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About Omega
« on: June 15, 2009, 03:56:03 AM »
I have several questions regarding Omega.

1st: How was Weil able to control Omega if he was the so called "Original Zero?"  The best Capcom came up with was "Omega's possessing Zero's original body", which, unless Omega is Sigma, makes no sense.

2nd: Why didn't Omega mutate like Elpizo when he absorbed the Dark Elf?

3rd: Did Weil obtain Zero's original body before or after the Elf Wars?
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Re: About Omega
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2009, 04:15:24 AM »
1. He built omega's main processor and just put it in zero's body while it was being analyzed by scientist to understand the sigma virus and create an anti-virus, and zero's consciousness was left without a body.

2. Because he was original designed to combine with the Dark Elf after Dr. Weil turned it evil. Although he could by releasing it's full power.

3. Before

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Re: About Omega
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2009, 04:37:03 AM »
1. How does it not make sense? Weil used Zero's empty body and gave it a new consciousness. A new brain. Remember, Zero and his mind were being kept separate during research. Weil asked the Government if he could use Zero's body to make a super reploid that could help in the war. The Government said yes, and Weil Created Omega with Zero's dormant body. He then built an exterior armor around it to draw out the fullest possible of its power, at the cost of mobility. Unfortunately, Weil had his own agenda, and stole Mother elf, activating the dormant traces of Sigma Virus she was made from, twisting her and effectively "cursing" her. He then used used Omega and Dark Elf against all who opposed him,  and used baby clones of Dark Elf, to control reploids worldwide, starting the Elf wars, and causing incredible casualties.

He's Called the original Zero as a mention of his original Zero body, and as psychological warfare against Zero. Trying to make Zero think he is a copy.


2. Because, like Night said, Omega is specifically designed to interact with Dark Elf, as well as the Fact that Zero's body can handle Dark Elf without Mutating. Dark Elf was made from study on Zero's body, and from Virus, therefore they are actually linked in a way. that is the reason that even though Dark elf is mentally unstable, she seems to recognize Zero, and hold some form of allegiance to him.


3. Before. Weil Made Omega, and then stole Mother elf, starting the war.
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Re: About Omega
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2009, 02:24:29 PM »
 BTW, What does the fact that Omega can "grow" hair out of nothing? (you know, just before that battle)

 Does the hair actually mean anything? Or was it just fancy animation?

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Re: About Omega
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2009, 04:29:06 PM »
2nd: Why didn't Omega mutate like Elpizo when he absorbed the Dark Elf?

Pardon?




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Re: About Omega
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2009, 04:35:07 PM »
1. As much as Vile despised Repliroids, he needed one to make his visions come true. Zero had the potential, but his conciousness was in the way. During research, Zero's conciousness was separated from the main body (presumably his Brain Chip like in X2, or actual Cyber Soul). When Vile claimed Zero's body for himself after the Irregular War was over, he made a new conciousness that was meant to obey his every word, and that conciousness was Omega. It's interesting to note though the Omega does not seem to be the smartest guy around while in his armored form, barely able to form a whole sentence, yet he can talk just fine in his released form, so I guess bursting all that armor gave him access to more mental capacities in order to handle such a powerful body.

2. Designed to function with the Darkelf to take control over every Repliroid on the planet. The difference is that Elpis simply absorbed the Darkelf and let her take control of him (somewhat). When he released the full power of the Darkelf, he completely mutated his body, while prior to that, his body already had been altered via Cyberspace manipulation. Omega on the other hand kept the Darkelf captive. He controlled her. And like Elpis, he underwent a transformation upon sucking her in, with his body changing color and later mutating when releasing every ounce of power she had.

3. From what it sounds like in the book, Omega was created DURING Elf War. Certainly Vile had been working on him the entire time but Omega himself only started appearing on the battlefields of Earth until the last act of it, presumable even after Zero got a copy body and stole the Darkelf from Vile, leaving him with nothing but Omega and mindless Mechaniroids like the Golems.

4. Fancy animation I guess. Hair would probably be in the way when the main body was interacting with the armor.



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Re: About Omega
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2009, 06:26:59 PM »
BTW, What does the fact that Omega can "grow" hair out of nothing? (you know, just before that battle)

 Does the hair actually mean anything? Or was it just fancy animation?
Might just be folded in. But Omega already demonstrated amazing regenerative capabilities in the first form, so it might also be part of Weils upgrades.

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Re: About Omega
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2009, 01:54:48 AM »
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During research, Zero's conciousness was separated from the main body
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Remember, Zero and his mind were being kept separate during research.

Conjecture. >.> Who knows why his mind is not in the body, for all we know Dr. Vile obtained the body with the mind included, but saw no reason to use it. There's a lot ways to go about it, all we know is how it started and how it ended up.

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Weil asked the Government if he could use Zero's body to make a super reploid that could help in the war. The Government said yes, and Weil Created Omega with Zero's dormant body.

What we know is that Omega was built as a weapon to end the wars and that he instead dealt a heavy blow to both humans and Repliroids because Vile instead built Omega to be the messiah of his new world. (And Dr. Vile orchestrated the entirety of Elf Wars in the first place.) The exact details on that are sketchy, but yeah, that about sums up the idea nicely.

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3. Before. Weil Made Omega, and then stole Mother elf, starting the war.

As Saber said, Omega appeared during the closing of the war alongside Neo Arcadia's great mechaniroids 'Golem'. He was under construction during quite some time it would seem. Adding to that is the factual statement that Omega never attained 'perfection' in Elf Wars, instead appearing as his regular self with the Dark Elf presumed to be in enemy hands. (The Repliroids controlled by the altered Mother Elf ended the war.)

We don't know if Zero stole the Dark Elf, though. Who knows what actually took place for Zero to 'boss Mother around'.... Another one of those cases where we know the start and end but not the inbetween.

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Might just be folded in. But Omega already demonstrated amazing regenerative capabilities in the first form, so it might also be part of Weils upgrades.

Both the concept art, cutscene art and sprites show that the hair simply isn't there. The animation to regenerate it obviously exists because Zero wouldn't be Zero without hair.

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Re: About Omega
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2009, 02:12:39 PM »
Well I meant folded in as in inside him somehow. Did we see concept art from behind (without hair)?

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Re: About Omega
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2009, 09:02:54 PM »
Who knows why his mind is not in the body, for all we know Dr. Vile obtained the body with the mind included, but saw no reason to use it. There's a lot ways to go about it, all we know is how it started and how it ended up.

We know, because official sources state that zero's consciousness was temporally taken out so his body could be studied in the first place.

What we know is that Omega was built as a weapon to end the wars and that he instead dealt a heavy blow to both humans and Repliroids because Vile instead built Omega to be the messiah of his new world.

What kind of savior kills off over have the population of humans? You're using a mere taunt as plot evidence.

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Re: About Omega
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2009, 09:05:29 PM »
What kind of savior kills off over have the population of humans? You're using a mere taunt as plot evidence.

Why don't you ask... every cliche villain ever?

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Re: About Omega
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2009, 09:13:08 PM »
Acid's right. I mean, isn't it common sense for a villain to make a world fit for them, they have to "purge the carbons" first?

You know, they want to like, reset the world and things like that... >w<
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Re: About Omega
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2009, 09:16:39 PM »
No, Weil just wanted to rule the world and put everyone under him, it doesn't go any deeper than that.

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Re: About Omega
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2009, 09:23:23 PM »
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We know, because official sources state that zero's consciousness was temporally taken out so his body could be studied in the first place.

That statement doesn't exist anywhere. They say he was researched and that his heart was moved to a new body, never in relation to each other. These are the sources talking of Zero's admittance into the research institute:

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Underground Laboratory (Forgotten Laboratory)
ZERO 1
The facility built to house Zero, who was discovered to be the source of the Sigma Virus outbreak. For half a century, Zero was used in many Sigma Virus-related experiments. This laboratory is also where Ciel's ancestors studied Cyber-elves, and where Weil created Omega. But because all records of its existence were wiped from history by Neo Arcadia, only a select few still know where it is.


Sigma Virus
Unfortunately, by tirelessly fulfilling his destiny as a Maverick Hunter, Zero inadvertently spread the virus throughout the world.  Eventually, as the host of the virus, Zero was taken to a research facility for study.

The Forgotten Laboratory
The laboratory that Zero was taken to was equipped with the latest technology available at the time, and the researchers there were doing a great deal of research on Reploids and DNA.  In the laboratory, two scientists worked tirelessly to bring an end to the Maverick Wars.  One of the scientists was Dr. Weil, who believed that the best way to end the fighting was to eliminate all of the humans and Reploids that were, in his eyes, silly enough to fight over matters he found to be trivial - and to then build a utopia for the survivors of the wars on their corpses.  The other scientist was a distant female ancestor of Ciel's.  By using properties and samples of the Sigma Virus, she created Mother Elf, who had the ability to restore a Maverick to normalcy - indeed, she was able to reverse the effects of the very virus that was used to create her.  Unfortunately, Mother Elf was overwhelmed by the effects of the Sigma Virus used to make her, which caused her to become Dark Elf and set Elf Wars into motion.


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What kind of savior kills off over have the population of humans? You're using a mere taunt as plot evidence.

Vile's savior would kill everyone, that's because Vile is Vile. TELOS and MMOCW both speak of Omega as the messiah of Vile's new world and MMZOCW mentions Omega being created to end the war only to end up dealing a devastating blow to humanity.

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Suzuki (Character Designer): Up till now, we've been answering the questions, but now we have one for the sound team. What you tell us about the speech of Omega's third form?
Yamada (Sound Director): It's "Ware wa messhia nari!" ["I am the messiah!"] It certainly sounds like that "I am God" kind of speech, something a terrorist or anarchist or someone like that would say, doesn't it? I think that's the kind of impression we we're trying to give. It's not the speech by itself alone that holds significance, however, if you could express Omega's brutality and ferocity and everything into one line, that's what it would be, right! By the way, what's the creation story behind the personality of Omega form three?
Yabe (Background Designer): Omega form 3's personality program (cyber-elf), was programmed by Vile to be his messiah. Though, as to Omega form 3's...Original Zero's personality being completely Vile-made, I couldn't say that.
Ito (Series Director): I can't deny the possibility that the original personality that "a certain doctor who tried to take over the world innumerable times" created for Zero was remaining in the body, and that side of the personality having won over.
Yabe: I guess we're entrusting everyone to use their imagination (he laughs).



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Dr. Weil had always had his eyes on Zero's body, which had a natural immunity to the Sigma Virus.  He knew that a Reploid with no risk of going Maverick would make the perfect weapon to bring an end to the war.  To that end, he designed Omega and created him from Zero's body.  As Weil expected, the damage wreaked by Omega was enormous - but it only added to the costs of the war, instead of bringing and end to it. Fortunately, he was eventually defeated by X, the hero of the Maverick Wars, and the Reploid now housing Zero's soul.  Omega was subsequently exiled to space.  Dr. Weil, who was deemed the one responsible for starting the Elf Wars, was sentenced to eternal regeneration, a punishment worse than death.

RZOCW:
Dr. Vile was the one who had his eye on the inmate Zero's body at the research facility.  Vile would use the body of the one who had no worry of infection, Zero to create a weapon of destruction to end the wars, and intended for him to fight on the front lines in the Irregular Wars
However, Omega would deliver a devastating blow to humans and Repliroid
s, and as a result of that Omega would be destroyed and exiled to space by Zero, whose heart was moved to a different body, and the hero of the Irregular Wars, X.
And then, Vile who was also held responsible for the damage in the war, was given a punishment far heavier than the



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Re: About Omega
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2009, 09:01:51 PM »
Pardon?





Those were forms created from Omega's battle body, not the Zero body.  I'm talking about why the Original Zero body didn't mutate too.

4.  What happened to the Zero virus inside Omega?  Was it ever completely purged?
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Re: About Omega
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2009, 03:07:22 PM »
Eliminated along with Sigma virus?

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Re: About Omega
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2009, 03:25:39 PM »
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4.  What happened to the Zero virus inside Omega?

What Zero Virus in Zero? The Virus that Zero was spreading was the Sigma Virus.

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Re: About Omega
« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2009, 12:32:26 AM »
What Zero Virus in Zero? The Virus that Zero was spreading was the Sigma Virus.

Wasn't the original program that Sigma was infected with the Zero Virus?  I always thought that was the first virus, and it was recreated in Mega Man X5.
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Re: About Omega
« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2009, 12:52:14 AM »
It wasn't the Zero Virus. That was the Virus created and used on Zero in X5. The original Virus was the one that spread to Sigma, which in turn became the Sigma Virus.

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Re: About Omega
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Re: About Omega
« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2009, 02:37:15 AM »
It wasn't the Zero Virus. That was the Virus created and used on Zero in X5. The original Virus was the one that spread to Sigma, which in turn became the Sigma Virus.
this. The virus Zero originally had has no name. It is retroactively called Sigma virus because it is the virus that merged with sigma
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Re: About Omega
« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2009, 11:23:54 AM »
Hm, Zan, didn't you say that the virus changed when it infected Sigma? Shouldn't it have a different name before that?

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Re: About Omega
« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2009, 01:21:41 PM »
Wily Virus

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Re: About Omega
« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2009, 02:01:10 PM »
Something like that.

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Re: About Omega
« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2009, 10:02:32 PM »
Hm, Zan, didn't you say that the virus changed when it infected Sigma? Shouldn't it have a different name before that?

It changed in that it gained aspects of Sigma because Sigma has become part of it. But the Virus is still remarkably similar to Zero's DNA.

Also, what 'should' is not necessarily the same as what 'is'.