Cryptozoology in the Zero series...

Yllisos Zanon · 22640

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Yllisos Zanon

  • The Laberynth Librarian
  • Resistance Member
  • *
    • Posts: 207
    • Gender: Male
  • Individuality, so F*#K popularity
    • View Profile
on: November 09, 2008, 07:39:55 AM
Just to name a few to start this.

Pheonik Magnion= Pheonix: an ancient mystical bird born from ashes, dies by fire.  Is said to be a symbol of resurrection.

Tretesta Kelverian= Cerberus: the three headed hound that gaurds the gates of Hades. 

I know there is quite the list in this series alone, once I get a complete listing, I'll post it.

Anyone can help with this.

They're coming to take me away
hee hee hoo hoo haw haw

http://browse.deviantart.com/?q=veasman#


Offline RMX

  • SA-Class Hunter
  • *
    • Posts: 864
    • View Profile
Reply #1 on: November 09, 2008, 01:51:17 PM
Fefnir: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fafnir
Harpuia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harpy
Leviathan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan
Phantom: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost
Aztec Falcon: I don't remember if there even was a consensus about this one, and I suck at Mesoamerican myths
Golem: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golem
Maha Ganeshariff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganesha
Orochi Arm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orochi
Anubis Necromancess the Third: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anubis
Blizzack Staggroff: possibly no mythological reference
Hanumachine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanuman
Asura Basura: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asura
Herculious Anchortus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules_Beetle
Hyleg Ourobockle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros
Poler Kamrous: there used to be something about some Eskimo deity, but I really have no idea.
Phoenix Magnion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_(mythology)
Panter Fauclaws: possibly no mythological reference
Burble Hekelot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heqet
Kuwagust Anchus: possibly no mythological reference
Flazing Flizard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salamander_(legendary_creature)
Childree Inarabitta: no idea on this one
Helbat Schilt: possibly none
Deathdanz Mantisk: none other than the relation to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grim_reaper
Cubit Foxtar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyuubi_fox
Glacier le Cactank: possibly none
Volteel Biblio: possibly none
Trestesta Kelverian: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerberus
Nobile Mandrago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandragora
Pegasolta Eclair: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus
Heat Gemblem: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Tortoise
Fenri Lundaege: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenrir
Popla Cocapetri: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockatrice <-- lol censhorship
Tech Kraken: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraken
Mino Magnaxe/Magnus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minotaur
Sol Titanion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titania


That's all I can remember right now



Offline Zan

  • Master's Unit
  • *
    • Posts: 2040
    • Gender: Male
  • Unpleasable Unhelpful Utopian Totalitarian
    • View Profile
Reply #2 on: November 09, 2008, 02:12:12 PM
... You mention a demi-god like Hercules and an entity such as the Grim-Reaper yet you don't consider Vampires and their relation to other bloodsucking creatures such as the Vampire Bat to be worth mentioning?

Aside from that, ALL Mythos Repliroids have some mythological and folkloric roots. Eels, Stags, Stag Beetles, Rabbits, Panther, Falcon. All are creatures that have appeared in stories with possibly special powers and/or are worshiped in some manner. Even a cactus is mythological in some parts of this world.



Offline RMX

  • SA-Class Hunter
  • *
    • Posts: 864
    • View Profile
Reply #3 on: November 09, 2008, 03:30:32 PM
... You mention a demi-god like Hercules and an entity such as the Grim-Reaper yet you don't consider Vampires and their relation to other bloodsucking creatures such as the Vampire Bat to be worth mentioning?

Honestly I'm not a fan of the Reaper-Mantisk thing, but I couldn't find much pointing towards Schilt's vampirism other than being a bat, and having that aristocrat personality of his and his obsession with manners. I chose to stay on the safe side.

Aside from that, ALL Mythos Repliroids have some mythological and folkloric roots.

Sorry. I missed the conclusion of the Mythos vs. Mutos discussions, and I ignore where that rules comes from.

Eels, Stags, Stag Beetles, Rabbits, Panther, Falcon. All are creatures that have appeared in stories with possibly special powers and/or are worshiped in some manner. Even a cactus is mythological in some parts of this world.

I dug my own grave as consecuence of the previous rule and by saying "possibly none" instead of "None I've been informed of". As true as your statement is, I'm not completely checkmated since you didn't give a list of possible suspects to fill those gaps, so right now your claim sounds more like "what are the chances of some culture not having already mythified all these creatures?"



Offline Zan

  • Master's Unit
  • *
    • Posts: 2040
    • Gender: Male
  • Unpleasable Unhelpful Utopian Totalitarian
    • View Profile
Reply #4 on: November 09, 2008, 03:56:46 PM
Quote
Sorry. I missed the conclusion of the Mythos vs. Mutos discussions, and I ignore where that rules comes from.

ミュートス

Mythos beer uses the same symbols. Also:

Message from Dr. Weil. Get equipped with MMZOCW.

Mutos Reploid
Reploids created by Neo Arcadia to protect humans. Their designs are based on divine creatures.

Based on figures from various mythologies and fables, they exude the very essence of guardians.


By the connection to mythology and fables, Mythos is the more accurate term. Vile Numbers are also considered Mythos Repliroids.



Offline RMX

  • SA-Class Hunter
  • *
    • Posts: 864
    • View Profile
Reply #5 on: November 09, 2008, 04:10:28 PM
Good, but we still don't know the concrete myths.

Also, what was the name of Ragnarok's core, the one Weil fuses with. It was named after some Norse sword owned by some (ice?) giant.



Offline Zan

  • Master's Unit
  • *
    • Posts: 2040
    • Gender: Male
  • Unpleasable Unhelpful Utopian Totalitarian
    • View Profile
Reply #6 on: November 09, 2008, 06:02:55 PM
Laevatein.



Offline Saber

  • King of Knights
  • Neo Arcadian
  • *
    • Posts: 1050
    • Gender: Male
  • 「Archetype Hero」
    • View Profile
Reply #7 on: November 11, 2008, 05:55:57 PM
Uh, wasn't Laevatein, according to the drama tracks, the control room of Ragnarok instead of the core? The very room you fought Kraft in? The symbolism of Ragnarok core being a sword pointing down to Earth more makes it seem like the well-known Sword of Damocles, then again, Damocles is from Greek mythology I recall, not Norse like the entire Ragnarok thing.





Offline Zan

  • Master's Unit
  • *
    • Posts: 2040
    • Gender: Male
  • Unpleasable Unhelpful Utopian Totalitarian
    • View Profile
Reply #8 on: November 11, 2008, 07:03:02 PM
Quoting MarshmallowMan:
Laevatein is Ragnarok's sword-shaped core. The control room where Zero fought Craft was where the control module for Laevatein was operated and regulated from.

....

I believe it's literally the station's computer brain. The diagram in Vile's Incident shows Energen stores surrounding the center of the station, so it probably isn't directly related to power supply/output besides the regulation of it. But once Vile is connected to the brain of the ship, it would all in essence sort of become part of him, perhaps.



Offline Flok

  • Passionate Gamer
  • B-Class Hunter
  • *
    • Posts: 448
    • Gender: Male
  • Killsringman
    • View Profile
Reply #9 on: November 11, 2008, 07:26:23 PM
Some of them are pretty obvious mythology references, others are not so, but still, I prefer to call all of them Neo Arcadians instead.

I really doubt that Glacier le Cactank has one though.



Flok's favorites:



Offline Flame

  • The obsessive
  • RPM Soldier
  • ****
    • Posts: 16013
    • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Reply #10 on: November 11, 2008, 07:29:17 PM
besides being Glacier + cactus + tank.

...When Larry the reploid accountant goes maverick of his own accord, he's certainly formidable during tax season, but he isn't going to provide X the challenge needed to make him grow as a warrior and reach his potential.


Offline marshmallow man

  • Robot Master
  • *
    • Posts: 135
    • View Profile
Reply #11 on: November 11, 2008, 09:28:05 PM

Laevatein is Ragnarok's sword-shaped core. The control room where Zero fought Craft was where the control module for Laevatein was operated and regulated from.

What I said. The track description is very clear that Laevatein is the sword-core thing. The control room is where it can be interfaced with, without plugging yourself in. Probably a bad analogy, but if it were a starship like the Enterprise, using computers they run the ship's functions from the main deck, but the actual means which perform these tasks are in other places, computing and engineering decks and what have you.


I remember Kamrous is was from Ainu culture.

I really wonder what the significance of the cactus is, if it's a myth somewhere or just pop culture or what. Dash and ZX also have talking cactus references. Amingo of MvC2, who seems to be a kind of guardian of nature. You'd think there'd be an origin somewhere, but I don't know what it is.



Offline Yllisos Zanon

  • The Laberynth Librarian
  • Resistance Member
  • *
    • Posts: 207
    • Gender: Male
  • Individuality, so F*#K popularity
    • View Profile
Reply #12 on: November 12, 2008, 05:17:01 PM
I usually go to pantheon.org for this sort of thing, now if memory serves me right, the stag and rabbit do have a reference, through native american legends.  Plus they are part of the native american birth signs and/or aztec signs. 

In fact, I think I know where I can find a bat referance.  I'll get back to you all on that one.

--edit--
A quick little something I just found.  Click on Adaox on the page.

http://pantheon.org/areas/mythology/americas/native_american/articles.html

First Found bat finding. Click in the Find box in the top corner, search for Fu-xing. no comment  bVd
I am sure there are more bat findings.

They're coming to take me away
hee hee hoo hoo haw haw

http://browse.deviantart.com/?q=veasman#


Offline Align

  • Master's Unit
  • *
    • Posts: 3432
    • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
    • Natural Selection, my FPS of choice
Reply #13 on: November 12, 2008, 07:02:12 PM
Lucky Star, huh?



Offline Yllisos Zanon

  • The Laberynth Librarian
  • Resistance Member
  • *
    • Posts: 207
    • Gender: Male
  • Individuality, so F*#K popularity
    • View Profile
Reply #14 on: November 12, 2008, 08:55:26 PM
Even though it's ZX, I laughed hard at this...

Bifrost:
In Norse mythology, Bifrost is the bridge between Midgard, the realm of man, and Asgard, the realm of the gods. Since it is the only way for the giants to enter Asgard it is closely guarded by Heimdall, the watchman of the gods.
Bifrost was made of three colors with magic and great skill by the Aesir and is incredibly strong. It is also called Asbru, referring to its makers. At the end of the cosmos, this rainbow-bridge will collapse.

Fits him quite well.  -u-'

They're coming to take me away
hee hee hoo hoo haw haw

http://browse.deviantart.com/?q=veasman#


Offline Align

  • Master's Unit
  • *
    • Posts: 3432
    • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
    • Natural Selection, my FPS of choice
Reply #15 on: November 12, 2008, 09:14:25 PM
It does? Not seeing the similarities...



Offline Yllisos Zanon

  • The Laberynth Librarian
  • Resistance Member
  • *
    • Posts: 207
    • Gender: Male
  • Individuality, so F*#K popularity
    • View Profile
Reply #16 on: November 13, 2008, 05:34:07 PM
While in Bifrosts battle, the door to the left leads to his stage along with the other stage, along with Hunters Camp, being Midgard.  To the door on the right, leads to the teleporter to the second to last stage, containing Pandora, Prometheus and Albert, being Asgard.

Plus, while in Bifrosts room, you can see those GIANT robots similiar to the beginning boss. (name escapes me right)  Bifrost himself is white, blue and pink.  Three colors.

They're coming to take me away
hee hee hoo hoo haw haw

http://browse.deviantart.com/?q=veasman#


Offline Tickle Buffalo

  • SA-Class Hunter
  • *
    • Posts: 977
    • View Profile
Reply #17 on: November 13, 2008, 05:40:18 PM
So heaven is a volcano underwater, and the gods are a trio of crazy robots?


You're pretty easy to please.



Offline Yllisos Zanon

  • The Laberynth Librarian
  • Resistance Member
  • *
    • Posts: 207
    • Gender: Male
  • Individuality, so F*#K popularity
    • View Profile
Reply #18 on: November 13, 2008, 05:47:55 PM
The name Bifrost in general is the connection I found.

Albert does mention the words "I am a God" towards the end, that's part to why made that last topic.  But in general, just brain farting an idea out.  -_-

They're coming to take me away
hee hee hoo hoo haw haw

http://browse.deviantart.com/?q=veasman#


Offline Night

  • Master's Unit
  • *
    • Posts: 2073
    • View Profile
Reply #19 on: November 14, 2008, 09:37:29 PM
I believe Childre Inarabitta comes from the white hare of Inaba tale...

I can't find an article of it at the moment...



Offline Flame

  • The obsessive
  • RPM Soldier
  • ****
    • Posts: 16013
    • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Reply #20 on: November 15, 2008, 12:53:47 AM
he obviously comes from there, as Foxtar is the nine tailed fox, and Kelverian is Fluffy.

...When Larry the reploid accountant goes maverick of his own accord, he's certainly formidable during tax season, but he isn't going to provide X the challenge needed to make him grow as a warrior and reach his potential.


Offline Acid

  • RPM Knight
  • ****
    • Posts: 8358
    • View Profile
Reply #21 on: November 15, 2008, 01:47:12 AM
Listen to my vast knowledge of mythology:

Laevatein was on of the two swords of Surt/Surtr the fire giant who would end the world with his flames during Ragnarok. The other sword being Surtralogi.



Offline MassKiller1

  • He who kicks ass.
  • Net Navi
  • *
    • Posts: 72
    • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Reply #22 on: November 15, 2008, 01:52:40 AM
So we are wondering why Veil chose the name Laevatein instead Surtralogi...?

(or does Veil have ANOTHER ragnarok named Surtalogi O.O ... jk xD)

Searching for the answers, meanings within the answers...


Offline Klavier Gavin

  • RPM Soldier
  • ****
    • Posts: 1371
  • Einspruch!
    • View Profile

Offline MassKiller1

  • He who kicks ass.
  • Net Navi
  • *
    • Posts: 72
    • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Reply #24 on: November 15, 2008, 01:55:39 AM
Who? >>;

In the Japanese version of Roackman Zero, Weil is actually called Veil (and Vile in Rockman X Series is called VAVA).

Searching for the answers, meanings within the answers...