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Title: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Ramzal on October 01, 2010, 08:35:09 AM
Because of the lack of ability to put any opinion of the opposite in the other Megaman Legends 3 thread, and at fact of being -banned- for a week for it. I've decided to place a thread outside of main threads. While the game is not out yet and little critiquing can be done from that, there still can be the opposite opinion because that's...well, you know. Only fair. While I am glad that there is a Legends 3 in development, I find myself being brought back to Legends 1, and 2 along with my thoughts on the series itself. Besides it's ability to tell a story in game, it wasn't too great outside of carrying the name "Megaman." The controls were stiff, the textures were terrible while they could have been made better, and the gameplay was rugged. Honestly if it didn't have the title "Megaman" on it, it would not get the shine it does get now.

I'm also a bit surprised at the hype behind it around the forums. I do in fact get that we are all Megaman fans. I am too. I like the idea of Legends 3, without a doubt. However it's a bit strange that people are willing to shell out a large amount of cash for the system and the game alone for reason, given what kind of game it was if you would take the fan appeal out of it. Now, that is not to say that Legends 3 will be like the other two. While enjoyable, the game had more than enough problems than it's share and could have been made better on the second go-round. Capcom used the "if it isn't broke don't fix it" application it is known for. Personally, I am a bit worried this will carry on in the third game. While I understand that people are excited about a game they've waited years for, it seems that obsession has caused any other opinion to automatically be non-factual or irrelavent despite local evidence. For fan hype that's been around, I can personally say my anticipation for the game has decrease.

Not to sound in offense, it sounds as if there is a tinge of social pleasure from it. I understand, it is a game we've all been waiting for. I understand that we want it badly. However, I am disappointed with the fact that  it will not be coming out for a current generation console that cost plenty and more than enough revenue would be made. I am not attempting to crash the "Celebration" as it is cause (No offense, but it's a video game, guys. Common.) But I am merely stating my opinion and would like other -senseable- opinions whether they be agreeing with my own or against. Then again, this is the internet. No such thing as free speech depending on situation and location.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 01, 2010, 08:46:34 AM
Question. Do you own every system?

In fact, I'll throw this out there. Who here owns every current gen game system, handheld and console alike?

I do!
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: KoiDrake on October 01, 2010, 08:58:55 AM
Every game should be made for PC, that way I would have a slightly bigger chance to play any of these new stuff. Also, damn you PB :(
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Ramzal on October 01, 2010, 09:01:38 AM
Question. Do you own every system?

In fact, I'll throw this out there. Who here owns every current gen game system, handheld and console alike?

I do!

Actually, yes I do.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 01, 2010, 09:06:26 AM
Actually, yes I do.

So then we could get the game no matter what system it came out on. But what about those who don't own every system, like us? They'd have to shell out money for a new system anyway, no matter what system it came out on.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Ramzal on October 01, 2010, 09:13:00 AM
However the majority of gamers who decide to keep up with modern gaming have either a Wii or a Xbox 360/Ps3. And what about them? Do what is being done for "No more Heroes." or Spider-Man Shatterd Dimensions. Look at the Spiderman games in general. In public opinion, they tended to be not so great, however the recent succeeded highly and sold on multiple consoles while taking chances on whether or not anyone would even want the game after Web of Shadows. Release it on multiple consoles or announce the possibility of it being on multiple consoles in the future. Widen the spectrum of purchase to increase sale potential. It's a basic sales strategy. When you bring out a product that hasn't been touched in a long time, and only one reasonable way to get it, you are alienating out more of the people who could have it with current resources.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: MrBaryl on October 01, 2010, 09:17:37 AM
Im getting Legends 3 because it's a series that I like, not because it has the word "megaman" in it, even if it takes me months to get the console I'll know it is for something I want.

Damn, the controls were stiff yet I enjoyed both games, not counting my R2 and L2 buttons didn't worked! óVó
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 01, 2010, 09:22:41 AM
However the majority of gamers who decide to keep up with modern gaming have either a Wii or a Xbox 360/Ps3. And what about them? Do what is being done for "No more Heroes." or Spider-Man Shatterd Dimensions. Look at the Spiderman games in general. In public opinion, they tended to be not so great, however the recent succeeded highly and sold on multiple consoles while taking chances on whether or not anyone would even want the game after Web of Shadows. Release it on multiple consoles or announce the possibility of it being on multiple consoles in the future. Widen the spectrum of purchase to increase sale potential. It's a basic sales strategy. When you bring out a product that hasn't been touched in a long time, and only one reasonable way to get it, you are alienating out more of the people who could have it with current resources.

And they all own a DS or DSi, and they will all buy a 3DS, no matter if it's $250-$300.

Odds are, no matter what system Legends 3 game out on, it would have the same selling issues as most MegaMan games do.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Mirby on October 01, 2010, 09:23:09 AM
I have a DS Lite.

That is all I have.

And I'm happy with it. But I'd be willing to upgrade to a 3DS for this, and for many other games, simply because of the hardware and portability.

With that said, I'll try to stay out of this topic.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: MrBaryl on October 01, 2010, 09:28:38 AM
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I don't own any of those consoles and I can go and play a wii for 1 hour and play a lame game if I want to, that's why I always liked portable consoles instead of the home models, heck I got other stuff to spend money on.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Ramzal on October 01, 2010, 09:33:46 AM
And they all own a DS or DSi, and they will all buy a 3DS, no matter if it's $250-$300.

Odds are, no matter what system Legends 3 game out on, it would have the same selling issues as most MegaMan games do.

However, what if someone does not have a DS or DSi? And remembered Legends on the gaming platforms? It's kind of not fair to make that jump, however I can see why Capcom would not want to make a blue-ray game from the cost of it as well as changing the areas in Legends to high def would be a challange for Capcom, however DmC4 did so perfectly. However, who is to say that it will have most selling issues that most Megaman games have? It is possible that won't be an issue if it is advertised correctly and widely along with constant trailers, and good gameplay. Capcom needs to get Megaman's name out there like it did for MegaMan 9 for it to be successful.

Also, there's an issue I wanted to bring up before. The 3ds is under question of whether or not it will be safe for gaming at all. While watching 3d movies, people have mild senses of discomfort, headaches, dizziness or eye strain. In a game like Megaman, you are constantly being shot -at-. Light energy balls being shot at you. For a prolonged amount of time, that can put a large strain on the retina, rods and cones of your eyes with prolonged gameplay, namely without the use of 3d glasses which minimize that strain.


@BarylTDF:

That's one out of how many situations others have? Most buy home stations because they can play on their own time in comfort. Handhelds are cool because they are usable while on the go.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Mirby on October 01, 2010, 09:35:36 AM
The 3d issues are resolved with the slider that adjusts it, Ramzal. Miyamoto specifically requested that it be an analog slider for that very reason. Not everyone perceives images the same way, which is the issue with 3D movies. There is only one setting.

With the 3DS, one can adjust it in real-time and see the effects instantly. Or turn it off completely.

Thus, the problem is resolved.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: MrBaryl on October 01, 2010, 09:37:40 AM
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SOLD! and sonic stay away from me
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Ramzal on October 01, 2010, 09:44:07 AM
The 3d issues are resolved with the slider that adjusts it, Ramzal. Miyamoto specifically requested that it be an analog slider for that very reason. Not everyone perceives images the same way, which is the issue with 3D movies. There is only one setting.

With the 3DS, one can adjust it in real-time and see the effects instantly. Or turn it off completely.

Thus, the problem is resolved.

Actually...no. Miyamoto isn't exactly very good at biology obviously. >_> When there is energy or light projected, your eye adjusts to that light and it takes time. With 3d, it's multiple lights, colors and needless to say pop effects into it. Which requires your eyes to adjust either quicker or slower. If you were to have the 3ds at an angle that is not okay for your eyes, I am 100% sure you will receieve discomfort. If you adjust it, that is more time your eyes have to analyze it and adjust which comes with more discomfort than before. To go from 3d to no 3d in a blink of an eye will do at least a day in eye discomfort as well. Unless you have the eyes of Superman himself that is. So, why would you buy a system with the risk of direct discomfort due to multiple light source and more money for a game that may do it as well because constant LIGHT effects coming towards you would require your eyes to adjust. Answer: <MarsAlienFromInvaderZim> Because it's cool...


As proof. Hold a light to your eyes. Dim it or turn it on and back off rapidly for at least one minute. Constantly. If your eyes don't hurt, buy a 3ds.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Mirby on October 01, 2010, 09:46:26 AM
Question: have you tried the 3DS's analog slider yet? Has anyone?

We won't know how well it works until we try it for ourselves.

I'm sorry, but right now it seems to me like you're trying to point out all the possible flaws and/or failures of the 3DS and why a console would be a better choice for DASH 3 because of that. That's just how it seems to me.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Ramzal on October 01, 2010, 09:48:36 AM
Question: have you tried the 3DS's analog slider yet? Has anyone?

We don't know how well it works until we try it for ourselves.

A few guys have actually.

"Kotaku writers including myself tried the 3DS at E3. I played and played and viewed several enjoyable games and videos in 3D. While I noticed that a direct viewing angle was needed to appreciate the 3D effect, I did not experience any optical or physical discomfort. Others on the team said that one or another of the games did make them feel queasy if viewed from the wrong angle. Actively messing with the slider that controls the intensity of the system’s 3D effect by swiftly switching it up and down many times did leave one of our team members with a two-day eye ache. Moving it gently left another one of us with no such ailment. Most people I spoke to who had tried the system did not complain of discomfort, but none of us has played the 3DS for more than a few minutes."

Which the majority needing glasses due to eye degradation, your chances of discomfort increases. Also, as I said, try the light experiment. Why would I buy a system that makes me feel sick or discomfort? I want Legends 3, but I won't want it that much.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Quickman on October 01, 2010, 09:48:58 AM
Let's not forget those who are already photosensitive.  Flashing light patterns can trigger convulsions in some individuals, and if coupled with eye strain and discomfort that some receive from watching 3D movies, then that could be problematic when gamers suddenly drop to the ground in epileptic fits.

I have no plans to buy the 3DS at any time, as due to the gradual loss of my sight in my right eye, 3D effects are hit or miss at times.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 01, 2010, 09:56:25 AM
However, what if someone does not have a DS or DSi? And remembered Legends on the gaming platforms? It's kind of not fair to make that jump, however I can see why Capcom would not want to make a blue-ray game from the cost of it as well as changing the areas in Legends to high def would be a challange for Capcom, however DmC4 did so perfectly. However, who is to say that it will have most selling issues that most Megaman games have? It is possible that won't be an issue if it is advertised correctly and widely along with constant trailers, and good gameplay. Capcom needs to get Megaman's name out there like it did for MegaMan 9 for it to be successful.

Also, there's an issue I wanted to bring up before. The 3ds is under question of whether or not it will be safe for gaming at all. While watching 3d movies, people have mild senses of discomfort, headaches, dizziness or eye strain. In a game like Megaman, you are constantly being shot -at-. Light energy balls being shot at you. For a prolonged amount of time, that can put a large strain on the retina, rods and cones of your eyes with prolonged gameplay, namely without the use of 3d glasses which minimize that strain.

And what if they put it out on a PS3 or 360 and someone didn't own it? Same with the Wii. MegaMan games are, for the most part, going to sell primarily to us, the fans, and the rest will either pick it up or not, depending on how well Capcom markets it more so than the system it's on. If anything, Trigger being in TatsuCap & Tron being in MvC3 is a decent enough promotion as it is.

Honestly, if you think about it, it makes sense even from a marketing standpoint. The 3DS will sell a fuckton of systems no matter how much they charge for it, because gamers gonna have it. It also has no competition for its sales either, unless Sony comes out with the PSP2 for next year's E3.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Ramzal on October 01, 2010, 10:07:02 AM
And what if they put it out on a PS3 or 360 and someone didn't own it? Same with the Wii. MegaMan games are, for the most part, going to sell primarily to us, the fans, and the rest will either pick it up or not, depending on how well Capcom markets it more so than the system it's on. If anything, Trigger being in TatsuCap & Tron being in MvC3 is a decent enough promotion as it is.

Honestly, if you think about it, it makes sense even from a marketing standpoint. The 3DS will sell a fuckton of systems no matter how much they charge for it, because gamers gonna have it. It also has no competition for its sales either, unless Sony comes out with the PSP2 for next year's E3.

In that sense, an N-gage would have sold perfectly. At the time of it's release, others were not. But it failed. Mainly because not many people wanted the hardware. And even then, that's the case for anyone with any system, dude. It doesn't matter if it's DSi, Psp, Ps3, 360 or Wii. Not everyone has every system, true. However what about the people who don't want a 3ds but want Legends? Same story. At the end of the day, it's not avalible to anyone outside of the people who are willing to put their eyes or health at risk at this point. Namely if you don't have 20/20 vision. That's worse because your eyes can't absorb the light equally. And glasses? Say hello to magnified 3d light fed right to the retina. Soooo here's what is being looked at.


3ds:
Unkown Price
Possible retina damage
Possible rod and cone damage
Possible seizures.
Possible stomach sickness.
Not built well for people with one eye or unequal eyesight.
Magnified intensity of light through glasses, increasing the chance for damage.
Not good for people with one eye.

I don't think Megaman Legends 3 is really worth all that. Even at risk. I like the game, love it's release, but really? I like my eyes.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Gotham Ranger on October 01, 2010, 10:18:06 AM
I am disappointed in you who disappoints me.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Mirby on October 01, 2010, 10:19:51 AM
And that's why you can just opt to turn the 3D off.

Also, I don't think it was meant to move up and down quickly like that. Slowly is better for the change is more gradual. Of course there's possible damage to the eyes and stuff, but only if you use the hardware incorrectly.

Same with if you look at a laser light. Possible blindess due to using the product in a manner inconsistent with the original intent.

As for stomach sickness and the other things, back to my first sentence. That's why you can turn the 3D off.

As far as I know, the 3D is purely a visual gimmick. As such, it is completely optional for use.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Ramzal on October 01, 2010, 10:27:57 AM
If you can turn it off...why in the name of fire would you -buy- it then? It's a 3ds. Not a 2ds. You're buying it for the 3d effect. For that much they may as well release a copy for the DSi. And I agree that moving it up and down would be better gradually, however that doesn't change much. Your eyes still have to adjust and it's no different than staring into a lightbulb while dimming it slowly. And as I stated before, users of it did turn it downward to adjust it. However, I doubt they were so dumb to constantly change it quickly, but rather slowly to see the difference and still felt the effects. The 3d glasses are made to protect you from such effects to a degree, however not perfectly. I'm guess I am picking at the 3ds's flaws in opposition as to why it should be on current consols. It's the best arguement there is. I am certainly not going to hate the idea just to hate it. That's stupid.

However I am not going to love the idea of getting the game and the 3ds simply because it's new and different.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 01, 2010, 10:28:28 AM
In that sense, an N-gage would have sold perfectly. At the time of it's release, others were not. But it failed. Mainly because not many people wanted the hardware. And even then, that's the case for anyone with any system, dude. It doesn't matter if it's DSi, Psp, Ps3, 360 or Wii. Not everyone has every system, true. However what about the people who don't want a 3ds but want Legends? Same story. At the end of the day, it's not avalible to anyone outside of the people who are willing to put their eyes or health at risk at this point. Namely if you don't have 20/20 vision. That's worse because your eyes can't absorb the light equally. And glasses? Say hello to magnified 3d light fed right to the retina. Soooo here's what is being looked at.

LoL, you cannot compare an N-Gage to an actual gaming system. It was doomed to fail from the beginning, just like the PSPGo! or the Virtual Boy. And those people who want Legends 3 but don't want a 3DS are going to suffer. That's how it works. What if someone wanted Halo but doesn't want a 360, due to the glaring problems it had when it came out? Exclusives are exclusives, no matter how you look at it.

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3ds:
Unkown Price
Possible retina damage
Possible rod and cone damage
Possible seizures.
Possible stomach sickness.
Not built well for people with one eye or unequal eyesight.
Magnified intensity of light through glasses, increasing the chance for damage.
Not good for people with one eye.

I don't think Megaman Legends 3 is really worth all that. Even at risk. I like the game, love it's release, but really? I like my eyes.

Honestly, this topic should be named Disappointment with 3DS, since that's your main complaint. Fear of the 3DS.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Ramzal on October 01, 2010, 10:36:31 AM
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LoL, you cannot compare an N-Gage to an actual gaming system. It was doomed to fail from the beginning, just like the PSPGo! or the Virtual Boy. And those people who want Legends 3 but don't want a 3DS are going to suffer. That's how it works. What if someone wanted Halo but doesn't want a 360, due to the glaring problems it had when it came out? Exclusives are exclusives, no matter how you look at it.

The N-gage, Pspggo!, virtual boys' were all gaming systems. They all have their own reasons for failing, truthfully, but they all had not competition at the time is the point. And yes, exclusives are exclusives. However the jump from platform to 3ds is a huge one. Halo did jump to PC from 360, however it was still for the 360 mainly for the main series. Smart move by Bungie. Rather than trying to make a portable Xbox and then releasing a Halo game for it.

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Honestly, this topic should be named Disappointment with 3DS, since that's your main complaint. Fear of the 3DS.

The jump to 3ds is what is important as Inafune has shown and announced. If it weren't then I wouldn't be having this discussion. I don't fear a 3ds. I am pretty sure I can reduce it to it's basic elements after three to five hours in a lab. :D I do however think my eyesight and health > Legends 3. I am not willing to go and bring harm to myself just to play a video game. By the way, how's that putting your eyes to a light for a minute straight while flicking the light on and off going? It's about the same effect.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 01, 2010, 10:49:47 AM
The N-gage, Pspggo!, virtual boys' were all gaming systems. They all have their own reasons for failing, truthfully, but they all had not competition at the time is the point. And yes, exclusives are exclusives. However the jump from platform to 3ds is a huge one. Halo did jump to PC from 360, however it was still for the 360 mainly for the main series. Smart movie by Bungie. Rather than trying to make a portable Xbox and then releasing a Halo game for it.

No, they pretty much have the same reason for failing: nothing to offer the majority. And how is it huge? It's jumping to a system which is guaranteed to sell millions.

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The jump to 3ds is what is important as Inafune has shown and announced. If it weren't then I wouldn't be having this discussion. I don't fear a 3ds. I am pretty sure I can reduce it to it's basic elements after three to five hours in a lab. :D I do however think my eyesight and health > Legends 3. I am not willing to go and bring harm to myself just to play a video game. By the way, how's that putting your eyes to a light for a minute straight while flicking the light on and off going? It's about the same effect.

Clearly you do fear the 3DS, or rather the damage it's going to do to your eyes. The problem isn't the game, it's you. I have no problem with 3D, or especially with a system with which we don't know fully how it's going to look, even though last I heard the vast, vast majority of people who covered it at E3 and so on said it looked phenomenal.

Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Gotham Ranger on October 01, 2010, 10:51:24 AM
Am I the only one who couldn't care less about the 3D in the 3DS and will probably have it turned off most of the time and am more interested in the fan-[tornado fang]ing-tastic line up of games already announced?

Just wondering.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Mirby on October 01, 2010, 10:53:43 AM
Am I the only one who couldn't care less about the 3D in the 3DS and will probably have it turned off most of the time and am more interested in the fan-[tornado fang]ing-tastic line up of games already announced?

Just wondering.
No, I like the idea of 3D, but that's minor. I'm with you on this.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 01, 2010, 10:54:08 AM
Am I the only one who couldn't care less about the 3D in the 3DS and will probably have it turned off most of the time and am more interested in the fan-[tornado fang]ing-tastic line up of games already announced?

Just wondering.

Actually I'm very interested in the technology they're promoting regarding glasses-less 3D. The fan-[tornado fang]ing-tastic line up of games help as well.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Mirby on October 01, 2010, 10:55:38 AM
Well the scholarly side of me wants to know of the technology.

But the gamer side of me, which more often than not supercedes the scholar, doesn't care and is happy about the lineup.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 01, 2010, 10:59:34 AM
Why would the gamer side not be interested too? If Sharp's technology works, they will most likely be implementing this into their TV's shortly, with a promotion of glasses-less 3D entertainment which you can shut on or off. If this works as well as it should, then you can be sure the majority of new TV's that will be coming out in the next 3-5 years are going to all have this option, and so will games from all 3 main competitors.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Mirby on October 01, 2010, 11:01:03 AM
The gamer side of me had not considered that possibility, and is now intrigued as well.

The scholarly side nods in agreement.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Ramzal on October 01, 2010, 11:02:16 AM
No, they pretty much have the same reason for failing: nothing to offer the majority. And how is it huge? It's jumping to a system which is guaranteed to sell millions.

Clearly you do fear the 3DS, or rather the damage it's going to do to your eyes. The problem isn't the game, it's you. I have no problem with 3D, or especially with a system with which we don't know fully how it's going to look, even though last I heard the vast, vast majority of people who covered it at E3 and so on said it looked phenomenal.

Wrong again. The game is being released on the system, which I agree I do not like the risks nor how I feel after 3d is shot to my eyes. It's not even the -system- it's the science behind it. Basic biology information can tell you the dangers of it, along with playing Legends--a game with CONSTANT lights heading at you....all I can say is bye bye eyes. I was tempted with OoT when I first heard about it. No doubt. With this? No. Way. Which is why I say that I would prefer it to be on a gaming station that is common and around. Financial risk minimized, no chance of a law suit happening, and less blind people in the world or seizures from playing legends 3.

@Gotham: If it's not going to use the function it's sold for than why buy it? That's like buying a game but turning off the sound as soon as you get it. The gameplay is fun but you can't hear any of the music. For that much--without the 3D function, they may as well just released these games on the DSi. Or hey, released Legends 3 on a -system-.  I don't care for 3d at all. However I am not going to buy a system and not use the intended purpose of it. I'm sorry, that just seems like a waste of money, no matter how much I love the idea of Legends 3 and want it.

I've already explained the technologyTalyn. If you want a vast explaination, I would be happy to explain to you exactly HOW 3d light effects are used.


@pb: "Watching a 3D TV can reportedly cause “an epileptic seizure or stroke,” and the following symptoms should be watched out for, “(1) altered vision; (2) lightheadedness; (3) dizziness; (4) involuntary movements such as eye or muscle twitching; (5) confusion; (6) nausea; (7) loss of awareness; (8) convulsions; (9) cramps; and/or (10) disorientation.”

Then there is the “motion sickness, perceptual after effects, disorientation, eye strain, and decreased postural stability,” and possible “damage [to] your eyesight.”
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Yep. 3d tv. Worth it. So very very worth it despite all of this.  O:<
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Mirby on October 01, 2010, 11:04:35 AM
Ramzal, I was directing my tech comments at PB, not you.

And how many people buy things that have one feature and don't use it for that feature?

Say, buy a PS2 and don't use it to watch movies. My brother does that.

Or buy a car with mp3 player connectivity and don't use that. It's been done before.

Or get a phone with all these apps, but don't use it for the games. Also done before.

Yes, you have a valid point in that buying something that has a certain feature and not using it can be pointless, but there are thousands, if not millions, of people that do just that. And don't really care.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 01, 2010, 11:11:09 AM
Wrong again. The game is being released on the system, which I agree I do not like the risks nor how I feel after 3d is shot to my eyes. It's not even the -system- it's the science behind it. Basic biology information can tell you the dangers of it, along with playing Legends--a game with CONSTANT lights heading at you....all I can say is bye bye eyes. I was tempted with OoT when I first heard about it. No doubt. With this? No. Way. Which is why I say that I would prefer it to be on a gaming station that is common and around. Financial risk minimized, no chance of a law suit happening, and less blind people in the world or seizures from playing legends 3.

No no, I'm still right. In fact, you just proved my point. The science behind the system is still the system. It is its main selling point, just like motion control gaming was with the Wii, and it is that revolutionary ideal which is going to sell the system and all the science-y mysticism behind it. Also, have you considered the fact that maybe, just maybe, Sharp and Nintendo have factored in people with your eyesight? You know, that they have some test groups and such that they bring in to their testing areas before they venture forth into their new technological dream idea that's coming out? Or that maybe some of the many many people who have already praised the visuals after seeing first hand are also not comfortable with 3D and perhaps have eyesight as "3Dangerous" as yours? I mean, I'm pretty sure they all don't have many flawlessly awesome vision! XD

@pb: "Watching a 3D TV can reportedly cause “an epileptic seizure or stroke,” and the following symptoms should be watched out for, “(1) altered vision; (2) lightheadedness; (3) dizziness; (4) involuntary movements such as eye or muscle twitching; (5) confusion; (6) nausea; (7) loss of awareness; (8) convulsions; (9) cramps; and/or (10) disorientation.”

Then there is the “motion sickness, perceptual after effects, disorientation, eye strain, and decreased postural stability,” and possible “damage [to] your eyesight.”
"
Yep. 3d tv. Worth it. So very very worth it despite all of this.  O:<

And again, which is why they give you the option to slide it off. See, options are good things. It means that even if people like you do get symptoms from this, there's still the option to turn it off. There's also the option of not buying it for fear of said side effect.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Gotham Ranger on October 01, 2010, 11:18:57 AM
Ramzal, you're worried about strain on your eyes. So much so, you seem willing to pass up the Legendary (PUN!) DASH 3.

Yet right from the beginning, Nintendo has a BUILT IN SOLUTION. The ABILITY TO TURN 3D OFF. Dear christ, what? Unbelievable!

So no, I don't see a problem here. Unlike a touch screen, I don't think it's possible for 3D to be necessary for gameplay, just a factor of "oooo" and "aaaaah" much like it is for movies. If it is, holy [parasitic bomb], color me shocked. I don't see it, though.

So... What's the problem here?
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 01, 2010, 11:26:23 AM
The problem is that if he's not going to use it 3DS for the 3D aspect, he sees no point in buying it, and so he's going to miss out on Legends 3.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Aresian on October 01, 2010, 11:38:30 AM
OK. Two things... because as a general idea, this topic is a travesty to me. OK, so, one. I agree with some of Ramzal's worries. 3D crap makes me nauseous. Because of this, I do worry about the 3DSes functions... I have enough things that give me motion sickness in life. So, I'm glad it has an off switch, least my gameplay be limited.

That said, point two.

RPM was ORIGINALLY dedicated to LEGENDS specifically, everything else SECONDARY. You MORONS are starting to make me raise an eyebrow. Yes, fairness is cute and all and I'm all for it where it is relevant, but goodness... THIS IS TO BE EXPECTED! And while it was clunky to some, horrible to others, for those of us who are die hards for it, it was BEAUTIFUL. I had NO complaints about the controls and what have you... but before I get sidetracked, I'll finish this POV. Either accept it for what it is, or ship out. No questions asked, I'll close the [tornado fang]ing doors on ya.

However. In defense again of Ramzal... what the hell? You were banned for a week? When and where did this happen, because that is BULLSHIT as well. I've seen people waltz around RPM that should be banned for FAR WORSE than something like that. So I want to get the details on that. ASAP.

That said, I'm done with this topic, for while as a moderator it has my moderation, as a member, it lacks my interest.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Mirby on October 01, 2010, 11:40:07 AM
Ares, first off. There is an off button. Turn the slider down all the way before turning the 3DS on and BAM! no 3D effect.

And secondly, he's complaining about Jelly's threat to ban people for a week if they kept arguing in the announcement topic.
So new rule, everyone in here that airs out a tepid complaint after this post over platform choice, says something that I can categorize as "herpa derp I'mma recycle /v/'s tired arguments - $300! Portable! loldash/legends", or mentions the forum's relevant BGM (although at the very least, I'll agree with some of you and your comments on an optional play/pause feature JUST for the sake of being understanding -- I love this personally) is getting a week long stay at "off the [tornado fang]ing forum".
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Aresian on October 01, 2010, 11:47:56 AM
I editted my post accordingly to the off function. Nintendo admittedly is very smart, they don't do things half assed, most of the time.

Now, in my rebuttal, I'm glad that he wasn't really banned. His post was very confusing in that department. I am more respectful of an official warning than an outright ban without. As much as I get tired of the ceaseless bitching and the buzz kills that honestly... should just log out of the forum, go outside and get some damn air... I also think there are a lot of others that need to be banned for a lot worse, and yet, they get away with it.

Oh well. I'm done with this. Have fun gaiz.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Flame on October 01, 2010, 02:44:58 PM
Guys, its obvious there is really only ONE true solution to this.
(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4272/sonyplaystationpsx.jpg)

RPM was ORIGINALLY dedicated to LEGENDS specifically, everything else SECONDARY. 
Really? wow that actually explains a lot.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Jericho on October 01, 2010, 06:13:47 PM
Because of the lack of ability to put any opinion of the opposite in the other Megaman Legends 3 thread, and at fact of being -banned- for a week for it. [...] Then again, this is the internet. No such thing as free speech depending on situation and location.

Oh God, no you didn't... Of all the people in the world you could indirectly cite as being against the idea of back and forth discussions, you chose me? XD

I'll get this out out quickly. First off, in case I haven't been clear, my move in the initial DASH/Legends topic was more of a clear out approach to dealing with people who are going to regurgitate FUD and stick to it like it's the [tornado fang]ing bible. As of now, the price for the 3DS is undetermined for every region that isn't Japan, therefore complaining about a $300 conversion price is not a valid or strong foundation for the "I'm against 3DS" camp, UNLESS you live in Japan or plan to buy a Japanese 3DS. Secondly, in a discussion thread, you have every right to be for or against a certain topic, thus creating an actual discussion. However, this is your post:

You know, as glad as I am that Legends 3 is coming out, it is retarded to put it out on the 3ds. First of all, it's a 300 dollar system. Considering the fact that it's so expensive and for what it is--a series that is largely forgotten in most gaming backgrounds, most people's attention will be towards Loz OOT release, MGS:3 and so forth to the point where Legends won't make that many sales. Sure, die hard Megaman fans will buy it at first, but in general the masses will not bother. It's going to be the same story as to what happened with Megaman Maverick Hunter X. Unless this game is so great that it will put all other Capcom games to shame. Mark my words. It would have been smarter to put it on on systems that people already have (Wii, Ps3, and 360) than to do this. And namely since there's an idea that the minimum wage will jump again lately, gaming prices will increase soon too. So don't be surprised if you are paying $400 for just the 3ds and Legends 3.

Let's go through this as briskly as possible:

- Why exactly is it retarded to put it on the 3DS, a system that has been gathering an unprecedented amount of hype and enthusiasm from both gamers and developers? What is it that makes it so retarded in Ramzal land as opposed to Capcom HQ where most everyone talking about the little handheld that could have stated that not only is the little system plenty capable enough to do this thing the right way (See Inafune's comments on MT Framework being designed with Legends/DASH in mind and the comments about how well the engine scales onto the 3DS) but was the best fit in terms of getting it out to a new audience?

- Define forgotten. When most Capcom cameo games have at least one DASH character in them, Famitsu's "Game Series You Want A Sequel to most" column ALWAYS has DASH ranking within the highest percentile, and a decently strong Megaman fanbase in the US has clamored to Inafune over a new installment, on top of potential new sales from newcomers to 3DS looking for some good new content, I see a situation where DASH has more than enough publicity as well as a chance to shine like never before.

- The game is coming out in a time frame on the 3DS where quality efforts and content will still be in the nurturing stages. Legends/DASH 3 making the first year of 3DS' library life guarantees that consumer interest will be there since the library will be full of unproven and untested efforts, whereas Legends, or hell the Megaman name itself is certain to catch someone's interest thanks to its legacy.

- What kind of jump in logic leads you to believe that a raising of the minimum wages for the working people will lead to a $100 price jump on the system by it's launch? First off, I seriously cannot believe that this was in any way necessary to make as a point for a gaming forum devoted to Megaman games, but I'll bite since I love to dabble in different things simultaneously. Secondly, that point you raised is still irrelevant given the key detail you missed -- 3DS HAS NOT BEEN GIVEN A PRICE OUTSIDE OF JAPAN. Therefore, any price adjustments you did to get that figure are wholly based on a unproven foundation.

In short, I don't discourage discussion. I love promoting it. What I absolutely hate hate HATE is getting misinterpreted or people using FUD as a crux to their own arguments. Should the 3DS be $300 USD, then I too will resonate with your opinions in my own way, but making a conclusion based on what we have, especially given that this is a company that has been known to undercharge in their currency conversions for other countries and understand the price ceilings for certain goods, doesn't feel like a satisfactory conclusion.

Oh and since I have your initial post up in another tab to read through yet again to really get into this, what's with this "it's a video game, come on guys" nonsense? You're kinda reminding me of this:

(http://imgur.com/dIWti.jpg)

So long as everyone is in respectable limits and keeps themselves in line, enthusiasm should never be dampened because one person finds something more trivial than another does. I can't for the life of me understand why people love watching sports as opposed to playing them, but I'll be damned to [parasitic bomb] on their parade with the equivalent of your comment towards the people who are happy for a new Legends game. ("I know the Knicks just made the playoffs for the first time in like ever, but seriously guys, it's just basketball, come on.")

Last, but not least, I think this one should really go without saying, but 10 years worth of time off to pop back up in this day and age and you have worries about Legends 3 not being up to par with modern games? That's the last thing on my mind personally, Capcom's gonna knock this one out of the park, the only question I have currently is how far it's going to go. :P
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Zan on October 01, 2010, 07:30:19 PM
Quote
If it's not going to use the function it's sold for than why buy it?

The SOLE reason to buy a new console is because it is more powerful and replaces the preceding one for all newer game releases. Gimmicks like touch screen and 3D are just additional selling points. So why can't people just want the 3DS because it's a more powerful DS that will be having all new games on it?
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: VixyNyan on October 01, 2010, 07:36:35 PM
I wanted 3DS because of Kid Icarus (http://forum.rockmanpm.com/index.php?topic=4837.0) (and so many other games)! Legends 3 made me love the 3DS even more than before~ <3
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Gaia on October 01, 2010, 07:42:30 PM
Well, guess I'll have to put this in here then..

Quote from: Gaia on May 06, 2010, 11:30:32 PM
One mention of LEGENDS and everyone goes batshit.  :\

I wanted 3DS because of Kid Icarus (http://forum.rockmanpm.com/index.php?topic=4837.0) (and so many other games)! Legends 3 made me love the 3DS even more than before~ <3

I'd like to see what other 3DS titles will come after this. The only thing I'm worried about is another cliffhanger, capcom's notorious for that.  XD
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Jericho on October 01, 2010, 07:53:41 PM
Well, guess I'll have to put this in here then..

See, this kinda stuff is old, annoying, and offers nothing new to this discussion or any other. We get it, Legends riles us up. Now please shut up and let us proceed with being riled up. :P

I wanted 3DS because of Kid Icarus (http://forum.rockmanpm.com/index.php?topic=4837.0) (and so many other games)! Legends 3 made me love the 3DS even more than before~ <3

It's seriously such a good time to be a gamer. 8)
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Mirby on October 01, 2010, 08:00:21 PM
It really is.

I know you've said it before, Jelly, but now all we need is StarTropic 3DS. :D
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Gaia on October 01, 2010, 08:15:59 PM
See, this kinda stuff is old, annoying

Blame a cow for going kbonkers over L3's tiny little tidbits. XD

I actually am wee hyped for L3, but not to the point of debate over the 3DS' secret capabilities. The way I see it, the 3DS is practically the "Mega Man X" of the consoles.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Mirby on October 01, 2010, 08:21:08 PM
The way I see it, the 3DS is practically the "Mega Man X" of the consoles.
Wait. THEN WHERE ARE THE ARMOR CAPSULES?!?
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Acid on October 01, 2010, 08:22:03 PM
Wait. THEN WHERE ARE THE ARMOR CAPSULES?!?

Available separately.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Mirby on October 01, 2010, 08:22:54 PM
CURSES!!!

Let's just hope the 3DS doesn't puss out and not want to fight anymore. ;)
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Gaia on October 01, 2010, 08:23:07 PM
Wait. THEN WHERE ARE THE ARMOR CAPSULES?!?

In the form of accessories, dear. You know better that a certain group of folks will make them sooner or later, like they did with the DS series of consoles. 8D
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Mirby on October 01, 2010, 08:25:39 PM
HEAD CAPSULE - Increases graphics processing
ARM CAPSULE - Increases sound processing (top screen has speakers)
LEG CAPSULE - Increases touch screen responsiveness
BODY CAPSULE - Boosts CPU power
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 01, 2010, 08:41:55 PM
The SOLE reason to buy a new console is because it is more powerful and replaces the preceding one for all newer game releases. Gimmicks like touch screen and 3D are just additional selling points. So why can't people just want the 3DS because it's a more powerful DS that will be having all new games on it?

Because that would make.....sense?
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Nicole Claris on October 01, 2010, 08:56:21 PM
I'll be honest with everyone, I never played Legends or Kid Icarus. In fact, of the games I have seen coming for the 3ds currently, there is no game I am 'OMGAWD YES'ing about. I'm just not excited about it yet. (Yes even the pokemon game have me 'eh'ing because I have a hard time getting into new gens.)

But I'm happy for Ares. I'm happy to see him happy about it.

I know some 3ds games I want will come out eventually. Something that interests me, or I'll even play his Legends or Kid Icarus for the hell of it.

But I'm not exploding about it. And I still think a lot of the hate is directly a result of the hype. Not even most of the complaints are even about the game. Someone just has to be different.

Let people be happy. Save the complaints for when the damn thing comes out. Heck I'm sure even some of the people singing it's praises will complain then. But at least the game will be out. Or hell even the console to be out and priced.  ::)

Just my opinion.

Edit:

The SOLE reason to buy a new console is because it is more powerful and replaces the preceding one for all newer game releases. Gimmicks like touch screen and 3D are just additional selling points. So why can't people just want the 3DS because it's a more powerful DS that will be having all new games on it?

I was thinking the same thing when I read this thread last night. It's not like the 3ds is just a DS with 3d abilities. I don't know the exact stuff in it, mind you, but I'm sure it is improved in all the important ways like the DS was over the GBA (other than touch screen).
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Mirby on October 01, 2010, 08:58:08 PM
Let people be happy. Save the complaints for when the damn thing comes out. Heck I'm sure even some of the people singing it's praises will complain then. But at least the game will be out. Or hell even the console to be out and priced.  ::)

Just my opinion.
Thank you! That's what I've been trying to say. In part.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Blackhook on October 01, 2010, 09:00:51 PM
I won't be getting it anyway. I just want to see the story continue.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Flame on October 01, 2010, 09:16:19 PM
I was tempted to pull a Kanye on the 3DS, but yknow what, I wont.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 01, 2010, 09:28:02 PM
For me, the 3DS is perfect. I need a new DS anyway, cause I'm still using the original, and I was going to upgrade anyway to the DSi XL, before hearing the "NEW DS TO BE SHOWN AT E3" rumor which turned out to be the very same 3DS we're talking about right now. So now I get a brand new system, and in glorious 3D, with Wi-Fi galore and power over millions.

LoL, by the time it comes out, I will hopefully have a much more steady job so that I can upgrade my Verizon phone plan to a data plan, get that free Verizon Mi-Fi spot thingy with the upgrade, and thus have INTERNET EVERYWHERE!

...But yeah, Kid Icarus looks fan-[tornado fang]ing-tastic. IN FACT LETS WATCH THE TRAILER AGAIN!

Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Jericho on October 01, 2010, 09:33:36 PM
Blues, I think you just got the best post transition achievement just now. XD

*watches trailer*
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Hypershell on October 01, 2010, 09:40:00 PM
@pb: "Watching a 3D TV can reportedly cause “an epileptic seizure or stroke,” and the following symptoms should be watched out for, “(1) altered vision; (2) lightheadedness; (3) dizziness; (4) involuntary movements such as eye or muscle twitching; (5) confusion; (6) nausea; (7) loss of awareness; (8) convulsions; (9) cramps; and/or (10) disorientation.”

Then there is the “motion sickness, perceptual after effects, disorientation, eye strain, and decreased postural stability,” and possible “damage [to] your eyesight.”
"
Yep. 3d tv. Worth it. So very very worth it despite all of this.  O:<
You, sir, are as paranoid as Sheldon Cooper.  The exact same thing is said of ordinary video games due to light sensitivity conditions.  The 3DS will not burn away anyone's retina.  It will irritate a small minority of people in the same manner that small screens period, and video games period, do.  This isn't even exclusive to electronics; some people can tolerate reading in a car, and others cannot.  Whether you have previously demonstrated sensitivity to one particular light/motion condition doesn't say how sensitive you will be to another.  Common sense mandates that for the sake of one's health, one must pay attention to their body's own signs regarding individual tolerances.

That is why the 3D can be turned off (well, that and it forbids over-the-shoulder viewing, I guess).

The SOLE reason to buy a new console is because it is more powerful and replaces the preceding one for all newer game releases. Gimmicks like touch screen and 3D are just additional selling points. So why can't people just want the 3DS because it's a more powerful DS that will be having all new games on it?
This.  You know why I bought a DS?  Because it had [tornado fang]ing SUPER MARIO 64 WITH YOSHI IN IT.  That's it.  I did not give a rat's ass that it had two screens.  The touch screen was neither the savior nor death of gaming.  It was just some nifty extra.

The 3D has me intrigued.  But if ViewMaster gaming makes me nauseous, and I have to shut it off, then even in 2D it'll still be a new, powerful Nintendo handheld with a kickass game selection.

I wanted 3DS because of Kid Icarus (http://forum.rockmanpm.com/index.php?topic=4837.0) (and so many other games)! Legends 3 made me love the 3DS even more than before~ <3
Same.  Watching the trailer again now. 8)
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Mirby on October 01, 2010, 09:42:16 PM
Blues, I think you just got the best post transition achievement just now. XD

*watches trailer*
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y194/dakirbymaster/achievement.png)
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Flame on October 02, 2010, 12:52:58 AM
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y194/dakirbymaster/achievement.png)
is there a "You win" Achievement? Because you just unlocked it Mirby. XD
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: nobody on October 02, 2010, 01:41:37 AM
RPM was ORIGINALLY dedicated to LEGENDS specifically, everything else SECONDARY.

Yes, ORIGINALLY. That would imply it isn't anymore, no?

I was tempted to pull a Kanye on the 3DS, but yknow what, I wont.

I'm glad you didn't because that would be stupid.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Mirby on October 02, 2010, 01:47:18 AM
Yes, ORIGINALLY. That would imply it isn't anymore, no?
No, it still is dedicated to Legends. But now the other series have taken equal precedence as well.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: nobody on October 02, 2010, 01:50:50 AM
No, it still is dedicated to Legends. But now the other series have taken equal precedence as well.
I believe you just contradicted yourself.

Besides, I doubt its doing a very good job of being a site of being dedicated to DASH is half the members don't even know that.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Mirby on October 02, 2010, 01:52:23 AM
half the members weren't even around for that. More than half. You included, so maybe you should stop acting like you know how the site works when you are still a relative noob compared to the rest of us here.

As for contradiction, no no no. You misunderstand me. If this wasn't still a Legends-dedicated site, we wouldn't have the background we have, now would we? It would've been changed to something more universal, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Acid on October 02, 2010, 01:53:31 AM
You two.

Zip it.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: nobody on October 02, 2010, 01:55:07 AM
Very well.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 02, 2010, 01:57:01 AM
half the members weren't even around for that. More than half. You included, so maybe you should stop acting like you know how the site works when you are still a relative noob compared to the rest of us here.

...................

You weren't around for it either.  Follow your own advice. Also, do what Acid says.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Mirby on October 02, 2010, 01:57:44 AM
I had planned on that being my last post in the argument anyways.

And I know I wasn't; I never meant to imply I was.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 02, 2010, 02:04:16 AM
And yet you did because you clearly don't think about what you say or what you type when you say or type it. This isn't the first argument I've seen you get into without any knowledge of. In fact, it's not the first argument I've seen you get into without any knowledge in the past 2 days.

However, it better be the last. Do I make myself [tornado fang]ing clear?
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Mirby on October 02, 2010, 02:06:29 AM
Yes, sir.

meep
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Phi on October 02, 2010, 02:10:04 AM
This thread was all too expected. For something this big, it was bound to happen. :P

Requesting lock, if needed.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: nobody on October 02, 2010, 02:14:42 AM
Another thread will just show up.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Sub Tank on October 02, 2010, 02:21:25 AM
Why is this thread so popular?
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 02, 2010, 02:21:58 AM
Why is this thread so popular?

I prefer your thread personally.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Acid on October 02, 2010, 02:24:49 AM
Requesting lock, if needed.

Request granted.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Aresian on October 02, 2010, 07:03:20 AM
Wow... I could say a whole lot about how disappointed I am at a few people right now.

Locked or not, I will say this... SuperSonic77, watch it.

As far as I'm concerned, and I am someone who was here since the [tornado fang]ing beginning.

RPM is a Megaman Legends/Rockman DASH fandom PRIMARILY. No matter how many of you newer members show up. Some things don't change, so act accordingly.

Note: Stop hazing Mirby as well, this isn't the first time I've seen you go after her specifically. I won't stand for that bullshit.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 02, 2010, 07:14:18 AM
Note: Stop hazing Mirby as well, this isn't the first time I've seen you go after her specifically. I won't stand for that bullshit.

That wasn't a hazing. It was a direct and serious warning.
Title: Re: Disappointments with Legends 3? Here.
Post by: Aresian on October 02, 2010, 07:16:43 AM
That wasn't a hazing. It was a direct and serious warning.

Talking about SuperSonic77.

Granted, I don't like how you responded, but you're a mod as well, higher up than me too. You choose how you do things. As do I of course. I won't say I've been walking on eggshells with some members either. *shrugs*