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Rockman & Community => Rockman Series => X => Topic started by: Keno on October 23, 2009, 07:47:37 PM
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I'm never gonna get to see another X game like X5 & X6. Ducking was awesome for bullet hell purposes, multiple armors was so awesome, & I love the hand-drawn sprites. But all those fuckfaces that want 2.5D & no ducking ruin my fun, & that makes me sad.
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I want any sort of retro-ized X9 to be 32-bit. How about you & why?
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I'd take anything by now, but I'd prefer 16-bit.
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The duck sprite exist in the SNES/16-bit games. It would be neat to see ducking used for once. ^^
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My personal preference would be a new 16-Bit X game, if they were to go retro.
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I don't want a 16 bit X9. For some reason, I REALLY don't want it
Im with Keno, if ANYTHING, id like the PSX sprites. but Id much rather prefer something I can BUY at a store. not a DL game. which will drop the quality. MM9 was a nice thing, but it just feels like filler.
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When it comes to the X series, my personal preference would be for them to make a new game with superior graphics. Only if they went retro, would I prefer 16-Bit. As long as it's not a GB game, I'm happy.
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As long as it is nice to play and look at....IfX9 comes out I´m sure I won´t play it....just like 9....Till it will be remade into a PC game by the fans >0<
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When it comes to the X series, my personal preference would be for them to make a new game with superior graphics. Only if they went retro, would I prefer 16-Bit. As long as it's not a GB game, I'm happy.
why not? I rather liked the Xtreme series. XD
lol, imagine, a retro Xtreme 3. with the GBC graphics.
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why not? I rather liked the Xtreme series. XD
lol, imagine, a retro Xtreme 3. with the GBC graphics.
Whereas I hated the Xtreme series.
If that retro Xtreme 3 had GBA/DS controls, then it'd be acceptable.
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cry more you foolish overinflated ego.
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cry more you foolish overinflated ego.
Ouch 8D
I didn´t like Xtreme 1....2 was OK, but Sigma was a boring final boss....
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cry more you foolish overinflated ego.
Hey it fits with the topics name, you melodramatic pmsing ego! 8)
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No more retro. It worked for MM9 because that's special. That kinda thing shouldn't be done all the time. It loses its charm. Though I personally disagree, X9 is much lower on the general public's pecking order. It's only been 4 or 5 years since X8, while it took 10 years for MM9 to be made.
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Feels like retro is becoming a popular trend. Best example is Konami with the Rebirth series.
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That's not really going back to old school graphics, though. I mean, Contra Rebirth's graphics are only a little worse than Contra 4's. And Castlevania Rebirth seems to be a step up from the other 2Ds as well.
Also, MM9 omitted functions introduced in later games, most notably sliding and charging your buster. The gameplay itself also turned retro, not just the graphics. I can't say much about Castlevania Rebirth yet, but Contra gameplay hasn't evolved past what Rebirth presents.
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I demand a pseudo three dimensional DASH game with 8-bit sprites. Polygons aren't retro enough.
And Keno, play X7, there's your 2.5D crouching.
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2.5D is a sin against platforming. But I can see why they do it.
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2.5D is a sin against platforming. But I can see why they do it.
I dunno about this though, it all depends on how it's done really. Interacting with a 3D environment while moving on a 2D plain however needs to be done more.
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I thought Casltevania fpr PSP handled the 2.5D really well.
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I dunno about this though, it all depends on how it's done really. Interacting with a 3D environment while moving on a 2D plain however needs to be done more.
But it's so ugly!
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It's really because no one puts effort into the visuals when it comes to most 2.5D. I remember Super Mario Galaxy's 2.5D segments looking really really nice. I wish if people would put in that kind of effort with 2.5D games.
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I'm never gonna get to see another X game like X5 & X6. Ducking was awesome for bullet hell purposes, multiple armors was so awesome, & I love the hand-drawn sprites. But all those fuckfaces that want 2.5D & no ducking ruin my fun, & that makes me sad.
TL:DR
I want any sort of retro-ized X9 to be 32-bit. How about you & why?
The duck was honestly one of the best features of the X-series, and it was a real let down for them to get rid of it. X5 in particular was interesting because the duck let you get under things that by all rights should have chopped your head off, like that purple beam Sigma shot in the intro stage.
As far as spritery goes, I agree that the 32-bit sprites were the best. X4 was my first experience with the X series, and the artwork was one of the main features I enjoyed. I loved the character select screen in particular; had that nice arcade feel to it.
Multiple armors are nice, although I think X8 handled that a bit better. I'd like to see some new, creative armor ideas, as I liked how Gaea and Shadow broke the traditional mold that was seen in the first 4 games.
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I have no problem with multiple armors, or switching, but X8 had the worst armor design by far. even if X3 had a mssy sprite, the armor design itself was good. X8... On the other hand...
Plus it ticked me off that they were so lazy as to make the Ultimate armor just a recolor of the games armor.
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The duck sprite exist in the SNES/16-bit games. It would be neat to see ducking used for once. ^^
Exactly. There's no reason why ducking couldn't be implemented in an SNES-style X game.
I'd personally like to see X9 be like the SNES games, but I could live with a PS1-styled game as well.
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I have no problem with multiple armors, or switching, but X8 had the worst armor design by far. even if X3 had a mssy sprite, the armor design itself was good. X8... On the other hand...
Plus it ticked me off that they were so lazy as to make the Ultimate armor just a recolor of the games armor.
The armor may not be the most stylish looking, but in terms of functionality it's pretty nice. I still consider Hermes to be one of the best in the series because of it. As far as Ultimate Armor goes, I don't really use it much, but yeah I was hoping for a revamped design of the X4-6 style. That was kind of a disappointment.
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X8 was probably the visually worst armor. The functionally worst would be Blade. And the worst in terms of distribution is Gaia.
As long as it's not a GB game, I'm happy.
*UPPERCUT!!*
Sorry, reflex action. Your rejection of Xtreme2 is not something I will ever understand.
I would really, really be sad to see a SNES X9 visually, but at the same time I'd be happy to see it terms of SFX (I miss the X1/X2 enhanced shot SFX so much...). But the SNES visuals simply don't work for me for any X game after the first. The first had simple designs, about on par with Bass. But the series as a whole tends to go fancier than that, and it really requires a greater level of detail than the style allows. And as I've said time and time again, the SNES never even displayed Zero's X2 armor properly. Much less the mess of pixels that was X's armor in X3. And it wasn't even a hardware limitation, it was simply a style flaw. The SNES is capable of better, but the X-series sprite style didn't allocate enough room to the body. Just a big face.
If we had to do a retro style then PS1 would be my preference as well; it is definitely my favorite X-series visual style. They would need to revamp the physics, though, with a dose of GBC air-dash momentum. Giving Zero a dashing slash by default wouldn't hurt any, either.
So far as 2.5D goes, I have nothing against the concept (case in point: Smash Bros.), but Capcom has been exceedingly lazy in their application. Part of why I hate X8's visuals is the art style change, but part of it is also the simple lack of attention to the character models. I guess they think that since the camera is usually panned away they don't need to bother, but the lack of detail is really noticeable (they didn't even differentiate between character height; the fact that X stands straight makes him appear taller than Zero). XCM's character models were awesome, and X8 just felt like a step backwards after that.
Ideally, I'd probably like to see the PS1 style reused for an Xtreme3 on the DS, while the main series presents a modern style.
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Your rejection of Xtreme2 is not something I will ever understand.
holy [parasitic bomb], i agree with easily outclassed dash weapon on something.
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Your rejection of Xtreme2 is not something I will ever understand.
LoL, we went over this. The controls suck. It's Classic series controls for an X series game, and it sucks!
holy [parasitic bomb], i agree with easily outclassed dash weapon on something.
Next think you know, you might like [ray splasher]! 8)
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Maybe the next game should cycle through ALL the styles. And the story can be "OH NO SPACETIME IS GETTING SCRAMBLED, HELP!"
And you have to collect all of Sigma's bones.
It's Classic series controls for an X series game, and it sucks!
No, that's what makes it GOOD. Classical controls are always better!
But the SNES visuals simply don't work for me for any X game after the first.
Oh no not this lecture again! Can't you just let people disagree with you about this?
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Oh no not this lecture again! Can't you just let people disagree with you about this?
oh no, he has to be right about every little nitpicky detail, or else he'll pretend to hit you.
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I think Cell Shading really works for the X seires. it worked in X7, and it worked in CM. it gives a smoother feel if done right.
I have to agree with Hypershell's post.
also, Xtreme 2's controls suck? What? They were just fine for me. I mean, there is very little they can do for the dash when there are only A and B with a D pad. plus its better than MM&Bass, which decided to make you have to double tap to dash, when down + jump works much better.
also, to add to hypershell's post, the SNES had MM&Bass. a game which uses the same exact style as Megaman 8. the only thing that could not advance to the PSX level was the music.
So sure, we can get an Snes X game.
With PSX graphics!
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Oh no not this lecture again! Can't you just let people disagree with you about this?
But Hypershell is absolutely correct; it doesn't work. Under the same limitations they can produce something much greater than that.
To give an example of what could be done:
http://www.pixeljoint.com/pixelart/43694.htm
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Okay then let's see that game get made! Yay!
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But Hypershell is absolutely correct; it doesn't work. Under the same limitations they can produce something much greater than that.
To give an example of what could be done:
http://www.pixeljoint.com/pixelart/43694.htm
This link reminded me why I loooooove pixel art. Holy crap I want an X9 like that now. XD
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Okay then let's see that game get made! Yay!
I wish.
That's pretty cool actually.
Posted on: October 23, 2009, 08:40:02 PM
This link reminded me why I loooooove pixel art. Holy crap I want an X9 like that now. XD
I know right? it looks really nice. If only... if only...
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Well, player sprites could stand a few more touch-ups, but yeah it is pretty damn awesome.
Oh no not this lecture again! Can't you just let people disagree with you about this?
"Lecture"? Trust me, that was the condensed version. I make a particular effort not to give that "lecture" in full, because right up there with why X5 is so [tornado fang]'d up, it's one of the most common rant-worthy issues to come up. Particularly relevant to this thread, as well.
It's Classic series controls for an X series game
Given the obvious hardware limitation I don't see how it's getting better than that. First of all, Classic controls are awesome. And besides, did Classic have an AIR DASH?! I think not. And unlike the PS1 games, GBC did it with proper physics.
Also:plus its better than MM&Bass
Damn straight it is. Command Dash is nice as an option (in the absence of a dedicated dash button I mean, which Xtreme2 accommodates as well), but having it as the only possible method blows like all hell.
also, to add to hypershell's post, the SNES had MM&Bass. a game which uses the same exact style as Megaman 8. the only thing that could not advance to the PSX level was the music.
In all fairness RM&F did cut back on framerate, fancy backgrounds, and such. PS1 basically allows more crap moving on screen and special effects to be happening. Pretty much the same thing as comparing Zero to ZX. Except there's also streamed music to consider, although that can go either way.
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Damn straight it is. Command Dash is nice as an option (in the absence of a dedicated dash button I mean, which Xtreme2 accommodates as well), but having it as the only possible method blows like all hell.
Specially since the GBA has an L and R button they could very well have mapped to the dash for the port.
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Indeed. For some reason they considered it obligation to use both shoulder buttons for weapon swapping. Personally I'd have been satisfied with R and Select.
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dunno. I suppose they had their reasons. Mainly since games like 8 and X4 had both of the top shoulder buttons for weapon swapping.
they didnt want to confuse players I guess. I mean, the Zero series only switches between 2 weapons at a time, so it works there, but in games where there are more...
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Heck, I never use the shoulder buttons for weapon swapping anyway; I generally do that with the menu screen, and it's otherwise mapped Triangle and Circle (in terms of PSX anyway). Dashing and Special Weapons tend to function better with the shoulder-button mapping.
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they still could have had an option for Bass.
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First of all, Classic controls are awesome. And besides, did Classic have an AIR DASH?! I think not. And unlike the PS1 games, GBC did it with proper physics.
Classic controls are awesome for CLASSIC series games, not X games. No dash button = awful for dashing & ESPECIALLY dashing off of walls. It's playing a series with a faster paced control scheme with less buttons, thereby hindering it & slowing it down.
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Classic controls are awesome for CLASSIC series games, not X games. No dash button = awful for dashing & ESPECIALLY dashing off of walls. It's playing a series with a faster paced control scheme with less buttons, thereby hindering it & slowing it down.
THIS.
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Okay, explain how they can make a dash button in your liking for the Gameboy Color.
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Okay, explain how they can make a dash button in your liking for the Gameboy Color.
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Perhaps you've missed the point of what I said in the last discussion I had over this. They can't, which is why I think the game sucks. Myself, I like having a dash button for my X series games. The Xtreme series is hindered by having an inferior control scheme, or to put it another way, it was a system too early. I probably would've enjoyed it on the GBA.
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thats a pretty lame reason. Just because of the dashing.
pretty silly actually. When the Game plays just as well as the other X games, only limited by the hardware.
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Dashing is a very important part of X games. It's a very different experience playing an X game without a dash button (or in Xtreme1's case, a well positioned dash button. Select does not work like that). It never got in my way, but I can understand PB's complaint.
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thats a pretty lame reason. Just because of the dashing.
pretty silly actually. When the Game plays just as well as the other X games, only limited by the hardware.
Logically, if a game is limited by the hardware, keyword Limited, it does not play as well as the other X games, due to said hardware being limited. The control scheme is limited. Hell, and this is really only for Xtreme 2. Xtreme 1 is just plain garbage.
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Hey, I never said Xtreme 1. It IS pretty bad. Dash button aside. its also quite plagued by glitches. Did you know that it once went greyscale on me when going through a savepoint? It was so weird. No not even. everything was like white with outlines...
Each to their own opinion, but I just dont agree with you. :P
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I didn't get that far in Xtreme 1. After seeing that it was the same parts of X1 & X2, just done horribly and with no dash button, I stopped playing.
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Yeah. it was like that. Although, even if you dislike the controls for Xtreme 2, you cant deny it was better than Xtreme 1 even if it was rehashed stages. (although a few had some changes If I remember right)
Hell, the final form of Sigma was an original form. Even if his fist one was his X2 version.
All matters on Controls aside, I thought it was a great game.
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From what I saw of Vixy playing it, the stages looked well designed from Xtreme 2. Of course, from what I saw of Vixy playing it, it only reconfirmed my strong desire never to play it.
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Whatever. I suppose if you dont like it you dont like it. I if I like it, I like it. :P
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Ugh, I remember picking up Xtreme 1 again out of boredom, and the final stage started glitching on me: after the 8 bosses, the screen wouldn't scroll correctly, and X would actually walk off the screen. I couldn't even go on to fight Sigma.
I would record it, but I'm not sure the exact way to reproduce the glitch. Although it happened more than once.
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No dash button = awful for dashing & ESPECIALLY dashing off of walls. It's playing a series with a faster paced control scheme with less buttons, thereby hindering it & slowing it down.
Nobody cares when you have proper air-dash momentum, you need only a double-tap and you're flying. Which actually leaves Xtreme2 at a faster pace than the PS1 games so far as aerial/wall maneuvers go.
Although, even if you dislike the controls for Xtreme 2, you cant deny it was better than Xtreme 1 even if it was rehashed stages. (although a few had some changes If I remember right)
The only purely rehashed stage in Xtreme1 is Flame Mammoth. Launch Octopus is extremely similar but does have a few extra branches. Volt Catfish (although not from his own stage but from Toxic Seahorse's) and the first two Fortress stages re-use some segments and carry original segments at the same time.
Both of the above two points are where Xtreme1 failed. There is little if any original stage design and a 2-button setup does not work without an air-dash (I agree, Select is not positioned for that). Armor upgrades were pretty crappy as well. Furthermore Xtreme1 suffers MM2GB syndrome in that its instruments are positively ear-piercing. Compare the victory jingles in both games, it's the same tune (X1's), but Xtreme1 murdered it while Xtreme2's sounds nice.
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You know, with PB complaining about lacking certain control features, he'd probably really dislike fighting Berkana. >.>
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Unless he's really good at avoiding the button-lock thingies she throws at him. ^^
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Reading this through, i'm shocked that noone mentioned how Shadow Complex handled 2.5D really well.
...that's it.
As far as the 16-bit disagreement goes. I think only direction can say much on it, especially on good design.
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Nobody cares when you have proper air-dash momentum, you need only a double-tap and you're flying. Which actually leaves Xtreme2 at a faster pace than the PS1 games so far as aerial/wall maneuvers go.
And again, I hate double-tapping for dashing in everything except Turtles in Time.
You know, with PB complaining about lacking certain control features, he'd probably really dislike fighting Berkana. >.>
I'd venture to say yes! XD
Unless he's really good at avoiding the button-lock thingies she throws at him. ^^
If the game had a Dash Button, it'd be no problem!
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And again, I hate double-tapping for dashing in everything except Turtles in Time.
I know you're not the most stellar in fighting games (or so you and Lou say), but even fighting games too?
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I know you're not the most stellar in fighting games (or so you and Lou say), but even fighting games too?
Hmmm, valid point. Although, come to think of it, I don't even do it that often in fighting games. Heh, probably one of the reasons I suck.
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And again, I hate double-tapping for dashing in everything except Turtles in Time.
Air dashing in Xtreme 2 is the same as double jumping, so no excuses for that one :P
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Air dashing in Xtreme 2 is the same as double jumping, so no excuses for that one :P
It's also the same in X6 in case of the Falcon and Blade Armors. I actually do double-tap from time to time and it's no real hassle, although I do agree that MM&B failed for forcing it on us, especially after they had just made MMZ which utilized shoulder-dashing.
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Yeah, but R&F already used the shoulder buttons for weapon switching, so insted of removing them (which I wouldn't really mind) and mapping the dash button to L or R for MM&B, they simply removed the dash button and left them there =/
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Air dashing in Xtreme 2 is the same as double jumping, so no excuses for that one :P
As in, I press the jump button twice....and I dash in the air?
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Exactly. When you're in mid-air of a jump, press the jump button to air-dash. That's simple controls. ^^
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It still sounds awful for dashing off the walls.
There's just no pleasing me! XD
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Wall-dashing was done automatically IIRC. Simply jumping off of a wall gave you the same distance as a dash-wall-jump would.
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Wall-dashing was done automatically IIRC.
In Xtreme 1 yea, but not in Xtreme 2. ^^
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that ability was exclusive to the Xtreme 1 armor, the ability to dash wall jump just by regular wall jumping, since it is the first armor, and can not give you the dash you already have by default.
Xtreme 2 had the upwards air dash from X3. (In the X2 armor!)
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The only purely rehashed stage in Xtreme1 is Flame Mammoth. Launch Octopus is extremely similar but does have a few extra branches. Volt Catfish (although not from his own stage but from Toxic Seahorse's) and the first two Fortress stages re-use some segments and carry original segments at the same time.
Wasn't Wire Sponge also pretty similar? And don't forget that Neon Tiger has mostly Sting Chameleon for some reason!
Compare the victory jingles in both games, it's the same tune (X1's), but Xtreme1 murdered it while Xtreme2's sounds nice.
They sound about the same, only the first game has a higher-pitched melody, which sounds cuter, which matches the cute X sprites! And then the second game's password song is too fast. Maybe Super Nintendo can handle that kind of speed, but ya gotta cool it for Game Boy!
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You know, with PB complaining about lacking certain control features, he'd probably really dislike fighting Berkana. >.>
Now I know I've been on RPM too long, because I'm picturing Berkana chaining PB to the wall and....you know what, I'd rather not pursue those images.
As in, I press the jump button twice....and I dash in the air?
*smacks PB with his magic fish*
YES!!!
I've spent MONTHS trying to tell you that and you're only now catching on?! O:<
Dear God, man, just play the thing already. At least then if you need to [sonic slicer], you'll know what you're bitching about.
Wasn't Wire Sponge also pretty similar? And don't forget that Neon Tiger has mostly Sting Chameleon for some reason!
Forgot about Wire Sponge. And yeah, there is some Sting likeness, but it's short.
All in all the level design is nicely balanced between old and new, though. Whereas Xtreme1 was pretty much just old. Might as well play the originals in that case.
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To be fair to PB, you said you have to double tap, which usually means tapping forward twice not pressing A and then A again.
Oh, and I hadn't seen the fish in a while, what happened to it? XD
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*smacks PB with his magic fish*
YES!!!
I've spent MONTHS trying to tell you that and you're only now catching on?! O:<
Dear God, man, just play the thing already. At least then if you need to [sonic slicer], you'll know what you're bitching about.
Again...
It still sounds awful for dashing off the walls.
There's just no pleasing me! XD
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It would be awful if it were PS1 air-dashing. Thankfully, it is not, and it therefore rocks. :P
To be fair to PB, you said you have to double tap, which usually means tapping forward twice not pressing A and then A again.
Okay, that excuses THIS thread. What about the other 2 billion times I've spoken to him? Smacking PB for not playing Xtreme2 is practically as old as my presence on the board. I've been over the improvements from Xtreme1, and the difference that air-dashing makes being chief among them, more times than I can possibly count.
Oh, and I hadn't seen the fish in a while, what happened to it? XD
Gave Zan his own, and I didn't want the two of 'em to get too close.
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Smacking PB for not playing Xtreme2
That was a losing battle from the start. PB is just not man enough to beat the likes of Ether & Souel.
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It would be awful if it were PS1 air-dashing. Thankfully, it is not, and it therefore rocks. :P
I had no issue with PS1 air-dashing at all! Can you guess why? :V
That was a losing battle from the start. PB is just not man enough to beat the likes of Ether & Souel.
No he is not! When awful control schemes (IE: Xtreme series, Star Fox DS) interfere with his enjoyment of a game, he quits, buckles like a belt, and lets Ninja Lou tell him if the game was good or not! 8)
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So you're telling me I should be smacking Lou for not doing his job?
That can be arranged.
Can you guess why? :V
Because you enjoy coming to a dead stop in midair?
he quits, buckles like a belt,
*record skip*
......what?
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So you're telling me I should be smacking Lou for not doing his job?
That can be arranged.
You can smack him too, if you want. He hated the controls for both Xtreme games, yet kept on trucking through, like a trooper! XD
Because you enjoy coming to a dead stop in midair?
Didn't bother me. I still had my all so important dash button. 8)
*record skip*
...what?
I tend to bunch both Xtreme games in the same category!
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Nevermind. Between your avatar and the talk of Berkana pjwning you, I misread that.
I still had my all so important dash button. 8)
In mid-air, you have it in Xtreme2 as well. Xtreme2 just does the actual air-dash better. 8)
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No he is not! When awful control schemes (IE: Xtreme series, Star Fox DS) interfere with his enjoyment of a game, he quits, buckles like a belt, and lets Ninja Lou tell him if the game was good or not!
You quit? You haven't even begun to try! Man up, get the game and play it.
This is the era of the internet, shouldn't be hard to get it through whatever means. Doing just that, you can get your oh so important dash button by mapping select to instead a more appropriate button.
You have no excuse, PB, and you know it.
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Star Fox Command was awesome, [tornado fang] you.
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You're cornered PB... There's no where to run...
*pulls out Xtreme 2*
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I enjoyed Star Fox Command, but even I have to admit it'd have benefited from classic controls. And what the hell is with the inability to tilt your ship? Yeah, that's excusable in corridors, but for all-range? No way. However, in spite of this, it still beats the hell out of Assault.
Doing just that, you can get your oh so important dash button by mapping select to instead a more appropriate button.
Actually, that would only work for Xtreme1. In Xtreme2, Select can be either weapon switch, or more appropriately, character switch. No dash.
Xtreme2 dash commands are as follows:
-double-tap forward
-down+jump
-jump (midair)
Something with a programmable combo for #1 would be nice, although it might cut response time a bit.
Honestly, though, dash-jumping in Xtreme2 is rather pointless. With proper air-dash physics as they are on the GBC, you can cover just as much if not more ground with the air-dash. The only real inconvenience with option 2 on the ground is if you've beaten Flame Mammoth as Zero, since Down+Attack triggers Fire Wave. Still, that's nothing compared to putting up with Sentsuizan. And since weapons aren't shared, you can always beat him as X (which will save you 2000 Nightmare Souls if you're planning on getting the Shotokan moves).
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Honestly, though, dash-jumping in Xtreme2 is rather pointless. With proper air-dash physics as they are on the GBC, you can cover just as much if not more ground with the air-dash.
If you can master that bud, then you are the true "Knight of the Wind". -_-
I had no problems with the Xtreme2 controls too, all I did was check to see if the area is appropriate for Air Dashing in general, and set it to proper controls, the X GB games was just on the wrong system, that's all. Plus SFC's DS controls made Barrel Rolling hell easier.
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Well, yeah, but if you're barrel-rolling like a maniac 90% of the time, it kinda loses its appeal.
My main issue is that I like to roll my ship manually, just for the sake of acting nuts. That's why I turn off auto-roll on every flight game I ever play. SFC doesn't even allow non-barrel rolling at all (earlier games at least allowed a 90-degree tilt), much less disabling the auto-roll. Which, again, would work for an arcade-style corridor game, which Star Fox used to do. But going all-range for the entire game they're stepping more on flight sim territory, which makes the limitations more irritating.
If you can master that bud, then you are the true "Knight of the Wind". -_-
Well, now I HAVE to listen to that music track. Not a bad thing, though. 8)
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You know, I'm a really weird guy when it comes to the Xtreme games, more specifically Xtreme1. I enjoyed Xtreme1 A LOT, and I never found dashing annoying, in fact, I LIKED IT. Looking back now, I have no [tornado fang]ing clue how the hell that happened.
However, in spite of this, it still beats the hell out of Assault.
I would disagree with this, but I never played Command after touching it once because of the controls.
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Well I enjoyed it too, but I have to admit it was poorly made. Just like X7 was.
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I played it to completion; Normal, Hard, Xtreme, and all. Never went back after clearing all modes. Although I didn't appreciate the audio, it's not so much that the game is bad as it is just inferior. Xtreme1 doesn't do much of anything to set itself apart from the SNES games, and obviously is incapable of reproducing them in full detail. It doesn't even grant you the proper X2 abilities. It's just pointless. Even X7, badly implemented as it was, is at least something original.
I'm a fan of nostalgia and all, but if you're going to pass it as a new game you have to offer enough original content for it to feel fresh, and that means more than changing the dialogue and two new mid-stage bosses. And if they were going to pass it as a port they'd have offered better armor abilities. It's essentially the worst of both approaches.
As for Star Fox Assault, I did try it. Many, many times in the store demos, trying to convince myself to buy it. Nevermind the on-foot segments, I couldn't even stand the ship handling. It was too damn slow. You're flying a sci-fi space jet, for crying out loud, it ought to MOVE.
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I was calling myself weird because of liking the dash, not the game.
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Oh, that. Well then you are weird. Not that that's saying much around here. 8D
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But you could re map the dash in Xtreme 1 couldnt you? I think you could change it to down A... ugh. dont remember.
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You could change it to ^^VV<><>BA Start button. >U<
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Ugh, I remember picking up Xtreme 1 again out of boredom, and the final stage started glitching on me: after the 8 bosses, the screen wouldn't scroll correctly, and X would actually walk off the screen. I couldn't even go on to fight Sigma.
I would record it, but I'm not sure the exact way to reproduce the glitch. Although it happened more than once.
I've never had this happen to me while playing it, but when Vixy was playing through the game it happened a few times (she had to keep reloading).
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If you can master that bud, then you are the true "Knight of the Wind". -_-
I'll stick with Elemental God of the Wind, thanks. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weTsg6WmM-w)
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You quit? You haven't even begun to try! Man up, get the game and play it.
This is the era of the internet, shouldn't be hard to get it through whatever means. Doing just that, you can get your oh so important dash button by mapping select to instead a more appropriate button.
You have no excuse, PB, and you know it.
Oh, I own the game. Both of the Xtreme's, actually. I bought it the first day it came out. I own it for collection purposes, and nothing more. Just like X7 & the Mega Man PC games. 8D
As for mapping the button to select, I tried it in Xtreme 1, and 100% hated it, probably as much as I hate double-tap dashing. This is how I prefer to play X series games...
(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/7590/photo638.jpg)
...I need to shave. Anyway, notice my freakish, claw like finger lovingly hovering over the A Dash button, while the thumb blissfully manages both the Jump & Buster buttons. The L & R buttons are quickly accessible for weapon switching, preferably the L button. This is the way I play on the PS1 as well, and I've never had a problem with it. The same goes with the PSP games as well.
This is why I hold to my position that, for ME, the Xtreme series games were a system too early. Had this been a GBA game, I probably could've made the L or R button a Dash Button. I'm not very good at conforming. I'm quite stubborn, as you can tell by my moronic reason for never playing X7. So, in regards to the dashing, this...
Xtreme2 dash commands are as follows:
-double-tap forward
-down+jump
-jump (midair)
...sucks and sucks hard. It's not the way I enjoy playing X series games, games in a series, for which I have the SNES & PS1 games for. LoL, by my logic, not playing 1 game due to me hating the controls is not that big of a loss, considering I have 7 other X games I can play on the SNES & PS/PS2. 8, if you count Maverick Hunter X! 8D
but I never played Command after touching it once because of the controls.
Hey, how about that! Not touching a game due to the controls. 8)
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That's why you play Xtreme on an emulator, so you can map dashing to wherever you want.
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I'm quite stubborn, as you can tell by my moronic reason for never playing X7.
Actually, I can understand you not liking X7. It does make sense. but this is what doesnt.
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(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/7590/photo638.jpg)
I just wanted to say that this is exactly how I hold the controller when I play the X games. The only exception being MHX, due to the PSP not being shaped in such a manner where this position is comfortable enough.
The Xtreme games... well, they're alright. The second one is better than the first, however it isn't perfect. The Sigma battles in both of them have much left to be desired, I find. Also, the dashing did feel quite awkward. I will say that I agree with Hypershell (for once) when it comes to the air dash in the second one; it feels very natural.
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Am I the only one who uses a symmetrical grip?
(http://xs744.xs.to/xs744/09430/clawhands991.png.xs.jpg) (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs744&d=09430&f=clawhands991.png)
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I just wanted to say that this is exactly how I hold the controller when I play the X games.
Who didn't devilishly curve their pointer finger back then? That's just how you got by charging and dash-jumping at the same time.
I stuck with A/Circle until Zero-series. Then after picking up XC on GCN, I used L dash as I smited all the GCN controller nay-sayers throughout all six games (B is Special, A is Attack, X is Jump, Y is Giga, R/Z or R/C-Stick depending on console generation is weapon switching). Since then I couldn't really help but resort to shoulder-button dashing in X7/X8 to complete the set. Basically I model them after my ZX setup (X/Triangle is Special and R is character/form swap) and use L2/R2 for weapon switching.
The Sigma battles in both of them have much left to be desired, I find.
I like the final Xtreme2 boss, since like the tank boss earlier in the fortress, it encourages teamwork between X and Zero. Doesn't make it absolutely mandatory, though, which is good.
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Hey, how about that! Not touching a game due to the controls. 8)
Heh, yeah. Thing is that I had 0 problems with Xtreme's controls while I found Command unplayable.
Also, I can never imagine myself dashing in a Megaman console game with any button other than L.
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Who didn't devilishly curve their pointer finger back then? That's just how you got by charging and dash-jumping at the same time.
You know, with how many that played the original SNES games couldn't get the hint that L/R dashing was far superior. I really don't see how PB has the nerve to complain about XC and XS's mechanics. Dashing whilst charging and jumping doesn't stop being stupidly clumsy until you change the controls. Yet he still put him with devilishly curved fingers and enjoyed it. If you can do that, what's so bad about using two buttons to dash?
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Fans could still change controls back in the 90's and they would still complain.
In fact, X1 was the first Rockman game to let you change control settings.
After that, the first Classic series game with that feature was Soccer and Mega World. :3
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OK, looking at the pictures everyone is posting in this thread on how they hold their controllers, I have come to only one conclusion. You guys are freaks. What is up with that hook you are making to hit L there PB? Are you trying to be The Claw from Inspector Gadget? XD
Align's image is close to what I do, except my hands look a fair bit more relaxed while doing so. As for button layouts:
Direction Pad - Move
L Button - Dash
B Button - Jump
Y Button - Primary Buster/Weapon
A Button - Giga
R Button - Secondary Weapon Charge/Use
Select - Cycle Through Weapons (Hardly Used)
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I use a keyboard, however for that, I have it like this;
Z - Special Weapon - I use my third finger for this
X - Main weapon - same as above
C - Jump - I use my middle finger
V - Dash - Index finger, as well as everything else below
G - Change weapon Left
B - Change weapon Right
F - Giga
..and D would be L2
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Thing is, most people who use the L button to dash nowadays only adopted this once the Zero series came out. Well, that seems to be the case from what I see.
Also, I don't understand how you guys like the L for dashing. It feels so ridiculously uncomfortable and wrong for me, so I switch to dashing with the R button. I guess this could be attributed to using my right index finger for so many years to dash.
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i always use A/Circle for dashing. <<
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So do I when it comes to the console games. What can I say, it feels more reliable most of the time than the shoulder buttons.
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Thing is, most people who use the L button to dash nowadays only adopted this once the Zero series came out. Well, that seems to be the case from what I see.
I was using L before I played the Zero games. Hell, I was using L for running in Super Metroid.
Also, I don't understand how you guys like the L for dashing. It feels so ridiculously uncomfortable and wrong for me, so I switch to dashing with the R button. I guess this could be attributed to using my right index finger for so many years to dash.
Maybe because if dashing was on R, I'd be pressing 3 buttons at a time with one hand, which might feel clumsy. With dash as L, there's equal distribution between both hands; right hand jumps and shoots, left hand moves and dashes.
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I like the final Xtreme2 boss, since like the tank boss earlier in the fortress, it encourages teamwork between X and Zero. Doesn't make it absolutely mandatory, though, which is good.
What are you talking about? Final Sigma in Xtreme 2 FORCED you to switch between X and Zero. When he was Orange he could be attacked by both characters. When he was red, only Zero could harm him. When he was Blue, only X could. And that was just to get him to reveal the sigma inside!
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[tornado fang] dashing. (http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=2755376&pagenumber=62#post367318624)
also, greetings once again from Something Awful.
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I really love what I've done to this topic! XD
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I really love what I've done to this topic! XD
And that makes me sad
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What are you talking about? Final Sigma in Xtreme 2 FORCED you to switch between X and Zero. When he was Orange he could be attacked by both characters. When he was red, only Zero could harm him. When he was Blue, only X could. And that was just to get him to reveal the sigma inside!
Yeah, or you can just wait for him to switch away from the color of the character you don't want to use, if you have a lot of patience. Does he ever switch back to orange?
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No. I think after he starts switching, he only switches between red and blue from then on. otherwise, there wouldnt be much challenge, just rapid fire ultimate buster him to death.
EDIT: Did i mention how much I love the devastating potential the buster has in this game? equip X with a buster up or two, ultimate buster, rapid shot, and then turn on rapid fire.
RAAAAEEEP.
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Wow my thread got big. Don't you guys party on the weekends?
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No. I play videogames and watch anime on weekends.
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Party? Nope. Closest thing to a party I get on the weekends is watching anime characters get drunk off of a demonic mist.
Yeah, or you can just wait for him to switch away from the color of the character you don't want to use, if you have a lot of patience. Does he ever switch back to orange?
Well, Bag beat me to it.
And no, he doesn't.
EDIT: Did i mention how much I love the devastating potential the buster has in this game? equip X with a buster up or two, ultimate buster, rapid shot, and then turn on rapid fire.
RAAAAEEEP.
I prefer rapid-firing manually, but yeah, it's damn awesome.
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Its a rapid fire rapid fire of charge busters! theyre only X's standard charge shot, but it doesnt matter! it still kills anything.
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Oh, well I wasn't home from Friday afternoon until late last night. I was so trashed Saturday night. Like, so trashed.
So I play my X games like this:
(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/3290/pspcontrol.png)
If I have 2 more shoulder buttons, I'll pop Giga Attack on one of those & make my right face button weapon scroll right & make the top face button weapon scroll left. I also use that weapon scrolling configuration for anything with no Giga Attacking, like MM8.
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Since everyone put their control schematics in there I will show you mine too.
Rockman X1-3
Keyboard
W= Up
A= Left
D= Right
S= Down
F= Start
C= Select
(Right side of the keyboard for the numbers)
0= B (Jump)
4= Y (X-Buster)
8= X
9= A (Dash)
+= R
Q= L
USB Playstation Controller
Diagonal Keys as usuall including Start and Select
X= B (Jump)
R1= Y (X-Buster)
Triangle= X
Circle= A (Dash)
Quadrat= R (Weapon Switch)
L1= L
Rockman Zero 1-4
Keyboard
W= Up
A= Left
D= Right
S= Down
F= Start
C= Select
(Right side of the keyboard for the numbers)
0= A (Jump)
4= B (Z-Saber)
8= R (Bustershot)
9= L (Dash)
USB Playstation Controller
Diagonal Keys as usuall including Start and Select
X= A (Jump)
R1= R (Bustershot)
Quadrat= Y (Z-Saber)
Circle= L (Dash)
Rockman ZX and Advent
Keyboard
W= Up
A= Left
D= Right
S= Down
F= Start
C= Select
(Right side of the keyboard for the numbers)
0= B (Jump)
4= Y (Saber Weapons/ Lock on ememies)
8= X (Buster Weapons)
9= A (Dash)
+= R (Overdrive/ Giga Attack)
Q= L (Change Form)
USB Playstation Controller
Diagonal Keys as usuall including Start and Select
X= B (Jump)
R1= R (Buster Weapons)
Circle= A (Dash)
Quadrat= Y (Saber Weapons/Lock on enemies)
L1= L ( Change Form)
L2= X (Overdrive/Giga Attack)
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Control mechanics? Steering wheel, RockmanX8 PC, great fun.
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X1-3 square to shoot, circle to dash, x to jump. L1/R1 weapon switch.
X4-6 same, add giga attack to R2
X7 the basic ones...
Well, i guess I just use the default controls. they work for me.
Only thing I do, is in the Zero series, switch R to weapon switch the weapon instead of the other 2 setable options for the subweapon. ZX I have it as R is the sub weapon.
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Ah yeah, I forgot about Zero/ZX control options. I go for Switch as well, but ZX is rather clearly not meant to be played that way. So in that one, Y for main, X for sub (R switches forms). Other than that (and Command Dash off), default.
Charging two weapons at once isn't the easiest thing that way, but it does make combination attacks like HX's saber combo and OX's Double Charge Wave feel a lot more natural. I just can't get used to using a shoulder button to attack (unless it's a Giga, anyway, and even that I stopped since getting XC).
Control mechanics? Steering wheel, RockmanX8 PC, great fun.
You always seem to get the ass end of control setups, huh?
:cookie:
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Control mechanics? Steering wheel, RockmanX8 PC, great fun.
Sounds like a blast. I remember when my friends & I were using dance pads to play Soul Caliber 4.
X1-3 square to shoot, circle to dash, x to jump. L1/R1 weapon switch.
X4-6 same, add giga attack to R2
X7 the basic ones...
Well, i guess I just use the default controls. they work for me.
Uuuuuh you can hit everything as you need to like that? How the [tornado fang] do you dash jump & use whichever weapon you need at the time?
Only thing I do, is in the Zero series, switch R to weapon switch the weapon instead of the other 2 setable options for the subweapon. ZX I have it as R is the sub weapon.
Switch? SWITCH? How the [tornado fang] does that not cripple you immensely?
Ah yeah, I forgot about Zero/ZX control options. I go for Switch as well, but ZX is rather clearly not meant to be played that way. So in that one, Y for main, X for sub (R switches forms). Other than that (and Command Dash off), default.
I set my form switch to X. I don't like doing anything more than 2 things at a time with my right thumb these days.
Charging two weapons at once isn't the easiest thing that way, but it does make combination attacks like HX's saber combo and OX's Double Charge Wave feel a lot more natural. I just can't get used to using a shoulder button to attack (unless it's a Giga, anyway, and even that I stopped since getting XC).
Boy your dexterity must be bad. Play some Guitar Hero.
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Uuuuuh you can hit everything as you need to like that? How the [tornado fang] do you dash jump & use whichever weapon you need at the time?
The Claw.
(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/7590/photo638.jpg)
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Boy your dexterity must be bad. Play some Guitar Hero.
You couldn't be more wrong. Using a shoulder button to attack just doesn't feel natural to me; that's a matter of habit, not of skill.
And you're not one to speak of dexterity when you know nothing of the dash-claw. :P
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I don't know how anyone could use a shoulder button for an attack. I could hold down X and B, use A to jump, and use the individual Subweapon scheme (assuming there's no auto-charge),
But I'd really just as soon have R Switch. Don't give a [fourth chaos emerald] about Harpuia's triple slash, and if I somehow needed the rapid-fire use only the Subweapon scheme would provide, that's the developer's fault for allowing a Switch scheme, not mine.
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i hold the controller upsidedown for snes/ps* x games >>;
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Dance Mat or Arcade Stick~
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I use the SNES joystick thing.
Beat that.
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How about footballs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XjwoVqM_qE)?
I hold controllers in a usual way, A is always shot, B - jump, L - dash, R - subweapon (I can use L/R even faster than front buttons), rest depending on the game.
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you know what makes me sad?
the fact that the game style matters more than the actual presence of a game.
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you know what makes me sad?
the fact that the game style matters more than the actual presence of a game.
I must agree.
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I might have agreed with that if I'd never played Yoshi's Island DS.
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You couldn't be more wrong. Using a shoulder button to attack just doesn't feel natural to me; that's a matter of habit, not of skill.
And you're not one to speak of dexterity when you know nothing of the dash-claw. :P
I know as much as anyone about the dash-claw. I prefer clawing on the Saturn controllers; it's more comfortable. The whole claw is a bad habit, though. I dropped it years ago.
How about footballs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XjwoVqM_qE)?
Aww I thought it was gonna be football related.
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Aww I thought it was gonna be Rugby for retarded manchildren who need to wear padding related.
fixed~
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There's nothing wrong with keeping players around for longer, & plays a nice new level of depth. You just don't like anything that doesn't come in bags.
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I might have agreed with that if I'd never played Yoshi's Island DS.
Wait, what? Explain.
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Yoshi's Island DS had an interesting style?
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I think it's the late night surfing getting the better of me, but it sounded like he was saying that substance over style didn't apply to that game.
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There's nothing wrong with keeping players around for longer, & plays a nice new level of depth. You just don't like anything that doesn't come in bags.
yeah, and you don't like my awesome psuedo britishness, we're even :3
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I think it's the late night surfing getting the better of me, but it sounded like he was saying that substance over style didn't apply to that game.
I think he was mostly saying style can go a long way, to which I disagree. I just want a nice set of new X games with 2D sprites I can get used to. Never was a fan of figuring out 2.5D's wonky hitboxes.
yeah, and you don't like my awesome psuedo britishness, we're even :3
Canada's like America, except you guys got pity freedom from the British Empire.
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Canada rocks. It gave us a better view of The Falls, the best non-chocolate candy on the face of the Earth (http://anniestreasuretrove.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/smarties.jpg), and Colin Mochrie. Plus five bucks American gets you a long way there.
I think it's the late night surfing getting the better of me, but it sounded like he was saying that substance over style didn't apply to that game.
My apologies, I read "the actual presence of the game" as being simply whether or not it exists. I gather you actually meant the quality of its content? Miscommunication there.
Anyways my mention of YIDS was saying that a sequel for the sake of a sequel, without considering how, isn't always that bright an idea, no matter how good of a base you're working off of. YIDS adhered a bit too strictly to an old style, and the result was a good game that mostly failed to differentiate itself from a far superior game.
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Canada's like America, except you guys got pity freedom from the British Empire.
If it means no one died, then what's wrong with that?
Canada rocks. It gave us a better view of The Falls, the best non-chocolate candy on the face of the Earth (http://anniestreasuretrove.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/smarties.jpg), and Colin Mochrie. Plus five bucks American gets you a long way there.
I love you XD
...anyways, forgot to mention before on the matter of control setup; for the Zero games, I have R set switch weapons, the rest is left the same. In ZX, I just leave the default (with Command Dash off)
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If it means no one died, then what's wrong with that?
It's boring. Besides, the British needed a good slap in the face at that point in history. They were getting to be quite dicks.
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the best non-chocolate candy on the face of the Earth (http://anniestreasuretrove.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/smarties.jpg)
Those sweet, delicious, best candies ever are from Canada? You learn something new every day. Now excuse me while I go get more of those things.
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Did you know kids smoke Smarties in the wrapper like a cigarette these days in an attempt to get high? They also snort pixie sticks, which gives them nasal maggots. Whatever happened to real drugs?
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Plus five bucks American gets you a long way there.
Haha, no it won't.
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I'm pretty sure Canada's currency is gasoline. The whole country's like Road Warrior.
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Canadian dollar > american dollar these days.
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I don't care. American dollars are easy to get.
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100.00 USD = 67.5676 EUR
100.00 CAD = 62.3030 EUR
Um, one of them gives more value. >U<
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Haha, Euros. What a way to cripple a country's ability to operate by itself. Sharing money... It's kind of silly to me, since money's value is directly proportional to the government's stability. Whose in charge of the Euro, anyway?
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You know, all you had to say was Maple Syrup to show Canada's worth, buddy!
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But why limit yourself to one thing? Although lack of Maple Syrup mention until your post is weird.
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But why limit yourself to one thing?
Because what else is there
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Because what else is there
hockey, tim hortons, beer, lumberjacks, beavers, tuques.
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We have beer here, & I love my local breweries. Lumberjacks are cool I guess. Hockey's kinda gay. What's timhortons & tuques? Beavers are inconsequential.
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Tim Horton's is like Dunkin' Donuts, only a thousand times better.
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I have no idea what this thread is about.
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Tim Horton's is like Dunkin' Donuts mixed with Starbucks, only a thousand times better and cheaper.
fixed for accuracy.
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Tim Horton's opened up in Herald Square. I've been meaning to try it.
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fixed for accuracy.
Fair enough, no arguments here.
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Tim Horton's opened up in Herald Square. I've been meaning to try it.
Looks like I have somewhere new to go this weekend/upcoming week. 8)
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I have no idea what this thread is about.
Megaman X: The maverick Hungers: Starbuck's evasion.
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Simpler version: This is RPM. [tornado fang] staying on topic. XD
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I forgot the Donut Virus in the Dunkin' colony.
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So...what were we sad about again?
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about how there's no donuts in starbutts.Or whatever.
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I dunno. Saddest thing I got from the last page or so is that Keno considers beavers to be inconsequential.
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So...what were we sad about again?
how awesome canada is.
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So...what were we sad about again?
I'm never gonna get to see another X game like X5 & X6. Ducking was awesome for bullet hell purposes, multiple armors was so awesome, & I love the hand-drawn sprites. But all those fuckfaces that want 2.5D & no ducking ruin my fun, & that makes me sad.
TL:DR
I want any sort of retro-ized X9 to be 32-bit. How about you & why?
im more sad about how this thread has gotten so far off-topic and that no moderator cares. in fact, they help the conversation further away from what it is supposed to be.
good job guys. i've been real proud of you lately.
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im more sad about how this thread has gotten so far off-topic and that no moderator cares. in fact, they help the conversation further away from what it is supposed to be.
good job guys. i've been real proud of you lately.
Nice to see you've been so concerned about our moderation. Tell me, how has that been helping with the snideness on your time away?
Also, we've been having the same style debate since Megaman 9 was announced. No one is really that interested in covering old ground. Thread locked.