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Title: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Hypershell on January 16, 2012, 04:03:43 AM
UPDATE:

Second poll is open!  This is it, folks, the top ten, only one vote permitted.

http://www.facebook.com/questions/354573801228458/

Let's get Trigger off the goddamn moon! :V



Original post below:

As reported earlier by The Mega Man Network (http://www.themmnetwork.com/2012/01/14/bandais-next-d-arts-figure-you-make-the-call/), Bandai and Bluefin are opening up polls to determine the next figure in their D-Arts line.  The first poll allows user-submitted entries and the final poll will take the top seven and narrow it down.

First poll opened a little early, since the fans are chomping at the bit:
http://www.facebook.com/questions/340535812632257/

Get Me Off The Moon had thought to enter Barrett as their rallying cry, however there is the question of whether or not Capcom would even allow such a license (frankly I'm amazed that Aero made it into Udon's Tribute book).  Bandai themselves were kind enough to throw Mega Man Volnutt into the starting lineup, though.  Volnutt at time of writing is maintaining a 20+ vote lead over his nearest competitor (Sigma).

For the first poll, at least, you can vote for as many characters as you want.  So no need to feel conflicted about leaving your favorites hang while you support Legends (on a personal note, this is liable to get awkward for me if Iris makes it into the top 7...).

Let's get Mega Man off the damn moon!
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: The Great Gonzo on January 16, 2012, 04:07:54 AM
As much as I'd like a Kotobukiya-Trigger, Bandai Trigger sounds good too. :) (I have no Facebook, though...)
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Reaperoid on January 16, 2012, 04:32:28 AM
Honestly, this is not going to be a majority-rules vote, nor a fair vote by any means.
Enjoy your Volnutt.
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Sigma Zero X on January 16, 2012, 04:41:02 AM
Although I don't have a Facebook, I am rooting for Sigma and Trigger.  I hope either will make it as a figure.  Choosing between either is a tough thing for me to do. 
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Treleus on January 16, 2012, 06:29:18 AM
You can vote for more than one.

I voted for Volnutt, Sigma, Black Zero, X2 Armor, and that's about it.
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Gaia on January 16, 2012, 07:33:47 AM
Multipule votes? That's a relief, probably for hypershell anyway. I'll have to think this one over though, voting's never been one of my strong points.  -u-'
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Hypershell on February 05, 2012, 06:54:33 AM
Second poll is up today!  This is it, folks, the top ten, only one vote permitted.

http://www.facebook.com/questions/354573801228458/

Let's get Trigger off the goddamn moon! :V



Zero 2nd version and Vile were eliminated due to recent announcements (like we didn't already know they were coming).  That leaves the following to choose from:

Volnutt
Sigma
Bass
Proto Man
Tron
Ultimate Armor
Megaman.EXE
Axl
Command Mission X
Roll Caskett

Interestingly enough, the next couple of characters in line were Mega Man, Iris, Storm Eagle, and Barrett (yep, a character who never appeared in any published work made it to #14).

So many emotions over Iris.  Sad she didn't make it into the top 10, a little ticked that characters who are redundant with Kotobukiya made it so, but relieved that I don't have to choose between her and Trigger, and also glad that at least she beat the stuffing out of every non-Legends female.
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: The Great Gonzo on February 05, 2012, 07:04:45 AM
God, I hope Trigger makes it (and that his figure is a high-quality one).
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Police Girl on February 05, 2012, 07:32:26 AM
Bandai does good work, their X and Zero figures are a good example.

Wait....

Roll Casket got into the top 10?

[tornado fang] Trigger I'm voting for Best Roll.
Its a futile effort but I still want to see a good figure of her.

Maybe if Trigger wins we might see some other characters from Legends.
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Hypershell on February 05, 2012, 07:58:51 AM
If Trigger were to generate decent sales then I can't imagine Tron would be very far behind, considering how often she's been the Legends series rep in the past (that and she ties to the Servbots, who are everywhere).  Roll is a bit more iffy.  Seeing her would be like seeing Iris or Alia.  Not a bad idea, by any means, I'm just not sure how much interest Bandai has in navigator-type support characters.
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Police Girl on February 05, 2012, 08:17:14 AM
If Trigger were to generate decent sales then I can't imagine Tron would be very far behind, considering how often she's been the Legends series rep in the past (that and she ties to the Servbots, who are everywhere).  Roll is a bit more iffy.  Seeing her would be like seeing Iris or Alia.  Not a bad idea, by any means, I'm just not sure how much interest Bandai has in navigator-type support characters.

But they're the best characters outside of the main characters. I can't honestly say that I want a Tron figure seeing as I don't like her that much (though if she came with her mech and a Servbot then I would buy her.) and the Support characters need more love anyway.

To be honest, I'm fine with anybody but Protoman winning (We already have a great figure for him).
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Zan on February 08, 2012, 02:01:14 PM
As much as DASH needs more promotion. I prefer to see a Sigma figure over anything else.
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Archer on February 08, 2012, 02:31:53 PM
i voted for axl
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Flame on February 08, 2012, 02:54:53 PM
As much as DASH needs more promotion. I prefer to see a Sigma figure over anything else.
Word. We need a Sigma figure.

That said, Trigger's gonna win anyway, so I voted for Sigma. Maybe once they decide on Trigger, the second place Sigma will get a figure too.
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Rin on February 08, 2012, 11:06:04 PM
But they're the best characters outside of the main characters. I can't honestly say that I want a Tron figure seeing as I don't like her that much
I can't honestly say that I want a Tron figure seeing as I don't like her that much
I don't like her that much
You best be joking... Tron is the best Megaman female there is, and I'm gonna slap you silly for ever thinking otherwise.
If I ever meet you, that is.
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Align on February 08, 2012, 11:25:19 PM
Personally I prefer Ciel...
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Protoman Blues on February 08, 2012, 11:27:31 PM
(http://images.wikia.com/megaman/images/8/8b/Cntgmmegagirl.jpg)

I believe that's check AND mate, gentlemen!!  8D
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: The Great Gonzo on July 12, 2012, 03:53:21 AM
Welp, we've finally got some potential new D-Arts stuff, and...

No Trigger. (http://www.rockmancorner.com/2012/07/black-zero-sigma-d-arts-confirmed.html)

I really hope they're just trying to complete the X series or something, or that this isn't all their new stuff, because otherwise, what was the point of that poll?
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Police Girl on July 12, 2012, 04:08:18 AM
Ah damn, you beat me to the punch.

Still, I put mine in the Models/Figures thread and I'm keeping it that way.

Shame that the Sigma apparently is just a display piece, he doesn't even have joints.
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Hypershell on July 12, 2012, 04:33:31 AM
Sigma, Ride Armor, Black Zero, even the frikkin' Navigator Console, all are badass, all are great things, and yet...

Yeah, I REALLY want to know why they're kicking the popular vote in the teeth.  There is always the possibility that this is stuff they started before the poll, I suppose (recall they still have Vile and Zero Type 2 up there originally).
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Police Girl on July 12, 2012, 05:48:04 AM
Sigma, Ride Armor, Black Zero, even the frikkin' Navigator Console, all are badass, all are great things, and yet...

Yeah, I REALLY want to know why they're kicking the popular vote in the teeth.  There is always the possibility that this is stuff they started before the poll, I suppose (recall they still have Vile and Zero Type 2 up there originally).

Black Zero would be pretty badass...

If I didn't know that Bandai is probably just going to take the normal Zero and Repaint it without addressing any of its issues.
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: OBJECTION MAN on July 12, 2012, 03:02:16 PM
Also keep in mind D-Arts has to get final approval from Capcom for doing anything with their licensed materials. We know that Capcom puts those clauses in all their license contracts, and with good reason. It's very possible they said 'Nope' to Trigger's production.
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: The Great Gonzo on July 12, 2012, 09:30:27 PM
Someone on PRC said that Bandai only had the rights to the X series. I dunno if that's true or not, but if so, Bandai should've specified that when they opened the poll.
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Hypershell on July 13, 2012, 12:58:37 AM
Volnutt, Quick Man, Bass, and Proto Man were all among the original seven options posted by Bluefin in the first poll, so I've gotta call bullshit on that one.

Heck, Sigma was the ONLY X-series character in the original options who was not already in production on the Japanese side.

Also keep in mind D-Arts has to get final approval from Capcom for doing anything with their licensed materials. We know that Capcom puts those clauses in all their license contracts, and with good reason. It's very possible they said 'Nope' to Trigger's production.
Far more plausible.



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Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Flame on July 13, 2012, 01:43:07 AM
To be honest, I feel that many of the Trigger votes were solely to send the message that "we want more legends" after the Legends 3 fiasco. Bandai probably felt that since they were doing the X series, they would be better off continuing with it and doing other series later.

*hides under fire proof shield*
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Archer on July 13, 2012, 02:48:05 AM
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Oh calm down. You're getting angry because they didn't make a toy.
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: The Great Gonzo on July 13, 2012, 02:54:03 AM
Oh calm down. You're getting angry because they didn't make a toy.

More like "why did you bother opening a poll" combined with "Capcom doesn't think Legends will sell yet they actively prevent any chance of Legends becoming popular".

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To be honest, I feel that many of the Trigger votes were solely to send the message that "we want more legends" after the Legends 3 fiasco.

I think many of the people who voted for Volnutt really did want a good figure of him, myself included (*looks at old Bandai model kit that, while decently sculpted, lacks elbow articulation*).
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Hypershell on July 13, 2012, 03:09:19 AM
It's a Simpsons joke, AA.  Take your own advise and lighten up a little.

But yeah, Gonzo nailed it.  I'm fairly convinced that Capcom (that is, CoJ, not CoA) is actively attempting to silence the Legends fanbase.  It's the only logical way that I can justify their refusal to release the already completed Prototype Version before cancelling the game; most likely motivated by their ongoing unease over the Devroom (as referenced by Gregaman when the game was cancelled), which in Japan, they long since deleted from the internet.  We in the U.S. were a bit luckier in that regard.

To be honest, I feel that many of the Trigger votes were solely to send the message that "we want more legends" after the Legends 3 fiasco. Bandai probably felt that since they were doing the X series, they would be better off continuing with it and doing other series later.

*hides under fire proof shield*
No worries; I neither breathe fire nor get my own movies.

This is my third time saying this in the last two days, but that is baseless speculation.  It's the same conjecture that encourages Capcom to abandon a "dying" series instead of fixing it: No matter how vocal fans are, there must be some reason they are incapable of spending money.

Don't you think any Mega Man page that covered the poll has every bit the same chance of sending a fan of any of the other six series to vote on figures they have no intention of buying as they do of sending a Legends fan to do the same?  There is absolutely no evidence of whether Sigma's votes are more or less "valid" than Volnutt's votes.  For that matter, just because a Legends fan refers somebody to the poll, doesn't mean the person referred to it will vote accordingly.  I referred five friends on Facebook to that poll and only two voted for Trigger.

If shaky assumptions about the behavioral habits of a fanbase completely untested for the last decade are your thing, then consider this: Volnutt's votes being a matter of sensational retribution would imply that the fanbase's loyalty to him would wane over time.  Being based on emotionally unstable individuals who lack the commitment to buy the figure after the long stretch of time it takes to produce it, the other characters should overtake him in the long run.  But that didn't happen; the poll never closed, and to this day, Trigger maintains a near 100 vote lead over Sigma.

Hardly concrete stuff, I know, but it's about as valid and likely as any of the guesswork aimed at tearing Trigger down.
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: The Great Gonzo on July 17, 2012, 02:42:38 AM
So I read this. (http://www.themmnetwork.com/2012/07/16/bluefin-speaks-on-mega-man-x-d-arts-at-sdcc-12/) This bit, towards the bottom:

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There are also other Mega Man related D-Arts figures that were not visible at San Diego, but may be revealed at future Tamashii events…

gives me some hope that Volnutt might still get a figure. But honestly, given that CoJ's involved...
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Archer on July 17, 2012, 03:03:01 AM
gives me some hope that Volnutt might still get a figure. But honestly, given that CoJ's involved...

You're just begging them to disappoint you.
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: The Great Gonzo on July 17, 2012, 03:16:18 AM
You're just begging them to disappoint you.

...Most likely, unfortunately. I'm trying not to get my hopes too high up.

Protodude will forward any questions in the comments section of this post (http://www.rockmancorner.com/2012/07/updates-on-bluefins-mega-man-ventures.html) to Bluefin; I've submitted my own, though as of this writing the comment hasn't been approved yet. Basically, "Is Volnutt one of those figures you'll reveal later, and if not, then why was he excluded?" and "It sounds like you're expanding the line beyond X, so are figures from BN and SF possible (by which I mean "will the various companies involved with them let you"), or ones from other series like RS-MM?"

I have no idea when people's questions will be answered, or if the answers will be at all helpful.


edit: GOD-[tornado fang]ing-DAMMIT

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And we are also aware of ballot stuffing for polls and people attempting to hijack momentum for their own personal gain.

You know...I don't care how frustrated you are with the Legends fanbase, and how they won't "get over" the PR nightmare and betrayal of trust that was MML3's cancellation. I don't care if some spambots accidentally got counted amongst the legitimate members of 10,000 Strong (or whatever was so controversial about them reaching 10,000).

How do you prove there was ballot-stuffing? Whose word was Bluefin relying on?


I asked Protodude if he could let Bluefin know that yes, many Legends fans who voted for Trigger had every intention of buying the damn thing; he said that he'd see what he could do.

(TMMN's article didn't include that sentence, and I thought they had the full Q&A with Mr. Lim, hence why I missed it. Well, that, and "Gonzo is an idiot")
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Flame on July 17, 2012, 05:06:34 PM
It's not exactly surprising that there would be some kind of Ballot hijinx involved with the Trigger option in the poll. I stand by my reasoning that the only reason he garnered THAT many votes, intent to buy or otherwise, was because of L3's cancellation. Sigma himself had quite a few votes, and came in second place if I recall, and im pretty sure he might have come in first had the L3 situation not happened, or if L3 had never existed period.

Also: I have every intent to buy the Sigma figure if it comes out, too. I dont see how the votes for Trigger are any more indicative of "having every intent to buy"
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Treleus on July 17, 2012, 09:15:53 PM
DABBURU SUTANNNDARUUDOOOS

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRsIQgQrWtjYwL5A-CgNmFt6gZZoQezd7d8KIZpkJrxQkobCrJUT94zbA4s)

Please. They're valid. If they're not, then one could reasonably extrapolate that no internet poll vote is valid, given a deep enough scope of analysis, and in the absence of hard evidence for or against ballot fixing. The shitstorm of Legends 3's development, marketing, and sudden cancellation was definitely a big catalyst for Trigger's surge in popularity, but the "cancellation factor" alone doesn't invalidate the numbers because there's more to it than just "oh, a game got cancelled. Whoopdy-do." For better or for worse, the situation surrounding Legends 3's cancellation produced effects still felt by fans everywhere to this day. Whether or not Capcom wanted this, they asked for it, they got it, and it's here to stay whether they do something for it or not.

Things do change and people may lose interest. That's natural for anything. But remember how long Legends fans had to wait for a sequel? 10 years, right? 10 years of loyal fans waiting and new fans discovering the brand, especially upon the game's announcement, and then there's a huge backlash against this arguably niche game's cancellation.

There are also people who're pissed at Capcom for something or other, so chances are they've mixed and coalesced a bit with the discontent from the Legends camp. You've got an argument there, but then if you want to be fair, you should also apply the same logic to the lack of X in MvC3 and attribute his surge in D-Arts popularity (and in general) to that outrage. Try it on and see if it fits.
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: megaman24681012 on July 17, 2012, 09:51:20 PM
It would seem pretty smart to take advantage of Cappy's recent antagonistic actions towards its fanbase to advertise merchandise. Hell, the Tekken guys are doing it.
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: The Great Gonzo on July 18, 2012, 12:34:35 AM
I'm seeing the "ballot stuffing" comments at PRC and...God.

These people wouldn't think any shenanigans went down if Sigma won that poll.
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Flame on July 18, 2012, 02:58:07 AM
the X series doesnt have NEARLY the same amount of controversy currently surrounding it though. The most it has is no Mega Man X in MvC3, with a costume cameo for Zero instead, who WAS in MvC3. Sigma himself was irrelevant on that front.
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: The Great Gonzo on July 18, 2012, 03:17:57 AM
Protodude's post has been updated:

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UPDATE: Ballot stuffing rules out a Mega Man Volnutt figure?

"Ah, it's come to my attention, that my comment regarding ballot stuffing has been assumed to refer only to MML 3 and Megaman Volnutt on Facebook. That wasn't my intention, it was a general comment regarding the validity of the Facebook polls in general."

"To expand on this, it's not necessarily the winner on the poll that automatically makes a figure.  All of the results are reviewed.  The results prompts Tamashii Nations to do further market research concerning the product viability and to pursue licensing with companies.  It's too soon for mml fans to conclude their voices are in vain."

I'm glad that Bluefin wanted to sort things out. Here's to hoping...
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Treleus on July 18, 2012, 05:26:07 AM
the X series doesnt have NEARLY the same amount of controversy currently surrounding it though. The most it has is no Mega Man X in MvC3, with a costume cameo for Zero instead, who WAS in MvC3. Sigma himself was irrelevant on that front.

Yeah, but what I'm saying is controversy =/= invalidity. Controversy is an indication that there's something a lot of people care about, not something that a lot of people don't care about. If it were the latter case, then there would've been no controversy. We can argue numbers and comparative popularity all day between it and other Mega Man/Capcom franchises, but it definitely has a following, and Legends 3 had a lot to do with bringing it out and causing it to grow.
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Hypershell on July 20, 2012, 12:41:51 AM
I really wish more people would learn the definition of "ballot stuffing" before they run their mouths.  It means cheating by submitting duplicate votes, which God knows EVERYONE does on the internet (watch a GameFAQs character poll sometime), so anyone worth their own brain stem would be alert for it regardless of circumstance.  That's just common sense.  The existence of the 100,000 Strong (what is with all of the appeal to ridicule by altering that number, anyway?) cannot possibly invalidate 531 votes on those grounds.  Do your [tornado fang]ing research, people.

And don't pretend that nobody else in the world rallied for their favorites, be they Sigma, Forte, or anyone else (http://shironek0.deviantart.com/journal/), because it's a bold faced lie.  It's called being a fan.  Had L3 never existed I'd have done the same thing for Iris.

It's not exactly surprising that there would be some kind of Ballot hijinx involved with the Trigger option in the poll. I stand by my reasoning that the only reason he garnered THAT many votes, intent to buy or otherwise, was because of L3's cancellation. Sigma himself had quite a few votes, and came in second place if I recall, and im pretty sure he might have come in first had the L3 situation not happened, or if L3 had never existed period.
And Sigma wouldn't have gotten that many votes if Mega Man X had never existed.  He probably wouldn't have gotten as many votes had this poll happened hot off of the heels of X7, either.  And he DEFINITELY wouldn't have gotten as many votes if not for the fact that previous D-Arts figures are from the X-series, and that Zero has been making cameo fighting game appearances, as the X-series in terms of core game releases has been dead for the last six years.

What is your point, Flame?

Polls exist to gauge popularity.  Circumstance does not invalidate popularity; quite the opposite, popularity is based on circumstance, and is in no way whatsoever an objective measure of value.
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: The Great Gonzo on October 15, 2012, 04:04:11 AM
At NYCC, we can vote on which series we want to see more D-Arts of. (http://www.rockmancorner.com/2012/10/are-you-at-nycc-tamashii-nations-has.html) Choices are Classic, X, and Legends.

*crosses fingers*
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Archer on October 15, 2012, 04:13:18 AM
As if the results mean anything.
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: The Great Gonzo on October 15, 2012, 04:18:59 AM
As if the results mean anything.

I dunno; Bandai could make a lot of money off of listening to the fans. They're not cosmically stupid like Capcom (I hope).
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Ladd Spencer on October 15, 2012, 06:09:22 AM
I'm voting Classic. I love Legends, and X could have some cool figures, but we need robot masters.
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Joseph Collins on October 15, 2012, 06:14:16 AM
I want a Springman action figure.

... what?  I do.  :3
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Ladd Spencer on October 15, 2012, 06:28:19 AM
I hope he's as cool as Springy, Homer's entry for the Olympics mascot. His name was Springy, right?
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Flame on October 15, 2012, 08:03:00 AM
He better be made of legit springs.
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Strider Xhaiden on October 15, 2012, 10:53:25 AM
I'm honestly torn. Part of me wants Classic because Proto Man/Bass/Elec Man/Wily/etc. , but the other half wants more X because Axl/Alia/Dynamo/Colonel and Iris/etc.
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Rin on October 15, 2012, 02:02:06 PM
I'm honestly torn. Part of me wants Classic because Proto Man/Bass/Elec Man/Wily/etc. , but the other half wants more X because Axl/Alia/Dynamo/Colonel and Iris/etc.

Are you implying any of those characters, maybe except Blues and Axl (who have it guaranteed), will get figures?

HA.
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Flame on October 15, 2012, 03:34:21 PM
If sigma is being prototyped, and vile got his dues-  and his ride armor is being considered... I wouldn't put ot past bandai
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Ladd Spencer on October 15, 2012, 05:02:52 PM
Dynamo as a figure without his theme constantly playing wouldn't have the same effect, in my mind.
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Hypershell on October 17, 2012, 12:49:24 AM
For once I agree with Ladd.  Also, any figure to bear Dynamo's name needs to be indestructible.  If it's not functional after being blown up 10 times, it cannot bear Dynamo's name.

I guess they figured conventions would be a good place to poll, since they're hitting the collector demograph?  Pisses me off that I was there Sunday and I missed that, but oh well.
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Police Girl on October 17, 2012, 02:31:05 AM
At NYCC, we can vote on which series we want to see more D-Arts of. (http://www.rockmancorner.com/2012/10/are-you-at-nycc-tamashii-nations-has.html) Choices are Classic, X, and Legends.

*crosses fingers*

I love how updates regarding this stuff is put in the Models and Figures thread by me (Which you should all read more often, seriously its like a ghost town.) and in here by whoever here sees it first but not in the M&F page. :P

Anyway, hoping for Legends for Roll, or X for Alia, or Classic for Classic Roll.

Really I just want more females.
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Ladd Spencer on October 17, 2012, 05:08:17 AM
For once I agree with Ladd.  Also, any figure to bear Dynamo's name needs to be indestructible.  If it's not functional after being blown up 10 times, it cannot bear Dynamo's name.

I guess they figured conventions would be a good place to poll, since they're hitting the collector demograph?  Pisses me off that I was there Sunday and I missed that, but oh well.
Oh you know deep down inside this isn't the first time we've agreed. Search your feelings. We both love X6, right? That is you, right? The guy that loves X6?

Anyway, hoping for Legends for Roll, or X for Alia, or Classic for Classic Roll.

Really I just want more females.
This reminds me of Grandma's Boy.
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Flame on October 17, 2012, 06:24:24 AM
Oh you know deep down inside this isn't the first time we've agreed. Search your feelings. We both love X6, right? That is you, right? The guy that loves X6?
Hey I like it too. one of my favorites, along X4 and X3 (X4, X6, X3, in that order)

Also, [tornado fang] I never thought of it. I DO want a Dynamo figure. That Sunnuvabitch is too awesome not to get one.

Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: The Great Gonzo on October 17, 2012, 07:56:38 PM
The NYCC poll favoured X. (http://www.rockmancorner.com/2012/10/bandai-talks-sigma-legends-d-arts-at.html)

There's a huge demand for Legends (mostly Volnutt and Tron), and Bandai wants to start on a Legends line, but no. They need more feedback for some reason.
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Flame on October 17, 2012, 10:30:31 PM
Maybe it's because Legends is nowhere near as universally popular as Classic or X?

I don't get your attitude of "for some reason".

I loved Legends, I signed onto the Facebook page, and I'd buy a Legends 3, but even I can see that it is not as popular as Classic or X, which are more mainstream.

Legends was never as popular as them, and it shows, when they never did well in the first place. Only during the following decade did it gain a cult following amongst the Mega Man fanbase.

The key there- is amongst the Mega Man fanbase. I have friends who are not Mega Man "fans" like me, but do like Classic and X. Particularly X. They have never played Legends, and the didnt like it's dungeon crawler format above the more fast paced action platform X series.

Legends is not as popular as you think it is. It gets hype, but not actual caring support. People in the gaming community align themselves with mega Man fans against Capcom's cancelling of L3, and the fan efforts, not because they all love Legends, but out of empathy for their fellow gamers and such a classic franchise being treated they way it does by the company. They will jump on the legends bandwagon, but give them a poll as to what figures they are more likely to buy, and they will pick Classic or X, depending on how much exposure to the franchise they have. (people with less exposure are likely to choose classic, and may think he and X are the same character. People with a bit more might have played X1 on the SNES, and pick that.)

I hate to sound like a dick, but seriously. People need to get over their perceived "huge" demand of the series. There is not as much actual demand as you think there is. There is SUPPORT, but not all of that support is demand. It's just people who support the fanbase against the way Capcom Treated them and the franchise.

As far as Bandai waning to do Legends, that means they will do Legends. No need to despair or get angry over poll results. It just means you have to wait a little longer.
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: The Great Gonzo on October 18, 2012, 12:10:35 AM
I was thinking something like "if the demand's there, why not try releasing something Legends-related alongside the X stuff?"/"Why did the NYCC poll trump all the Facebook talk?"

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Legends is not as popular as you think it is. It gets hype, but not actual caring support.

I'm sorry, but that statement is at least 50% bullshit. There is plenty of genuine support; it's not fair to write it all off as "empty hype".

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People need to get over their perceived "huge" demand of the series. There is not as much actual demand as you think there is. There is SUPPORT, but not all of that support is demand.

Mind explaining how the Legends fans are supposed to show the demand's there if there is literally nothing on the market to help demonstrate that demand? (Cameos aside, but those don't really mean much)
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Flame on October 18, 2012, 12:31:50 AM
I don't know. But that's the way it is. Thats why it's so tricky to release Legends stuff. They cant tell how much of the support are actual sales. Its the reason they figured a Comicon poll would do the trick, since if you have the money to buy tickets and visit their booth, you more than likely are willing to buy a figure. Anyone can vote in a facebook poll.

But in the end, the poll had X come out on top, due to the hype surrounding the current D-Arts figures, and the showcase ones.

Also, it's a risk to release legends alongside the X, because again, they dont know how many people will actually buy.  They know for sure people will buy X, and they know that people will bu a Classic Rock. They Don't know however, for sure that a Trigger figure will sell as well. Keep in mind they would have to prototype, make molds, etc etc, make a whole bunch of figures, and if they dont sell well, they used money on it that they didnt make back.

I dont know how their system works... You or someone should pose them the question on why. I mean, seems like a good idea, no? make a very small limited run to test the waters? Im assuming that they dont because they dont know for sure it would sell and if it doesnt they will have wasted money on development costs, but I'm not them, so I can only offer an opinion.
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Gaia on October 18, 2012, 01:03:03 AM
My point exactly (because from what I remember, movies like twilight *shrug* have a cult following, but not really popular to begin with), and if I remember, didin't their earlier models feel too bulky? I'm willing to bet that Drill Arm Rockman wouldn't hold it's support on it's own when posed (due to the drill being well, huge). Maybe they just need a little more time to find that balance.

In the meantime? X won the poll, but Classic and "Zegro" (my name for the black zero fake/armor for tl;dr reasons) are already being made, with the possibility of a statue of the titular sigma. It's quite possible that Sigma might get converted into figure format with swappable heads, or my previous prediction of an Iris D-Arts figure, now that she has the proper structure seen in PXZ.

Don't get me wrong, but I felt the designs were a bit too clunky for me during X3-6 (barring X4, I felt that Duff McWhalen would have a hard time standing on his own if he were a figure due to his ridiculous design).
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Hypershell on October 18, 2012, 04:31:11 AM
Oh you know deep down inside this isn't the first time we've agreed. Search your feelings. We both love X6, right? That is you, right? The guy that loves X6?
Touche.  X6 is my favorite main-series X game (my favorite X game including all side-stories is Xtreme2; X4 ranks in a solid third).

Anyway, hoping for Legends for Roll, or X for Alia, or Classic for Classic Roll.

Really I just want more females.
I'm all for more Mega-gals (heck, outside of Legends, my next most wanted character would be Iris), but on Classic Roll, I kinda wish Bandai would stay away from redundancy with Kotobukiya.  That's why D-Arts Rock is kinda low on my priority list.  I mean, yeah, they threw in Rush and a Met, which is awesome, but still.

Mind explaining how the Legends fans are supposed to show the demand's there if there is literally nothing on the market to help demonstrate that demand? (Cameos aside, but those don't really mean much)
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That's the real clincher, isn't it?  It's not very often I find myself arguing against Flame, but all this talk of "support vs. demand" and whether sales will be greater or lesser than the perceived support, is pure conjecture.  Nobody outside of Japan (and even that was only in the most minimal and unambitious methods possible) has put a theory in either direction to the test for the last 12 years, and dismissing any such potential demand based solely on guesswork gets irritating very, very quickly.

I also don't necessarily buy into the theory that NYCC better connects with Mega Man fans.  I get why people would think that, but here's the thing: I was there.  Do you know how many "visible" Mega Man fans I met?  Three.  One passed by with a simple hello, and the other two I talked to long enough to know that they supported Legends, and owned a couple of semi-niche Legends products that net a couple hundred bucks on eBay these days.

Mega Man is in a serious dry spell on Capcom's end, represented at NYCC solely by Bandai themselves (primarily X-series, some Classic) and Archie (Classic series).  The fans know this, and it showed in the audience this year.  The blue bomber's presence was, unsurprisingly, not nearly what it was in either 2010 or 2011.  NYCC 2012 hits the "general gaming/comic" audience, not the Mega Man fanbase, and that such an audience identifies best with Classic and X is only natural.  It's not in the least unreasonable to say that such a demograph would turn out biased; certainly a lot less unreasonable than the constant accusations of Legends bias on the internet based solely on the fact that Get Me Off The Moon exists.  Even among the Mega Man fans who do show, the reality is, Classic and X fans have commercially-backed reasons to attend such conventions.  Legends fans do not.

If anything, maintaining the level of support that Legends has (and no, this didn't start with L3's cancellation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toxitPCgY4Q&t=16)) after 12 years of absolutely no official backing says a lot.  X is considered troubled after going through a hiatus for a fraction of that time, and Classic saw official support a mere two years ago.  That Legends can even be compared to those two is worth some consideration in itself.  Compared to the other Mega Man brands, Legends demand is kicking the crap out of all four of its younger and more recently supported siblings (Zero-series Kotobukiya, yeah, that went well), and pretty much anyone with a brain stem could tell that Legends 3 was seriously one-upping Universe in terms of its hype (a trend which continues to this day in their respective revival efforts; if you want to see a game that people only talk about out of general support for the Mega Man series, look up Universe's facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/pages/100000-Strong-for-Bringing-Back-Mega-Man-Universe/212341525502946?fref=ts)).
Title: Re: Can Bandai get Mega Man off the F***ING moon?
Post by: Ladd Spencer on October 18, 2012, 06:56:13 AM
Touche.  X6 is my favorite main-series X game (my favorite X game including all side-stories is Xtreme2; X4 ranks in a solid third).
I know.