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People seem to think that Sigma is gone for good after X8.
« on: October 29, 2012, 05:33:31 AM »
Why is this? I thought Sigma was destroyed when X used Mother Elf to kill the Sigma Virus and end the Maverick wars. I feel like I either missed something, or Sigma will be back. If they ever get around to X9 that is.

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Re: People seem to think that Sigma is gone for good after X8.
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2012, 05:37:35 AM »
If they ever get around to X9.

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Re: People seem to think that Sigma is gone for good after X8.
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2012, 05:45:33 AM »
The reason seems to stem from the fact that since Sigma was destroyed on the moon his spirit couldn't leave the moon and go back to earth to possess another body.

When a Maverick turns Maverick because of the virus they go insane but they don't turn into Sigma, Sigma himself has to possess a body or have someone build a body for him for him to possess to continue surviving as evident in X3 and X6.  Sigma's DNA is in the New Gen Reploids and while some of them act like Sigma and have a similar signal as Sigma they aren't Sigma.

The Mother Elf was made as a Vaccine to destroy the virus because even with Sigma dead, the Virus still spread because Zero was unknowingly spreading it.  When Zero found this out he turn him self in to be researched to make a vaccine, which turned into the Mother Elf and then X used her to get rid of the virus on earth.

I'm sure Zan or someone else can correct me on certain things but I think that's the gist of it.  

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Re: People seem to think that Sigma is gone for good after X8.
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2012, 05:52:46 AM »
I was about to post that, but Rao beat me to it was I was posting.  So... yeah.

It's worth noting, however, that Sigma was also destroyed at Final Weapon in outer space, so the moon thing is probably irrelevant.

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Re: People seem to think that Sigma is gone for good after X8.
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2012, 05:55:58 AM »
Yeah that does seem like a loop hole to that too, maybe he possessed one of the dead soldiers? I mean he can't possess a new gen but he could have possessed a soldier before Final Weapon exploded.  I have no idea, it makes no sense when you think about it.

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Re: People seem to think that Sigma is gone for good after X8.
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2012, 06:14:31 AM »
I wish X's storyline was told in terms of Ghost in the Shell technology. Then all this malarkey about spirit possession and [parasitic bomb] won't sound so hokey and out of place.

Which brings me to my first question: how is Zero "spreading the virus"?

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Re: People seem to think that Sigma is gone for good after X8.
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2012, 06:17:47 AM »
You know, the Sigma Virus always seems like it's changing and mutating and such.  Who's to say that Sigma hadn't actually infected Lumine?  To the best of my knowledge, the Copy Chips of the New-Gen Reploids only blocked all known viruses.  I would think that if Sigma was mutated enough, he would somehow squirm into, say... Lumine.  And then inject himself into, say, Axl...  And lay dormant.  Watching.  Waiting...

And then you'd fight Axl in "Rockman X10" and it would all be in vain because after you beat him, Sigma wins, then Axl overpowers Sigma and makes a heroic sacrifice and never comes back ever again.  Until Model A years and years and years later.  :B

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Re: People seem to think that Sigma is gone for good after X8.
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2012, 06:34:45 AM »
Well, if the Sigma Virus got down from Final Weapon, who's to say it didn't just.. Trickle down from the Jakob Elevator? I mean, the trio are riding back down it for the ending despite the Gateway blowing the hell up, so it's not unlikely to think that either some random Maverick still up there could transfer it, if not Sigma moving through the elevator itself back down to Earth.

But hey, ominous cliffhangers ahoy.

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Re: People seem to think that Sigma is gone for good after X8.
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2012, 06:46:21 AM »
I wish X's storyline was told in terms of Ghost in the Shell technology. Then all this malarkey about spirit possession and [parasitic bomb] won't sound so hokey and out of place.

Which brings me to my first question: how is Zero "spreading the virus"?
Zero just does since he carries it.  Zero was infected with the virus but it didn't turn him Maverick, in fact I think it turn him good if I'm correct.  I think it has something to do with the fact that when Wily built him Zero was so violent that he wouldn't follow his orders hence why Wily sealed him in the first place.

Wily also created the virus and put it in Zero capsule so when Sigma and Zero duked it out the virus leaked out of the the capsule and both were infected so Sigma became a Maverick while Zero became normal for some reason.  The only way Zero can become a Maverick is if he is controlled, shown in X2, or if a stronger virus infected him and a lot of it, shown in the bad ending of X5.  

This is shown in the official works, but Zan or someone else can correct me or explain it better.

You know, the Sigma Virus always seems like it's changing and mutating and such.  Who's to say that Sigma hadn't actually infected Lumine?  To the best of my knowledge, the Copy Chips of the New-Gen Reploids only blocked all known viruses.  I would think that if Sigma was mutated enough, he would somehow squirm into, say... Lumine.  And then inject himself into, say, Axl...  And lay dormant.  Watching.  Waiting...

And then you'd fight Axl in "Rockman X10" and it would all be in vain because after you beat him, Sigma wins, then Axl overpowers Sigma and makes a heroic sacrifice and never comes back ever again.  Until Model A years and years and years later.  :B
New gens are immune to the virus but apparently Sigma's DNA made them maverick, that seems to be the case with the 8 bosses and potentially the other ones as well.  Alia said that they seemed to act like Sigma which bears some merit since all of them seem to have the exact same goal and say the exact same thing when you encounter them.  Even Lumine's plan syncs up exactly like system despite claiming that he became a Maverick of his own will and was using Sigma, he's most likely acting like that because of Sigma's DNA.  

There are indeed Mavericks that are Mavericks of their own will and/or not infected with the virus such as Vile in MHX, quite a few members of Repliforce such as Frost Walrus and Materex, Gravity Beetle, the 8 bosses in X1, Overdrive Ostrich, Flame Stag, the 8 Investigators in X6, and a few more.  They are Mavericks because their insane, have some loyalty to Sigma, very destructive, revenge in terms of Gravity Beetle, or they're just simply dicks.  They're just insane, brutes, or criminals not exactly infected.

But Lumine, despite his claims, doesn't seem like one of them to me since he acted exactly like Sigma.  

As seen in these examples and the future they don't need a virus to be Mavericks, Mavericks can just be criminals and the term can even be applied to humans because humans can always be criminals like Mavericks.

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Re: People seem to think that Sigma is gone for good after X8.
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2012, 06:58:46 AM »
Its more because he pooled ALL of his energy into his body on the moon. It was supposed to be his strongest form to date. Its basically like what happened in X5. he did not have enough Virus left to revive himself.
...When Larry the reploid accountant goes maverick of his own accord, he's certainly formidable during tax season, but he isn't going to provide X the challenge needed to make him grow as a warrior and reach his potential.

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Re: People seem to think that Sigma is gone for good after X8.
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2012, 06:59:50 AM »
Ah really, I didn't realize that.

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Re: People seem to think that Sigma is gone for good after X8.
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2012, 07:46:46 PM »
Why wouldn't he try that every time, though...?

While being on an exploding space station is pretty high on the Screwed-o-meter, it does still entail ending up back on the Earth's surface, which is more than can be said for dying on a different celestial body entirely.

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Re: People seem to think that Sigma is gone for good after X8.
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2012, 08:41:00 PM »
Zero just does since he carries it.  Zero was infected with the virus but it didn't turn him Maverick, in fact I think it turn him good if I'm correct.  I think it has something to do with the fact that when Wily built him Zero was so violent that he wouldn't follow his orders hence why Wily sealed him in the first place.

Wily also created the virus and put it in Zero capsule so when Sigma and Zero duked it out the virus leaked out of the the capsule and both were infected so Sigma became a Maverick while Zero became normal for some reason.  The only way Zero can become a Maverick is if he is controlled, shown in X2, or if a stronger virus infected him and a lot of it, shown in the bad ending of X5.  

This is shown in the official works, but Zan or someone else can correct me or explain it better.

I think it's something interesting to ponder: if the Zero Virus is really a behavioral software patch for Zero, then

1) Why is one of its functions to transmit to other Reploids? And why does it behave like a rootkit virus to everyone else?
2) Why was it stored in the capsule instead of just installed into him prior to diagnostics? Did the capsule administer the patch as well as perform a diagnostic/defrag/etc?
3) How could the capsule "leak" the virus? It would need to have some sort of light-based transmitter like radio or wireless ethernet, which would be a really curious design spec to install into your stasis & diagnostic capsule. Did he want to control it remotely or something?

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Re: People seem to think that Sigma is gone for good after X8.
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2012, 09:28:04 PM »
Did it infect reploids before Sigma beat Zero up? I recall the area near the capsule was of interest, but forget if it was because of an increase in mavericks, or just Zero alone.
If no, wasn't there something about how the virus transmitting upon defeat would ensure something of Wily's would live on even if Zero was somehow defeated? In the one strong enough to defeat him, especially?

No ideas for transmission though, always just figured it was somehow airborne, either by simply existing physically, or in Cyberspace, since if you have something that rewrites code in Cyberspace it can pretty much do whatever it wants to the physical world.

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Re: People seem to think that Sigma is gone for good after X8.
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2012, 09:37:16 PM »
The capsule was leaking Virus before Zero was discovered. According to the inti timeline, it drove local robots mad.

And it is airborne. It has an energy body.
...When Larry the reploid accountant goes maverick of his own accord, he's certainly formidable during tax season, but he isn't going to provide X the challenge needed to make him grow as a warrior and reach his potential.

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Re: People seem to think that Sigma is gone for good after X8.
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2012, 09:57:41 PM »
The capsule was leaking Virus before Zero was discovered. According to the inti timeline, it drove local robots mad.

And it is airborne. It has an energy body is a wireless transmission of machine code instruction packets.

I'm sorry.

It's either that or it is magic/evil spirits.

Seriously, I can accept that it's the same "Dark Energy" from Mega Man 8. It at least comes from a time and place where this sort of thing doesn't matter much to me. Anything goes in Classic. Even if it doesn't make any sense. Especially if space is involved.

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Re: People seem to think that Sigma is gone for good after X8.
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2012, 03:53:34 AM »
Sigma died in every game. Nobody buys that [parasitic bomb] ever. I certainly don't buy him being dead in X8. And I guarantee you that Redips had a conversation about a super body or some [parasitic bomb] with Sigma, but then didn't do it for whatever reason.

You know, the Sigma Virus always seems like it's changing and mutating and such.  Who's to say that Sigma hadn't actually infected Lumine?  To the best of my knowledge, the Copy Chips of the New-Gen Reploids only blocked all known viruses.  I would think that if Sigma was mutated enough, he would somehow squirm into, say... Lumine.  And then inject himself into, say, Axl...  And lay dormant.  Watching.  Waiting...

And then you'd fight Axl in "Rockman X10" and it would all be in vain because after you beat him, Sigma wins, then Axl overpowers Sigma and makes a heroic sacrifice and never comes back ever again.  Until Model A years and years and years later.  :B
Axl dies on the field of battle like a normal dipshit robot in the wars or whatever Zero games talk about.

Seriously, I can accept that it's the same "Dark Energy" from Mega Man 8. It at least comes from a time and place where this sort of thing doesn't matter much to me. Anything goes in Classic. Even if it doesn't make any sense. Especially if space is involved.
Are we taking X as a re-imagining here or a sequel? I really wonder sometimes.

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Re: People seem to think that Sigma is gone for good after X8.
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2012, 05:18:46 AM »
because he wasn't the final boss

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Re: People seem to think that Sigma is gone for good after X8.
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2012, 05:30:16 AM »
Are we taking X as a re-imagining here or a sequel? I really wonder sometimes.

Not we. Just me. Classic is whee-fun happy fantastic time (until 7), so AFAIC, anything goes. X takes itself more seriously, so I expect it to make a better effort with its plot and (plausible) technobabble.

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Re: People seem to think that Sigma is gone for good after X8.
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2012, 05:37:06 AM »
I also take X as a re-imagining over a part of the same constant timeline.

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Re: People seem to think that Sigma is gone for good after X8.
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2012, 05:41:59 AM »
I think we're on the same page, in that I would also like to reimagine part of the same timeline involving X. Actually, most of it.

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Re: People seem to think that Sigma is gone for good after X8.
« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2012, 06:25:00 AM »
lol

megaman is dead bro

Cool story, bro.

Well, if the Sigma Virus got down from Final Weapon, who's to say it didn't just.. Trickle down from the Jakob Elevator? I mean, the trio are riding back down it for the ending despite the Gateway blowing the hell up, so it's not unlikely to think that either some random Maverick still up there could transfer it, if not Sigma moving through the elevator itself back down to Earth.

But hey, ominous cliffhangers ahoy.

This. If you watch the end credits of X4 closely, you can actually see a small meteor like object jettison from the final weapon to earth. It happens right before the epilogue dialog starts. And its not part of the background thats recycling either, as it only happens once. I don't think for one second that Sigma is dead for good yet. The subplot of the Zero series tells us that he doesn't really die until the mother elf shows up and eradicates his ass for good. Which will probably be the plot for X9, if there ever is one.


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I also hope we see some crazy Axl in X9, as I love crazies in my games, Cloud Strife hath ruined me. Also, is it just me that thinks that Axl was created by Sigma and given to Red? Maybe that's why Red never discussed where he came from, as for at least the first half of X7 Red was working with Sigma. It would also explain his obsession with X in general. Maybe Axl was brainwashed to get close to X and then at a predetermined date obtain X and Zero's DNA for Sigma. But something went wrong and Axl forgot his original mission. This could very well be what Lumine did to Axl, gave him back his mission, so to speak.

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Re: People seem to think that Sigma is gone for good after X8.
« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2012, 06:26:53 AM »
Cool story, bro.

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Re: People seem to think that Sigma is gone for good after X8.
« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2012, 12:02:26 PM »
I'm sorry.

It's either that or it is magic/evil spirits.

Seriously, I can accept that it's the same "Dark Energy" from Mega Man 8. It at least comes from a time and place where this sort of thing doesn't matter much to me. Anything goes in Classic. Even if it doesn't make any sense. Especially if space is involved.
I assume you don't believe in radiation either?

Also, thing is, it IS related to the Evil Energy. That's where Wily got the idea for an airborne computer virus in the first place, and he used the Evil Energy and studied it enough to know how it works, and therefore made his own, and test drove it with the Roboenza he spread from his space tower that nobody saw him build.

Then, at some point, he built Zero, sealed him away, and went back to it, refined it, improved it, and sealed it in Zero's capsule. it leaked from there and yadda yadda we know the drill.

It IS an airborne energy. if you can accept the Evil/Alien energy from 8, you have to accept the Sigma Virus as energy in the X series, since they are related. And I mean come on, it a [tornado fang]ing science fiction videogame series. Are you REALLY going to say, "NOPE, THIS CAN NOT EXIST IN A FANTASY SCI-FI SERIES ABOUT RIDICULOUSLY HUMANLIKE ROBOTS WITH ROBOT DNA AND OTHER IMPROBABLE THINGS DO."

Especially when it follows the timeline from Classic, which you say you are fine with "anything goes" rules.

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I also hope we see some crazy Axl in X9,
I will never understand this fascination with Maverick Axl people have. It's REALLY annoying.

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is it just me that thinks that Axl was created by Sigma and given to Red?
Most people think He's Gate's, or maybe to a lesser extent, Cossack's.

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as for at least the first half of X7 Red was working with Sigma.
he was working with Sigma because apparently Red is an idiot, has not watched the news since ever, or both, and did not know who Sigma Was. (hint: It's Sigma)

...When Larry the reploid accountant goes maverick of his own accord, he's certainly formidable during tax season, but he isn't going to provide X the challenge needed to make him grow as a warrior and reach his potential.

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Re: People seem to think that Sigma is gone for good after X8.
« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2012, 08:50:39 PM »

I will never understand this fascination with Maverick Axl people have. It's REALLY annoying.


I know, but I don't think I was clear. I don't want Axl to die, or become evil. Just a little crazy, as in a little bent. He's already trigger happy as hell; Why not put a little crazy mixed in with it? Maybe borderline stable, Axl, not maverick. I don't want him to be the final boss, or turn into Lumine, or any of that. I just think it would be interesting to watch him resist the urge to kill X and Zero for their DNA. Maybe talk to himself occasionally, you know not quite maverick but still makes you worried kinda crazy.



Most people think He's Gate's, or maybe to a lesser extent, Cossack's.
 
he was working with Sigma because apparently Red is an idiot, has not watched the news since ever, or both, and did not know who Sigma Was. (hint: It's Sigma)



Who knows who really created Axl? It very well could have been Gate. It would actually make more sense, because Axl is not obsessed with Zero, and Gate already had Zero's DNA. So really if you think about it, he would only want X's. I guess being Gate's creation makes to most sense of all theories.

And yes, Red was an idiot. His only redeeming quality was that he tried to go against Sigma when he figured out what Sigma really wanted. Until Sigma took control of Red's team, then he was under Sigma's thumb for good.