seen except like 2 appearances in Unlimited, getting his spot stolen by Hawkgirl. But then in Unlimited, you've got dozens and dozens of heroes, lots of which I did not even know existed, with cameos all other the place. Sure, there were a few times when I really liked that the spotlight was on heroes other than the main seven, the Huntress/Question episodes in particular were awesome.

Then again, there were really, really stupid episodes. To me, the most ridiculous story in Justice League ever was "The Once and Future Thing". MAJOR [tornado fang]ing sequence breaking all over the place. I mean, they go into the future, Batman meets both his sucessor Terry McGuiness AND his older self and it doesn't even phaze him. How's that supposed to fit with Batman Beyond I'd like to ask. Likewise, that episode were Batman was forced to sing "I'm so blue" on a stage. How can people do that to this kind of character? This isn't The Brave and the Bold you know.

Another thing was the redesigns of the characters. My reaction to the revamp from Batman TAS to New Batman Adventures varied between Yay and Nay (I loved the new design for Batman with just black and gray and hated the lipless Joker), but JL's designs really bugged me. Batman in particular, who seemed to be a fusion of all previous Batman cartoon incarnations. It was basically the same costume design as in NBA with Batman TAS' color scheme and Batman Beyond's elongated cowl-ears. As well as increasing the character's overall muscular structure. It looked terrible in my opinion. I also did not like Huntress' design, but apparently as the show was made, that was her current design in the comics whilst I knew her for wearing that fullbody suit with the cross around her neck from the 90s (The Plague etc, you know, when Azrael was still alive).

Justice League/Unlimited has both good and bad points, but as things are for me, DC never really managed to do something really awesome again after Batman TAS, and I'm saying that with my nostalgia glasses put off.
Title: Re: Justice League/Unlimited Thread
Post by: Rin on February 09, 2010, 05:01:48 PM
Hmm.
I can understand your point of view, and I accept it. However, I will NOT be silent about one thing.

I prefer this design of Batman, from all his previous ones. I just like it... dunno why. It sits well with me.

Also, events from that "Once and Future Thing" episode... they never happened. Batman did something to that timetraveling guy's belt and... poof. He's trapped in a time loop. While all the events that happened were erased... only Batman and Lantern remember.

Beside those two things, there's nothing to argue. You stated your point rather well and gave good reasons for your dislike.
Title: Re: Justice League/Unlimited Thread
Post by: Flame on February 09, 2010, 08:00:41 PM
JLU Batman's ears are too long. Theyre almost longer than Terry's own. 8U

which reminds me- TIM! BATMAN BEYOND JLU!
Seriously. That one time they showed the future JLU in BB and then in JLU itself, was great. I wouldnt mind giving the future JLU its own series or at least a small gig with a few episodes.

"Wow. Batman Playing good cop?" - "Everything's relevant."
Title: Re: Justice League/Unlimited Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on February 10, 2010, 08:32:54 PM
As RPM's foremost DC Comics expert, at least I think I know more DC than anyone in here being that I've read DC Comics all my life, Justice League & JLU were just another part in the utmost excellence that was the DCAU.  Like a lot of fans, I was upset that they used John Stewart over Kyle Rayner, but as I watched the show I grew to really like how they handled his character.  To me, that's what made the show so good: the characters.  For example, I'm the hugest fan of The Flash, as he has my favorite superpower, which is Super Speed.  The Justice League Flash is the greatest incarnation of the character in all of DC, from the comics to the 90's TV show.  Superman & Batman are pretty much Superman & Batman.  My only complaint is that GL did not use enough constructs, and instead was way too beam-y.  But that never took away from my overall enjoyment of the show.

I'll be the first to admit that the first season of Justice League was one of the weakest seasons in all of the DCAU.  The characterization was there somewhat, but the stories somewhat lacked the quality of their previous shows.  If you watched their previous shows, you know that they could've done better...which they did in the Second Season.  Whereas the first season of JL is one of the weakest, the second season of JL is easily one of the best seasons of animation and story the DCAU, and the comic cartoon genre, has to offer.  Here is the season where the characters truly began to shine, and the stories were top notch.  From the first 2-parter of the second season, Twilight, you can already see the massive change in story telling.  Yeah, JL has some episodes that were better than others without question, but that's true of all the DCAU series.  You have your "Almost Got 'Im" in every series and you have your "Prophecy of Doom" as well. 

Justice League Unlimited is simply pure DC fan-service, done with massive creativity as well as respect for the characters themselves.  The changes to some characters, like The Question, are just simply brilliant.  They also respected their fans enough to give them a proper sequel to the short lived Batman Beyond series, which was done so very well.  The episode before that, with The Flash showing what he can really do just perfectly illustrates why super speed is my favorite super power.  The final episode just has such a brilliant scene between Superman & Darkseid that I sometimes just watch it to watch it.  To me, it's honestly a shame that more of these aren't being made, for as much as I do like DC's Animated movies, they are not as good as their TV Cartoons.  I only wish Marvel Comics could do something as epic as the DCAU, cause their cartoons are nothing compared to these.  The Spectacular Spider-Man is definitely a step in the right direction though.
Title: Re: Justice League/Unlimited Thread
Post by: Gaia on February 10, 2010, 08:39:04 PM
They also respected their fans enough to give them a proper sequel to the short lived Batman Beyond series, which was done so very well.

Don't forget Static Shock was included in the same episode, by far, I thought it was good too.
Title: Re: Justice League/Unlimited Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on February 10, 2010, 09:15:59 PM
Don't forget Static Shock was included in the same episode, by far, I thought it was good too.

You're thinking of a different episode.  I'm talking about Epilogue, in which we see a grown up Terry.
Title: Re: Justice League/Unlimited Thread
Post by: Rin on February 11, 2010, 12:17:13 AM
Yayz, I had hoped PB would finally stop by.

Yeah, I loved Epilogue. Altough, I had problems with digesting the fact, that Terry had Bruce's DNA in himself.

Anyway, PB has encouraged me to watch more of this.

See ya later, folks.
Title: Re: Justice League/Unlimited Thread
Post by: Flame on February 11, 2010, 01:13:55 AM

Yeah, I loved Epilogue. Altough, I had problems with digesting the fact, that Terry had Bruce's DNA in himself.
As if the watchers hadnt figured it out already.
When they finally went all Muary and "Bruce... IS THE FATHER!" It... Honestly was not surprising at all. Its one of those things that was like, "Huh, no wonder..."

But yeah. Epilogue. I tend to think that the really old Wayne was a bit inspired by Bruce Timm's original old Bruce idea, which was, well, older bald, and a mess. XD

Epilogue was a great end to the Batman Beyond series, and the DCAU. And you really cant beat that kickass end.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiZJC0jcEjk[/youtube]

Am I the only one who gets goosebumps when I watch this?
It's funny since not once did Terry ever get the Batman theme, and when I saw this, I was like, HELL yeah! Terry has inherited the Batman theme. He finally is Batman proper.
Title: Re: Justice League/Unlimited Thread
Post by: Rin on February 13, 2010, 10:23:46 PM
Yeah. That moment was awesome. : D

Also, I've just watched Justice League - Crisis on Two Earths. I will give you now, some kind of review.

Watch out for spoilers!

[spoiler]So, basically, this movie is boring. Very. The fights are done well, but overall it feels hollow. Why? Probably because, they went much too far off from the comic this movie is based on. I own it in Polish, and I know it's [tornado fang]ing awesome.
For example:

In the comic: Luthor 2 came to JLA's earth, so they can help him win against the Crime Syndicate.
In the movie: Same [parasitic bomb]. Except...

In the comic: We learn who Owlman, Super Woman and others are. (Super Woman is Lois Lane, Owlman is Bruce's brother... FROM EARTH TWOOOO).
In the movie: Huh? They have secret identities?

In the comic: There's a romance between Owlman and Super Woman, who is Ultraman's "lover". This is even more evident, because apparently they are doing it behind Ultraman's back(and he knows about it).
In the movie: Super Woman wants his dick, but Owlman is highly uninterested. Oh, and J'onn has some shitty romance with the daughter of American President(from Earth 2).

In the comic: We meet Bruce's father from Earth 2, who is the chief of Gotham's police. While Gordon is the mayor, who slept with his wife. : /
In the movie: AHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHHAHAAHAHAHAHAH IT'S NOT THERE AT ALL... : <<<<

In the comic: Alternate Brainiac tries to crash two earths together and destroy them(or something like that). It has something to do with one earth being from matter, and the other from anti-matter.
In the movie: Owlman turns out to be RAWR I'M AN EVIL PSYCHO and wants to destroy Earth Prime, and wipe out all of reality. Does it remind you of something? Something that has to do with GREEN TURTLES?

Basically, I didn't enjoy it too much.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on May 28, 2010, 06:33:54 AM
In Brightest Day everyone!  I've decided to give a Black Ring to this topic, as well as rename it into our DCAU Thread.  That way, you can feel free to talk about not just JL/JLU, but all the DCAU. Heh, now that Static is officially in the DCU now, feel free for some Static Shock talk too.

Anyway, the reason why I revamped this topic is cause apparently, they are making a Green Lantern animated series! (http://www.animationmagazine.net/article/11583)  There's no details on the series yet, so my excitement is down to a minimum, even though this or a Flash animated series are a PB dream come true.  Most likely though, this will tie into the GL movie coming out next year, but who knows.  What I'm most curious about is who will be the Guardian of this Animated Universe.  Will it be Bruce Timm & Paul Dini, creators of the series we all know and love.  Perhaps Geoff Johns will have the willpower.  We shall see.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on May 28, 2010, 06:50:00 AM
Bruce Timm is involved or it isnt too good.

I stand by my argument that Timm should be the ONLY person allowed near the DCAU, EVER.

he just has such a magic touch with it.

Also, [tornado fang] yeah Static shock. I miss that show. He was Real cool. I mean come on. for the first season he pretty much flew on manhole and trash can lids. Plus, It tied in with pretty much ALL the DCAU series that existed at the time. Superman, (with a  toyman episode, that continued from an older Superman one) Batman a few times, Batman BEYOND as well, and hell, even the Justice league. (later on though)
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Rin on May 28, 2010, 11:49:14 AM
I admit that I've never watched Static Shock.
What is it about? It seems good from what you guys are talking about.

Green Lantern series? Well... it seems like an obvious move, with all the attention Lanterns got with Blackest Night/Brightest Day.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on May 28, 2010, 04:29:53 PM
I'm quite interested in this new Green Lantern series. We'll see if it's any good soon.

Now, will it actually be inserted within the DCU? My guess is no. Hal Jordan doesn't fit in the DCU as we know, and DCU stories are pretty much over, since Crisis On Two Earths was adamant on distancing itself from the main series. Now, how will the actual GL series be? I do hope Geoff Johns has a hand in it, and that it crosses over with other heroes. As long as it does the right stuff, it's fine. Just hope we don't have to sit through yet another origin arc. Hal Jordan's been a rookie far too many times.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on May 28, 2010, 07:18:29 PM
We'll most likely get an origin arc, unless it ties into the movie in someway.

However, I'd love if they would include all the other Corps.  Animated Larfleeze would be [tornado fang]ing awesome.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on May 28, 2010, 07:45:21 PM
We'll most likely get an origin arc, unless it ties into the movie in someway.

However, I'd love if they would include all the other Corps.  Animated Larfleeze would be [tornado fang]ing awesome.
If we have an origin, they'd have to move forward in an incredible way. They would have to include or dodge Sinestro's betrayal of the Corps (maybe handled in a First Flight manner, together with some bro moments with Jordan like in Secret Origin), Hal's normal adventures and joining the JLA/interactions with Barry and Ollie/relationship with Carol, the Parallax thingamagigger, the other earth Lanterns, the Rebirth event, the Sinestro Corps War, and a ton of other stuff. Since Larfleeze and the other lantern types directly concern a ton of other story issues, they would have to be resolved. And Blackest Night is something that can only happen in crossovers, due to the amount of heroes being resurrected. They'd have to kill off a ton of people in the cartoon before Nekron would be able to ressurect them. But as a standalone villain, yes, he would be awesome. He'd have to be completely unrelated and NERFED AS HELL, since the dude has enough power to match an entire Corps.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on May 28, 2010, 07:59:25 PM
They could possibly go about all those stories in a different way, but it wouldn't be easy.  Perhaps I also just want to see Skimpy Star Sapphire Carol Ferris too!  XD
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on May 28, 2010, 08:23:08 PM
Hmm.. how are the tv shows these days on "killing people" in cartoons? I remember cartoons like Batman having to have no killing. The Joker couldnt kill, and thus they took their frustrations out on scarface instead, by finding new intuitive ways to dismember and destroy him.

I admit that I've never watched Static Shock.
What is it about? It seems good from what you guys are talking about.

Check out an episode or two. its quite good.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Archer on May 28, 2010, 08:25:07 PM
I admit that I've never watched Static Shock.
What is it about? It seems good from what you guys are talking about.
it's about this black guy who gets electric powers and his geeky white best friend
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on May 29, 2010, 12:57:46 AM
Hmm.. how are the tv shows these days on "killing people" in cartoons? I remember cartoons like Batman having to have no killing. The Joker couldnt kill, and thus they took their frustrations out on scarface instead, by finding new intuitive ways to dismember and destroy him.
Check out an episode or two. its quite good.
Ah, but that's totally different. You see, characters couldn't kill, right? So Bruce Timm and Paul Dini basically thought of more gruesome and creepy things to do. Like Joker murdering tons of people all over the city with his laughing gas. Everyone knows the gas kills people. But you never hear it in the cartoon, so it's just implied. You have things like Joker's death through seeing his shadow get electrified, which was actually quite scary when you saw his body shake and fall. And tons of other stuff.

They could possibly go about all those stories in a different way, but it wouldn't be easy.  Perhaps I also just want to see Skimpy Star Sapphire Carol Ferris too!  XD
Argh, horrible costume. Miri Riam's the only Star Sapphire worth anything, to be honest. Carol's better as a simple love interest.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on May 29, 2010, 01:00:40 AM
You have things like Joker's death through seeing his shadow get electrified, which was actually quite scary when you saw his body shake and fall. And tons of other stuff.

Wait, what death was this?

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Argh, horrible costume. Miri Riam's the only Star Sapphire worth anything, to be honest. Carol's better as a simple love interest.

I like Carol's costume though.  I also like Fatality as a Star Sapphire as well.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Saber on May 29, 2010, 01:37:58 AM
Wait, what death was this?

Joker's death from the flashback sequence of Return of the Joker. This scene was only in the censored version of the film however. Getting shot by that trick pistol was apparently much more violent than getting electrocuted off-screen.

[youtube]pmb9rUgyNsY#t=9m11s[/youtube]

Here's the uncut version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1QGkl1mqR) for memory refreshing purposes.

As for this announced Green Lantern animated series, I don't really care. I thought First Flight was good and all, but honestly, if it comes to DC superheroes, the only one I care for is Batman, who, sadly, hasn't had the chance to shine in animated form as of late. That godawful Brave and the Bold thing makes me want to throw up.

I want Bruce Timm to make a mature Batman again, but I'm guessing I'll only get that via Arkham Asylum 2.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on May 29, 2010, 01:46:25 AM
Ahhh right, the censored version.  Refused to watch it.

As for Return of the Joker though, if you think no one dies in the DCAU, just look at the scene where the Joker tries to kill Terry with the Satellite.  Countless people clearly are killed from that attack.  Also, in the World's Finest crossover, when the Joker missiles all those Lexcorp buildings. 
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Saber on May 29, 2010, 01:49:51 AM
Ahhh right, the censored version.  Refused to watch it.

As for Return of the Joker though, if you think no one dies in the DCAU, just look at the scene where the Joker tries to kill Terry with the Satellite.

I remember watching the audio commentary during that scene and the producers jokingly said all those were robot cars xD

But I never claimed that no one died in the DCAU, I merely said that recent adaptations of comicbook superheroes suffered from being phased down to suit the requirements of the TV parent council or whatever that organisation's name is. I mean, did you see that CGI Iron Man series with all characters being teenagers? What the [tornado fang] is that?

Why is blood, murder and [twin slasher] OK in comicbooks that everyone can easily buy, but not on TV? Are they not the same target demographic?
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on May 29, 2010, 01:52:45 AM
I remember watching the audio commentary during that scene and the producers jokingly said all those were robot cars xD

But I never claimed that no one died in the DCAU, I merely said that recent adaptations of comicbook superheroes suffered from being phased down to suit the requirements of the TV parent council or whatever that organisation's name is. I mean, did you see that CGI Iron Man series with all characters being teenagers? What the [tornado fang] is that?

Oh that comment wasn't directed at you.  It was a response to the discussion above.

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Why is blood, murder and [twin slasher] OK in comicbooks that everyone can easily buy, but not on TV? Are they not the same target demographic?

Not really.  Comics are more directed at the older crowd, but cartoons are much more geared towards children.

Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on May 29, 2010, 01:54:41 AM
Joker's death from the flashback sequence of Return of the Joker. This scene was only in the censored version of the film however. Getting shot by that trick pistol was apparently much more violent than getting electrocuted off-screen.

[youtube]pmb9rUgyNsY#t=9m11s[/youtube]
That godawful Brave and the Bold thing makes me want to throw up.
I want Bruce Timm to make a mature Batman again, but I'm guessing I'll only get that via Arkham Asylum 2.
Hahahaha, aw, man. You don't know what you're missing. Don't keep the "Batman is grimdark only" attitude. it's fun to have a colorful Batman who smiles, Silver Age style. Didn't you have fun with the Music Meister episode, which was an awesome musical? Or with the Metal Men's hijinx? Or with Aquaman's "OUTRAGEOUS!" attitude? Brave and the Bold is a FUN cartoon, not meant to be taken seriously, but for us to see Batman having incredible adventures through time and space against all-powerful enemies. It's AWESOME.

And if you still continue with the "THERE WAS NO BATMAN BEFORE FRANK MILLER" attitude, let me show you this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb9VSIT8lY8[/youtube]
...notice Timm and Dini as Joker and Harley. =P Dini's a Harley fanboy.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on May 29, 2010, 03:28:31 AM
Lol, am I the only one who thought the electrocution was far more unnerving than being shot? That Scream, and the fact you know he was killed is much more violent than simply being shot with a bang gun.

That, and much more excruciating. I mean come on, he was ELECTROCUTED. he sure as hell felt  alot more pain than the ALMOST instant death in the original, where he pretty much just gave a line and died.

Also, Your right. BTAS Joker was actually worse, because you knew Joker as kiled people, but it was creepy as well. those creepy grins... (Which Bruce Timm commented on in the BB dvd "The Joker In or series couldnt kill... So instead, he game people these creepy grins. Which in its own way, is almost worse! *chuckles* )
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on May 29, 2010, 03:35:39 AM
Lol, am I the only one who thought the electrocution was far more unnerving than being shot? That Scream, and the fact you know he was killed is much more violent than simply being shot with a bang gun.

That, and much more excruciating. I mean come on, he was ELECTROCUTED. he sure as hell felt  alot more pain than the ALMOST instant death in the original, where he pretty much just gave a line and died.

The pain or gruesome death wasn't the point.  It was the point that Robin pulled the trigger.  He shot and killed a person.  It's similar to why Bruce gave up being Batman in the first place, because he was forced to pull a gun on someone to save his own life. 
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on May 29, 2010, 03:38:44 AM
The pain or gruesome death wasn't the point.  It was the point that Robin pulled the trigger.  He shot and killed a person.  It's similar to why Bruce gave up being Batman in the first place, because he was forced to pull a gun on someone to save his own life. 
Funny how times changed. Damian cut off a man's head and he gets to be Robin. =P
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on May 29, 2010, 03:42:26 AM
Funny how times changed. Damian cut off a man's head and he gets to be Robin. =P

Well Morrison's a great writer.  Plus, I think it's a nice change that he's trying to honor what his father stood for.  Of course, I could just be biased cause I really like Damian as a character.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on May 29, 2010, 03:48:45 AM
Well Morrison's a great writer.  Plus, I think it's a nice change that he's trying to honor what his father stood for.  Of course, I could just be biased cause I really like Damian as a character.
You gotta see, Morrison intended to kill Damian. So yeah, he hated him at the beginning and made us all hate him. But then he grew to like the little bastard. A Robin with a personality besides "heroic wisecracking kid"? It would be a fantastic thing, huh? So he made it real. Damian's the one who'll follow the Batman legacy in the future, as well as the current Robin, who will probably be staying for quite awhile. Or at least as long as Dickbats stays, which I hope it's still some time, as I've grown to like him quite alot. Brings a new spirit into Batman, in a way, while still letting Bruce be a part of the big picture in his return series, which as far, has been a direct fact that Final Crisis still isn't over. And I love it.

As far as the Animated Universe is concerned, they're also bringing back Terry with a new Batman Beyond comic. Terry's a fantastic Batman, and Batman Beyond was brilliant, so I hope to see much more of him in the future. Beyond ended right where it should have ended (along with the whole DCAU universe, in a way) but I'd like to see the whole DCAU canon brought back. The Batman stories continued, maybe bringing Damian and other characters into the fray. It'd be awesome.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on May 29, 2010, 03:58:08 AM
You gotta see, Morrison intended to kill Damian. So yeah, he hated him at the beginning and made us all hate him. But then he grew to like the little bastard. A Robin with a personality besides "heroic wisecracking kid"? It would be a fantastic thing, huh? So he made it real. Damian's the one who'll follow the Batman legacy in the future, as well as the current Robin, who will probably be staying for quite awhile. Or at least as long as Dickbats stays, which I hope it's still some time, as I've grown to like him quite alot. Brings a new spirit into Batman, in a way, while still letting Bruce be a part of the big picture in his return series, which as far, has been a direct fact that Final Crisis still isn't over. And I love it.

Well in an interview, Morrison said that Damian was his favorite character to write for currently.  I agree though, I like Dickbats as well. What I'm curious about is when this is all over what becomes of Tim.  Does he continue to work with Bruce, or do he and Dick work together while Bruce & Damian form there own B&R team.  Either way, I'm loving it right now. 

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As far as the Animated Universe is concerned, they're also bringing back Terry with a new Batman Beyond comic. Terry's a fantastic Batman, and Batman Beyond was brilliant, so I hope to see much more of him in the future. Beyond ended right where it should have ended (along with the whole DCAU universe, in a way) but I'd like to see the whole DCAU canon brought back. The Batman stories continued, maybe bringing Damian and other characters into the fray. It'd be awesome.

Oh I'm a huge fan of the direction they took in Batman Beyond, from beginning to end.  I doubt though that they could bring Damian into a DCAU mix though, as if you go by what Barbara said in RotJ, Bruce never took on another sidekick after Tim Drake.  Still though, I'm going to check out that comic.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on May 29, 2010, 04:25:28 AM
Well in an interview, Morrison said that Damian was his favorite character to write for currently.  I agree though, I like Dickbats as well. What I'm curious about is when this is all over what becomes of Tim.  Does he continue to work with Bruce, or do he and Dick work together while Bruce & Damian form there own B&R team.  Either way, I'm loving it right now. 

Oh I'm a huge fan of the direction they took in Batman Beyond, from beginning to end.  I doubt though that they could bring Damian into a DCAU mix though, as if you go by what Barbara said in RotJ, Bruce never took on another sidekick after Tim Drake.  Still though, I'm going to check out that comic.
Tim's slowly building a reputation for himself in Red Robin. Facing the entire League of Assassins plus Ra's himself, for one. I'm not fond of him ripping off Doctor Mid-Nite, though. Although it's been parodied already in the very series. And the way I see it, it should be like this. After Bruce comes back, he's sure to be reinvented, since Morrison's having him experience ALOT of things, as he said, to recreate what led him to become Batman, in a completely different way. One thing I haven't liked about Batman in the 2000s, before Morrison, is that he had become a constant scowl. He never smiled, never did anything because he liked it. Batman was "the [dark hold]" in the JLA, never doing anything as an actual superhero, like he did in the 90's. Him smiling whenever he tried to cheer up a kid, being inspired by the Gray Ghost, acting as a true human being instead of just a perfect-at-everything [Bumpity-Boom!] who's way too professional to consider any human kindness. I'm VERY hopeful, since Morrison loves to get things from the Golden Age and bring them back in cool ways. And I'm thinking Batman is going to smile again, or at least be happier. He already has a huge family who respects, admires, and loves him. I'd LOVE IT if he got the balls to do something status-quo changing, like proposing to Selina or something. The last few pages of Heart of Hush brought be to think he could really be happier that way. And I'd love to see Batman brought to a dynamic similar to how the Flashes and Green Lanterns handle. There could be two Batmen. Dick and Damian in Bludhaven, handling things their way and bring generally wacky. Bruce in Gotham, soloing for awhile, doing his usual gritty detective work and sometimes fighting dimensions, gods and demons, in true Morrison "Batgod style". All the while, being more open, more true to himself, enjoying what he does more, more often. I want him to return to his own time, walk up to Wayne manor in the rain and hug Alfred, soaked in tears. I want him to meet Jim Gordon out in the porch of his place, carrying a six-pack and talk about the good ol' days. I want him to high-five Clark and tell a joke. All that while saving the world one more time. Because he's Batman.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on May 29, 2010, 04:37:32 AM
Superman - "I'd stay and help, but I'm due back in Metropolis."

Batman - "Another key to the city?"

It's dialog like this between Bruce and Clark why I love the writing of the DCAU so much. 
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on May 29, 2010, 04:44:02 AM
Superman - "I'd stay and help, but I'm due back in Metropolis."

Batman - "Another key to the city?"

It's dialog like this between Bruce and Clark why I love the writing of the DCAU so much. 
That, or that golden dialogue in the finale:

Bats: "Alright, we'll give you a 5 minute running start."
Supes: "5 minutes? You're getting old."
Bats: "Don't you have a building to jump over?"

Dini's a genius at writing cheered up Batman.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on May 29, 2010, 04:46:08 AM
He's good at just writing dry wit Batman too!

*falling*

Batman - "I need air support.........because I can't fly.........at all........................Now would be a good time."
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on May 29, 2010, 04:52:13 AM
It's similar to why Bruce gave up being Batman in the first place, because he was forced to pull a gun on someone to save his own life.  
Funny thing though about that- even though that WAS why, he still kept making Bat stuff, Like the exo suit, and the New Batmobile... but by then, his heart condition had gotten so much more advanced, ( and him even older, and probably out of shape,) that He couldn't USE the exo suit. I think the main reason that he was so bitter as an old man, was not only because of the Powers takeover, and the REASON he gave up the cowl- but because he COULDNT become batman again, even if he wanted to. His heart condition was pretty bad, just giving  few whacks to some jokerz excited his heart.

He's good at just writing dry wit Batman too!

*falling*

Batman - "I need air support.........because I can't fly.........at all........................Now would be a good time."
One of the best lines.

I swear, its amazing how Clark and Bruce interact. Its like Superman just cant HELP but act the way he does around Bats, given bats is, to quote Heath ledger- "why so serious?" DCAU batman crosses the edge of dark, into downright antisocial, so its like, "lol, lighten up"

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Beyond ended right where it should have ended (along with the whole DCAU universe, in a way)
So true. Its really amazing how well they ended it. I mean... Its just perfect. Terry finally Inherited the Batman theme, and finally came to grips with his origins after learning them, and his father son relationship with Bruce solidified.

Fate truly is something eh? in the end, he still lost a parent, something which eventually brought him to Wayne's doorstep, and into "his world" However, unlike Wayne, who lost both parents very traumatically and grew up with that, Terry still had his mother. So while his father's death motivated him, and pushed him as batman, he wasnt as bitter and grim as Bruce had been. Although unlike Bruce, he was able to get revenge on his fathers killer. BOTH of them.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on May 29, 2010, 04:56:58 AM
Funny thing though about that- even though that WAS why, he still kept making Bat stuff, Like the exo suit, and the New Batmobile... but by then, his heart condition had gotten so much more advanced, ( and him even older, and probably out of shape,) that He couldn't USE the exo suit. I think the main reason that he was so bitter as an old man, was not only because of the Powers takeover, and the REASON he gave up the cowl- but because he COULDNT become batman again, even if he wanted to. His heart condition was pretty bad, just giving  few whacks to some jokerz excited his heart.
One of the best lines.

I swear, its amazing how Clark and Bruce interact. Its like Superman just cant HELP but act the way he does around Bats, given bats is, to quote Heath ledger- "why so serious?" DCAU batman crosses the edge of dark, into downright antisocial, so its like, "lol, lighten up"
...and funny how, even after all that, Bruce still picked up the cowl a few time to knock some heads. Including Terry's.

And Bruce and Clark are best friends. Clark has quite alot of friends, from Diana to Jimmy Olsen, Perry White... But nobody he trusts with both his life and death. They may not hang out civily, and have a few arguments now and then. But I don't think there's anyone Clark trusts more in the world, in ANYTHING at all, than Bruce.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on May 29, 2010, 04:59:21 AM
Funny thing though about that- even though that WAS why, he still kept making Bat stuff, Like the exo suit, and the New Batmobile... but by then, his heart condition had gotten so much more advanced, ( and him even older, and probably out of shape,) that He couldn't USE the exo suit. I think the main reason that he was so bitter as an old man, was not only because of the Powers takeover, and the REASON he gave up the cowl- but because he COULDNT become batman again, even if he wanted to. His heart condition was pretty bad, just giving  few whacks to some jokerz excited his heart.

The Exo suit was made before he quit being Batman.  As for the Batmobile, we don't know when it was made, but since it interacts with the suit, it's possible it was also made before he stopped being Batman.  Like Terry said, Bruce wouldn't have let a simple heart condition stop him from being Batman, and he's right.

Also, it's the fact that he winds up a bitter, lonely old man why I love the show so much.  To me, it represents one of the truest outcomes of what would happen to Bruce Wayne.

And Bruce and Clark are best friends. Clark has quite alot of friends, from Diana to Jimmy Olsen, Perry White... But nobody he trusts with both his life and death. They may not hang out civily, and have a few arguments now and then. But I don't think there's anyone Clark trusts more in the world, in ANYTHING at all, than Bruce.

The speech that Bruce gives in the JL episode Hereafter is timeless.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on May 29, 2010, 05:08:02 AM
Really? I always liked the idea of Bruce eventually having second thoughts about quitting, and trying to get back in the game, only failing due to his heart.

but when you mention it- We were never told if he knew of his heart condition prior to his heart attack... So its possible he already knew.
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...and funny how, even after all that, Bruce still picked up the cowl a few time to knock some heads. Including Terry's.

And Bruce and Clark are best friends. Clark has quite alot of friends, from Diana to Jimmy Olsen, Perry White... But nobody he trusts with both his life and death. They may not hang out civily, and have a few arguments now and then. But I don't think there's anyone Clark trusts more in the world, in ANYTHING at all, than Bruce.
well of course, I never said he didn't. Bruce picking up the cowl was in the comics right? I know I saw an image of Terry fighting old bruce dressed as Batman.

Though in the series, he donned the Exo suit and kicked Inque around a bit.

this first clip has GOT to be my FAVORITE moment in the whole series, followed closely by Freezes return.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqRATvE-gXo[/youtube]



Posted on: May 28, 2010, 10:05:00 PM
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Also, it's the fact that he winds up a bitter, lonely old man why I love the show so much.  To me, it represents one of the truest outcomes of what would happen to Bruce Wayne.
Very true, Very true. Timm brought that up in the first DVD. how Bruce dedicated his life to stopping crime, and what did it bring him?

Gotham is STILL filled with Crime, and hes quote- "A bitter old man in a giant mausoleum with a dog as his only companion"

And Yet, Terry fires him up again, warming up Bruces  bitter heart. Batmand Beyond Bruce smiles far more often than he did when he was younger in the DCAU.


I think that Old old bruce in Epilogue- was probbaly based on- at least partly, on Old Bruces original concept, where he was even OLDER, bald, had scars, and a blind eye.

or maybe its just me. But they did make a minor flub in epilogue, replacing the original batsuit in the background with the beyond one, while the last capsule was I think empty.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on May 29, 2010, 05:19:47 AM
Really? I always liked the idea of Bruce eventually having second thoughts about quitting, and trying to get back in the game, only failing due to his heart.

but when you mention it- We were never told if he knew of his heart condition prior to his heart attack... So its possible he already knew.

He definitely knew of his heart condition beforehand.  He mentions that the exosuit put too great a strain on his heart, which is why he designed the current Batsuit that Terry wears.

Again though, it's the symbolism of why he quits that's so brilliantly done.  In order to save his life and the life of the hostage, he had to point a gun at someone.  He could've just used a gun all his life, but he didn't because of what guns represent to him.  It's that shock that makes him quit, not just his heart.  Even Terry doesn't buy the heart condition excuse.

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And Yet, Terry fires him up again, warming up Bruces heart. Batmand Beyond Bruce smiles far more often than he did when he was younger in the DCAU.

I don't know if that's true.  DCAU Bruce smiled quite a bit.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on May 29, 2010, 05:23:27 AM
Although I do see a lot more "warmth" as it were- in old Bruce. Its sort of the Father son Relationship that they have. Terry is a sharp young kid. His personality and the way he interacts with bruce is brilliant.

I dunno, but I definitely notice a difference, very slight, in his personality. It could be the fact that he grew so bitter and now that he can basically fight again, (through Terry,) he is coming out of his shell, hell, he even took back his corporation in Return of the Joker, after Paxton went to jail in- "kings ransom", was it?
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Turian on May 29, 2010, 05:28:38 AM
My favorite animated movie of all time was and is Batman Beyond:Return of the Joker Unedited. It's rare and awesome. There is so much content that was edited out, and I didn't wanna miss any of it.

My favorite line has gotta be:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nYaBdNsZFY#t=1m44s[/youtube]

Since I can't get deep linking to work, fast forward to 1:44.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on May 29, 2010, 05:31:28 AM
Although I do see a lot more "warmth" as it were- in old Bruce. Its sort of the Father son Relationship that they have. Terry is a sharp young kid. His personality and the way he interacts with bruce is brilliant.

I dunno, but I definitely notice a difference, very slight, in his personality. It could be the fact that he grew so bitter and now that he can basically fight again, (through Terry,) he is coming out of his shell, hell, he even took back his corporation in Return of the Joker, after Paxton went to jail in- "kings ransom", was it?

I just meant the smiling more aspect.  But Terry definitely bring a spark back into Bruce's life, no doubt about it.

My favorite animated movie of all time was and is Batman Beyond:Return of the Joker Unedited. It's rare and awesome. There is so much content that was edited out, and I didn't wanna miss any of it.

My favorite line has gotta be:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nYaBdNsZFY#t=1m44s[/youtube]

Since I can't get deep linking to work, fast forward to 1:44.

Haha, with all the great quotes in that movie, you did pick a good one.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on May 29, 2010, 05:33:06 AM
Although I do see a lot more "warmth" as it were- in old Bruce. Its sort of the Father son Relationship that they have. Terry is a sharp young kid. His personality and the way he interacts with bruce is brilliant.

I dunno, but I definitely notice a difference, very slight, in his personality. It could be the fact that he grew so bitter and now that he can basically fight again, (through Terry,) he is coming out of his shell, hell, he even took back his corporation in Return of the Joker, after Paxton went to jail in- "kings ransom", was it?
There's quite a bit of character evolution, and what was basically a happy ending for Bruce. He got a SON who made him proud. That's more than Batman could ever hope for, in a dark future like that.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on May 29, 2010, 05:36:09 AM
There's quite a bit of character evolution, and what was basically a happy ending for Bruce. He got a SON who made him proud. That's more than Batman could ever hope for, in a dark future like that.

The beauty of it is that we don't know if Bruce knows if Terry is his son or not.  According to the episode he doesn't know, but again Bruce was "always 2 steps ahead of everyone" as Waller says.  He could know.  The great thing is that it doesn't really matter.  He knows that Terry will continue the good fight as long as he lives.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on May 29, 2010, 05:37:44 AM
The beauty of it is that we don't know if Bruce knows if Terry is his son or not.  According to the episode he doesn't know, but again Bruce was "always 2 steps ahead of everyone" as Waller says.  He could know.  The great thing is that it doesn't really matter.  He knows that Terry will continue the good fight as long as he lives.
Of course Bruce knew. He's Batman. The point of it is that he always knows what's implied, and it was VERY implied. Bruce treats Terry more like a son than he had ever treated Dick or Tim.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on May 29, 2010, 05:40:54 AM
I just meant the smiling more aspect.  But Terry definitely bring a spark back into Bruce's life, no doubt about it.
The fact that Bruce is coming out of his antisocial reclusive life to aid Terry, definitely makes it much more noticable when he smiles and stff. its like, "hes feelin' it again"

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Haha, with all the great quotes in that movie, you did pick a good one.
I was gonna pick a joker one... But then I realized that would be impossible, since ALL his lines were good.
but my favorite moment is there, at 8:18.


Posted on: May 28, 2010, 10:39:42 PM
Also, in Epilogue, didnt he confirm that he had already known for a while?
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on May 29, 2010, 05:43:02 AM
Of course Bruce knew. He's Batman. The point of it is that he always knows what's implied, and it was VERY implied. Bruce treats Terry more like a son than he had ever treated Dick or Tim.

I think he knew too, but it's never shown that he knows.  That's what I meant.  And I don't know that Bruce treats Terry more like a son than Dick or Tim.  We never know what happened to Dick.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on May 29, 2010, 05:49:48 AM
I think he knew too, but it's never shown that he knows.  That's what I meant.  And I don't know that Bruce treats Terry more like a son than Dick or Tim.  We never know what happened to Dick.
Dick is mentioned in an episode. He's been protecting Bludhaven though these years as Nightwing.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on May 29, 2010, 05:50:52 AM
Dick is mentioned in an episode. He's been protecting Bludhaven though these years as Nightwing.

I think that would make Bruce proud.  Despite their difference, Dick is still fighting the good fight in the end, just like he knows Terry will.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Turian on May 29, 2010, 05:55:01 AM
It would be cool if Terry and Dick met. Too bad Batman Beyond is canceled.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on May 29, 2010, 06:01:11 AM
Not canceled. Ended. Epilogue in JLU gave it a proper ending. meaning that it officially ended. Although that doesnt mean they cant fit anything in between Return of The Joker and Epilogue...

Personally, I want to see more of the Future JLU. I thought The call was an awesome episode.
That and one of Terry's funniest moments.
"How fast can this thing go?"
"Mach 5."
"Is that faster than a speeding bullet?"

Speaking of JLU and Future JLU...
Im just going to drop this here...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PETk8eBbfN0[/youtube]
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on May 29, 2010, 06:44:09 AM
Not canceled. Ended. Epilogue in JLU gave it a proper ending. meaning that it officially ended. Although that doesnt mean they cant fit anything in between Return of The Joker and Epilogue...

Personally, I want to see more of the Future JLU. I thought The call was an awesome episode.
That and one of Terry's funniest moments.
"How fast can this thing go?"
"Mach 5."
"Is that faster than a speeding bullet?"

Speaking of JLU and Future JLU...
Im just going to drop this here...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PETk8eBbfN0[/youtube]
Um... you HAVE heard of the comic continuation of Batman Beyond, right? Coming soon?
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Turian on May 29, 2010, 06:51:13 AM
What?! For real man? No I hadn't heard of it. But I am gonna go do some research right now.Thanks!
(http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/03/bmbv2_cv1.jpg)
Six issue mini starting in June.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on May 29, 2010, 09:48:09 AM
Hey, Switching a bit here, I remember the purpose of Gotham knight, aside from making a small bridge story to Dark Knight, was to try different anime styles for him and then the one that works out the best would become the next animated batman movie or something.
Did they ever reveal which one was most popular? AKA which one won?

Personally, while they were all awesome, I liked Studio 4°C's Working Through Pain, and Madhouses Deadshot.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Saber on May 29, 2010, 02:16:26 PM
Hey, Switching a bit here, I remember the purpose of Gotham knight, aside from making a small bridge story to Dark Knight, was to try different anime styles for him and then the one that works out the best would become the next animated batman movie or something.
Did they ever reveal which one was most popular? AKA which one won?

Personally, while they were all awesome, I liked Studio 4°C's Working Through Pain, and Madhouses Deadshot.

I don't even remember any such claims.

But well, the next animated Batman movie is coming out this July, Batman - Under the Red Hood. For the moment, it looks like DC is more focussing on in-house animation, while Marvel is experimenting with anime studios.

Speaking of DC's in-house movies, am I the only one who's annoyed by them switching voice actors all the time? Call me an elitist, but for me, every incarnation of Batman has to be Kevin Conroy. He has more experience with the character than all other voice actors and actors put together and he's ultra-popular with the fanbase, so why?
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on May 29, 2010, 03:05:12 PM
I don't even remember any such claims.

But well, the next animated Batman movie is coming out this July, Batman - Under the Red Hood. For the moment, it looks like DC is more focussing on in-house animation, while Marvel is experimenting with anime studios.

Speaking of DC's in-house movies, am I the only one who's annoyed by them switching voice actors all the time? Call me an elitist, but for me, every incarnation of Batman has to be Kevin Conroy. He has more experience with the character than all other voice actors and actors put together and he's ultra-popular with the fanbase, so why?
They've said TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN that the only reason they're not sticking with Conroy/Hamill, is because they don't want people to think this is connected to the DCAU. They'll still be there in minor roles because they love the saga, like Conroy, who appeared in Batman: Brave and the Bold, in the episode "The Super Batman Of Planet X", playing the Batman of Zur Eh Arr. Plus, you can trust Bruce Greenwood. I've been following his work for years, he's one of my favorite actors. If there's anyone I ever imagined playing a seasoned and experienced Batman, it's him.


What?! For real man? No I hadn't heard of it. But I am gonna go do some research right now.Thanks!
(http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/03/bmbv2_cv1.jpg)
Six issue mini starting in June.
Related to that... sorry to burst your bubble, but the comic is being trusted to one of the worst teams of all time. Writer Adam Beechen (who wrote the horrible Countdown, the series so [tornado fang]ing awful it had to be almost completely retconned, along with The Batman, the only Batman show I truly disliked) and artist Ryan Benjamin (whose drawn facial expressions are always in the "OUTRAAAGEOUS!" territory, and whose style doesn't fit the Batman Beyond AT ALL). I don't want to get your hopes up, that's all. Maybe, just MAYBE this will turn out to be half good. But Dini was who made Terry awesome. And he's not involved.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on May 29, 2010, 08:25:25 PM
I don't even remember any such claims.

In the first look for it I think. "the most popular one will be the face of the next animated something something"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuSwj5ok24k
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Turian on May 29, 2010, 09:36:28 PM

Related to that... sorry to burst your bubble, but the comic is being trusted to one of the worst teams of all time. Writer Adam Beechen (who wrote the horrible Countdown, the series so [tornado fang]ing awful it had to be almost completely retconned, along with The Batman, the only Batman show I truly disliked) and artist Ryan Benjamin (whose drawn facial expressions are always in the "OUTRAAAGEOUS!" territory, and whose style doesn't fit the Batman Beyond AT ALL). I don't want to get your hopes up, that's all. Maybe, just MAYBE this will turn out to be half good. But Dini was who made Terry awesome. And he's not involved.

Countdown to adventure, right? Never read it. Maybe thats a good thing?
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on May 29, 2010, 09:39:35 PM
Countdown to adventure, right? Never read it. Maybe thats a good thing?
Countdown to Final Crisis. One of the worst stories DC has ever shat out. And since it pretty much 90% contradicts with Final Crisis, it was mostly non-canon.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on May 29, 2010, 10:03:56 PM
And since it pretty much 90% contradicts with Final Crisis, it was mostly non-canon.
Lol, THERE'S a "way to go," moment.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on May 29, 2010, 10:31:41 PM
Lol, THERE'S a "way to go," moment.
?
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on May 29, 2010, 10:57:39 PM
make a comic, (or series of) thats supposed to lead into another, and then have half of it be non canon anyway.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Gaia on May 29, 2010, 10:59:31 PM
make a comic, (or series of) thats supposed to lead into another, and then have half of it be non canon anyway.

And kill off (or make them dissapear with some sort of event) whatever characters DC finds "useless" too. Remember the Teen Titans (read the goddamn comics before going off on this)?

Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Turian on May 29, 2010, 11:20:04 PM
Countdown to Final Crisis. One of the worst stories DC has ever shat out. And since it pretty much 90% contradicts with Final Crisis, it was mostly non-canon.

Countdown to adventure was part of countdown to final crisis. And it was the only series he wrote by himself. Thus the reason I thought you where referring to that series in particular. As far as countdown goes, it made perfect sense in the context that it wasn't supposed to make sense because of it taking place on an alternate earth/earths. I thought it lead up to final crisis quite well. Then again ignore me, i'm a DC whore.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on May 30, 2010, 12:43:59 AM
As far as countdown goes, it made perfect sense in the context that it wasn't supposed to make sense because of it taking place on an alternate earth/earths. I thought it lead up to final crisis quite well. Then again ignore me, i'm a DC whore.

It didn't, actually.  Trust me, I'm a DC whore as well and I can tell you wholeheartedly that Countdown to Final Crisis was easily one of the worst series ever.  The ending of it makes absolutely no sense and contradicts Final Crisis itself.  Final Crisis itself is brilliant.  I love the way Grant Morrison writes the New Gods.  I have ever since the Rock of Ages JLA story arc.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on May 30, 2010, 01:48:18 AM
Countdown to adventure was part of countdown to final crisis. And it was the only series he wrote by himself. Thus the reason I thought you where referring to that series in particular. As far as countdown goes, it made perfect sense in the context that it wasn't supposed to make sense because of it taking place on an alternate earth/earths. I thought it lead up to final crisis quite well. Then again ignore me, i'm a DC whore.
I'm a gigantic DC whore, and Countdown to Final Crisis made no sense. Officially, this is what happened:

Grant Morrison thinks up Final Crisis, Didio accepts it. Morrison asks people not to use the New Gods in the next few years so he can make a real blast with his storyline.

...Didio, still mad that 52 didn't end up the way he wanted it to be (and was incredibly good), deems Countdown "52 done right", and makes it so it has a Death of the New Gods plot, along with tons of clusterfucks, and little to none Morrison involvement.

...it ends up in absolute [parasitic bomb], and most has to be retconned. Final Crisis is still ONE HELL OF A BOOK. One of the best comics I've ever read, and still the one comic I own which has post-it notes on every single page explaining interpretations of every single sign and event.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 04, 2010, 02:58:14 PM
AW HELL YEAH

SUPERMAN/BATMAN ANNUAL #4 IS OUT.

AND GUESS WHAT

(http://www.dccomics.com/media/product/1/4/14961_400x600.jpg)

IT'S BEYOND, BABY! And the story is quite excellent, might I say. Recommended read to all. (PM me for download links if you're not in the position to buy it and plan to later =P)
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Rin on June 04, 2010, 05:38:37 PM
I've read it just a moment ago.
[spoiler]Luthor's "Noooo..." made me laugh.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 04, 2010, 05:51:15 PM
Makes me so sad that Beechen's in charge of the upcoming Beyond miniseries. All the guy knows is how to screw up a good series with potencial.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on June 04, 2010, 09:50:06 PM
I'll read it when I go pick up comics today.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 04, 2010, 10:34:04 PM
Dammit, this comic made me so nostalgic for more Beyond. I sure hope that when this miniseries is over, they continue the story with other, BETTER authors. I'd honestly like to see either Dini doing what he does best with his creations, or Morrison's imput in Earth 14. (the DCAU Earth)
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on June 04, 2010, 10:39:02 PM
I don't know....Morrison's mind might be too crazy for the DCAU!   8)
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 04, 2010, 11:41:04 PM
I don't know....Morrison's mind might be too crazy for the DCAU!   8)
I just kinda want to see what he would do to Earth 14, since it's already stated in his own personal canon (and so far, the DCU's) that Damian is the one who inherits the Batman's cowl after everyone else retires or dies. I LOVE, LOOOOOOOOOOVE Damian. But as an obnoxious little Robin. I honestly like Terry better as a new kind of Batman for the future. And as I've seen, Morrison's Batman One Million is a bit like that.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on June 04, 2010, 11:45:31 PM
As far as Damian is concerned, when Morrison is concerned, I don't think any future is certain.  As for Terry, I think he's a fantastic future Batman, probably the best I've ever come across.  I'm a huge fan of his character, and I love the speech Waller gives to him at the end of Epilogue.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 05, 2010, 12:05:34 AM
As far as Damian is concerned, when Morrison is concerned, I don't think any future is certain.  As for Terry, I think he's a fantastic future Batman, probably the best I've ever come across.  I'm a huge fan of his character, and I love the speech Waller gives to him at the end of Epilogue.
You kidding? HYPERCRISIS, man. Morrison makes a point to pretty much connect everything he's ever done in comics. XD Dude put both the Golden Superman and Solaris the Tyrant Sun from DC One Million in All-Star Superman, his Barbatos monster threat originally comes from a cult in his very own Batman: Gothic, he has been doing the Final Crisis events for YEARS NOW (no, it's still not over =P) and TINY elements from his Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on A Serious Earth have crossed over into the current saga. The guy is MENTAL with continuity.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on June 05, 2010, 12:16:21 AM
Hmmmmmm, valid points actually, but All Star Superman isn't canon.  That Batman comic was, and so I still think that the future of Bruce & Damian in the canon could be altered a bit.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 05, 2010, 12:29:13 AM
Hmmmmmm, valid points actually, but All Star Superman isn't canon.  That Batman comic was, and so I still think that the future of Bruce & Damian in the canon could be altered a bit.
All-Star Superman isn't canon...

...YET.

We all saw what happened with Batman: Son of the Demon. =P
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Rin on June 05, 2010, 12:30:33 AM
You kidding? HYPERCRISIS, man. Morrison makes a point to pretty much connect everything he's ever done in comics. XD Dude put both the Golden Superman and Solaris the Tyrant Sun from DC One Million in All-Star Superman, his Barbatos monster threat originally comes from a cult in his very own Batman: Gothic, he has been doing the Final Crisis events for YEARS NOW (no, it's still not over =P) and TINY elements from his Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on A Serious Earth have crossed over into the current saga. The guy is MENTAL with continuity.
[parasitic bomb].
Morrison sounds like my kinda guy.
I too, am [tornado fang]ing crazy about the continuity in my "stories(which I have yet to write [tornado fang]ing down as... well, ACTUAL STORIES).

Anyway, I too like Terry as FUTURE BATMAN FROM THE DISTANT FUTURE.
I just like him, even tough I didn't like Batman Beyond THAT MUCH.
(still, the episode with Future Justice League, and Return of the Joker are one of my favorities.)
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 05, 2010, 12:41:58 AM
[parasitic bomb].
Morrison sounds like my kinda guy.
I too, am [tornado fang]ing crazy about the continuity in my "stories(which I have yet to write [tornado fang]ing down as... well, ACTUAL STORIES).

Anyway, I too like Terry as FUTURE BATMAN FROM THE DISTANT FUTURE.
I just like him, even tough I didn't like Batman Beyond THAT MUCH.
(still, the episode with Future Justice League, and Return of the Joker are one of my favorities.)
Here. I'll tell you how Hypercrisis works.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/1270191664069.jpg)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/1270191664069.jpg
This is pretty much how we found out Oberon Sexton was Joker long before the reveal.

And this... is the Barbatos Immortality Theory:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/IMMORTALITY1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/immortality2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/immortality3.jpg

As we can see, Morrison keeps trying to take Hurt away from being the devil in his original story, and humanize him more as a dark villain who just wants to destroy Batman and fulfill his nefarious purposes.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on June 05, 2010, 12:59:38 AM
All-Star Superman isn't canon...

...YET.

We all saw what happened with Batman: Son of the Demon. =P

Very true!  XD

If they made an Absolute All Star Superman, I'd probably buy it.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 05, 2010, 01:01:41 AM
Very true!  XD

If they made an Absolute All Star Superman, I'd probably buy it.
I consider All-Star Superman the equivalent of Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow, only instead of being the last Silver Age story, it's the last Modern Age story.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on June 05, 2010, 01:02:51 AM
I consider All-Star Superman the equivalent of Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow, only instead of being the last Silver Age story, it's the last Modern Age story.

Yeah, definitely.  Personally, I think it's better than WHTTMOT!
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 05, 2010, 01:09:40 AM
Yeah, definitely.  Personally, I think it's better than WHTTMOT!
It is. Best Superman tale ever told, in my opinion. It basically tells us everything Superman ever was and is. My only problem with it being canon or not, is that he's not married to Lois, and Pa Kent dies there again. I don't mind Pa Kent coming back, but Clark and Lois is one of those couples I REALLY, REALLY REALLY wouldn't want to Mephisto.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on June 05, 2010, 01:14:30 AM
It is. Best Superman tale ever told, in my opinion. It basically tells us everything Superman ever was and is. My only problem with it being canon or not, is that he's not married to Lois, and Pa Kent dies there again. I don't mind Pa Kent coming back, but Clark and Lois is one of those couples I REALLY, REALLY REALLY wouldn't want to Mephisto.

I really REALLY don't think DC is stupid enough to OMD Superman & Lois.  Also, can't argue that it's not the best Supes tale ever told, cause I think it is.  I would love to see DC make an animated movie based on it, like they did DC New Frontier.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 05, 2010, 03:33:07 PM
I really REALLY don't think DC is stupid enough to OMD Superman & Lois.  Also, can't argue that it's not the best Supes tale ever told, cause I think it is.
Stupider things have happened. May I count the ways?

- Turning Green Lantern into a universe destroyer was one of them.
- Remember what they did to Batgirl? First, they turned away from her cute River Tam-like character who kicked ass and couldn't read, and turned her into a generic [classy lady]. Then they replaced her with a dumb blonde who runs around the city in her vibratormobile and whose only good moments in the comic stem from Damian calling her a whore. And now, aparently, she's a villain in Birds of Prey, and if my conspiracy theories are correct, Gail Simone is trying to apply to her the old Christian Warrior concept she pitched to DC years ago. Urgh.
- Making a Crisis on Infinite Earths sequel where they make Superboy Prime into a metaphor for whiny fans who murders everything, make old good characters evil, and takes Kal-L, the ORIGINAL SUPERMAN, from his well-deserved happy ending, into dying tragically. (I liked Infinite Crisis, but Johns sure shat around the pre-established characters). Crisis was supposed to set the DCU back on track. But suddenly they decided they LOVE MULTIVERSES.
- Did I mention the REALITY PUNCH?
- "Loeb, we're two issues away from the ending. But we suddenly decided you can't make Jason Todd Hush's real identity. We decided we're never bringing him back. No, you can't make Two-Face him either, we're gonna keep him as a GOOD CHARACTER. Why don't you use that one guy... you know, that friend of Bruce who died in the beginning? Just make some bullshit excuse like he's always hated Bruce or something. You know, [parasitic bomb] all over Jim Lee's lovely art. I know this'll have you work long hours, but you'll be able to spend time with your son later."
- "Hey, you know what would be cool? Let's bring Jason Todd back. Yeah, let's retcon to say Hush had both HIM AND CLAYFACE, and uh... HE SWITCHED HALFWAY THROUGH THE COMBAT!" And, um... make Two-Face bad again!
- Let's not forget the biggest damn blow of them all. [parasitic bomb] ALL OVER FAN'S FACES. They made it as if Maxwell Lord, a blatantly funny character in a comedy comic and an important part to the DCU, had SUDDENLY BEEN EVIL ALL ALONG. All for the sake of murdering Ted Kord in a nasty, bloody way, just for the sake of unnecessary drama for a sideplot in Infinite Crisis. Yes, turn away years of character development in Justice League, Justice League International, Justice League Europe, Superbuddies and all other appearances, just for cheap drama. And break up the Gold and Blue team. ;_;
- Make a book in which Star City is blown up by a small-time character who everyone insists should be the villanous Batman, everyone acts out of character and yells "JUSTIIIIICE" alot, and Hal Jordan is revealed to have put two distinctive, evolved and strong female characters who'd never want to even look at him... IN A THREESOME. Oh, and ruin Green Arrow's reputation in the process, while making him live in a whatthefuckorest like Robin Hood.

Damn it, DC. WHY do you do this?

Quote
I would love to see DC make an animated movie based on it, like they did DC New Frontier.
Honestly? Wouldn't work without Quitely's art. I've had dreams about an All-Star Superman series, and the ONLY way it would work, was if it was made like this:

- High quality series like the ones produced in the 90's MTV. Remember The Maxx, or Aeon Flux? Hell, Maxx pretty much picked every single panel from the comic and animated it. Best cartoon-comic adaptation ever.
- Art direction, while not having to follow Quitely all the time (He's my favorite artist but I still think he draws women's faces in a funny way and sometimes makes kids look like old men), would have to be close. That means employing a TON of professional artists and animators, Disney-caliber ones. Maybe get some of those hardcore asian animation studios. The guys who made Paprika would be awesome in coloring and big detailing.
- Not make it a simple cartoon show. Warner Bros could make it a kind of cult show, a superproduction meant for a high quality adaptation of the story. Push Superman AS HARD AS THEY'VE EVER PUSHED HIM. I want him to reach the popularity his first movies had. And that way, they could make an AMAZING hit, and bring All-Star Superman to places it's never gone before.

In the end? We'd pretty much have the best goddamn cartoon of all time. PERIOD.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on June 05, 2010, 06:17:27 PM
Everything you described I have less of a problem with than OMD.  I am one of the few people who have NO problem with the reality punching aspect of Infinite Crisis because in the long run, it's a comic book, so I love that silly otherworldly [parasitic bomb].  I mean Superman could once move planets.  With Batgirl, I don't follow her that much so I had no idea, and thus don't care much about her, which incarnation of her she is.  Last I saw she was the Spoiler chick.  With the Multiverse, I always liked the Multiverse.  I expect them to screw it up or not use it in some way, but I never had a problem with it, despite how much I loved Crisis on Infinite Earfs.  Oh, I'll admit the Jason Todd handling was utter tripe, so no arguments there.  As for Prometheus, I was a huge fan of his when Morrison brought him onto the scene in JLA.  That's pretty much all I ever followed of the character, until the whole Green Arrow thing.  Believe me, with GA, Max Lord, and the other stuff, I'm not the hugest fan of "dark, gritty, & bloody" DC, but despite all of that, I still think OMD is the worst comic event ever, culminating a 5-6 year run of Spider-Man that was absolute garbage. 

Yeah, the Maxx animation would work well for an All Star Supes movie.  And I think they could do Frank's art well enough for animation.

Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 05, 2010, 06:42:33 PM
Everything you described I have less of a problem with than OMD.  I am one of the few people who have NO problem with the reality punching aspect of Infinite Crisis because in the long run, it's a comic book, so I love that silly otherworldly [parasitic bomb].  I mean Superman could once move planets.  With Batgirl, I don't follow her that much so I had no idea, and thus don't care much about her, which incarnation of her she is.  Last I saw she was the Spoiler chick.  With the Multiverse, I always liked the Multiverse.  I expect them to screw it up or not use it in some way, but I never had a problem with it, despite how much I loved Crisis on Infinite Earfs.  Oh, I'll admit the Jason Todd handling was utter tripe, so no arguments there.  As for Prometheus, I was a huge fan of his when Morrison brought him onto the scene in JLA.  That's pretty much all I ever followed of the character, until the whole Green Arrow thing.  Believe me, with GA, Max Lord, and the other stuff, I'm not the hugest fan of "dark, gritty, & bloody" DC, but despite all of that, I still think OMD is the worst comic event ever, culminating a 5-6 year run of Spider-Man that was absolute garbage. 

Yeah, the Maxx animation would work well for an All Star Supes movie.  And I think they could do Frank's art well enough for animation.


Listen, I still hate OMD more than pretty much any single retcon event in history, because it was a comic that serves only that ONE single purpose. To rid Spider-Man of his marriage. It served no other purpose whatsoever. Bringing back Harry was simply a stupid little bonus which didn't even make sense, but on the whole? The book is simply Quesada saying "Peter is no longer married because I like it better, and aside from the American Son arc, none of his 616 comics will be anything more than pointless shitty drama."

You still gotta admit that DC can do stupid retcons for the sake of nothing at all. Retconning Clark and Lois would simply take a nutty editor taking over after Didio, and deciding he likes Clark better without Lois. I mean, All-Star Superman used that mechanic of Lois not respecting Clark, but going nuts about Supes. Batgirl, you might have not followed her around much, but she was an incredibly good character. And she was needlessly ruined. Prometheus, well... Morrison can make any character be awesome, no matter how ridiculous he, she or it is. Prometheus hasn't appeared much, but in Hush Returns for example, he was atrocious, and that arc brought us what was possibly the worst Joker of all time. (A mafia boss who didn't smile, have a rich mansion of his own, spent all the time whining about his wife and what happened to her in The Killing Joke, and didn't care about Batman, just about finding who set the conspiracy to kill her back then, who aparently, Ed Nigma saw. It was [tornado fang]ing stupid, and it's not clear how much of it is canon). Anyway, the least said about him, the better. Green Arrow's pretty much ruined for good, as well as the characterization of everyone in Cry for Justice. And about Max Lord... well, they pretty much made a retcon of the WHOLE 90's period of the Justice League. All of it. Heck, from 1987 to 2004. And people loved him as a manipulative bastard who was essencially a good guy. I just hope the new JLI book can fix him, if just a little bit of it. What I've read of it... I'm hopeful.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on June 05, 2010, 06:52:27 PM
Listen, I still hate OMD more than pretty much any single retcon event in history, because it was a comic that serves only that ONE single purpose. To rid Spider-Man of his marriage. It served no other purpose whatsoever. Bringing back Harry was simply a stupid little bonus which didn't even make sense, but on the whole? The book is simply Quesada saying "Peter is no longer married because I like it better, and aside from the American Son arc, none of his 616 comics will be anything more than pointless shitty drama."

You still gotta admit that DC can do stupid retcons for the sake of nothing at all. Retconning Clark and Lois would simply take a nutty editor taking over after Didio, and deciding he likes Clark better without Lois. I mean, All-Star Superman used that mechanic of Lois not respecting Clark, but going nuts about Supes. Batgirl, you might have not followed her around much, but she was an incredibly good character. And she was needlessly ruined. Prometheus, well... Morrison can make any character be awesome, no matter how ridiculous he, she or it is. Prometheus hasn't appeared much, but in Hush Returns for example, he was atrocious, and that arc brought us what was possibly the worst Joker of all time. (A mafia boss who didn't smile, have a rich mansion of his own, spent all the time whining about his wife and what happened to her in The Killing Joke, and didn't care about Batman, just about finding who set the conspiracy to kill her back then, who aparently, Ed Nigma saw. It was [tornado fang]ing stupid, and it's not clear how much of it is canon). Anyway, the least said about him, the better. Green Arrow's pretty much ruined for good, as well as the characterization of everyone in Cry for Justice. And about Max Lord... well, they pretty much made a retcon of the WHOLE 90's period of the Justice League. All of it. Heck, from 1987 to 2004. And people loved him as a manipulative bastard who was essencially a good guy. I just hope the new JLI book can fix him, if just a little bit of it. What I've read of it... I'm hopeful.

Oh of COURSE DC can do stupid retcons.  I'm not arguing that at all.  LoL, even though I really have no problem with my Reality Punchin' Prime action figure, it's still stupid!  Also, as far as I know, Morrison created Prometheus, since I don't remember seeing him before JLA.  Since I don't really follow many of the Bat books, due to the X-Men comic equation of multiple titles + tie-ins = PB poor, I had no idea what became of his character.  Also, I stopped reading Cry for Justice after issue 1 because I saw how out of character they made the characters, and I've learned to keep away from those comics since JLA: Act of God.  Of course, Cry for Justice is actually Canon, so [parasitic bomb].  I'm not fond of what they did to Arsenal, since I was a big fan of him becoming Red Arrow.  Finally, in regards to Max Lord, I will say this; Whereas I'm not the biggest fan of making him a villain, I think he makes a good one.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 05, 2010, 07:14:04 PM
Oh of COURSE DC can do stupid retcons.  I'm not arguing that at all.  LoL, even though I really have no problem with my Reality Punchin' Prime action figure, it's still stupid!  Also, as far as I know, Morrison created Prometheus, since I don't remember seeing him before JLA.  Since I don't really follow many of the Bat books, due to the X-Men comic equation of multiple titles + tie-ins = PB poor, I had no idea what became of his character.  Also, I stopped reading Cry for Justice after issue 1 because I saw how out of character they made the characters, and I've learned to keep away from those comics since JLA: Act of God.  Of course, Cry for Justice is actually Canon, so [parasitic bomb].  I'm not fond of what they did to Arsenal, since I was a big fan of him becoming Red Arrow.  Finally, in regards to Max Lord, I will say this; Whereas I'm not the biggest fan of making him a villain, I think he makes a good one.
Oh of COURSE DC can do stupid retcons.  I'm not arguing that at all.  LoL, even though I really have no problem with my Reality Punchin' Prime action figure, it's still stupid!  Also, as far as I know, Morrison created Prometheus, since I don't remember seeing him before JLA.  Since I don't really follow many of the Bat books, due to the X-Men comic equation of multiple titles + tie-ins = PB poor, I had no idea what became of his character.  Also, I stopped reading Cry for Justice after issue 1 because I saw how out of character they made the characters, and I've learned to keep away from those comics since JLA: Act of God.  Of course, Cry for Justice is actually Canon, so [parasitic bomb].  I'm not fond of what they did to Arsenal, since I was a big fan of him becoming Red Arrow.  Finally, in regards to Max Lord, I will say this; Whereas I'm not the biggest fan of making him a villain, I think he makes a good one.
Prometheus originally appeared in New Teen Titans back in 1986. Morrison re-created him for JLA later on, and then he pretty much never saw a good use again. And yeah, I know it gets hard to follow everything at the same time. It's why the only Marvel thing I've followed for a long time have been the event books. And the awesome tiny bits of Cosmic, of course. And yes... Max Lord DOES make one HELL OF A VILLAIN. Because he has always been a wonderful, magnificent bastard. He's always been very smart, and very manipulative. It was just dumb to make him evil. It's like revealing that Batman has been evil all along. Even though it would have been cool to see him act like that, it doesn't make any sense.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on June 05, 2010, 10:54:03 PM
If they were to make Batman a villain, then DC would do something as stupid as OMD.  I like Max, but I don't think comparing making him a villain to making Bats a villain is a fair comparison, due to Batman's history.  Although, this probably wouldn't be a problem for Frank "Gritty" Miller.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 06, 2010, 02:24:01 AM
If they were to make Batman a villain, then DC would do something as stupid as OMD.  I like Max, but I don't think comparing making him a villain to making Bats a villain is a fair comparison, due to Batman's history.  Although, this probably wouldn't be a problem for Frank "Gritty" Miller.
Batman IS a villain in Frank Miller's stuff. The "EAT GLASS, LAWMAN" pretty much makes him more proud to be reckless than Sin City's Marv.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on June 06, 2010, 07:57:36 AM
Batman IS a villain in Frank Miller's stuff. The "EAT GLASS, LAWMAN" pretty much makes him more proud to be reckless than Sin City's Marv.

Hence why I brought it up!  XD

Man, I watched a review of The Spirit the other week or so.  I'm gonna have to brace myself for when I watch the full horror.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 06, 2010, 01:22:24 PM
Hence why I brought it up!  XD

Man, I watched a review of The Spirit the other week or so.  I'm gonna have to brace myself for when I watch the full horror.
I'm honestly never planning to. From the little of the movie I've seen, Miller picked who is pretty much one of the most upbeat heroes of all time (I imagine him as a Plasticman from another universe) into his dark gritty Sin City-like world.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on June 06, 2010, 07:32:03 PM
I'm honestly never planning to. From the little of the movie I've seen, Miller picked who is pretty much one of the most upbeat heroes of all time (I imagine him as a Plasticman from another universe) into his dark gritty Sin City-like world.

I'm a maso when it comes to movies, so I kinda have too.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 06, 2010, 07:59:39 PM
I'm a maso when it comes to movies, so I kinda have too.
Speaking of movies, Green Lantern logo has been revealed.

(http://www.spinoffonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/green-lantern-logo.jpg)

(http://www.spinoffonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/green-lantern-promo1-e1275741286716.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on June 06, 2010, 08:02:14 PM
I saw when I got home last night.  I highly approve.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 06, 2010, 08:41:31 PM
I do kinda think the "Anyone can be chosen" doesn't fit well with the tone of the story, but I guess they want to show that the Corps choose races all over the universe to be a part of them.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on June 06, 2010, 08:42:36 PM
Well if they're going with the whole "Humans shouldn't be GL's" storyline, then I could see it.  But I'm sure there will be more taglines as more posters are revealed.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 06, 2010, 08:49:22 PM
Well if they're going with the whole "Humans shouldn't be GL's" storyline, then I could see it.  But I'm sure there will be more taglines as more posters are revealed.
Heheheheh, humans shouldn't be GLs. Kinda ironic how that turned out in the comics. =P And yet, every single one of them is essencial, in my opinion.

...well, except for John, who hasn't seen alot of great moments lately outside of JLU and his Xanshi confrontation in Blackest Night. But hopefully, now that Guy's off the GLC book, we'll be able to see more John. And his character can evolve a bit. He's a bit boring now.

Anyway, to steer this topic into the AU again, you think the new announced GL cartoon will be CG, like it was rumored? I kinda think CG cartoons reeeeeeally shouldn't be made. Always up being either stylized in a weird way, or looking like a 1997 Final Fantasy FMV. It all depends on how the story will go, of course, but heck, who can't say they'd like a more detailed Beast Wars or Reboot?
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Pyro on June 10, 2010, 01:22:12 AM
I really REALLY don't think DC is stupid enough to OMD Superman & Lois.  Also, can't argue that it's not the best Supes tale ever told, cause I think it is.  I would love to see DC make an animated movie based on it, like they did DC New Frontier.

I thought this would be worth mentioning. DC nearly did OMD Superman-- about eight years before "One More Day" hit the stands in fact and you wouldn't guess who was responsible for pitching it. Mark Waid, Mark Millar, Tom Peyer, and GRANT [tornado fang]ing MORRISON!

Don't believe me? Take a look at the pitch (http://theages.superman.nu/History/2000/SUPERMAN2000.php) they sent in 1999. Granted, what they proposed was far more respectful to the characters than what Joey Q did... "It's magic, we don't have to explain it!" my left foot.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 10, 2010, 01:48:42 AM
I thought this would be worth mentioning. DC nearly did OMD Superman-- about eight years before "One More Day" hit the stands in fact and you wouldn't guess who was responsible for pitching it. Mark Waid, Mark Millar, Tom Peyer, and GRANT [tornado fang]ing MORRISON!

Don't believe me? Take a look at the pitch (http://theages.superman.nu/History/2000/SUPERMAN2000.php) they sent in 1999. Granted, what they proposed was far more respectful to the characters than what Joey Q did... "It's magic, we don't have to explain it!" my left foot.
I know. I saw it. And honestly? TRULY honestly? I never criticize a story by concept. If people had told m the concepts of every single one of Morrison's stories, I would have thought he was just some crazy guy. Batman having a son, then dying by the light time-phasing beams of a dark god? Bullshit. But he made it work. He made it work seriously well.

During the 90's, Superman went through alot of crappy stories. He was a character in need of an overhaul. And if they had scrapped Supes and started anew, I wouldn't have minded much, as long as they still made him a good hero. Morrison's writing has never dissapointed me, and while he's still sane, I'm sure it won't for a long time. Millar is another case, however. Waid has been both good and bad, mostly really good. If Superman had gone through a reboot, they would have just rebooted him like they did with Hal Jordan and his "new-ish" origin. One More Day was basically JUST about the retcon. It was a book meant to do the retcon, and nothing, nothing else. If it had provided actual context to why that decision had been good, I would have liked it. But this? It's like making Infinite Crisis two pages long, with a big splash page that's just Superboy Prime killing Kal-L. Regrettable decision, but it was done for the sake of the story rather than for the sake of... appealing to Quesada.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Pyro on June 10, 2010, 04:09:20 AM
Well I'm not saying the concept was bad by any stretch. Heck, it's synthesized the elements of the Silver Age that I liked with the Modern Age but that's what DC's doing with Superman now, so better late than never in that respect. Imagine a few of these Morrison-esque elements made it to All-Star Superman.

Then Waid had Birthright, and Millar Red Son. What's actually kind of funny that this proposal was written shortly before Millar hit it big with the Authority, which ultimately lead to his break with DC.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 10, 2010, 04:25:32 AM
Well I'm not saying the concept was bad by any stretch. Heck, it's synthesized the elements of the Silver Age that I liked with the Modern Age but that's what DC's doing with Superman now, so better late than never in that respect. Imagine a few of these Morrison-esque elements made it to All-Star Superman.

Then Waid had Birthright, and Millar Red Son. What's actually kind of funny that this proposal was written shortly before Millar hit it big with the Authority, which ultimately lead to his break with DC.
We shouldn't be sad, then. Those three Supes stories, along with "Up, Up and Away!!" are my favorite Superman stories of all time. They really hit it big.


...also, sorry for spoilers, but DCAU-relevant. Batman #700 makes Beyond comic canon. Terry is officially the fourth Batman, only this time trained by Damian instead of Bruce. Tim still looks like he's the future Joker.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on June 10, 2010, 06:05:01 AM
...also, sorry for spoilers, but DCAU-relevant. Batman #700 makes Beyond comic canon. Terry is officially the fourth Batman, only this time trained by Damian instead of Bruce. Tim still looks like he's the future Joker.

Kinda hard to tell though, mainly just cause Beyond was really just a page or two.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Rin on June 10, 2010, 07:41:52 AM
Hey, this is kinda DCAU related, since it's about a DC cartoon.
Did the special event of Brave & the Bold, the one with Starro conquering earth, aired yet?
Just curious.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 10, 2010, 01:29:52 PM
Hey, this is kinda DCAU related, since it's about a DC cartoon.
Did the special event of Brave & the Bold, the one with Starro conquering earth, aired yet?
Just curious.
Not yet, as far as I know.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Rin on June 10, 2010, 02:47:05 PM
I see, thanks.


Also, to have some sort of discussion...

What version of Batman is your favorite? DCAU version, B&TB version, comic version or any other?
Mine will always be DCAU version. It was after all, the first one I've ever known(tough I'm not sure, if I didn't see the Burton's movie first).
What I like about him, is the fact that he's just different than all his other incarantions, and in my opinion, he is a perfect example of how Batman should be.
He should be a colossal dick, "no fun allowed" kinda guy, overly serious and [tornado fang]ing brutal when needed be.

Also, there's that thing about his sad life, and its future, that makes me pity him.

Well? Which one is your favorite?
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 10, 2010, 04:47:25 PM
I see, thanks.


Also, to have some sort of discussion...

What version of Batman is your favorite? DCAU version, B&TB version, comic version or any other?
Mine will always be DCAU version. It was after all, the first one I've ever known(tough I'm not sure, if I didn't see the Burton's movie first).
What I like about him, is the fact that he's just different than all his other incarantions, and in my opinion, he is a perfect example of how Batman should be.
He should be a colossal dick, "no fun allowed" kinda guy, overly serious and [tornado fang]ing brutal when needed be.

Also, there's that thing about his sad life, and its future, that makes me pity him.

Well? Which one is your favorite?

My favorite? Well, that's a toughie.

Batman is one of the most distinguished entities in comic books of all time. Maybe THE most distinguished. He's been through good and bad stories, stood through the test of time, and will always be remembered as the hero without superpowers when everyone else has them. But as far as Batman goes, there have been quite alot of personalities he has incarnated. It's fitting that this question is made right after #700, which was basically a big tribute to all of the hero's personalities, has come out.


(http://acephalous.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c2df453ef01157027815f970b-320wi)
Batman started out as a detective who dressed like a bat, wasn't ashamed of using a gun, and killed enemies as he pleased, for the sake of whatever. He was a pulp character, designed for pure entertainment. Back when all kinds of people read comics at their absolute leisure. I find it funny when (like this image) there are tributes to this old character, the one whose cowl actually looked like a bat's, instead of a ninja mask with two spikes on top.

(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1401202063.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)
Of course, kids love edgy stuff. But Batman wasn't a very kiddy character. So they decided to make him more kid-friendly. Made him a bit more charming, added a very colorful sidekick, who he called "pal" and "chum", and they both basically behaved like two kids in a treehouse club. Most of all, they were shown in a way they they had FUN.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_6ujqNbm-zj4/SoZbajehnhI/AAAAAAAAAKY/xRK5dMd-zTY/s400/Batman-Year-One.jpg)
The guy who turned Batman into the dark, brooding detective we know nowadays, was none other than Frank Miller. First, with the thought-provoking out of continuity story that gave origin to the new Batman, "The Dark Knight Returns". It's considered by many to be the best Batman story of all time, and it was so successful, that Frank Miller ended up writing the new, after-Crisis continuity origin for Batman, in Batman: Year One. It was a new era for the caped crusader.

(http://www.simonx314.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/batman.jpg)
The animated series did a terriific job with the balance between the comic's realistic violence and the children's programming television has to abide by. Paul Dini helped shape the character into a terrific one, helping the DCAU gain heavy popularity and to be considered by the TV-watchers-non-comic-readers to be the "true canon". It crossed over several times into the actual comic universe, but still retained its individuality. I see it as yet another great incarnation of the character.

...one thing I did love about the Batman in the Animated Series, and hated about the one in the Justice League/JLU, is that while he was a dark knight of justice who frowned at villains, he smiled at children. In JL, as great as the show was, they pretty much made him into the "[dark hold]" of the group. The Raphael. The outside rebel. I still maintain that out of sight, he and Superman had a few beers and traded jokes all the time.

(http://www.superherotimes.com/news/images/BM.Ages.group.BM.jpg)
One thing I love about good Batman writers, be they Miller, Morrison, Loeb or Dini (attention, this is pre-crazy Miller and Loeb) is that they respect every single incarnation of the character, never deeming one or the other "too kiddy" or "too dark". They love BATMAN as a whole. And that's how he should be considered. As a single character with the most varied of incarnations, more varied than James Bond or Doctor Who, Batman represents the hero. He represents, not the underdog, but the guy who makes his own path in life. The self-made man. The man who battles small things like street crime in one day, and battles dark gods for the fate of the multiverse in the next. Because that's what Batman is. He's not simply an individual. He's an entity. A legacy.

Superman is the everyman.
(http://absolutezone.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/all-star-superman.jpg)

Green Lantern is the soldier.
(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/thumb/5/5f/Green_Lantern_Rebirth_1_variant_virgin.jpg/200px-Green_Lantern_Rebirth_1_variant_virgin.jpg)

Wonder Woman is the warrior.
(http://static.tvguide.com/MediaBin/Galleries/Shows/G_L/Jq_Jz/JusticeLeague/crops/justice-wonder-woman7.jpg)

Flash is the family man.
(http://www.cibercomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/flash-family.jpg)

Who is Batman?

He's Batman. Today...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/tomorrow.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/resistanceisimpossible.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/whatdoesthatmakeus.jpg)
Batman is there. Always.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/batmanonemillion.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/nomatterwhen.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/nomatterwhere.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/nomatterhowdark.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/BATMAN.jpg)
He's Batman.

As for your question?

...I like the Batman who can both frown and smile.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Rin on June 10, 2010, 05:09:42 PM
Hmm.
Well, I liked Batman in JL/JLU, since I love it when he's a dick.
Besides, he did hold Ace's hand when she was dying.

Interesting tough, certain e-friend of mine, who is part of a polish Batman fansite, said that in JLU Batman smiles too much.
Heh.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 10, 2010, 05:41:56 PM
There was this comic, where police officers were telling stories about Batman, that happened in the same night.

One of them had him taking out a drug ring and being SCARY AS HELL towards the criminals.

The other, had him search for a couple of missing orphans, who he hugged while shedding a tear when he finally found them, and told them he'd help them find their family, no matter what. And they they'd never need to be apart.

The storytellers call each other a liar because they can't believe one man can have such distinct personalities. The moral of the story, is that he does. Batman simply does everything he can.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on June 10, 2010, 08:48:58 PM
It's why I love Waller's speech about Bruce in Epilogue.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 11, 2010, 12:32:36 AM
It's why I love Waller's speech about Bruce in Epilogue.
Speaking of that, what would that make Terry to Bruce in the new comic canon? If Damian is training him, that is. His grandson?

Although of course we're not even sure if this is fully canon. I mean, the friggin' Mutant gang made an appearance, it's pretty much a celebration of everything that makes Batman good, I think.

The only loose end is the scientist dude, who's now loose in time, with 15 years to spare to make himself a worthy villain. If he makes future appearances, means Damian training Terry is canon.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on June 11, 2010, 04:15:15 AM
But was that Damian training Terry, or did Bruce come back to life.  We technically don't know yet.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 11, 2010, 05:02:45 AM
But was that Damian training Terry, or did Bruce come back to life.  We technically don't know yet.
Since Terrybats comes after Brucebats, Dickbats and Damibats, and Brucebats seems to be dead when Damibats is about, as well as the guy watching Terry seems to be Damian, I'd guess Damibats is the one training him.

Then again, I'd wager the whole story's a big mess for the sake of being a tribute.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on June 11, 2010, 05:12:23 AM
I'm banking on the mess.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 11, 2010, 06:02:44 AM
I'm banking on the mess.
It's one hell of a mess. The Mad Hatter's not the real one, but an impersonator who took his place for awhile and was quickly forgotten, while the Joker's moodswings actually mirror his mood changes in the comic itself. It symbolizes the grimdark period he went through. The whoooooooole thing is symbolical in so many ways. I think the only thing I still haven't figured out, is who or what the couple Dickbats and Robian defend from the Mutant gang represent.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on June 17, 2010, 06:49:54 AM
(http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/06/image.jpg)
(http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/06/image21.jpg)
(http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/06/image3.jpg)
(http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/06/image7.jpg)
(http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/06/image4.jpg)
(http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/06/image51.jpg)
(http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/06/image6.jpg)

Can't wait for this.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 17, 2010, 01:44:23 PM
(http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/06/image.jpg)
(http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/06/image21.jpg)
(http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/06/image3.jpg)
(http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/06/image7.jpg)
(http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/06/image4.jpg)
(http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/06/image51.jpg)
(http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/06/image6.jpg)

Can't wait for this.
Whoa. That looks friggin' AWESOME.

...and he can fly! Take that, Smallville Clark!
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on June 17, 2010, 08:15:49 PM
I can't wait for the suit to awesome give him the lethal force options.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 17, 2010, 08:33:40 PM
I can't wait for the suit to awesome give him the lethal force options.
Him talking to the suit telling it not to kill people will be funny to see. =P
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Saber on June 17, 2010, 08:41:33 PM
(http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/06/image.jpg)
(http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/06/image21.jpg)
(http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/06/image3.jpg)
(http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/06/image7.jpg)
(http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/06/image4.jpg)
(http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/06/image51.jpg)
(http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/06/image6.jpg)

Can't wait for this.

What is this?
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on June 17, 2010, 08:43:06 PM
What is this?

Live action Blue Beetle show based on the newest Blue Beetle in DC.  The comic was [tornado fang]ing awesome, and I was so sad when it was canceled. I'm hoping this show bring the comic back. 
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 17, 2010, 09:56:46 PM
Live action Blue Beetle show based on the newest Blue Beetle in DC.  The comic was [tornado fang]ing awesome, and I was so sad when it was canceled. I'm hoping this show bring the comic back. 
Jaime still has had quite a good fate when it comes to appearances. Booster Gold, JL: Generation Lost...
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on June 17, 2010, 09:59:59 PM
Jaime still has had quite a good fate when it comes to appearances. Booster Gold, JL: Generation Lost...

He's on the Titans too, if I recall.

Man, I wish Geoff would come back to that.  Heh, or Peter David.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 17, 2010, 10:36:50 PM
He's on the Titans too, if I recall.

Man, I wish Geoff would come back to that.  Heh, or Peter David.
I never was too fond of the Titans, honestly... never found an arc I actually liked, and honestly, just don't own any Titans comics. Just read a few loose ones along the years.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on June 17, 2010, 10:38:04 PM
I never was too fond of the Titans, honestly... never found an arc I actually liked, and honestly, just don't own any Titans comics. Just read a few loose ones along the years.

I loved Young Justice, and I liked when Geoff was writing the Teen Titans for a while.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 17, 2010, 10:55:36 PM
I loved Young Justice, and I liked when Geoff was writing the Teen Titans for a while.
I'll have to try and read it. Shouldn't we put these things in the comics topic? =P Nobody's posted there but me for awhile. XD
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Rin on June 18, 2010, 12:28:02 PM
Hmmm.
That looks kind of friggin' awesome.
Never read anything of the Blue Beetle tough.
Heck, I don't even know anything about him.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 18, 2010, 02:09:02 PM
Hmmm.
That looks kind of friggin' awesome.
Never read anything of the Blue Beetle tough.
Heck, I don't even know anything about him.
Suggest that you do. All Blue Beetles have been completely different from each other, and 100% AWESOME.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Pyro on June 19, 2010, 07:56:31 AM
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the upcoming "Young Justice" animated show. Anyone have any thought on it?
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on June 19, 2010, 08:12:17 AM
I'm looking forward to it.  Here's hoping it's good and as funny as the comic.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 19, 2010, 02:16:31 PM
Me too. But if you ask me, I've got waaaaay more expectations on the Green Lantern animated series. I seriously hope they don't make it a CG show.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on June 19, 2010, 09:18:04 PM
just saw Supes Bats Public Enemies.
Id really have to say it really does the bats supes relationship justice. GREAT justice. The Giant Robot made me lol though.(not that it wasnt awesome)
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 19, 2010, 09:59:49 PM
just saw Supes Bats Public Enemies.
Id really have to say it really does the bats supes relationship justice. GREAT justice. The Giant Robot made me lol though.(not that it wasnt awesome)
You should watch some of the other DCAU movies. That one's just a (slightly better) version of the first arc of Superman/Batman by Jeph Loeb (the last slightly-good thing he did before he went insane). You should try and watch movies like Wonder Woman, Green Lantern: First Flight or Justice League: The New Frontier. They're all really awesome.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Pyro on June 19, 2010, 10:15:03 PM
What about Crisis on Two Earths? Talking Firestorm FTW!
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 19, 2010, 10:30:29 PM
What about Crisis on Two Earths? Talking Firestorm FTW!
Crisis on Two Earths was good. A solid movie. It just... well, it just doesn't hold a candle to the original concept and execution of the comic. =P It's DIFFERENT, just that.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on June 28, 2010, 07:28:54 AM
Me too. But if you ask me, I've got waaaaay more expectations on the Green Lantern animated series. I seriously hope they don't make it a CG show.

I'm still waiting on the GL show, but obviously I'm looking forward to it.  I just want more details on it first before the hype level gets higher.

Posted on: June 19, 2010, 06:21:18 PM
(http://supermanhomepage.com/images/apocalypse/apocalypse-DVD.jpg)

I like the cover art.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 28, 2010, 01:02:40 PM
I'm still waiting on the GL show, but obviously I'm looking forward to it.  I just want more details on it first before the hype level gets higher.

Posted on: June 19, 2010, 06:21:18 PM
(http://supermanhomepage.com/images/apocalypse/apocalypse-DVD.jpg)

I like the cover art.
With aaaaaaaaall the good arcs they could do, why Supergirl? Only reason I bought that TPB was because of Michael Turner art. I'd love to see a Flash, or Aquaman animated movie.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on June 28, 2010, 01:17:13 PM
Well I did like the Supergirl arc in Bats/Supes.  Actually, his arcs tending to go downhill from there a bit for that particular comic.

I agree though that they need to branch out with more characters.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 28, 2010, 01:23:28 PM
Well I did like the Supergirl arc in Bats/Supes.  Actually, his arcs tending to go downhill from there a bit for that particular comic.

I agree though that they need to branch out with more characters.
You know what would be commercially good for them right now? Blue Beetle movie.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on June 28, 2010, 01:25:54 PM
You know what would be commercially good for them right now? Blue Beetle movie.

Considering that they could get new fans to watch the upcoming live action show, I agree.

I'm with you though in a desire to see an animated Flash movie.  Super-speed is still the best power there is.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 28, 2010, 01:30:10 PM
Considering that they could get new fans to watch the upcoming live action show, I agree.

I'm with you though in a desire to see an animated Flash movie.  Super-speed is still the best power there is.
To be brutally honest, my nickname's for laughs. Flash isn't exactly my favorite hero, but I think he has a TON of potencial. And heck, like I said, he actually got good in the 90's. How many characters not only SURVIVED the 90's lameness, but GOT GOOD as well? He's got an incredible potencial to be a great hero, as JL and Next Frontier showed in their superspeed scenes. Just get Geoff Johns or Mark Waid writing it, and it'll be awesome.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on June 28, 2010, 01:31:41 PM
GL is my favorite DC hero, but Super-speed has always been my favorite super power of them all.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 28, 2010, 02:08:35 PM
GL is my favorite DC hero, but Super-speed has always been my favorite super power of them all.
GL has been VERY good recently, ever since Rebirth. (and Kyle's always had good stories in the JLA) But a few of the stories in-between grand events started off not as good as the big epic ones. Everything leading up to Blackest Night was class, though, and Brightest Day seems quite good so far. I just hope they start developing more of the characters we have so far before introducing any new ones. Setting up how the new regular canon will be, I mean.

Superspeed allows authors to do pretty much ANYTHING. Wally's gonna die? Outrun death by running into the future so fast that the concept of death no longer has meaning. Barry's in space, far above the Earth? Make him vibrate in time, bringing the Earth to him through regular rotation. Superspeed's one of those powers where the heroes have to get creative with its use. That's what makes Flash books good.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on June 28, 2010, 02:14:37 PM
It would be nice if they did a whole 3 part DC animated movie involving Rebirth, Sinestro Corps War, and Blackest Night.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 28, 2010, 02:36:45 PM
It would be nice if they did a whole 3 part DC animated movie involving Rebirth, Sinestro Corps War, and Blackest Night.
Wouldn't really be worth it, because the amount of stuff they'd have to cut would be just too much. I mean, who's the Anti-Monitor? Superboy-Prime? Parallax? Stuff like that is well explainable in comics, but in a visual medium like movies, it would need something like an actual series. Not just that, but considering it consists of huge DC crossovers would have to get tons upon tons of story along the way. I'd love it, myself, but it would be just too hard to make good. Look at how Superman/Doomsday turned out, and that didn't need alot of story. They pretty much cut everything.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on June 28, 2010, 02:41:20 PM
Yeah I know. It'd just be something I'd like to see animated.  XD

I'd love to see the JLA story Tower of Babel animated as well.  Or Morrison's JLA New World Order story arc as well.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 28, 2010, 03:42:43 PM
Yeah I know. It'd just be something I'd like to see animated.  XD

I'd love to see the JLA story Tower of Babel animated as well.  Or Morrison's JLA New World Order story arc as well.
That'd be awesome. A TRUE Darkseid story would be an incredible thing to see. I'd really, reeeeeeeally love to see a Final Crisis movie, but it'd require complete faithfulness to the original plot. And considering the original plot is (although a full story in itself without need for alot of tie-ins) confusing for most people who don't feel like re-reading stuff and solving the small riddles along the way, it would be awesome as a full epic movie with tons of twists and turns.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on June 28, 2010, 04:08:10 PM
Morrison's Rock of Ages JLA story arc would make a fantastic DCA Movie as well.

Man, I miss Morrison writing JLA..
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 28, 2010, 05:13:44 PM
Morrison's Rock of Ages JLA story arc would make a fantastic DCA Movie as well.

Man, I miss Morrison writing JLA..
He'll eventually go back to something similar. Final Crisis was a bit of a comeback.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on June 28, 2010, 06:00:21 PM
Indeed it was.  I still wanna see Rock of Ages animated though, just for the Circe-Plastic Man scene alone!  XD
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 12, 2010, 11:42:07 PM
UNDER THE RED HOOD IS OUT!

Await impressions soon.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Rin on July 13, 2010, 01:09:32 AM
UNDER THE RED HOOD IS OUT!

Await impressions soon.
WAT WAT

OH GLORIOUS DAY!
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Phi on July 13, 2010, 01:57:44 AM
(the best video quality so far)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOgicHL1j9M[/youtube]
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 13, 2010, 03:09:31 AM
FANTASTIC movie. Bruce Greenwood is my favorite new Batman. And yes, that does mean I'm a bit tired of Conroy, and hearing Greenwood in the role brings me great joy, seeing as how he nails it instantly. And although DiMaggio isn't my favorite Joker, he certainly does a good job, and he nails the dialogue in a great way. The movie pretty much follows the comic plot, only with a few changes, which I actually think are for the best. More Joker involvement, more flashbacks to explain the whole story, yadda yadda yadda.

In a nutshell, awesome movie. Tell me if you want it, I'll PM you a 176 MB direct download link with fairly decent quality.

(If I'm breaking the rules for making this available by PM, please do tell)

(and DAMMIT, I really want Greenwood to start voicing Batman in these movies. Conroy is awesome, yeah, but since Hamill is leaving, I wouldn't mind getting a whole new cast)
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on July 13, 2010, 03:26:32 AM
Do want please?

Also, Apocalypse looks great.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Rin on July 13, 2010, 03:42:52 AM
Flash, I agree with you.
It was fantastic. I've just done watching it, and I can't wait for it to be released in mah POLOND(it probably will, since there's a company that releases a lot of [parasitic bomb] with Batman and other DC animated movies).
Instant buy.

It's dark, it's brutal, it's BATMAN!

Goddamn... I still remember when I was little, and I went to library and I found a comic book with Batman... guess which one? The one where there's Batman on the cover holding dead Robin. I had a more childish reaction of the type "HOLY [parasitic bomb] WHAT THE [tornado fang]"

Altough I've never been a close follower of the comic.

I'm so gonna force my certain friend to watch this with me. : D

As for Apocalypse. Well, GRANNY GOODNESS is in this, then it must be good. : DDDDD
I hope this one is not going to suck like the last Batman/Superman movie.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Phi on July 13, 2010, 03:49:31 AM
In a nutshell, awesome movie. Tell me if you want it, I'll PM you a 176 MB direct download link with fairly decent quality.

The movie sounds incredible. PM please~
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 13, 2010, 04:04:14 AM
Flash, I agree with you.
It was fantastic. I've just done watching it, and I can't wait for it to be released in mah POLOND(it probably will, since there's a company that releases a lot of [parasitic bomb] with Batman and other DC animated movies).
Instant buy.

It's dark, it's brutal, it's BATMAN!

Goddamn... I still remember when I was little, and I went to library and I found a comic book with Batman... guess which one? The one where there's Batman on the cover holding dead Robin. I had a more childish reaction of the type "HOLY [parasitic bomb] WHAT THE [tornado fang]"

Altough I've never been a close follower of the comic.

I'm so gonna force my certain friend to watch this with me. : D

As for Apocalypse. Well, GRANNY GOODNESS is in this, then it must be good. : DDDDD
I hope this one is not going to suck like the last Batman/Superman movie.
It's a straight adaptation of Superman/Batman: Supergirl, so yeah, it's gonna suck if they follow all of the book. It's pretty much the continuing arc from Superman/Batman: Public Enemies. Only the Public Enemies movie FIXED tons of [parasitic bomb] the comic book had. To give you an idea, the PE comic book had Superman put a piece of Kryptonite inside a shotgun and fire it at some dude. And Lex just told the population Supes had gone crazy, instead of giving the reasons and showing the Metallo fight. It was awful. The movie was actually a decent improvement. It was pretty much when Jeph Loeb went mad and ran away to Marvel.

Supergirl is a little bit better. At least it's more epic. But the whole storyline's still kinda crap. Still, we'll wait for something good to come out of it.

(and it's not Flash anymore. =P Changed nickname)

And I'll get right into PMing movie links for you people.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Rin on July 13, 2010, 01:44:04 PM
Hm. If you say so, Flash SUPERBAT. : P
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 13, 2010, 01:59:25 PM
Hm. If you say so, Flash SUPERBAT. : P
Most Excellent SuperBat.

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Most_Excellent_Super_Bat_%28New_Earth%29

See? I even got my own entry. 8D
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Rin on July 13, 2010, 02:54:25 PM
Most Excellent SuperBat.

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Most_Excellent_Super_Bat_%28New_Earth%29

See? I even got my own entry. 8D
I know, Most Excellent SuperBat.
: >
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Luke on July 13, 2010, 07:10:59 PM
May I also ask for a Link, please?

BTW. Under The Red Hood is not out yet, right?
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on July 13, 2010, 07:20:28 PM
Whoa, that was pretty awesome. (UTRH I mean)
Yep, Bats and Joker were pretty good. Although I liked Dimaggio better than Greenwood. He did a good bats, but at some times he sounds like more of a superman than a batman.

I was also quite surprised to see Jensen Ackles doing Jason/Red Hood.
He also nailed the part pretty well. But then again, Ackles has a very emotive voice.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Saber on July 14, 2010, 01:37:04 AM
Wait, what? That movie is out already? But it's still two weeks until official street day.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on July 14, 2010, 04:52:46 AM
official street day.
Key word, Official street date.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Saber on July 14, 2010, 11:45:06 AM
Key word, Official street date.


Yeah, but sometimes it really bugs me that there's stuff on the internet so long before it's actually supposed to be released.

Other than that, [tornado fang]ing awesome movie. I'm so gonna buy that one when it comes out here in late August.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 14, 2010, 05:11:22 PM
Something I loved. DiMaggio didn't try to be Hamill. He did his own thing.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Phi on July 14, 2010, 06:23:24 PM
Something I loved. DiMaggio didn't try to be Hamill. He did his own thing.

For some reason, i felt his voice as the Joker had much more realism than Hamill's. It had a somewhat darker and malevolent tone. The way he perceived the character made him feel more threatening.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on July 14, 2010, 06:59:06 PM
its true. And he does a great laugh as well.

It sounds more threatening I think because his voice is deeper and and not as "smooth" as Hamil's joker. (for lack of a better way to describe it)
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Saber on July 15, 2010, 06:37:35 PM
It sounds more threatening I think because his voice is deeper and and not as "smooth" as Hamil's joker. (for lack of a better way to describe it)

He does great in his own right, though I can't find the exact words to describe his performance in comparison to Hamill's. Still I think that Hamill did the best performance of the Joker character to this day (Arkham Asylum anyone?). Then again, not everything that originated from Batman: The Animated Series was good. The series had more than just a handful of subpar if not downright terrible episodes.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 15, 2010, 09:23:26 PM
He does great in his own right, though I can't find the exact words to describe his performance in comparison to Hamill's. Still I think that Hamill did the best performance of the Joker character to this day (Arkham Asylum anyone?). Then again, not everything that originated from Batman: The Animated Series was good. The series had more than just a handful of subpar if not downright terrible episodes.
Hamill is and always will be THE Joker. His voice pretty much hit every single base. It was very flexible for a ton of moods, while all the other voices we've heard so far have a few moods only. But DiMaggio is a good enough voice.

...I still maintain that Bruce Greenwood is still the best damn voice in this movie. (and the best Batman voice yet, pretty much on Conroy's level)
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on July 15, 2010, 10:27:01 PM
"The Joker's laugh should be like a musical instrument"

And THAT boys and girls, is why Mark Hamil owns the role.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Saber on July 16, 2010, 04:46:56 PM
You know what's bothering me about the movie now that I've watched it again? How easily Jason was able to rip off Bruce's mask. I mean, that thing is supposed to have various anti-removal gadgets built into it like gas and electroshockers and stuff, yet Jason does it like it's nothing. Also, why's that mask separate from the cape when we see it hanging from the cape several times in the movie?
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on July 16, 2010, 05:54:07 PM
mmm... Velcro attached maybe..?
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Saber on July 16, 2010, 05:55:27 PM
mmm... Velcro attached maybe..?

Well, it was inconsistent in Batman: TAS as well. Sometimes it was attached to the cape, sometimes it was separate.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 17, 2010, 03:13:36 AM
You know what's bothering me about the movie now that I've watched it again? How easily Jason was able to rip off Bruce's mask. I mean, that thing is supposed to have various anti-removal gadgets built into it like gas and electroshockers and stuff, yet Jason does it like it's nothing. Also, why's that mask separate from the cape when we see it hanging from the cape several times in the movie?
Jason knew about Bruce's mask's protections. He fought Bruce alot before he finally pulled it off. He must've broken those protections somehow, since he pretty much planned the entire thing by itself. A detail like that shouldn't escape him.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: RetroRespecter on August 09, 2010, 09:59:49 PM
That would be obvious. Batman trained Jason Todd when he found the boy trying to steal the Batmobile's tires.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 09, 2010, 11:36:19 PM
That would be obvious. Batman trained Jason Todd when he found the boy trying to steal the Batmobile's tires.
What does that have to do with anything?
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Turian on August 10, 2010, 07:35:50 AM
So, I don't get what happened to Jason at the end? Was it cut because of the early internet leak? Or is it supposed to leave you hanging?
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 10, 2010, 11:16:27 AM
So, I don't get what happened to Jason at the end? Was it cut because of the early internet leak? Or is it supposed to leave you hanging?
It's a direct adaptation of the comic plot. He lives to come back another day.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Turian on August 24, 2010, 10:37:04 PM
Yeah, and he's even crazier, right? I saw him in Batman and Robin. He is wearing the old style red hood costume. I liked the biker look better. And his sidekick was crazy, but I'm glad that mask fell off of her face in the end.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 24, 2010, 11:24:57 PM
Yeah. We just don't know what truly happened to Scarlet at the end, but at least it's implied that she was finally free.

...funny how much crap you can escape just by getting out of Gotham.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 24, 2010, 11:30:40 PM
It amazes me that people live there! XD
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 24, 2010, 11:33:42 PM
They all have a secret fetish for gritty mobster crime roleplay. It's what keeps them all there, and why Joker always has an act.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 24, 2010, 11:40:23 PM
You know what I'd love to see? An animated movie based on Batwoman: Elegy.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 24, 2010, 11:44:28 PM
You know what I'd love to see? An animated movie based on Batwoman: Elegy.
If they got the art style right, hell yeah. Only it'd be very tough. And there are tons of other characters which DC would deem more popular.

...and less lesbian. Cartoon with superhero lesbian? Would love it, but the controversy would be unbearable.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 24, 2010, 11:45:57 PM
If they got the art style right, hell yeah. Only it'd be very tough. And there are tons of other characters which DC would deem more popular.

...and less lesbian. Cartoon with superhero lesbian? Would love it, but the controversy would be unbearable.

Oh, I know it's pretty much unlikely, which is such a shame because her character & her origin are incredibly well done.

I'd love to see more Flash stories as well.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 24, 2010, 11:49:42 PM
Oh, I know it's pretty much unlikely, which is such a shame because her character & her origin are incredibly well done.

I'd love to see more Flash stories as well.
I seriously don't get it why we don't have a Flash movie already.

...the closest thing we got to it was the Flash episode of Brave and the Bold.... AND THAT WAS CLOSE TO GODLY.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 24, 2010, 11:53:33 PM
I love how they did Kid Flash on Teen Titans.

But yeah, we need a Flash movie already. I mean, outside of maybe Batman, he has the best Rogues Gallery of any hero.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 25, 2010, 12:11:50 AM
I love how they did Kid Flash on Teen Titans.

But yeah, we need a Flash movie already. I mean, outside of maybe Batman, he has the best Rogues Gallery of any hero.
His Rogues do work better when they're working together than when they're written apart, though. (although Mirror Master and Cold can be pretty darn vicious by themselves).
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 25, 2010, 12:16:08 AM
His Rogues do work better when they're working together than when they're written apart, though. (although Mirror Master and Cold can be pretty darn vicious by themselves).

Well they pretty much always work together now, but back in the day they all had some classic stories in which they worked well alone.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 25, 2010, 12:23:50 AM
Well they pretty much always work together now, but back in the day they all had some classic stories in which they worked well alone.
I do remember. I spent about a whole week going through the entire Flash archive, or what I could find of it. I can't wait to see what Johns does with Barry. He didn't have ALOT of personality before, but was always a good character.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 25, 2010, 12:30:21 AM
I do remember. I spent about a whole week going through the entire Flash archive, or what I could find of it. I can't wait to see what Johns does with Barry. He didn't have ALOT of personality before, but was always a good character.

Exactly. What I'm also curious about is what he does with the new Impulse.  8D
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 25, 2010, 01:08:05 AM
Exactly. What I'm also curious about is what he does with the new Impulse.  8D
New Impulse is fine, as well as all of the new characters. But I love Wally where he is now. He's currently got what no other hero has. A temporary happy ending and some downtime. Johns wrote pretty much all there was to write of him, dude's gotta have Barry for a big while now before moving onto anything else.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 25, 2010, 01:13:41 AM
New Impulse is fine, as well as all of the new characters. But I love Wally where he is now. He's currently got what no other hero has. A temporary happy ending and some downtime. Johns wrote pretty much all there was to write of him, dude's gotta have Barry for a big while now before moving onto anything else.

Oh I absolutely agree. Wally's done his part, and it's definitely time for Barry to shine again.

But I'm just curious as to what's gonna happen with the twins, now that Irei's the only one with the power now.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 25, 2010, 01:40:07 AM
Oh I absolutely agree. Wally's done his part, and it's definitely time for Barry to shine again.

But I'm just curious as to what's gonna happen with the twins, now that Irei's the only one with the power now.
Easy. Irey is going to shine as the new Impulse, Jai is going to get darker and darker, Zoom's words from Rebirth will echo as Wally expects Jai to betray him, and then some crap happens and Irey goes evil for awhile, thus making that stuff true.

WHAT A TWEEST.

Seriously, it's the only way to make it work.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 25, 2010, 01:46:02 AM
Hey, you never know with Johns. Sometimes it can be something different.

PERHAPS JAI WILL BECOME THE NEW TURTLE!   8D
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 25, 2010, 01:52:36 AM
Hey, you never know with Johns. Sometimes it can be something different.

PERHAPS JAI WILL BECOME THE NEW TURTLE!   8D
I recall Turtle's uses were hilarious. But for now, I'm really hoping Iris becomes (just for a single issue) the Mirror Mistress.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 25, 2010, 01:54:14 AM
Yeaaaah, I want to see that as well, just for the costume itself!  8D
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 25, 2010, 02:13:50 AM
I hope they make it tasteful. Less Carol, more Miri.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 25, 2010, 02:14:42 AM
I hope she has a mirror bra!   8D

Nah, if it's anything like the Mirror Master's outfit, it shouldn't be that skimpy.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 25, 2010, 02:40:28 AM
You never know. That Star Sapphire outfit redesign they got for Carol is so atrocious, I think I'm still in the 90's when I see it.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 25, 2010, 06:00:25 AM
Hey, you're preaching to the wrong guy! I really like her outfit!  8D
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Pyro on August 25, 2010, 06:43:36 AM
Hey, you're preaching to the wrong guy! I really like her outfit!  8D

Why am I not surprised? I think her costume alone could pull in a few Playboy subscribers.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 25, 2010, 10:27:56 AM
And yet it's gonna take me years to get the "[classy lady]" image away from her and I still can't take this "love" relationship they're playing between her and Jordan seriously.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Gotham Ranger on August 29, 2010, 02:55:16 PM
I hope she has a mirror bra!   8D
..I suddenly wanna start following Flash.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 29, 2010, 03:18:52 PM
..I suddenly wanna start following Flash.
(http://speedforce.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/flash-rebirth-1.jpg)

DAT STARTING POINT
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Gotham Ranger on August 29, 2010, 03:39:48 PM
Well [parasitic bomb], there we go. It's so much easier when there's a giant REBIRTH on it :P
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 14, 2010, 02:08:41 AM
Superman/Batman: Apocalypse has been leaked.

I'm halfway through and it's just like Public Enemies. Loeb story, improved by Timm in any way imaginable, but still unsalvageable.

Turner's art done in blocky shape sucks, leaving Bats and Supes with Ken Doll faces and weird lips.

Other than that, it's pretty cool. Barda's now delicious brown big woman who somehow grows smaller when she puts on her armor.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on December 06, 2010, 11:55:27 PM
I finally got around to watching it. (late- very late- I know)

It was nice. The faces like you said... are very weird. you dont just "get used to it" they are genuinely odd. At least Batman's face is mostly concealed so Superman is the only REAL problem.

Story was nice. I liked the take on Supergirl's origins. Kinda more realistic. Spaceship crashed, and shes basically a fish out of water. With strange abilities she cant control, on a planet she cant communicate with. On Batman's watch, no less.

that final fight at the end, with Darkseid at the Kent Farm actually felt ver... dunno... drawn out. It was certainly well done and fun to watch, but it still felt off somehow.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 28, 2011, 02:02:45 PM
THREAD REVIVAL FOR SUPERDICKERY EPISODE IN BRAVE AND THE BOLD! =D
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Phi on April 23, 2011, 06:17:29 PM
MY LIFE IS NOW COMPLETE (http://www.movies.ie/movie%20news/BATMAN_YEAR_ONE_First_Look_Images_and_Voice_Cast_Revealed)

(http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j379/moviesireland/batman1.jpg)

I really, REALLY hope they do the comic justice.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Obdulio on September 18, 2011, 02:30:17 AM
Anyone here seen Young Justice on cartoon network yet?

If so what are your thoughts on the series so far?

I've been enjoying the hell out of this show and new episodes finally started up again ^ ^
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 18, 2011, 02:49:35 AM
New episodes have started again? When?
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Phi on September 18, 2011, 02:51:17 AM
Anyone here seen Young Justice on cartoon network yet?

If so what are your thoughts on the series so far?

I've been enjoying the hell out of this show and new episodes finally started up again ^ ^

Likewise. Actually, I'm surprised that I haven't heard anyone talk about it here. Last episode I saw was where Miss Martian and Superboy were trying to fit in for school. They've taken a really long break between airings though, like 2 or 3 months from episode 6 to 7. While I certainly enjoy watching it, I have to say Thundercats in shaping up to be the better action show.

The problem with Young Justice is that the action sequences don't feel nearly as grand as what I'm used to in the Justice League series. I understand that they're still in their early stages and the show is only about 10 episodes in, but only a handful of episodes were really cool and exciting to watch. The rest of the episodes felt average, with nothing that significant happening. And I really wish they would show more of Robin in action, instead of most the episodes just focusing on Superboy.

I might sound a little too negative on this show, but don't get me wrong, It is incredibly refreshing to what the media has been shoving out today. And both Young Justice and Thundercats are two huge steps forward in the right direction for the shitfest that is now Cartoon Network.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Obdulio on September 18, 2011, 03:06:02 AM
Thoses 2 shows are the only reason Cartoon Network even has my attention, the first season of Young Justice is a planned 26 episodes, with the second season being 12.

As for no big battles , remember the Young Justice group is suppose to be like the League's Black Ops ... Stealthly missions.   Im sure as the series goes along there will be bigger battles.  I remember reading that Joker and even Darksied will appear in the show.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Solar on September 18, 2011, 03:42:04 AM
Anyone here seen Young Justice on cartoon network yet?

If so what are your thoughts on the series so far?

I've been enjoying the hell out of this show and new episodes finally started up again ^ ^

AFAIK they don't even air it here yet and has been a direct to DVD thing so far, so I haven't had the chance to watch it=/
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Obdulio on September 25, 2011, 10:30:38 PM
Solar
AFAIK they don't even air it here yet and has been a direct to DVD thing so far, so I haven't had the chance to watch it=/


You can watch the episodes here , they got all of them so far 1 to 11   [ just make sure to edit the aspect ratio in the player settings so it has it at 4:3 instend of 16:9 ]

[[link removed]]

if this link is against the rules i'll take it down.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 25, 2011, 11:22:47 PM
It's a legal link, don't worry.

Too bad it's region-locked.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Satoryu on September 26, 2011, 01:34:25 AM
Mmm, not exactly. Sites like that dance around the line of legality. I know a few have been taken down in the past by copyright holders. To be safe, I'll remove the link.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 26, 2011, 03:36:28 AM
http://uk.ign.com/videos/2011/09/21/batman-year-one-clip?objectid=77195

Year One clip.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: The Drunken Dishwasher on September 26, 2011, 01:06:02 PM
October 11 eh?

so making my brother download that~
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Pyro on October 03, 2011, 03:40:48 AM
I'm just curious of what the consensus is on "Young Justice" since it started back up. Everything from characterization to continuity is always tight whenever Greg Weisman is involved. Personally, I like the cameos (like Bette Kane and Barbera Gordon in "Home Front") they manage to sneak into most episodes... and Aquaman has a beard in this one too. Take note DC.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 04, 2011, 08:16:31 PM
I'm just curious of what the consensus is on "Young Justice" since it started back up. Everything from characterization to continuity is always tight whenever Greg Weisman is involved. Personally, I like the cameos (like Bette Kane and Barbera Gordon in "Home Front") they manage to sneak into most episodes... and Aquaman has a beard in this one too. Take note DC.
Love it. They might be trying to bring Teen Titans in the comics close to this one. I also love the characterization.

Posted on: October 03, 2011, 03:19:01 AM
Quote
New details on upcoming DC Comics-related animation programming, including details on the next animated Batman series Beware the Batman, have been revealed.

Sam Register confirmed the title of the next animated Batman series, due in 2013. Register, executive vice president for creative affairs at Warner Bros. Animation, closed the MIP Junior conference in Cannes, France on Sunday, October 2nd, 2011, with a keynote address on upcoming Warner Bros. Animation plans. MIP Junior is an intensive two-day conference agenda of debates, interactive workshops, pitching and matchmaking sessions that update executives and consumers on the latest developments in kids’ entertainment. With a new Batman theatrical feature slated for next year, Register says it was synergy to bring about a new Batman animated series.

The next Batman animated series, debuting in 2013, is titled Beware the Batman. According to Register, the CGI animated series will spotlight a classic-looking Batman teaming up with a gun-toting Alfred Pennyworth and a female ninja sidekick. Beware the Batman is executive-produced by Glen Murakami, and will explore the mythology’s more obscure villains, such as Professor Pyg, but also won't shy away from featuring some of the more well-known Batman foes. In the series, Batman will team up with a younger female sidekick named Katana. During the keynote, Register added that Katana will fill the sidekick role, but won't be a replacement for Robin.

Register also revealed new details about the forthcoming DC Nation block during his keynote address. Highlights include Aardman Animation creating new claymation Batman shorts, Plastic Man animated shorts, and the creator behind My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic working on a series of animated shorts teaming Wonder Girl, Batgirl, Supergirl called Super Best Friends Forever. Additionally, there is also a series of Doom Patrol animated shorts in production. The block will also host a series of behind-the-scenes videos, special interviews, and much more. DC Nation, slated to run for at least three years on Cartoon Network, will debut in Spring 2012 with Young Justice and Green Lantern: The Animated Series.
http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/news.php?action=fullnews&id=1139

...DOOOOOOOOM PATROOOOOOOOOOL =D

CLAYMATION PLASTIC MAAAAAAAAAN =D

LAUREN FAUST, CREATOR OF MLP: FRIENDSHIP IS MAGIC MAKING DC SUPERHERO GIRLS CARTOOOOOOOOON =D

I am happy.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Phi on October 04, 2011, 09:16:09 PM
Love it. They might be trying to bring Teen Titans in the comics close to this one. I also love the characterization.

Posted on: October 03, 2011, 03:19:01 AM
http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/news.php?action=fullnews&id=1139

...DOOOOOOOOM PATROOOOOOOOOOL =D

CLAYMATION PLASTIC MAAAAAAAAAN =D

LAUREN FAUST, CREATOR OF MLP: FRIENDSHIP IS MAGIC MAKING DC SUPERHERO GIRLS CARTOOOOOOOOON =D

I am happy.

So this will be like Brave and the Bold? Cheesy and Kid-Friendly? (though it has gotten more mature with it's content as it went on)

Personally, I'm much more interested in that Green Lantern Animated Series.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: RetroRespecter on October 05, 2011, 03:33:40 AM
What are they aiming for with the new Batman?
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on October 05, 2011, 04:30:31 AM
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Batman teaming up with a gun-toting Alfred Pennyworth

Um, no.

(and thats ignoring the ninja sidekick)

All seems to lean toward another campy series. Or one that goes with the "batman doesnt care about guns" from the really older comics.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 05, 2011, 04:45:59 AM
Um, no.

(and thats ignoring the ninja sidekick)

All seems to lean toward another campy series. Or one that goes with the "batman doesnt care about guns" from the really older comics.
(http://tvmedia.ign.com/tv/image/article/988/988697/batman-the-brave-and-the-bold-batfans_1243885855.jpg)

No? What's the matter? Not "your Batman"? 8D
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on October 05, 2011, 04:58:56 AM
Oh God Bat baby.

Not quite feelin' up to another light or campy series.

We had The Batman which was Batman "light", (and got lighter in the later seasons) and B:TBaTB its time to make another just regular Batman take. Yknow, serious.

Although TBH, Theres so MUCH Batman. what about a Superman series? I understand everyone loves Batman, but some other Heroes (even the main ones) could use shows too.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Turian on October 05, 2011, 05:41:04 AM
I want a Flash series. Voiced by Michael Rosenbaum. Make it happen Mr.Timm.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 05, 2011, 05:59:34 AM
I'm not the hugest fan of CGI animation, but we shall see with the new Batman series.

Everything else has me a lot more excited though.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on October 05, 2011, 06:44:38 AM
I want a Flash series. Voiced by Michael Rosenbaum. Make it happen Mr.Timm.
Word. I love Flash.

I FINALLY got around to seeing Emerald Knights. I absolutely loved it. I liked how it was basically a collection of backstories for different Lanterns.

Jason Isaacs as Sinestro was absolutely glorious.

Mogo as usual, always knows how to be awesome.  I still always wonder how big his battery must be. Although given his size, im gonna guess he IS his own power battery. His planet exterior is the shell, and his core is well, a green energy core.

Arisa was also uber adorable. I liked the backstory behind the guy who trained Kilowog.

There were references and nods to known characters up the wazoo, I spotted a dozen Lanterns I recognized, and even Atrocitus payed a visit. Along with his prophecies. Even Blackest Night was referenced, ("So I guess this is the Blackest Night everyone talks about") Which makes me think how awesome an animated Blackest Night would be.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 05, 2011, 11:54:14 AM
I still always wonder how big his battery must be. Although given his size, im gonna guess he IS his own power battery. His planet exterior is the shell, and his core is well, a green energy core.
It's shown in Brave and the Bold. He's also the main ring distributor, so he has more power than a typical GL.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on October 05, 2011, 12:58:40 PM
Anyone that size is gonna have more juice than the standard GL.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 05, 2011, 08:36:49 PM
Size never matters when it comes to a GL. Only Willpower. Mogo's partner was Bzzd, an alien insect the size of a fly. He defeated the alien despot Mongul singlehandedly. Mongul, a guy who bested Superman and the entire Justice League in battle once.

Mogo's just crazy powerful because his planetary omniscience turns him into sort of a Gaia conscience, giving him amazing willpower. He mostly doesn't even USE his ring for anything, just the powers he already has.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: ST Jestah on October 05, 2011, 08:41:21 PM
New Batman looks weird. Though I am interested in the whole, seeing some obscure villains thing. Though still, not sure if want it.

Rest of the line-up seems good.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Phi on October 05, 2011, 09:25:00 PM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLx0h-M-3jc[/youtube]

Oh, and this
[spoiler](http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/Beware-the-Batman-Cartoon-Network.jpg)[/spoiler]

I dunno, man...
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 05, 2011, 09:39:36 PM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLx0h-M-3jc[/youtube]

Oh, and this
[spoiler](http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/Beware-the-Batman-Cartoon-Network.jpg)[/spoiler]

I dunno, man...
I like it, but the artstyle for the world around him is awful. Very, veeeeeery simplistic, it's like they're in a cubist world.

Still, the characters look like less-detailed versions of The Incredibles, and they animate pretty well...

Also, the guardians banging on the window was HILARIOUS, given what stuck-up assholes who never move from their seats they are in the comic.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on October 05, 2011, 10:17:37 PM
Yeah I lol'd at the Guardians knocking on the window.

yeah it looks good, but there is something which feels missing. probably like you said, the environments.

Im quite surprised to see Red lanterns other than Atrocitus with any semblance of coherence, much less "questioning" the killing of anyone.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 05, 2011, 10:45:27 PM
Yeah I lol'd at the Guardians knocking on the window.

yeah it looks good, but there is something which feels missing. probably like you said, the environments.

Im quite surprised to see Red lanterns other than Atrocitus with any semblance of coherence, much less "questioning" the killing of anyone.
Quite honestly, I prefer the portrayal of them as vengeance-led terrorists than as beasts whose only objective is to wreak [parasitic bomb], and who can't open their mouths without spewing blood all over the place.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on October 05, 2011, 11:19:05 PM
But the plasma breath is the best part! D:
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 05, 2011, 11:46:28 PM
They still have it. Only WORDS also come out of their mouths. That's a win-win in my opinion.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Saber on October 12, 2011, 10:03:24 PM
Quote
The next Batman animated series, debuting in 2013, is titled Beware the Batman. According to Register, the CGI animated series will spotlight a classic-looking Batman teaming up with a gun-toting Alfred Pennyworth and a female ninja sidekick. Beware the Batman is executive-produced by Glen Murakami, and will explore the mythology’s more obscure villains, such as Professor Pyg, but also won't shy away from featuring some of the more well-known Batman foes. In the series, Batman will team up with a younger female sidekick named Katana. During the keynote, Register added that Katana will fill the sidekick role, but won't be a replacement for Robin.

To use a quote from an ACTUAL Batman:

"This is the single DUMBEST plan I've ever heard."

I'll stick with "Batman: Year One" and "The Dark Knight Rises", thank you very much. You can keep that thing for yourself.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 12, 2011, 11:06:20 PM
To use a quote from an ACTUAL Batman:

"This is the single DUMBEST plan I've ever heard."

I'll stick with "Batman: Year One" and "The Dark Knight Rises", thank you very much. You can keep that thing for yourself.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb9VSIT8lY8[/youtube]

"DAT'S NOT MAH BATMAN. NOT EVEN GONNA WAIT TO SEE HOW IT IS."

Funnily enough, do you keep up with real Batman? You know, the comic.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Saber on October 14, 2011, 10:47:54 PM
"DAT'S NOT MAH BATMAN. NOT EVEN GONNA WAIT TO SEE HOW IT IS."

Funnily enough, do you keep up with real Batman? You know, the comic.

Yeah yeah, I know, not judge a book by its cover, etc, etc.

As for comics, I've been meaning to since DC did their reboot, but haven't gotten around to it yet. Besides, how many Batman titles does DC have in publication right now that got rebooted? Like, a dozen?
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 15, 2011, 01:50:31 AM
Yeah yeah, I know, not judge a book by its cover, etc, etc.

As for comics, I've been meaning to since DC did their reboot, but haven't gotten around to it yet. Besides, how many Batman titles does DC have in publication right now that got rebooted? Like, a dozen?
DC is MADE out of ideas that look incredibly stupid in paper, but more amazing than anything when you actually give them a chance.

People like Batman because he's realistic, grim and dark. But regular Batman takes out time abnormalities on a daily basis, fights alien gods and cosmic overlords, outsmarts the devil and everything, and does this more brilliantly than ten Time Lords put together. He is honestly DC's most unrealistic superhero, because his superpower is being a [tornado fang]ing mastermind God.

Also, there's:
- Batman (very good)
- Detective Comics (horrible, amazing artist tries to write but fails)
- Batman: The Dark Knight (horrible, yet another amazing artist tries to write, but again, fails)
- Batman & Robin (very good, it's an adventurous Batman with slice-of-life situations about his family and friends)

And the Bat-spinoffs:
- Nightwing (decent, Dick Grayson and his delicious ass)
- Batgirl (awful)
- Batwoman ([tornado fang]ing AMAZING, and one of the greatest artworks that ever graced a comic book)
- Batwing (very good, a Batman in Africa trying to deal with problems you would find in a troubled country)
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Obdulio on October 19, 2011, 03:52:45 AM
Well Joker has appeared in Young Justice ... and i have to admit i dont like his look, he looks like a pretty boy like he jumped out from some fangirl's yaoi doujin. While his dialogue is good, his voice actor [ who also played Data on Star Trek ] sounds like hes trying too hard to sound like Heath Ledger's Joker.

Whats everyone else's thoughts on the new Joker?

(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111016112536/youngjustice/images/c/ca/Injustice_League.png)
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on October 19, 2011, 05:08:28 AM
The look takes a bit to get used too, but it aint so bad. It just looks different from the jokers weve had up till now.

The voice didnt remind me of Hamil particularly. It reminded me of SOMETHING, but I cant quite put a finger on it. It was alright though
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Obdulio on October 19, 2011, 05:16:59 AM
The voice didnt remind me of Hamil particularly. It reminded me of SOMETHING, but I cant quite put a finger on it. It was alright though

Well i didnt say it remind me of Hamil but Heath Ledger.

besides that episode 14 was great episode, i saw alot of DC characters i didn't recongize but its nice to see that unsung characters are getting cameos at least :)
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on October 19, 2011, 05:22:30 AM
Oh misread that somehow. Yeah it does have hints of Ledger here and there. Actually something I noticed is that he seems to sort of overdo the voice and it starts sounding weird.

Also, Fate sounds like Darth Vader.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 19, 2011, 09:56:36 AM
Voice, look AND style are probably the worst I have ever seen in a Joker, maybe except Lieberman's Joker in Hush Returns.

He doesn't look or sound crazy, and he certainly doesn't act as such. He's hanging out with a bunch of villains when he's way out of their league, and not only does he dress like a stereotypical emo kid, he looks like he's emulating Ledger's Joker without ANY of the good stuff that made Ledger's Joker good.

That... is a Joker poser. It's exactly how an emo kid acts when they want to be the Joker. Waving a knife around for no reason and with his ridiculous pocket chain.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Pyro on October 19, 2011, 03:14:20 PM
Agreed. That was worst Joker I seen though the rest of the episode was top-notch. I wasn't expecting cameos from Blue Devil, Plastic Man and those other two whose names escape me.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 19, 2011, 07:52:31 PM
Mark Hamill says goodbye to The Joker (http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2011/10/19/after-20-years-mark-hamill-bids-a-fond-farewell-to-the-joker/)

Although at the Comic Con, I heard him say that he would come back to do the Joker one last time if DC made an animated movie of The Killing Joke.

...I would love an Animated Movie of The Killing Joke!
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 19, 2011, 08:32:44 PM
Mark Hamill says goodbye to The Joker (http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2011/10/19/after-20-years-mark-hamill-bids-a-fond-farewell-to-the-joker/)

Although at the Comic Con, I heard him say that he would come back to do the Joker one last time if DC made an animated movie of The Killing Joke.

...I would love an Animated Movie of The Killing Joke!
He always says that. =P He said it for Arkham Asylum, and he said it for some other thing. He'll be back.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 19, 2011, 08:35:49 PM
I know. I would just really love him to do The Joker for an animated version of The Killing Joke.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Acid on October 19, 2011, 09:26:07 PM
he looks like a pretty boy like he jumped out from some fangirl's yaoi doujin.

Oh! Far from it! he has far too many facial features for that. You know, a face with actualy volume and distinguishable elemenets. Like a nose.
He's also clearly male.

He is prettier than usual, but not even close to fangril yaoi doujins.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 19, 2011, 11:07:46 PM
I know. I would just really love him to do The Joker for an animated version of The Killing Joke.
Honestly... the Killing Joke Joker's probably the only one I don't really see him voicing. It's a very, very human Joker. Those parts with his origin, the way he talks and the way he expresses himself... it's the only Joker story where his plan isn't really to laugh. Hamill's Joker is BRILLIANT, but I don't imagine him being vengeful, maniacal or the usual amazing performer in that story. I imagine him showing Batman something just to make a point.

The only part of the story where I can imagine Hamill's voice, is the singing part, when he says "Don't get eeeeeven! Get maaaaaaad!"

But the rest, even his first laugh, I imagine a more disturbing, screamed and non-funny at all, something another voice would be better at.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on October 20, 2011, 03:47:16 AM
Dunno bout you, but I can see Mark Hamill doing Killing joke.

This Hamill Joker impression tells me it could work

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa0R_2K9iec[/youtube]
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Phi on October 20, 2011, 04:15:46 AM
Dunno bout you, but I can see Mark Hamill doing Killing joke.

This Hamill Joker impression tells me it could work

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa0R_2K9iec[/youtube]

Definitely. That was a fantastic impression, he really nailed the key points of what made Hamill's Joker so great (except the laughing)
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 20, 2011, 05:10:11 AM
Honestly... the Killing Joke Joker's probably the only one I don't really see him voicing. It's a very, very human Joker. Those parts with his origin, the way he talks and the way he expresses himself... it's the only Joker story where his plan isn't really to laugh. Hamill's Joker is BRILLIANT, but I don't imagine him being vengeful, maniacal or the usual amazing performer in that story. I imagine him showing Batman something just to make a point.

The only part of the story where I can imagine Hamill's voice, is the singing part, when he says "Don't get eeeeeven! Get maaaaaaad!"

But the rest, even his first laugh, I imagine a more disturbing, screamed and non-funny at all, something another voice would be better at.

I disagree. Hamill is the perfect blend of funny & menacing, and he could definitely do something more akin to Killing Joke, given his talent level.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 20, 2011, 08:53:05 AM
I disagree. Hamill is the perfect blend of funny & menacing, and he could definitely do something more akin to Killing Joke, given his talent level.
The problem is, when I see Killing Joke, I don't see funny and menacing. I see Joker being true and frank to Batman for the first time in his life.

(http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm6wfnmmpD1qjkdwlo1_500.jpg)

That, is the one thing I can never see the Hamill Joker doing. Showing his fragility. And of course, acting the Red Hood parts.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 20, 2011, 10:29:23 AM
It's really only that one scene though, and the final scene, in which he's being frank. But, he's a professional and he can definitely pull it off without being traditional Hamill Joker.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 20, 2011, 03:30:53 PM
It's really only that one scene though, and the final scene, in which he's being frank. But, he's a professional and he can definitely pull it off without being traditional Hamill Joker.
I dunno if he could pull it off. My point is, his usual Joker voice wouldn't fit The Killing Joke. In the entire story, except when he's singing his song to Gordon, he's acting in a completely different way. Not simply performing, but in this plan, he wants to prove a point. For once, he is NOT trying to be funny. I find that Hamill's Joker can never be honest. Only funny, or angry. Or lying his ass off.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on October 20, 2011, 07:20:30 PM
The problem is, when I see Killing Joke, I don't see funny and menacing. I see Joker being true and frank to Batman for the first time in his life.

(http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm6wfnmmpD1qjkdwlo1_500.jpg)

That, is the one thing I can never see the Hamill Joker doing. Showing his fragility. And of course, acting the Red Hood parts.
Again, I can see him doing it. Refer to the impression. Just keep the "funny" out of the voice and play him straight, and it can work.
Besides if he says he would "come back" for it, then he's a fan of it- im pretty sure he could pull it off great.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 20, 2011, 07:30:46 PM
I dunno if he could pull it off. My point is, his usual Joker voice wouldn't fit The Killing Joke. In the entire story, except when he's singing his song to Gordon, he's acting in a completely different way. Not simply performing, but in this plan, he wants to prove a point. For once, he is NOT trying to be funny. I find that Hamill's Joker can never be honest. Only funny, or angry. Or lying his ass off.

He could definitely pull it off. Like I said, he's a professional and he can play the role in many different ways, no matter what the role calls for. He's done other voice acting on many many different shows, and you can hear his more serious side, and the two can be intermixed throughout the story, when it calls for it. He doesn't have to play the Joker like he does in the animated series.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 20, 2011, 08:42:35 PM
He could definitely pull it off. Like I said, he's a professional and he can play the role in many different ways, no matter what the role calls for. He's done other voice acting on many many different shows, and you can hear his more serious side, and the two can be intermixed throughout the story, when it calls for it. He doesn't have to play the Joker like he does in the animated series.
I've heard his voice in many of his other roles. I just don't think it's the best voice for that kind of situation.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Phi on October 21, 2011, 09:53:43 PM
I can see Under the Red Hood Joker as a nice match for The Killing Joke.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 22, 2011, 02:18:36 AM
DiMaggio had quite a really good grip on Joker. He channeled more Nicholson Joker than Hamill, but it felt like a welcome return.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Obdulio on November 12, 2011, 02:08:53 AM
Anyone catch the New Green Lantern show on Cartoon Network ?? 

They showed the first 2 episodes, while i would prefer if it was a 2D animated show I was really surprised at how good it was especially the second episode.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on November 12, 2011, 06:48:47 AM
Saw it at the Comic Con. It was awesome.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on April 26, 2013, 01:06:03 AM
Let's revive this.

I recently saw The Dark Knight Returns, the animated 2 parter they did.

And it was glorious.

And hearing Robocop as Batman... Just rocked.

The Superman Batman fight was also just too epic for words.

EDIT: they are making Flashpoint into a movie.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Phi on April 26, 2013, 02:24:04 AM
EDIT: they are making Flashpoint into a movie.

Huh, never got the chance to read that.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on April 26, 2013, 02:52:28 AM
I liked Flashpoint a lot.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on April 26, 2013, 02:59:17 AM
Flashpoint Batman was just nuts to read.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Rin on June 19, 2013, 09:00:56 PM
Teen Titans GO is a stupidly fun show.

Having seen only a couple of episodes of original Teen Titans cartoon (and liking it) I decided to see why everyone hates this show so much.

And... I can understand why they do. But I just don't give a [parasitic bomb].

The comedy might not be gold but it's still an enjoyable time killer.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Sakura Leic on June 19, 2013, 09:04:09 PM
I actually like Teen Titans Go, better than most of the dreck that Cartoon Network has now except Adventure Time.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on June 19, 2013, 09:22:59 PM
I didn't like the original Teen Titans show.

You can imagine, this one is practically everything I hated about the original, without any of the good.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Rin on June 19, 2013, 09:25:28 PM
I didn't like the original Teen Titans show.

You can imagine, this one is practically everything I hated about the original, without any of the good.

What's wrong?

Too SILLY for you?

[spoiler]Yes, yes. I know. OPINIONS. But still... is it?[/spoiler]
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Police Girl on June 19, 2013, 09:33:55 PM
I liked the original Teen Titans until I started seeing nothing but repeats.

I just want them to put it on Netflix so I can watch the entire thing in one go.

I'll give TTG a try sometime, haven't yet because I haven't got around to it.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Phi on June 19, 2013, 09:35:01 PM
I didn't like the original Teen Titans show.

You can imagine, this one is practically everything I hated about the original, without any of the good.

I wasn't crazy about Teen Titans either... until Trigon appeared and Raven had to fulfill her prophecy. I forgot what is was exactly, I think she was to bring about the apocalypse or something. Those episodes were pretty dark, especially for a series that was wacky a lot of times. The latter being why I wasn't crazy about it.

I did really like the episodes with Terra and Beast Boy though. Their chemistry was great.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on November 14, 2013, 07:31:09 PM
I'll drop this here

http://comicbook.com/blog/2013/10/12/batman-beyond-to-return-in-dc-nation-short-animated-movie-being-considered/
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Fxeni on November 16, 2013, 07:33:28 AM
As long as they don't censor it. Never going to forget what they did to Batman Beyond RotJ.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Phi on November 16, 2013, 07:42:15 AM
As long as they don't censor it. Never going to forget what they did to Batman Beyond RotJ.

I actually thought the electrocution was far more brutal than being impaled.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on November 16, 2013, 08:18:54 AM
Mainly because imagination, and the fact that it's a more torturous painful death. He got fried. IMO, The joker's dying scream is [tornado fang]ing terrifying.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Phi on November 16, 2013, 08:40:11 AM
Exactly.

That's why, if anything, the impalement should've been the "censored" version.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Flame on November 16, 2013, 09:55:52 PM
Exactly.

That's why, if anything, the impalement should've been the "censored" version.
well you know how it is with censorship. "it can't be shown". Similarly, they removed Joker's knife from his tussle with Batman.

the Robin torture scene was also supposed to be more disturbing, with like medical [parasitic bomb] on the table or something, but that was cut real early.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Mirby on July 09, 2014, 04:25:17 AM
Okay, so I'm getting back into watching the DC Animated Universe films and am looking for suggestions cause after the ones I've seen I need more.

For reference, I've watched Justice League: Doom, Justice League: War, and Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths, with Batman: Under the Red Hood and The Flashpoint Paradox in my queue but unwatched right now.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Protoman Blues on July 09, 2014, 04:29:13 AM
Under the Red Hood is excellent. Watch the two Green Lantern ones, and Wonder Woman.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Fxeni on July 09, 2014, 04:38:39 AM
I definitely second PBs suggestions. Red Hood is pretty good, as is the Green Lantern ones.

Here's the other one's I've seen, in relative order of enjoyability for me:

- All Star Superman was pretty good.

- Batman Year One is pretty damn close to the source material, so if you like the book it's a good watch.

- Superman/Batman Public enemies wasn't too bad, from what I recall.

- Superman Vs The Elite was another one that was ok.

- Son of Batman is... ehh... it's ok I guess, but it doesn't really stand up to the earlier ones in my eyes. You could probably skip it.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Phi on July 09, 2014, 06:31:18 AM
Red Hood is absolutely amazing. IMO, that should be top priority.

Oh, and there's Batman: Gotham Knight. While it isn't technically connected to the DC Animated Universe, it's a really fun watch anyway. If you haven't seen it already, it's basically different takes/perspectives of Batman's life and adventures; a collection of animated shorts.
Title: Re: DC Animated Universe Thread
Post by: Mirby on July 09, 2014, 08:21:29 AM
Thanks for the suggestions guys! I'll check 'em out!