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Other Things => Off The Wall => Anime & Manga => Topic started by: Rin on December 13, 2010, 08:11:23 PM
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... and I'm not sure if I feel fine.
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/12/13/tokyo-anime-manga-ban-passes/
>The most immediate and direct effect of the law will almost certainly be to see ecchi manga such as To Love-Ru, bishoujo titles such as Champion Red and most BL manga, as well as any seinen manga with especially mature themes, banned from general sales – presumably most will then be cancelled due to a lack of suitable magazine or tankobon distribution channels
>The law probably also spells the end of most late night anime in Tokyo (and by extension, everywhere else), which it would appear to ban under its distribution clause; given the vague wording of the current season alone it seems Ore no Imouto, Panty & Stocking, Yosuga, Sora no Otoshimono, Milky Holmes and others would all fall foul of its various stipulations
>There is also some doubt as to whether Comiket will be able to be held under the new regulations
AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA!
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What, what what what?
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What, what what what?
Short version: lots of anime and manga getting banned (or at the very least retooled).
Also, the guy behind this banning (or one of the guys) is a homophobe, and apparently a xenophobe as well. I want to smash his face off SO HARD.
...I take back what I said in the oekaki. 2011 is going to suck, and not just because of this ban--because such a thing was able to get passed, anywhere, in the first place.
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..................I think hell just froze over.
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Short version: lots of anime and manga getting banned (or at the very least retooled).
Also, the guy behind this banning (or one of the guys) is a homophobe, and apparently a xenophobe as well. I want to smash his face off SO HARD.
...I take back what I said in the oekaki. 2011 is going to suck, and not just because of this ban--because such a thing was able to get passed, anywhere, in the first place.
I figured that..I was just stating my disbelief. Seriously, how did this get passed?
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Looking back over that, this banning seems to apply only to Tokyo residents. Doesn't make things any better.
I figured that..I was just stating my disbelief. Seriously, how did this get passed?
All thanks to some shitfuck who doesn't realize that gays AREN'T "defective and pitiful".
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All thanks to some shitfuck who doesn't realize that gays AREN'T "defective and pitiful".
This is a Jap that did this?
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The backbone of the industry, wiped away just like that!
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Technically, it's law yet. The actual vote occurs on Wednesday. And it won't go into effect right away. So there's still time to fight it.
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How do you know it won't go into effect yet? And, seeing as its on wednesday, they're doing the voting NOW, or have already done it.
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I think somewhere in there it said something about not starting till July 2011
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Enough time for every title that'll be canned because of this to go out with a bang, I guess.
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< My thoughts on the matter.
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Legends 3... Starcraft 2... DN Forever...
And now Moonspeak land actually making anti-otaku manga and anime restriction laws?
Only 2 more seals left...
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It seems that there is worry that Comiket might have to be cancelled or something due to these insane restrictions.
Looks like evn the Prime minister wants the matter resolved. he said this in his blog. (courtesy ANN)
here is another topic I would like to talk about concerning [the strength of] the Japanese brand. Currently, there are concerns over the possibility that the Tokyo International Animation Fair could be cancelled due to controversies related to the healthy development of youth issues. Healthy development of youth is an important issue. At the same time, it is important that Japanese animation is broadcast to a global audience. I urge all parties involved to try to work toward preventing a situation where an international animation fair cannot be held within Tokyo.
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At the same time, it is important that Japanese animation is broadcast to a global audience.
*ahem* I guess the guy hasn't heard of US restrictions to make american animation "globally fun to watch". Instead we ended up getting pretty stupid and repetitive shows from elsewhere because of this (I know there are fun shows in nations that was lost in transilation other than japan, but 'cmon!).
This is starting to sound like the Inufaune Issue, where he was dissapointed at the Japanese X Industry and "needs fixing".
But once again, it might be too late for that now.
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How do you know it won't go into effect yet? And, seeing as its on wednesday, they're doing the voting NOW, or have already done it.
Japan may be on the future, but they're not THAT far, it's Tuesday at most there.
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I really do hope the Prime minister needs to veto this bill so this drama will end. I'm glad that he's against this.
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Let's just wait and see IF that crappy law is on effect....
I'm sure that there will be a serious rage from otakus, WILL BE.
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Huh. Well then... I guess I'm not upset about some of this, given I don't care for BL or Panty&Stocking but... I never care for censorship, so eh.
Didn't think Japan was out of their mind though. I expect hypocrisy at its finest from America. Japan? Not so much.
Eh, long story short, I don't care for this. I don't see this effecting me in the long run either.
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Didn't think Japan was out of their mind though.
Well, major players of Japan have been going nuts recently trying to appease the western market, there's no suprise there.
What I am gonna expect though if it DOES pass, I might see more non-jap cartoons being imported from other regions such as El Tigre and Misadventures of Flap Jack being aired in major TV stations such as TV Tokyo. Of course it won't affect mainstays for both american and jap regions such as Pokemon though, as it basically follows thwarting the bad guy routine.
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Well, major players of Japan have been going nuts recently trying to appease the western market, there's no suprise there.
What I am gonna expect though if it DOES pass, I might see more non-jap cartoons being imported from other regions such as El Tigre and Misadventures of Flap Jack being aired in major TV stations such as TV Tokyo. Of course it won't affect mainstays for both american and jap regions such as Pokemon though, as it basically follows thwarting the bad guy routine.
Sucks for them. They shouldn't take our bullshit Cartoon shows. Our kids have enough ADD crap flowing into their brains that it is rather depressing... and why the hell would anyone want to appeal to America? We're starting to end up poor as [tornado fang] and pretending we have money, then pretending we don't have money, then pretending we do have money. We have the dumbest education system this side of the hemisphere, to the point that people who DON'T have an education can end up smarter than the people in college still for their third year. (I can't begin to describe instances where I've outsmarted people twice my age and many times "smarter" than I am)
But before I step on someone's shoes and [acid burst] on someone's favorite team, if I haven't already, and cause them to [acid burst] on my [acid burst] and cause a famous RPM pissing contest... I'll just walk away with this.
I've known about this "issue" for a long time, as many of my posts here and there have stated over the years. Japan needs to stay Japan. Japan is fine being Japan. America needs to shape up and be less "identity crisis" since we really have nothing to call our own. Unless we call everything we've taken from others our own. I dunno. Either way. A lot of ghey [parasitic bomb].
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We have [The Goddamned] Batman...! That's got to count for something!
Also, much agreed on the Education system. Fortunately, due to RPM rules, I cant quite continue that thought with my own opinions. Which is for the best, since when I spiral into those thoughts, I just feel like drinking because it's just so sad and depressing. And political. God I hate politics... They make me want to drink too...
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I don't like politics either. If it comes to blocking downloading sites in America, they always rejected it. If it comes to for banning "vitural crime" of Anime in Tokyo, it may get reject. And as for American cartoons shipping to Japan, it's pretty hard to find DVDs on them, since some shows, such as Family Guy, hasn't been air in Japanese Televisions.
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How do you know it won't go into effect yet? And, seeing as its on wednesday, they're doing the voting NOW, or have already done it.
Cause I can predict the future. (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-12-15/full-tokyo-assembly-passes-youth-ordinance-bill)
Seriously speaking, laws don't go into effect right away. There's grace periods. And in this case, none of the bill goes into effect until April, and even then, that's only part of it. Only the regulation parts of the bill go into effect then. The actual restrictions go into effect in July. So there is time still to fight the decision.
Oh, and Jacksonville wins the Super Bowl in overtime.
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So wait, does this mean it'll be a law soon? Even the bill has fully passed, the Prime Minister might be able to veto it by April, but I'm not really dunno much about the politics in Japan areas.
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Well... I've heard stupider [parasitic bomb] before. Like legalizing pot. Gotta be the dumbest [parasitic bomb] I've ever heard in my life. Oh wait, that's politics... but that's also my opinion. I'm not discussing my opinion, so shove it.
Irregardless, you can still get your goods online and you all know it, this doesn't stop any of us denizens of the net. The only people it really effects is artists in Japan. Unless you are an artist in Japan... I doubt this is a problem for you. *shrugs* So, go homophobic Governor guy who I surprisingly understand! Go forth and fight for your wacky ideals and censorship that really changes nothing in the long run!
However, in retrospect, I await for the other party to fight against this. Because as stated, there is still time to stop this. While Japan isn't Americana, I'm pretty sure someone has something to say. Someone ALWAYS has something to say. And people who have something to say, open their fat mouths.
Look at Shintaro Ishihara after all. 8D
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GOD [tornado fang]ing DAMMIT (http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/12/15/tokyo-manga-ban-signed-into-law/)
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GOD [tornado fang]ing DAMMIT (http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/12/15/tokyo-manga-ban-signed-into-law/)
Yep, expect a "moom! They are doing something bad again" plot from japan real soon. Or at least hentai manga movin' underground, as like with most manga are in the US.
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"I dunno about [tornado fang]'d, but it is a shame.
The road ahead is bound to be an interesting one. Will there be a sudden increase in anime with good writing? Is the industry REALLY floating on the sales from sex-related anime/manga/merch/etc.? Things have been shook up, and I'm confident only the strongest in the industry will pull through to the end.
Try to look for the positives in everything."
This. Because honestly, that's a better way to look at it, instead of looking at it with your wang still.
Of course, you'll still be able to get your porn, per the usual. So let the old codger have his win. He can feel like he beat the "homos" one more time before he kicks the bucket in the next five or ten years. Every dog gets his day, right?
I'd personally like to see all the hentai stop drawing and writing with their roosters and start writing with their brains. Or at least a good majority. People can actually think! I've seen it! Of course, then there are people who honestly don't want to and devote their existence to porn... well, I guess kudos to you. Everyone has to fap to something. You'll find a way, so worry less I guess.
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It's not even affecting hentai at all, that's always being adults only for extremely obvious reasons.
I'd wait to see what actually happens before over reacting like some people already have.
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It's not even affecting hentai at all, that's always being adults only for extremely obvious reasons.
I'd wait to see what actually happens before over reacting like some people already have.
That has pretty much been my whole point. The H ain't going anywhere.
Never has, never will. I think everyone has come to terms with this knowledge a long time ago. But everyone wants to get their splooge into everything else. That is how [tornado fang]'d up stuff like Panty and Stocking come to pass. *shrugs* So I'm curious to see what happens myself.
Though again, sometimes I can't blame the crazy old guy if he's seen some of the stuff I've seen, for being disturbed at his country. Especially others for that matter. But hey, that's me.
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Hey, Mr. Fence--I, at least, am not thinking with my wang. (Properly it'd be "thinking with my vag", since I'm a woman) It's not "oh noez, no more porn!" I'm worried about, it's the stifling of creativity.
The law's wording is so vague that anything could be blocked by it, and some publishers won't know until they're humiliated publicly. (And, honestly, doesn't this seem more characteristic of China or North Korea?) I don't think even the Comics Code Authority stooped to such lows.
Oh, and Ishihara? I hear he wrote a book that contains [twin slasher] AND LOTS OF IT, and quite possibly glorifies that act of violence--two things not allowed under the ban. The man is a [tornado fang]ing hypocrite, and he most likely wrote this thing not because hentai/borderline-hentai was being distributed to minors (or some moral-panic crap like that), but because he hates otaku, homosexuals, foreigners, manga-ka, and anyone else not voting for him.
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Haha, the guy is completely nuts under my standards, don't get me wrong. But then, most people are completely nuts under my standards. Guy wrote a lot of books, so I cannot be bothered to READ a lot of his books. Until I read all of his books... or any of his books for that matter, out of fairness, I cannot refute nor thumb up that comment.
Just saying.
The law is indeed vague. I'd want someone to explain it to me too. They clearly are not going to... there's a reason for this. I knew from the start that it was a ploy. They did something like this in America not too long ago... I think. I could be wrong though... but hey. Politics, it's evil, it's also cute in that obnoxious way. And when I say cute, I mean in the way that makes you want to beat it with an ugly stick.
That said, I applaud you with thinking with more than your genitals. At the end of the day, we can still freely use our creativity, we just can't always express it. I realize I'm a minority though. I use my creativity all the time, I just keep my creativity to myself. Unless I'm trolling people. On RPM. Which I keep to a minimum now, since you guys hate me so much <3
Err, getting a bit off topic in this post of mine... my point is, I'm not so quick to jump the hurdles because of the fact that this may or may not be the greatest evil known to man... for Japan.
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This law doesn't mean a thing and it only applies to Tokyo. And also AFAIK mainly to said loli [twin slasher] etc material being aimed/sold towards minors.
And topic title was misleading. I was expecting a HakuMen reference.
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This law doesn't mean a thing and it only applies to Tokyo. And also AFAIK mainly to said loli [twin slasher] etc material being aimed/sold towards minors.
And topic title was misleading. I was expecting a HakuMen reference.
Are you gonna use GUNDAMU to make everyone understand? Use some GN particles so that everyone stops going nuts!
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This law doesn't mean a thing and it only applies to Tokyo.
Tell that to everyone living in Tokyo who's still reeling from this.
And also AFAIK mainly to said loli [twin slasher] etc material being aimed/sold towards minors.
Wouldn't the more sensible thing be to punish all the distributors who willingly gave that [parasitic bomb] to minors?
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Wouldn't the more sensible thing be to punish all the distributors who willingly gave that [parasitic bomb] to minors?
Sadly, it doesn't always work that way. Sometimes you gotta nip stuff in the bud. Stopping the distributors doesn't completely stop people from giving pot to kids. (or anyone for that matter. I don't think anyone should have it. No double standards crap there) It is so much easier to go after the bastards that grow it. *shrugs* Same thing here... not that I'm implying they're doing anything just or not. I'm rather neutral on the situation myself.
The Old Codger really just represents old-land Japan. The one that went nuts from when the bombs fell. And well, I don't blame him for being off in the head after that. Not that any of that is an excuse either. But that's another political pie we won't touch at RPM, I'm sure. I know I won't.
In a non-political sense, it is like going after the people that sell alcohol to minors... if you arrest one person, kids will find someone else to buy you some alcohol. If girls want something that is... unobtainable for them, they can still obtain it via Enjo kōsai after all. *shrugs* Just gotta find someone who is lonely. Plenty of salarymen who are at the brink of their breaking point, or far beyond it.
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I'd like to think that after the distributors are dealt with, it's up to the parents to keep that material out of their kids' hands. It would be tough, but it'd be worth it...
buuuuut I'll bet that's not how it actually works either, is it?
Still, this is just horrible. At best, it'll just be 18th Amendment: The Sequel (doesn't work for [parasitic bomb], soon repealed); at worst, it'll actually work. I see lots of people and publishers moving out of Tokyo in the future.
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I'll just go ahead and repost this from the comment I made from deviantART:
I don't see the point why people whine about this? Even though Tokyo is a big city, it's pretty rare to see some crimes in different areas or locations in that town. I think the reason why they did this is because they have to protect children from harm and have to see violence and nudity in some Anime. The one thing I'm worried about is that they might not show Sailor Moon because it contains some fan service and nudity, and they might mark them as 18+. If they do that, they might as well create an rating system for both Anime and Manga (ex: TV-PG (For Anime) and R-12+ (For Manga)) like they did in the US.
Also, please don't say that Hentai is going to get banned, these are not affected by this Bill. This bill prevents children from buying mature materials that isn't suitable for them. We've been there, done that in the past, but Hentai isn't going to die. This only affects the "fan service" in Anime that has been showing for children (and probably teens).
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Now, when it comes to anime and manga, (mainly anime) Its true. It's all fan service, ecchi, and cutesy cutesy I just vomited a rainbow these days.
And thats the majority of what comes here. with a few buried gems in the mass. I like to think I dont think with my Z saber. I mean, if I want hentai or ecchi, I'll just go to Gelbooru. When I watch an anime, while the OCCASIONAL fanservice anime is alright, I prefer anime with reason beyond pantyshots. Im especially put off when a reasonably good manga gets decay-adapted into a fanservice anime. (Im lookin' at you, Rosario+Vampire..)
If this somehow affects that, then perhaps It wont be so bad. Or maybe it wont affect it at all, and simply change the age rating on those animes. (which wont make a difference anyway; Theres more than one way to obtain something you can't be sold normally.)
Only time will tell.
since you guys hate me so much
Aww, not at all.
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I think the reason why they did this is because they have to protect children from harm and have to see violence and nudity in some Anime.
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I'll just paraphrase what another fellow said on dA.
I am not saying rampant fanservice is a good thing. However, shutting children off from the outside world (in a sense) and making it illegal for them to try to see said outside world?
Bad. Very, very, very bad. Nobody who's been sheltered all their life (by parents or by media) just magically knows how to handle seeing violence, nudity/sex, and other things upon reaching legal age.
and I don't think it counts as whining when we have legitimate concerns about what this will do to Tokyo.
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Its already bad enough on US TV. Where things like violence and death, or God forbid...GASP- relationships in kids shows is shunned, or at least the IDEA is there. (which results in the crap 4kids does to anime.)
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Its already bad enough on US TV. Where things like violence and death, or God forbid...GASP- relationships in kids shows is shunned, or at least the IDEA is there. (which results in the crap 4kids does to anime.)
They showed these shows because none of those plots weren't good nowadays. Plus, Japan did a same thing with violence and deaths except it only for Anime and sometimes Live Action series. And no, they aren't not going to edit like 4Kids did. Original Anime series aren't like that when it comes to their own soundtracks and unannoying voice acting. These people are too good to be bad.
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Gotta say, I agree with Flame on this one really and...
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I'll just paraphrase what another fellow said on dA.
I am not saying rampant fanservice is a good thing. However, shutting children off from the outside world (in a sense) and making it illegal for them to try to see said outside world?
Bad. Very, very, very bad. Nobody who's been sheltered all their life (by parents or by media) just magically knows how to handle seeing violence, nudity/sex, and other things upon reaching legal age.
and I don't think it counts as whining when we have legitimate concerns about what this will do to Tokyo.
Seriously? While honestly, it should be at the parent's discretion to monitor what their children watch... should we just put whatever on the air then? Should we have no standards what-so-ever? I mean really... the majority of the crap out there right now is the ecchi anime or the cutesy stuff. I mean... if there was a decent Anime this season with any real sensibility this season, I totally missed it. RIGHT over my head.
There's so much crap on TV today that is pretending to be A-OK to watch but... ya know? Kids shouldn't watch a lot of the stuff that is out there. Yes, part of it is the parents' fault. A big part. But that doesn't mean we should just blindly put whatever we want on TV too. It's never been a one way street and if you delusion yourself into believing so, you're just as bad as the side that blames television for everything. Just saying.
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Seriously? While honestly, it should be at the parent's discretion to monitor what their children watch... should we just put whatever on the air then? Should we have no standards what-so-ever? I mean really... the majority of the crap out there right now is the ecchi anime or the cutesy stuff. I mean... if there was a decent Anime this season with any real sensibility this season, I totally missed it. RIGHT over my head.
Two things, 1)Define sensibility 2) Aren't most of the animes you're talking about late night shows? (example:Panty and Stocking)
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@Mr. Fence: I didn't mean to imply that we shouldn't have standards. I just don't think that stifling a medium like this (hell, TWO mediums) will do anything but create new problems.
Yes, I could stand for less cutesy crap. But guess what? Somebody pointed out that if such harsh and nebulous restrictions are put into place, Tokyo will get nothing BUT plotless fluffy moe [parasitic bomb] because everyone will be too afraid to do anything else.
And maybe even THAT won't be allowed. After all, rule 36.
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The one thing I'm worried about is that they might not show Sailor Moon because it contains some fan service and nudity
I hardly remember the fanservice and I don't recall sailor moon having nudity outside the transformation sequences.
If it does get a rating system (akin to their games), we might get actually decent anime here in the west, for a change, rememer: Japan got to have all the fun when anime was just introduced here with the likes of Gundam Wing, Samurai Pizza Cats, Voltron/Go Lion!, and the like before it went mainstream (well, almost, most of it's underground).
Very rarely an anime and manga does well enough here in the states for a decent amount of exposure, hence the magic men such as myazaki, shonen jump, tokyopop, bandai, among others. It also would make us feel good in highschool liking anime too, since there would be more in the states, than rattling in a cage that is Japan.
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@Mr. Fence: I didn't mean to imply that we shouldn't have standards. I just don't think that stifling a medium like this (hell, TWO mediums) will do anything but create new problems.
Yes, I could stand for less cutesy crap. But guess what? Somebody pointed out that if such harsh and nebulous restrictions are put into place, Tokyo will get nothing BUT plotless fluffy moe [parasitic bomb] because everyone will be too afraid to do anything else.
And maybe even THAT won't be allowed. After all, rule 36.
All the same, we should be afraid to try something at all? It goes both ways... again. If we're afraid to change something for the better, nothing good happens. If they're afraid to try and work WITH the laws set in place to help people... nothing good happens. Human weakness and fear is to blame, at least someone somewhere just maybe, has the balls to give it a shot. I understand the fear just as much as the next person, I don't fault them for being afraid of change. It is human nature to fear change just as much as it is the very nature of history TO change. Just as well though, never gonna know until we get there.
Two things, 1)Define sensibility 2) Aren't most of the animes you're talking about late night shows? (example:Panty and Stocking)
1: Any resemblance of logic and notion of trying to tell a serious story worth watching that isn't just pandering to the lowest denominator.
2: Not really. Especially not here in the US... not that that ENTIRELY applies to the whole point of this topic, before you take the kind notion of pointing that out, I'll do it for you. Just as well, not everyone goes to sleep at a reasonable hour. Put stuff on a specific channel maybe? My point is, there are other options than just ignoring the point because it satisfies your interests.
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1-If we include manga adaptations then yes, I can give you an example, if not I've got nothing.
2-My point with that is, if the shows that are not for kids air late at night then it's the same thing as complaining about Adult Swim there in the US for example, do you feel that way about that too?
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It's not just TV shows. It's Manga, it's stuff on store shelves. It's stuff that can be obtained by staying up simply a little later without mommy and daddy knowing. My point is... both parties (corporations, the suppliers and the parents) need to do something more effective.
Something more than twiddling their thumbs about it. This seems like a more fun way to do things. Well, not fun for all of us... but definitely interesting! At least potentially interesting.
At least they are trying, is my point. Which ironically, is supposed to be the true American way with these kinds of things. Trying to do something to bring about a better tomorrow. But liberality has taken a turn for the "retarded" and pretty much means "do whatever you want" these days. I dunno... I just think we should think a bit more. Think less inwardly and more outwardly. I guess this is the part where I turn into an eagle or something.
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If they're afraid to try and work WITH the laws set in place to help people... nothing good happens.
Problem is--though I hate to sound like a broken record--the laws are so vague and restrictive that not much can be done with them. It's just like the Hays Code and Comics Code Authority--artificial restrictions placed on a medium under which not much can be tried or done.
And I can hardly blame publishers for their concerns and fears since the punishment for not complying is having their reputations ruined by the government. (Or something like that)
(And maybe I'm just a liberal, but I don't like this "protect the children" bullshit. For all your restrictions and demands and whatnot, how are you going to prevent kids from being exposed to awful things in real life? Lock 'em up? Yeah, good luck with that...)
EDIT: I remembered something--for example, you can't try anything new in BL because BL is, AFAIK, not allowed. At all. (I know you don't care for BL, but just bear with me)
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Kids get exposed to enough "Real Life" bullshit when they go to school. I should know. I've been through more crap in my life in one year of Middle School than I have the entirety of my whole eff'n life. Public school is more or less structured this way.
People don't need TV and Manga to expose themselves to "lol IRL" when the crappy social structure of the inevitable education system will do everything you're pandering for. *shrugs* Just saying.
As for the law being vague... I know. It is vague. And again, I understand the ph33r. I stated that. ph33r is a part of being human after all. But... I still say we have to make attempts to do something. Vague or not, the political government isn't always out to get us.
And well honestly... growing up in a generally liberal home (not counting when I was raised by my grandmother) I realize the failures that come into play with that. Not counting "lol raep" I had sex for the first time at a very early age, when I really honestly... didn't have any business doing so. I don't regret my course in life, but I do regret that I didn't have both the parental guidance I needed from my mother as well as the proper protection from idiocy on both TV and in school.
LUCKILY I wasn't a [tornado fang]ing moron however, otherwise I'd be like most teenagers in my area. A baby's daddy, on drugs and gang banging.
Oh no, I had a sense of self, thankfully.
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A game journalist named Kiyoshi Shin wrote on his Twitter account that the reason video games weren’t included in this bill was thanks to the CERO rating system (here: http://twitter.com/kiyoshi_shin/status/13463440047734784).
Looks like the video games are safe since they got an CERO rating system.
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Looks like the video games are safe since they got an CERO rating system.
*looks at quote from Dan* Way to be redundant.
Though it begs the question of why a ratings system for anime and manga wasn't proposed or set up instead. Oh wait, Ishihara's a [tornado fang]ing idiot.
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The rating system is another example of an attempt to do something. It's a start, though I don't think it fixes things either to be honest. You know as well as I do that people bypass rating systems regularly. I played my first GTA when I was definitely too young to do so, for example.
Can't say if he knows that or not. Old Codger might not be capable of creative thought beyond his own world. Most people aren't. Liberal or Conservative really... Extremists on either side are close minded.
I'm kinda tickled really. The mod in me tells me I'm supposed to stop this and the other topic, but the member in me realizes this is some of the most interesting discussion I've had on RPM in a while.
I'll let someone else spoil the party if it REALLY needs to be.
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The rating system is another example of an attempt to do something. It's a start, though I don't think it fixes things either to be honest.
Neither does this law. Dad told me that everything it bans will just go underground, and thus nothing is fixed while new problems arise. Which is why you don't pass laws like this.
Man...I don't think I have the energy to keep arguing about this. This is just depressing as all hell.
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Which means we go in a circle. Because I'll counter with "So we do nothing because of the possibility nothing will change?" and all that.
It is depressing. But some people will keep trying. I'm proud of those people, because they still fight for what they believe in. Albeit many are misguided individuals, I still have respect for those who fight for what they believe in. Once you give up, you've already lost.
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And besides, this law might be temporary since the next Tokyo Government election doesn't start until 2013, which hopefully Ishihara won't be in the vote. Or I rather want him to resigned from being Government.
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Don't be so sure the next party wont keep it. We've already seen that it passed with no problem whatsoever, so it wouldn't surprise me if it sticks around for a long time. At least until some new manga or anime rises that challenges the vagueness of the law with material that would make actually DEFINING the law necessary. Unless some party uses "repealing the law" as a campaign point. (though it could be unlikely, its doable, under the "Its the parents job not the government's!" Idea... Which many politicians use. Hell, just look over the pond to the good ol' nameless US of A. Half the conservatives ALWAYS use some variation of that argument- usually "Its the citizens right, not the government!" )
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Well, I do see a point what you mean. I mean if the law doesn't take effect until mid-July of next year, the Anime series would still have fan service; hentai or not. But I'm worried that companies may filed for bankruptcy because of this new law, but I had a feeling that they might make big sales in the future since that law has nothing to do with it. And besides, let the citizens to buy manga because people don't give a [parasitic bomb] about this *cough*dumb*cough* law.
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If they file for bankruptcy just because of this, then its their own faults for relying majorly on fanservice.
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If they file for bankruptcy just because of this, then its their own faults for relying majorly on fanservice.
And I'm sure there's lots of non-fanservicey shows whose studios will go under, too.
And I doubt that not using fanservice will be enough to appease the higher-ups whose job it'll be to ruin the reputations of broadcasters and whatnot for not complying.
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I'm pretty sure that Myazaki still holds license because he is technically with Disney when it comes to producing his work stateside, and he lives elsewhere in Jap-Land.
So yeah, only oh-so few anime will be unnaffected. But look what goes under the radar while this [parasitic bomb]'s happenin': Live Reality Nipps! Whooops~
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http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2010-12-17/tokyo-governor/restricted-works-are-for-those-with-warped-dna
In the press conference, a representative from the Weekly Asahi news magazine noted that Ishihara said in his 1972 book True Sex Education that "no book of any sort could instigate children toward crime or delinquency and that even if all undesirable books were wiped off the planet, crime would still take place." When pressed about this, Ishihara responded that he was wrong at the time and the world is different now. He then characterized people who read and write the restricted material as "sad people with warped DNA."
Ishihara's writings before he became a politician have inspired a dōjinshi (self-published manga and other works) event next year. Opponents of Bill 156 contend that the content in Ishihara's novels, if made into anime or manga, would be restricted by the amendment.
This guy really just has no excuse. He's trying desperately (and failing hard,) to justify his law. Though by his OWN definition then, he himself has warped DNA. (also, notice how the comment could be particularly taken as anti-gay, considering his view of them.)
Welp, mr Shintaro Ishihara I think Buzz Lightyear said it best...
"You are a sad, strange little man. And you have my pity."
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I guess he would drop out of office before the new law kicked in and insanity would have gotten the better of him, considering how it sounded he was lost in the Island of Misfit Toys, after all.
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I was going to post that link; guess I'm too slow. XD;
Oh, and it gets worse. Remember those books that Ishihara wrote? Well, Sankaku Complex has some details on them...
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/12/17/ishihara-otaku-have-corrupt-dna/ (http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/12/17/ishihara-otaku-have-corrupt-dna/)
I am hardly surprised to learn that not only does he hate women (and I was considering visiting Japan someday, too...), but his novels inspired copycat crimes. And that he doesn't really give a [parasitic bomb] about any of that.
This (http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/12/20/outrage-as-politician-mocks-lady-mangaka-for-opposing-ban/) isn't related to Douchehara, but still terrible. Oh, and any opposition to the ban will be ignored.
I thought Japan was a democracy?..
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Even Democracies have their moments... Depends on who's large and in charge, as well as money and influence(s).
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Even Democracies have their moments... Depends on who's large and in charge, as well as money and influence(s).
Don't forget the occasional sane politician, although those can be quite rare these days. I have no idea what's going over there, but I guess japan's politics are either going nuts because of the ban and the "outrage", or something else. one of the two.
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This Ishihara guy is starting to sound a lot like Hitler. I know that this comparison is not rational, but it's the only one I have. :\
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Nah, I say its more like a Communist style thing. Control of the Media.
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I was going to post that link; guess I'm too slow. XD;
Oh, and it gets worse. Remember those books that Ishihara wrote? Well, Sankaku Complex has some details on them...
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/12/17/ishihara-otaku-have-corrupt-dna/ (http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/12/17/ishihara-otaku-have-corrupt-dna/)
I am hardly surprised to learn that not only does he hate women (and I was considering visiting Japan someday, too...), but his novels inspired copycat crimes. And that he doesn't really give a [parasitic bomb] about any of that.
This (http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/12/20/outrage-as-politician-mocks-lady-mangaka-for-opposing-ban/) isn't related to Douchehara, but still terrible. Oh, and any opposition to the ban will be ignored.
I thought Japan was a democracy?..
Well. First... not all democracies work the same and... Democracy is overrated anyway. America has proven this alone. Two, Looks like he is just as "genetically defective" as the perverts he hates. Or idiotic. Not sure which. Oh well, everyone has flaws I guess.
It doesn't really refute his opinion... As a self-proclaimed lolicon, I can say the majority of my "kind" are demented. I've seen a lot of pr0n and what have you in my day... a lot of it is more eff'd up than what I read in the article above. I mean really? Before anyone has anything to say... a lot of them probably have done or at least have fapped to or schlicked to or thought of worse things in their time. So... let us not be on our high horse, it's kinda silly to act like our [parasitic bomb] doesn't stink. Then we're just as bad as he is. And that's not cool.
Also... hah? Seriously? JAPAN has ALWAYS been sexist to the extreme towards women since days of old. There has never been a time in Japan where it was not sexist. The sexism isn't going anywhere. If you're going to Japan, get over that quickly or simply don't go. This one guy better not have ruined that for you because it was like that before him and long after him it will be like that. Come now, this is the motherland of Hentai. You can buy used panties in vending machines, SCHOOLGIRLS are made to wear sailor uniforms that are... quite revealing at times and buruma is a FETISH there. Not to mention for a long time you had to SQUAT to pee and it was common place for people to hide cameras in your toilets.
Let us not disregard the groping either. It's Japan. Come on.
And on my final note... reading this on Sankaku Complex and considering what he's said and the content of the site and the people that go there and the fact that well... let us face it, everyone here in this discussion is obviously gathering material from there... >_> He's not unreasonable. Sankaku Complex isn't exactly the most kosher part of society.
EXTRA MODE: So, I read some other stuff you've all been poking at.
“I received a lot of objections to the revision, but what caught my eye was this next one.
A lady calling herself the granddaughter of former Prime Minister Takeshita wrote to me, and she writes manga so she didn’t want any increased censorship.
The last thing I said to her was ‘Would you show these extreme manga to your grandpa [the former PM]? Write your manga using your own judgement as to whether your grandpa would be angry.’”
Yeah. So... Ya know? He points something very interesting out. In that, would you do something you're ashamed of? Should you? That's always something I've found interesting. There isn't a thing I do that I wouldn't be openly willing to state. Well, except maybe illegal downloads for obvious reasons, but nothing to my parents for instance. Not that I have parents that are that influential. I do better than they do.
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Yeah. So... Ya know? He points something very interesting out. In that, would you do something you're ashamed of? Should you?
It wasn't that she was ashamed of what she was doing for a living--it's that the politician who said that was humiliating her for opposing the ban.
Not cool.
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Because she was "doing something worthy of being humiliated" in her own eyes? or in the eyes of the ones who love her? Haha, not that I ever said he should've done that anywhere in there.
No, that wasn't my point at all. I was addressing something different altogether.
That was a dick move from any direction. Publicly, he had no right to display a private discussion, unless it had something to do with a political argument, and under that clause, protection of others privacy is a must.
Just the natural order of things.
But again, that is beside my point.
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I had a feeling that Ishihara is going to resign.
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I doubt it.