Out of all the villains...

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Which of these was the most evil villain?

Dr. Weil
Dr. Wily
Sigma
Copy X
Albert
Omega
Serpent
Other (Explain, please.)

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Reply #50 on: October 06, 2009, 10:02:44 PM
That's true. But I don't think he lasered Neo Arcadia for any non-selfish reasons...



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Reply #51 on: October 06, 2009, 10:17:28 PM
That's true. But I don't think he lasered Neo Arcadia for any non-selfish reasons...
That was Craft....Weil just built said laser :P


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Reply #52 on: October 06, 2009, 10:36:27 PM
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Reply #53 on: October 06, 2009, 11:42:06 PM
I thought craft fired it on accident then zero got all mad came up there and stuck his zero knuckle up his.....

Anyways I think dr.weil is the most evil. HE PRACATIVALLY USED EVERYONE FOR 100 YEARS OR SOMETHING.



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Reply #54 on: October 07, 2009, 08:32:58 PM
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Took him 3 games to show up and that's after adding in all the mother elf [parasitic bomb].
And yet the ENTIRETY of the Zero series right from 1, is because of his actions.

without Weil, there would be no Zero series.
because, there would be no elf wars, therefore Zero would still have his own body, would never have proposed to seal himself away forever, and X would never have had to seal himself away to seal dark elf either. which means, Zero 1 would never have happened, and neither would 2, because no Dark elf and no Elpis thirsting for it, meaning X's body would never have gotten destroyed, because he never sealed himself either,

and Z3 and 4 would be non existant because of no Weil or Omega.

The Elf wars was the worst war in history, worse than the maverick wars even.

Sigma might have had his Virus to corrupt reploids, but Weil had Baby elves that helped him outright control them like puppets on a string.
plus he nearly wiped out the world. 60% 90%.

hi actions last from the very beginning o the Elf wars, aaall the way to ZX Advent.(so far)

Tell me, how many centuries is that? Certainly a hell of a lot more than Sigma.
and, the kicker, he's not some mad reploid with a "humans are inferior" mindset, hes a human. Which makes it all the more worse.

Though technically, Light beats Weil by a long shot. 8D

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Very likely killed his creator
Never happened.

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Manipulated countless innocent reploids and watched many of them die (Vile,)
Lol, Vile? innocent?

...When Larry the reploid accountant goes maverick of his own accord, he's certainly formidable during tax season, but he isn't going to provide X the challenge needed to make him grow as a warrior and reach his potential.


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Reply #55 on: October 08, 2009, 08:04:51 PM
And yet the ENTIRETY of the Zero series right from 1, is because of his actions.

without Weil, there would be no Zero series.
Ridiculous. Just because retcons made him the cause of things doesn't mean the series couldn't have existed independently from Weil.



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Reply #56 on: October 08, 2009, 08:54:38 PM
It would have been a very different Zero series.
Not the one we know, thats for sure.

Also, its not a retcon. The moment they turned X into Copy X, they left open the question of what happened to X, and why was he the way he was. Z2 answered why... but left an even bigger why. Z3, showed the reason X had to seal Dark Elf away in the first place.

It is expanding the canon, not retconning.

plus like I said, without weil, there would be no 2nd Zero sealing, no Elf Wars, and thus, no Copy-X, X would still be alive and well, and Neo Arcadia quite possibly WOULD be a paradise for both Humans AND Reploids.
without that Zero series, there would be no ZX series either. There would be no Model-W, and no Ciel 6, since they never would have died to begin with. and heck, without ZX, even Legends might not exist. Who knows.

...When Larry the reploid accountant goes maverick of his own accord, he's certainly formidable during tax season, but he isn't going to provide X the challenge needed to make him grow as a warrior and reach his potential.


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Reply #57 on: October 09, 2009, 07:02:57 PM
As a result of Dr. Vile's ambitions, the Mother Elf was stolen and cursed to become the Dark Elf, the power that nearly destroyed the world. Using the Dark Elf and copies of the Dark Elf to control Repliroids and make these Repliroids fight amongst each other until none were left standing, the conflict known as the Elf Wars became the worst war in history. 60% of all humans, 90% of all Repliroids were wiped out. The conflict only heightened upon the completion of the messiah of his new world; Omega.

Using Dark Elf and Omega, he completed the operation to control all Repliroids. And using the satellite cannon known as Ragnarok he threatened to destroy the last remaining nature in the world, succeeded in killing the legendary hero Zero and remained a malicious force for centuries to come.

Tell me, how does he not exceed everything Sigma had done?
There would be no Dark Elf were it not for Sigma's work.  His legacy, too, spreads across the centuries, as the Sigma Virus remained in operation well into the back story of the Zero series.  I will admit that 60% human and 90% reploid worldwide casualties is a higher body count than any single event Sigma is responsible for.  But then again, how many times has Weil conceived to physically destroy the entire planet?  Humans, reploids, nature; everything?

And yet the ENTIRETY of the Zero series right from 1, is because of his actions.

without Weil, there would be no Zero series.
No Sigma, no Sigma Virus.  No Sigma Virus, no Maverick Wars, no Mother Elf.  No Mother Elf, no Dark Elf, no Omega.

On a completely unrelated and very ironic note, Sigma is probably responsible for saving mankind.  Remember that crazy, unstoppable reploid named Zero?  Sigma was pretty much the only one at that time with the power to stop him.  Without Sigma, Zero probably would have fulfilled that supposed title as a god of destruction.  Hmm, maybe that should count against his reputation as an extra nasty villain.

Never happened.
Sure, if we assume that the explosion that consumed Cain's domicile only raised the interior temperature to a comfy 74 degrees F.  At the very least, Sigma consciously attempted to kill his creator.



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Reply #58 on: October 09, 2009, 08:29:40 PM
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There would be no Dark Elf were it not for Sigma's work. 

I do not consider such arguments to be valid. This also includes Flame's Z1 and Z2 argument for Dr. Vile. There is ALWAYS a preceding force of evil that lead us to the present day, that does not make the predecessor a greater evil. We could also trace back the flow of time to Dr. Wily and to the dawn of history itself. It'd be pointless to talk about that. Consider them in what they actively did, which for Dr. Vile, does include his continuous evil presence as Model V. But for Sigma, his Sigma Virus does not; the Repliroid known as Sigma had already died by that time.

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But then again, how many times has Weil conceived to physically destroy the entire planet?  Humans, reploids, nature; everything?

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Reply #59 on: October 09, 2009, 08:52:39 PM
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Sure, if we assume that the explosion that consumed Cain's domicile only raised the interior temperature to a comfy 74 degrees F.  At the very least, Sigma consciously attempted to kill his creator.
Do we have to bring up the issue on the Missiles explosion and the craters again?

Plus the fact that it would be a massive retcon?

...When Larry the reploid accountant goes maverick of his own accord, he's certainly formidable during tax season, but he isn't going to provide X the challenge needed to make him grow as a warrior and reach his potential.


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Reply #60 on: October 10, 2009, 07:43:26 PM
Flash =/= destruction radius, which as Flame said is very plainly demonstrated in TDoS when you see the craters afterwards.

Besides, you think pulling an old guy out of a disaster zone is unheard of in fictional stories?

And it's not as if Sigma was the only thing to ever attempt to kill its creator, either.  See Prometheus.  And Bass probably would have by now except that he's not truly evil.  Rebelling against your maker is not unusual or exceptional in any way.

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Reply #61 on: October 10, 2009, 10:17:47 PM

...When Larry the reploid accountant goes maverick of his own accord, he's certainly formidable during tax season, but he isn't going to provide X the challenge needed to make him grow as a warrior and reach his potential.


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Reply #62 on: October 11, 2009, 05:12:11 AM
Who gives a [parasitic bomb] anyway. It's inconsequential, as MHX2 & 3 are never coming.



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Reply #63 on: October 11, 2009, 01:38:32 PM
Who gives a [parasitic bomb] anyway. It's inconsequential, as MHX2 & 3 are never coming.

It's important exactly because there's no MHX2 coming out. Maverick Hunter X's story therefore leads into the events of X2. Besides, even if MHX2 or MHX3 were released, there are many mentions of Cain that can not be ruled out by overwriting mainstream games.

As Cain's fate in MHX is uncertain, the simplest solution is to say he didn't die so that there is no retcon.





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Reply #64 on: October 11, 2009, 03:01:12 PM
Why did they make it look like he died anyway?



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Reply #65 on: October 11, 2009, 03:25:13 PM
Who say they did? They just made Sigma blow [parasitic bomb] up :P


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Reply #66 on: October 11, 2009, 11:43:30 PM
It's important exactly because there's no MHX2 coming out. Maverick Hunter X's story therefore leads into the events of X2. Besides, even if MHX2 or MHX3 were released, there are many mentions of Cain that can not be ruled out by overwriting mainstream games.

As Cain's fate in MHX is uncertain, the simplest solution is to say he didn't die so that there is no retcon.
Uh, MHX was meant to lead into MHX2, thus it leads into it.



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Reply #67 on: October 11, 2009, 11:48:50 PM
Uh, MHX was meant to lead into MHX2, thus it leads into it.

Problem is, MHX2 most likely isn't getting made, so there's nothing for MHX to lead into except X2--which it can't, if Cain's dead.



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Reply #68 on: October 12, 2009, 08:15:31 AM
But he isn't. It would be a massive retcon, and would be referenced by X in game. plus, yeah, MHX was supposed to ead into MHX2, but theyre basically just remakes with expanded story. nothing contradictory is really added.

...When Larry the reploid accountant goes maverick of his own accord, he's certainly formidable during tax season, but he isn't going to provide X the challenge needed to make him grow as a warrior and reach his potential.


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Reply #69 on: October 12, 2009, 05:20:20 PM
Or completely fresh reimaginings. Who knows where the story would've gone.



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Reply #70 on: October 12, 2009, 07:23:35 PM
Or completely fresh reimaginings. Who knows where the story would've gone.

Except, it's not. MHX is at its core nothing but X1 with its sourcebook information added into the game.



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Reply #71 on: October 12, 2009, 07:45:25 PM
Thats pretty much what they advertised it as well. a remake. Not meant to overwrite canon, or create paradoxes. just to add additional information that fits with what was already there, and expands the backstory and motivations behind the events.
the Cain-missile thing was for dramatic effect. I dont think theyd go to the trouble of introducing him in MHX, if they were going to kill him off, especially if it wont be mentioned in the game itself. They made us think he was a frail old man, who was strating to feel he would not live much longer, and then drop a missile on his head, and X says nothing about it in the game?

Nope. He's very much alive. Plus, Humans cant die onscreen in the Megaman universe. Its the unwritten rule.

...When Larry the reploid accountant goes maverick of his own accord, he's certainly formidable during tax season, but he isn't going to provide X the challenge needed to make him grow as a warrior and reach his potential.


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Reply #72 on: October 12, 2009, 07:55:29 PM
Nope. He's very much alive. Plus, Humans cant die onscreen in the Megaman universe. Its the unwritten rule.
Only if they are riding Vehicles or are inside buildings that go BOOOM!


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Reply #73 on: October 12, 2009, 09:41:22 PM
SAR is the only exception.
and possibly Neo Arcadia. But they  technically didnt show them onscreen. they just showed Ragnarok firing. MHX outright showed Cain's building engulfed in a fireball.

...When Larry the reploid accountant goes maverick of his own accord, he's certainly formidable during tax season, but he isn't going to provide X the challenge needed to make him grow as a warrior and reach his potential.


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Reply #74 on: October 12, 2009, 10:01:23 PM
Now I remember why I ignore these threads