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Rockman & Community => Rockman Series => Original => Topic started by: Rin on October 16, 2009, 10:02:51 AM
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Well, I was wondering about something.
Quint, from one of the gameboy games, is just Rockman from the future, stolen by Wily and reprogrammed.
Wouldn't it be an explanation as to what happened to Rokkuman after the Classic series? He wasn't killed(lolcataclysmtheory), but was just taken to the past by Wily.
Unless I'm missing something, it pretty much explains something.
Thoughts?
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Quint appeared in Megaman 2 for Gameboy. After the fight he warps away and isn't seen again until Megaman 5 gameboy. Though that Quint is destroyed, the large number of Quints in capsules outside the boss room may imply that this one was only a copy. Whether he's a wandering timestream, if he went back to his own time, if he was destroyed or what, we don't know.
Some fans claim he was restored by Dr. Light and sent back to the future. Since Wily's space fortress which is apparently the time machine its self, isn't destroyed, it's possible that Quint used it to return to his own time, since it isn't ever mentioned again. I doubt it's how Capcom intends to bridge the gap. In my own opinion, I think Quint's involvement in the past would give Megaman ample warning, and thus prevent his current timeline from leading to the events that cause him to become Quint.
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In my own opinion, I think Quint's involvement in the past would give Megaman ample warning, and thus prevent his current timeline from leading to the events that cause him to become Quint.
Well, it does kind of make sense, what you are saying.
Bur our blue bomber could be always taken by surprise. It is possible.
Also, take into account how time travel works. If Quint who is Rockman from the future, appeared before Rockman from the past, it would mean that Quint(while still being Rockman) also met himself from the future, at one point in the past.
As long as you do not inflict a Time Paradox, upon the timeline, it just means that the "future you" you met, also once met himself from the future.
Unless we'll go with "Each Time Travel creates an alternate universe" thing. Then probably Quint never met himself from the future.
Jesus. I think I'm overthinking this a bit... oh what the hell. Why not?
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Quint appeared in Megaman 2 for Gameboy. After the fight he warps away and isn't seen again until Megaman 5 gameboy.
Quint appeared in Rockboard as well. It's save to say he stuck around after his defeat in World2.
And if you want to count it, Rockman Shadow made a mention of Quint as someone Rock fought in the past. He himself being a robot from the future that was created in Rockman's image, he has no recollection of Quint's return to the future.
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Alternate timelines. In Mega Man, when you fiddle with time, it spins off, just like DBZ & BttF. It's not a time paradox type of thing, & it's not a time facilitated the change all along, like Terminator.
Mega Man most likely just had a time limit on him like the Robot Masters in 9.
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i had a chart of the deloreans jumps through time, but i lost it.
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Mega Man most likely just had a time limit on him like the Robot Masters in 9.
Nonsense. Robots such as Rock are exceptions to the law. It's also wholly likely the law has been turned back by the events of Rockman9.
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Even if it is his ultimate fate to be stuck in a time loop, what of the rest of the cast?
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auto's chillin out in an underwater dome-house.
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With cable
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With cable
More like Satellite linkage.
Nonsense. Robots such as Rock are exceptions to the law.
Kinda like how Police/Fire Trucks/Ambulances can ignore traffic regulations.
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Even if it is his ultimate fate to be stuck in a time loop, what of the rest of the cast?
If were talking about Blues (for example), he probably simply stopped functioning, since there was something with his core being unstable or something like that. He even refused to get help from Dr. Light... for some reason.
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I don't think Megaman will ever become Quint. That's just not how Capcom would end the hero to children everywhere.
Also, wasn't part of that story that Wily met his future self, who had retired at that point, in order to capture MM? I dunno if that preculdes future Wily's involvement, but ... yeah. But if Quint is the Megaman who faced Quint then he'd, similarily, not bother fighting MM because he'd know he'll lose and wind up as scrap (I think the Quint in MM5 was the real deal and not a clone). All this is food for thought, tho, since there's no way Capcom would let the real MM go out like that.
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Kinda like how Police/Fire Trucks/Ambulances can ignore traffic regulations.
Which we can witness with our own eyes as ignoring those regulations.
Just as much, Rock and Roll still being around when newer robots have expired, shows us that they're not bound to that law; they would have been dead by now.
If were talking about Blues (for example), he probably simply stopped functioning, since there was something with his core being unstable or something like that. He even refused to get help from Dr. Light... for some reason.
Would you let someone you don't trust tamper with your systems? Blues fears losing his individuality if Right ever went and fixed that power system instability.
Also, wasn't part of that story that Wily met his future self, who had retired at that point, in order to capture MM?
Pretty much, that notion is also why the writers for the WS game had Rockman Shadow say that in the future, Wily continued his evil ways, and that Shadow traveled back in time to destroy all the past robots to avoid that from happening. Of course, he lied, the truth is that Wily did not continue his evil ways.
But if Quint is the Megaman who faced Quint then he'd, similarily, not bother fighting MM because he'd know he'll lose and wind up as scrap
And as we all know, Quint dislikes Time Paradoxes (CD database)
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i had a chart of the deloreans jumps through time, but i lost it.
Don't forget the flaw, when 2015 Biff should have gone to the Biff Land future instead of returning it to where Marty & Doc left it, unless of course both 1985s led into the same 2015. I mean it worked for Gundam, except over a much larger timeframe.
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Eh, but I think Back to the Future had that thing where changes to the timeline progress forward at their own special rate (and probably take even longer to work when they have to follow a time traveler back and make his stuff fade out), so since Biff's return trip was instantaneous, he was able to reach 2015 before the changes did and hang out in the previous version of 2015 for a little while before stuff started changing around him. You need to believe in something like this to be able to accept Marty and Jennifer traveling forward and meeting themselves in the first place. But then by the time Marty got home, the changes had already gotten to 1985.
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To bring this discussion back to Rockman, it would seem that by accord of Megaworld, any changes done in the past, indeed take some time to hit the future. When Wily traveled back in time, changes to the timeline were noted by Light, but were slow enough to allow Rockman to travel back himself and undo Wily's.
Applying that to Quint and R-Shadow. Quint's future was gradually changed to become the future of R-Shadow, but with R-Shadow himself traveling back into the past, a new future was again born. As such, the future in which Rock becomes Quint and the future in which R-Shadow destroys the world can both be avoided.
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Wily was a great liar. He never went back in time. He never even showed us his flux capacitor
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You need to believe in something like this to be able to accept Marty and Jennifer traveling forward and meeting themselves in the first place.
Not true. It could work like Bill & Ted, except it doesn't because BttF is weird, but it could feasibly work that way.
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Could we keep this topic on MEGAMAN, and stp deviating to Back to the Future and B&T?
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Absolutely not
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The the thread requires a lock, as it apparently is no longer needed for its original purpose.
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I do not think Keno's opinion is a great way to measure relevance.
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I resent that. Time travel is totally relevant to time travel.
Is it assumed that time travel follows the same rules in both timelines, or what? If so, we can take from OSS when it comes out.
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Well, we can't be really sure of anything.
We don't even know exactly how this whole time travel [parasitic bomb] works in RM universe.
And yeah, even tough you guys were talking about TEH TIEM TRAVEL, it was also the talk about BACK TO THE KITCHEN FUTURE. So if you wanna discuss time travel, keep it ROKKUMAN related, k?
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No, we need to evaluate the workings of time travel in every other fictional universe first.
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It will only be food for thought since it is irrelevant to Megaman.
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No, we need to evaluate the workings of time travel in every other fictional universe first.
*High fives*
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You'd be better off just linking to the the tvtropez articles on time travel. That should cover pretty much every concept.
Thing is, time travel is something that's impossible in reality; it's solely a fictional device. As solely fictional, the logic behind is different for each fictional universe and might not even be internally consistent. As such, we only need to focus on the time travel intricacies of the Rockman universe. Other fictional universes are only relevant in comparing if similar mechanics are at work.
In regards to Quint, it is a future that still may come to pass. And it's a future that's highly interesting to delve into when comparing it to the X-series.
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Not so much impossible as "no idea how it could possibly work". Very few things are definitely impossible according to science, one example being the perpeetum mobile.
But I digress.
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Not so much impossible as "no idea how it could possibly work". Very few things are definitely impossible according to science, one example being the perpeetum mobile.
But I digress.
Both the perpetual motion machine and time travel are for similar reasons impossible: the laws of thermodynamics. The perpetual motion machine is impossible by the first law, time travel is impossible by the second law. To achieve either, you need to literally rewrite the physics of the universe to do the exact opposite of what they do know, and maybe duplicate yourself to replace you who has stepped outside of the influence of negative time in order to ensure the past is the very past you remember.
Very easy to do in fiction, 'impossible' in the real world.
Which is very much why I said link to tvtropez instead of link to wikipedia >.>
In Rockman, it seems quite easily done, if your name is Wily or Light. Makes you wonder why this technology never appeared in the future. Not even Chronoforce controls time, apparently that's just the perception of time for robotic lifeforms (though certain game mechanics make this very questionable.) And who knows what Crystal Snail actually does to mess up your gameplay. TimeMan and Flashman on the other hand really do seem to manipulate time.
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I think you meant the second law for both? Although I don't see why it'd prevent time travel, any more than other laws of nature. There's plenty of problems with time travel, but nothing that explicitly rules it out.
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Time travel is fictitious because time itself is imaginary. It exists only as a pretend reference point.
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Time travel is fictitious because time itself is imaginary. It exists only as a pretend reference point.
DEEP.
Seriously tough, it does not matter if it's possible IRL or not. We are focusing on a time travel in a fictional universe where blue robot fights for EVERLASTING PEACE.
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Yeah but what if a blue robot fought for everlasting peace in the real world?
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Yeah but what if a blue robot fought for everlasting peace in the real world?
But the thing is, he does not, and never will.
This is what matters.
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We'll just see about that! (BWAHAHA)
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I have a Mega Man in my garage.
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I have a Mega Man in my garage.
I, on the other hand, have Batman in my basement.
WHAT NOW?!
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Mega Man could beat Batman if he had his weakness, & Batman could beat Mega Man if he knew his.
It's pretty fair.
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Mega Man could beat Batman if he had his weakness, & Batman could beat Mega Man if he knew his.
It's pretty fair.
Don't you know? Batman with enough prep time, could take on anyone. Even Superman.
Jesus, now I'm going off topic. [tornado fang].
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batman has kryptonite in his belt, he doesn't need preperation to beat clark.
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Batman had plans on how to take down each member of the League. Ra's Al Ghul stole them from the Batcomputer. Man, Tower of Babel was one of the best story arcs ever.
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Batman had plans on how to take down each member of the League. Ra's Al Ghul stole them from the Batcomputer. Man, Tower of Babel was one of the best story arcs ever.
I've read that.... well some of it. I think I'll have to do it again.
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offtopic ffffff
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I, on the other hand, have Batman in my basement.
WHAT NOW?!
I remember when I first heard there was a Batman episode called "I've Got Batman In My Basement" featuring The Penguin, I imagined it as something like The Penguin locking Batman up in his own basement, and Batman would spend the episode finding a way out before The Penguin caused too much mischief.
I still like to imagine The Penguin singing that title to the tune of the Yoshi Egg Challenge selection tune in Super Mario Advance 1. (No, I don't have a place for you to listen to it, since apparently everybody who uploads soundtracks doesn't bother to complete the dang game.)
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What a coincidence (http://www.gamesradar.com/f/an-incomplete-history-of-time-travel-games/a-2009102017241650033)
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What a coincidence (http://www.gamesradar.com/f/an-incomplete-history-of-time-travel-games/a-2009102017241650033)
What kind of [tornado fang]ing shitty ass article is this? NO MENTION OF LEGACY OF KAIN?! [tornado fang] it.
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batman has kryptonite in his belt, he doesn't need preperation to beat clark.
I suppose that without prep time Supes would just superspeed punch him before he could get it out of the belt pouch.
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Don't you know? Batman with enough prep time, could take on anyone. Even Superman.
Not necessarily. Mega Man has the same super power. I mean, it's just a matter of whether Mega Man can get a Kryptonite weapon &/or Batman can get Thunder Beam.
I suppose that without prep time Supes would just superspeed punch him before he could get it out of the belt pouch.
Assuming it's contained in lead in the pouch.
Let's not forget that Superman can be beat to death without any Kryptonite being involved.
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Not by Batman. And even with the Bat Bot from "The Batman" it's only stalling for time. Kryptonite's the way to go. Its just a matter of getting it out before he makes sure you dont. though, given the series' that seems fairly easy. he never seems to see it coming.
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In Rockman, it seems quite easily done, if your name is Wily or Light. Makes you wonder why this technology never appeared in the future. Not even Chronoforce controls time, apparently that's just the perception of time for robotic lifeforms (though certain game mechanics make this very questionable.) And who knows what Crystal Snail actually does to mess up your gameplay. TimeMan and Flashman on the other hand really do seem to manipulate time.
Don't compare classic to X through ZX. You'll just give yourself a headache.
You have to treat the ones with the drastically different moods as separate universes for some intensive purposes, otherwise you're drawing conclusions that weren't meant to be made. X is less a sequel series than it is a reimagining.
Not by Batman. And even with the Bat Bot from "The Batman" it's only stalling for time. Kryptonite's the way to go. Its just a matter of getting it out before he makes sure you dont. though, given the series' that seems fairly easy. he never seems to see it coming.
Well it depends who Batman brings with him. He's good at persuading people, & I can think of 3 people that could beat Superman to death: Doomsday, He-Man, & possibly Goku.
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Goku and He man are different universes. plus, Goku bruises, Superman does not bruise that easily. well, that also depends on who's writing him. Some comics have him with a thick hide of a skin, and others have him getting torn up, uniform and all.
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Mega Man & Batman are separate universes too, buddy. We've been talking crossovers for a while now.
How many Senzu Beans does Goku get? Also, how much can Superman's sun based powers hold up against a Super Spirit Bomb?
He-Man was in a crossover comic with Superman, & Superman was scared shitless he might die, as Skeletor was mind-controlling him to fight He-Man.
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Whoa. true, Goku has senzu beans... and Superman, according to various interpretations, goes up to space ans gets himself a tan, absorbing sun like a plant, and then being good as new to save the day.
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How many Senzu Beans does Goku get? Also, how much can Superman's sun based powers hold up against a Super Spirit Bomb?
Wouldn't a Spirit Bomb be useless on Kal, due to the Spirit Bomb only being able to harm Evil beings?
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He'd have to know to push it away like Gohan I would imagine. But I think it's a pure of heart thing, like the Nimbus, & there's not much to say Superman is or isn't. Especially when you start bringing in his reincarnations & alternate versions.
I mean, following those rules Link can't hurt anybody but bad guys, because I'm pretty sure The Blade of Evil's Bane means the same thing.
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Wouldn't a Spirit Bomb be useless on Kal, due to the Spirit Bomb only being able to harm Evil beings?
how many times has he done evil [parasitic bomb]?
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how many times has he done evil [parasitic bomb]?
Well that depends. There's just plain douchebaggery, and then there's outright evil.
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hmmm... The Batman had the right Idea. kryptonite laced mind control spores, courtesy of Poison Ivy. That had him goin' bonkers for a good while.
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I think they stole that from Batman: Hush.
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You're not supposed to be deciding which of your favorite heroes could beat one another; you're supposed to be analyzing how they use time travel!
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I think they stole that from Batman: Hush.
They did... that fight was great.
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(http://www.viruete.com/articulos/fotos%20articulos/superman-heman/HE-MAN%20vs%20SUPERMAN.jpg)
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Goku's power levels got pretty rediculous, where he could destroy a planet if he wanted to. The Silver Age Superman was also just as rediculous, tho, where he could pretty easily juggle planets or effortlessly time travel because he could go so fast.
If Superman ever remembered he could go that fast nobody could beat him.
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I'm pretty sure Goku can move just as fast. I don't think the speed of light rules apply in DBZ.
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Point me to an episode where he broke the time barrier all on his own and I'll agree.
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If Superman ever remembered he could go that fast nobody could beat him.
Heh, it's not that he can't remember. It's that current Supes isn't as powerful as Silver Age Supes. That's what made Superboy-Prime such a powerful villain (in terms of power)
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There is no time barrier in DBZ. If he's moving so fast you can't see him in the beginning of Z, then he's got to be moving faster than the speed of light by the end of the series. Especially considering everyone can move faster than sight, & Goku's the fastest of them.
Let's not forget his dimension switching abilities.
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Heh, it's not that he can't remember. It's that current Supes isn't as powerful as Silver Age Supes. That's what made Superboy-Prime such a powerful villain (in terms of power)
Yeah, I know. Now if it was Goku VS the current Superman Goku would have a much greater advantage. Although I don't follow Superman much anymore, so how much advantage is in question. After Infinite Crisis I just threw up my hands and gave up on him.
Although Silver Age Sueprman never used his powers really right. He could fly throught he time barrier, but his villains include .... the Prankster. Yeah. I'm not sure how many of his problems couldn't have been solved by going THAT FAST and just smashing whatever villain was in his way. Hell, even the magical ones, like Satanus, wouldn't even be able to see him coming, much less react in time.
Edit: Goku can't break his time barrier but Superman's speed can. Case closed to me. It's just like Superman or Batman not beign able to channel their Ki. Just as Superman just can't channel his Ki, Goku just can't go as fast as he can. Goku's dimension switching abilities are unrelated to his speed.
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There is no time barrier in DBZ. If he's moving so fast you can't see him in the beginning of Z, then he's got to be moving faster than the speed of light by the end of the series. Especially considering everyone can move faster than sight, & Goku's the fastest of them.
The Flash can vibrate his body to remain invisible, but he's not moving faster than light when he does it! Flash Fact! 8D
Although I don't follow Superman much anymore, so how much advantage is in question. After Infinite Crisis I just threw up my hands and gave up on him.
Just a friendly tidbit from a DC fan, but pick up Superman from when Geoff Johns started writing for it. It's [tornado fang]ing awesome.
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I heard it got much better since he started up, and he brought back my favorite Bizarro - Yellow Lantern - but all the (really bad and unnessasary) retcons broke my spirit on that book, and I'm just unable to pick it up anymore. Sometimes I still leaf through it, tho.
Oddly, I have very few problems with the arbitrary retcons in Green Lantern. Yes, I am a fellow DC fan.
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DC isn't the only company with massive retarded retcons. (http://marvel.wikia.com/Spider-Man_%28Peter_Parker%29#One_More_Day_.26_Brand_New_Day)
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I heard it got much better since he started up, and he brought back my favorite Bizarro - Yellow Lantern - but all the (really bad and unnessasary) retcons broke my spirit on that book, and I'm just unable to pick it up anymore. Sometimes I still leaf through it, tho.
Oddly, I have very few problems with the arbitrary retcons in Green Lantern. Yes, I am a fellow DC fan.
That's because Green Lantern is, hands down, DC's best comic right now! Also, if you get a chance, check out the Trade of Superman: Brainiac. One of the best comic arcs I've ever read.
DC isn't the only company with massive retarded retcons. (http://marvel.wikia.com/Spider-Man_%28Peter_Parker%29#One_More_Day_.26_Brand_New_Day)
IMO, Worse Retcon EVER.
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I did read that. I appreaciated that they remembered Milton Fine.
OMD was pretty reakin' retarded. Of all the possible ways to make a large retcon, getting Peter to make a deal with the devil ... really, that's worse than Superboy punching reality. And Superboy punching reality is pretty bad all on it's own.
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What's funny is, I actually had no problem with Prime's Reality Wall Punching, just because I happen to like those Silver Age-ish absurd universal [parasitic bomb]. XD
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I don't really like 'em so much. A bit too goofy for me. But it's much better than Brand New I'll give it that. I can't really think of a plot device worse than that one!
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Cause there is no plot device worse than it. It shows that with Great Power comes NO responsibility.
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If this topic is now barely about time travel, much less about MEGAMAN related time travel, it really should be locked. Apparently there's little to discuss about Megaman time travel.
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You want us to move the topic instead? o.o
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OH LOOK WHAT I WILL DO NOW!