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Rockman & Community => Rockman Series => ZX => Topic started by: Turian on June 14, 2010, 12:15:44 PM
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Was Ciel the first commander? And is Prairie really Alouette? If so, how could Ciel possibly be the first commander? Wasn't she a human?
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And why can't Ciel be First Commander if she's human?
Also, these cutscenes:
(http://www.sprites-inc.co.uk/files/ZX/Zx1/Cutscene/13ciel_livemetals.png) (http://www.sprites-inc.co.uk/files/ZX/Zx1/Cutscene/16flashback_prairie.png)
The First Commander suspiciously looks like Ciel, the hair, expecially the coat.
As for Prairie, her dialogue mentioned that she has witnessed the fall of Ragnarok, and her plushie looks suspiciously like the one that Alouette always holds. Also, Prairie mentioned that the plushie is a gift from the First Commander, and Alouette's plushie was a gift from Ciel.
Another clue is in Prairie's room. Lots of cyber-elf plushies, as well as some photos of Zero and Ciel in the background. Also, Ciel's coat (the one from Zero 3) is seen hanging on the clothes rack.
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And why can't Ciel be First Commander if she's human?
As for Prairie, her dialogue mentioned that she has witnessed the fall of Ragnarok,
Prairie, supposedly Alouette states she is some 100 years old. Ciel couldn't last for all that time, and her disappearance happened a few years before ZX.
Though story-wise, these two can ONLY be Alouette and Ciel.
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Ciel couldn't last for all that time, and her disappearance happened a few years before ZX.
Well, Ciel's true time in disppearing is still up for debate, although the issue of the Sage Trinity also comes in.
Albert said he made Model W, and therefore created PnP.
The First Commander created the other Biometals from Model W.
The Trinity's policy of humans gaining machine bodies, while reploids gained human mortality.
Ciel could have gained a machine body, and lived longer.
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This is true. I'll accept this for now. Thanks for your input doc!
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Wasn't she a human?
Yes, and considering the First Commander was also a human, what's the problem? Keep in mind that the Machine Bodies given to humans can allow them to live for centuries.
Prairie, supposedly Alouette states she is some 100 years old. Ciel couldn't last for all that time, and her disappearance happened a few years before ZX.
Prairie stated she was a centuries old Repliroid. This is the same time frame as when the Hunters discovered the Ice Dart Mechaniloid. However, the Hunters' Guild was supposedly founded several centuries after the war as a direct result of Serpent's digging success in finding the Livemetals, and so that directly relates to the incident in which he claimed Model V. Thus; the First Commander disappeared centuries ago, but also centuries after the war.
Of course, how much time that is from the ZERO-series remains to be seen, as the gap is never explicitly said ingame and supposedly two hundred years. The implication is apparently that First Commander's disappearance is somewhere in the middle of this.
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AH. That makes even more sense.
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Even though Prairie said the first commander "dissapeared" during that time frame, Slither Inc. was founded (I belive a few years after the dissapearance). And there was a cutscene if I belive of Serpent going rouge after he came in contact with the Biometal W in the first ZX. Machine Bodies are another story, it's how the hunter Ashe was able to survive a long fall, whilist without it her leg bones would've been crushed by the pressure and most likely blown off the roof of the airship she landed on by the strong wind being produced by fast-moving ships.
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There was never any evidence that the First Commander had anything to do with Slither Inc.
That was all Serpent, and yes, that's after he came into contact with Model W.
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Huh, that's what my suspicion was. I was thinking that Slither Inc flourished after Serpent defected from the Guardians to feed Model W. 8U
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It's more like Slither Inc. was founded only after Serpent came into contact with Model W.
Zan, is that any evidence for this?
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I don't think you can state when Serpent Company was founded. He could have easily joined Guardian even though he already was the president of a company. In fact, they could have worked together to distribute System CIEL.
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In fact, they could have worked together to distribute System CIEL.
You know, that makes a remarkable amount of sense, given the whole energy crisis talk in the first game.
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You know, that makes a remarkable amount of sense, given the whole energy crisis talk in the first game.
*sign*
I wonder why the population has still to suffer from that stupid energy crisis, if the solution is already for ca. 200 years at hand?
Oh, I know it is all caused by Albert's Xanatos Gamble.
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Oh, I know it is all caused by Albert's Xanatos Gamble.
...What?
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I just wanted to take a moment and tell you guys I really appreciate all of the studying and hard work you have done to make sense outta these games. I COULD do it myself but that would require lots of source books and knowledge of Japanese. So just to make this clear: THANK YOU! owob
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I don't think you can state when Serpent Company was founded. He could have easily joined Guardian even though he already was the president of a company. In fact, they could have worked together to distribute System CIEL.
I see... That does make sense too.
Thanks for the clear-up Zan.
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...What?
Xanatos Gamble ehm.. Gambit (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/XanatosGambit). See also Xanatos Roulette (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/XanatosRoulette)
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The shpiel with Albert is that the Game of Destiny, no matter the outcome, spreads enough despair to awaken Model W. Straightforward enough, I'd say. The only way you get a Roulette out of that is if you go into Grey and Model A as Albert's backups, but that part of the plan blew up in Albert's face anyway, since neither were necessary and his own backup surpassed him.
I still really wish there was a Vent/Aile mode to that game.
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May as well throw this in here in case someone hasn't seen it yet.
(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/6070/prairiegigamix.png)
Scanned from the ZX Gigamix case.
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....*runs off with that scan*....
In the whole Albert shtik, he always planned a backup body, if he were to be defeated, he would still be around, however.. since that plan flew out the window (he forgot to make ANOTHER backup body if Grey was ever awakened, whoops), his plan to revive model W and crown himself king (that failed miserably, just like Serpent's plan, albiet similar) is pretty much in the hands of the next guy who finds that devilous biometal, it has a mind of it's own.
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May as well throw this in here in case someone hasn't seen it yet.
(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/6070/prairiegigamix.png)
Scanned from the ZX Gigamix case.
Is that supposed to be Prarie?
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It is. One of the Gigamix drama tracks has Aile and Prairie going shopping after Aile comes back from a battle with PnP. Prairie was scoping out that dress.
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It is. One of the Gigamix drama tracks has Aile and Prairie going shopping after Aile comes back from a battle with PnP. Prairie was scoping out that dress.
Hm, I think she looks a bit younger there than in the actual game.
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Hypershell is correct, the track in question is "Girls Bravo". The album also included guest artwork from Hitoshi Ariga portraying the events of the track.
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Hitoshi Ariga
Fun Fact: He did "Oh!! Jawajawa" for one of the Tokyopop Star Wars specials. But boy, he's very reliable.. a little.. Too.. Reliable..
On another note, I knew that the "Girl's Bravo" Audio Drama was pretty.. entertaining..
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Bumping this for a bit.
I was replaying ZX as Aile, and after you defeat Prometheus in the Guardian Base, Pirarie tries to explain some things.
But one thing struck out.
Giro was ordered by the First Commander to protect the survivors of the Maverick raids.
Giro was there to save Aile from the Maverick raid... 10 years ago?
Won't that mean the First Commander was still around at that time?
Won't that also mean the First Commander only disappeared recently in terms of that?
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Girouette is a member of Guardian, and all of Guardian was issued an order to protect raid survivors, not just Girouette. It was Girouette who would carry it using Girouette Express as a secret organization within Guardian, because he's the one that turned into a Rockman. It was because of him that Prairie finally understand why her sister gave that order in the first place.
We know neither when Ciel gave the order, nor how long Guardian had been acting on it before Girouette, nor when Girouette first turned into a Rockman.
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Ah... So it was wishful thinking on my part...
Thanks for the clarification Zan.
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So Giro was basically an unofficial member who was only involved with Guardian and the protection of raid survivors because he became a Rockman?
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Girouette was a legitimate Guardian, Giro Express was the cover up. The raid survivors needed protection because they somehow shared the ability to transform with the Biometals. By acting was as the owner of a transporter company, Giro could carry out his mission unsuspected.
Nonetheless, Giro honestly cared for the children he looked after, and proved himself willing to give his life to protect them.
Girouette is a member of Guardian, and all of Guardian was issued an order to protect raid survivors, not just Girouette.
I don't know, Prairie made it sound like the order was addressed to Giro specifically:
"Calm down Aile! I don't know much about what's going on either. The one that gave Giro the order to protect you was the first commander."
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oops, I misread Zan's post as he is NOT a Guardian.
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Well Giro's bio does say he's older than he looks. It's possible that he indeed has been around long enough to have known Ciel. It's also possible that Ciel really did live for quite a long time. True she lived during a harsh time after the fall of Neo-Arcadia but she might have extended her life the way most humans do by ZX time with cyborg implants and full reploid bodies.
So it's possible that they knew each other by Ciel, Giro, or both being quite long lived. Come to think of it Giro has a forehead marking and turned into a cyber elf when he died, so he's probably a reploid to begin with, and thus wouldn't show his age anyway. Who knows, it's possible that Ciel BUILT Giro. It would explain his resemblance to Zero and why he's compatible with Model Z.
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Come to think of it Giro has a forehead marking and turned into a cyber elf when he died, so he's probably a reploid to begin with, and thus wouldn't show his age anyway.
There's no "probably" about it, Giro *IS* a Reploid.
However, the fact that he turns into a cyber-elf does not factor into that. Machine-body humans can go the same way, as Hurricaune has both humans and Reploids imprisoned for her cyber-elf production.
Who knows, it's possible that Ciel BUILT Giro. It would explain his resemblance to Zero and why he's compatible with Model Z.
Possible. But I think Prairie would probably refer to Giro as family if that were the case.
Usage of Model Z is irrelevant to that, though. ALL Biometal compatibility is determined by Albert (save Ashe who was unexpected). Ciel didn't understand enough of the R.O.C.K. System to modify that aspect of it.
I don't know, Prairie made it sound like the order was addressed to Giro specifically:
"Calm down Aile! I don't know much about what's going on either. The one that gave Giro the order to protect you was the first commander."
Turn it around: You could also say that the order is addressing Aile specifically. But we know that's not the case; Giro's disk profile lists him as caring for multiple children.
She speaks of Giro and Aile because it's what Aile is asking about. The other Guardians, and the other children, are irrelevant to the discussion. That's all.
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Wonder what happened to all those poor Orphans Giro was watching after he died? For that matter, what happened to his Business?
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Wonder what happened to all those poor Orphans Giro was watching after he died? For that matter, what happened to his Business?
The main character of the last game (pre-ZXA) took over in secret (Or Pararie, since she was absent from the game)? Someone's gonna fill that spot.
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It's a crazy theory but I still wouldn't rule out Ciel building Zero. Possibly in secret, keeping him under wraps for a while. She didn't tell anyone she built Copy X after all.
My theory is Giro is Copy Zero. Mind you, Ciel would have learned her lesson from the first time. He looks like Zero and has his DNA data, but not his memories, and she didn't intend for him to ever think that he's Zero.
His compatibility with Model Z is an unintended side effect. Much like Ashe who can use Model A because she's related to Albert, Giro can use Model Z because he shares its DNA data.
If Giro were a copy of Zero, though Ciel would probably not tell him or anyone this. He's just her attempt at getting Zero back, but isn't going to repeat her mistakes with Copy X.
Anyone that's my crazy pet theory.
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She didn't tell anyone she built Copy X after all.
I recall quite the opposite.
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She told Zero, once near the end of the game. She told him at no point any earlier, nor did she bring it up again. No one in the base said "By the way X is a copy and Ciel built him." Indeed would ANYONE trust the creator of their oppressor as the leader of their resistance?
Furthermore it seems most everyone under Copy X treats him as if he were the real X, and the neo-arcadian humans in Z4 just call him X or Master X, never Copy X. I'd say Copy X kept his being a copy well under wraps. If Copy X being her creation was ever revealed it wasn't until after the Zero series.
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Not everyone knows, that is a given, but more than Ciel knows. Who do you think gave the order for construction? A ghost?
Try again.
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Why so contrarian? In either case Copy X's origin is very tightly under wraps. It's clearly not public knowledge and it could just as well be the case for Giro. I don't argue that it IS the case, just that the possibility exists, and there really isn't evidence to the contrary. That's how pet theories work. It's certainly less ridiculous than the cataclysm theory, or as far fetched as the Dr. Cossack built Axl Theory.
What we do know is:
Giro is a Reploid
He is stated to be older than he looks
He knew Ciel
He's the chosen one for Model Z
None of those are less than facts provided in the game its self.
My theory is just one possibility that fits with the known facts. Unless we get ZX3 with more background on Giro, or some official word from Inafune, all we really can do is theorize. Yes we could just all say "he's a random dude with no significant past who happened to pick up Model Z one day and met Ciel." But really this board is here for discussion and if we all agreed on one thing, there wouldn't very well be a discussion to go on here. Personally I'm just glad that the Zero collection seems to have also rekindled a little interest in the ZX series.
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"Wise beyond his years." =/= "Older than he looks."
And it was Albert that selected him as a Chosen One.
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As one of Master Albert's Chosen Ones, Giro's life cycle settings were personally inspected by the Sage Trinity member. If Giro was indeed a Reploid created in secret, Albert could have discovered it easily.
She speaks of Giro and Aile because it's what Aile is asking about. The other Guardians, and the other children, are irrelevant to the discussion. That's all.
They are anything but irrelevant:
"The order was to protect anyone that survived the Maverick raid. At first I didn't understand why she would give such an order. But when I saw Giro transform into the Model Z Mega Man, I finally understood the reason. Survivors of Maverick raids share the ability to transform with the power of the Biometal. People like you and Giro. I'm telling you the truth when I say that's all I know. I have no idea why some are chosen to be Mega Men while others are not. I'm guessing the only one who knows the real truth behind all of this is Serpent."
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As one of Master Albert's Chosen Ones, Giro's life cycle settings were personally inspected by the Sage Trinity member. If Giro was indeed a Reploid created in secret, Albert could have discovered it easily.
But would Albert even care about that? Any special origins Girouette could have would only ensure he fits the requirements of a chosen one; someone to stands up to the irregulars, showing the desire to change the world.
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But would Albert even care about that? Any special origins Girouette could have would only ensure he fits the requirements of a chosen one; someone to stands up to the irregulars, showing the desire to change the world.
I don't know if Albert would care, all I was saying is that trying to hide Giro's origins from someone who knows "everything about the world" would be a difficult (if not futile) effort.
If I were to speculate, I'd say that Albert would somehow try to take advantage of the knowledge, just like how he made use of the Biometals created by the first commander.
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Making ANOTHER copy of a legendary reploid without his memories or personality is not "Learning from her mistake".
Its making the SAME mistake.
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Not really, Girouette wasn't a world ruler, for one.
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still, after one failed attempt at making a copy of a legendary hero went bad, I'd think she would think twice before attempting it again.
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Learning from one's mistakes can mean never trying again, or trying again and getting it right. She didn't set him up the rule the world, implant him with false memories, or do anything that would have resulted in what made Copy X a megalomaniacal man-child with a messiah complex. Or maybe it's all the coffee that keeps Giro stable.
Though I don't think Inafune was thinking that far ahead when he created Giro, and likely Giro's origins if revealed will be something made up on the spot. Thus the wild theory that he's Copy Zero.
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I don't think Inafune was thinking anything when Inti thought up Girouette.
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I'd also like to add, that because Copy X and X do not share souls, the only thing that makes Copy X, "X" is his being addressed as so. He's not really X, but it's the identity he was given. Girouette was never addressed as Zero.
Now, Girouette DOES bear a striking resemblance to Zero, and there's a pretty heavy implication that Prairie has taken notice of it:
"Hahaha! Maybe Giro resembles someone you cared about. Everytime you talk about him, you look so happy. Don't worry, I won't hold it against you if you did like him. It's thanks to all of you that I'm finally able to fight for what's important."
So, if you want to theorize that he was built in memory of Zero, that's fine and dandy. I wouldn't say that makes him "Copy Zero", though, since he first of all does not have any combat abilities of his own and secondly does have an identity of his own.
They are anything but irrelevant:
Okay, to that STATEMENT, even if they are addressed later on in the discussion. I apologize for my poor choice of words, but what I meant was that Aile was asking about herself personally, and Giro's involvement, thus Prairie responds in that context. The order, as your own quote shows, applies to a larger scale than that. But Aile isn't asking about the order, she's asking about her own identity.
His compatibility with Model Z is an unintended side effect. Much like Ashe who can use Model A because she's related to Albert, Giro can use Model Z because he shares its DNA data.
(http://home.comcast.net/~Anguirus/objection.gif)
As Zan already stated Giro was chosen by Albert, which we know because he is in the ciphers in ZXA.
Further, one's DNA resembling that of the Biometal would be completely irrelevant. For all Biometals, it is Albert's DNA, and none other, which affects compatibility. No official word has ever suggested that there are any further compatibility checks beyond that (or as Zan once said, the idea that any Chosen One cannot use any Biometal is complete fanon).
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Further, one's DNA resembling that of the Biometal would be completely irrelevant. For all Biometals, it is Albert's DNA, and none other, which affects compatibility. No official word has ever suggested that there are any further compatibility checks beyond that (or as Zan once said, the idea that any Chosen One cannot use any Biometal is complete fanon).
There was some compatibility check performed on Grey, but to what extent, who knows.
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You'll need to refresh my memory there. You mean besides the failed mind-control schtick, or is this a Gigamix thing?
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Gigamix.
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Ah, no wonder...
Gigamix's only depiction of Grey was while he was still in his capsule, though. In other words, before he ever Rocked On. Then of course there is the fact that he was really supposed to be Albert's spare body.
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Okay, to that STATEMENT, even if they are addressed later on in the discussion. I apologize for my poor choice of words, but what I meant was that Aile was asking about herself personally, and Giro's involvement, thus Prairie responds in that context. The order, as your own quote shows, applies to a larger scale than that. But Aile isn't asking about the order, she's asking about her own identity.
The point of discussion here isn't what Aile wants to know, but the specifics of the order given to protect the Chosen Ones. Which is what Prairie explains in her response.
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I'd also like to add, that because Copy X and X do not share souls, the only thing that makes Copy X, "X" is his being addressed as so. He's not really X, but it's the identity he was given. Girouette was never addressed as Zero.
Now, Girouette DOES bear a striking resemblance to Zero, and there's a pretty heavy implication that Prairie has taken notice of it:
"Hahaha! Maybe Giro resembles someone you cared about. Everytime you talk about him, you look so happy. Don't worry, I won't hold it against you if you did like him. It's thanks to all of you that I'm finally able to fight for what's important."
So, if you want to theorize that he was built in memory of Zero, that's fine and dandy. I wouldn't say that makes him "Copy Zero", though, since he first of all does not have any combat abilities of his own and secondly does have an identity of his own.
A good point. Actually I'd forgotten about that particular conversation.
I guess the only difference there is where you draw the line between resemblance and an outright copy. I'd like to think it's possible that Ciel built Giro, at least party based on her memory of Zero, but at the same time allowed him to be his own being. Where you draw the line between homage and copy is really a matter of semantics.
The Cyphers mentioning Giro, I'll have to check again. After I blow through one more round of the Zero collection and finish the unlockables I'm moving on to replaying the ZX series. If anything I need a dose of positive future after the end of Z4.
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The Cyphers mentioning Giro
(http://www.sprites-inc.co.uk/files/ZX/ZxA/Cutscene/mmzxa_cutscene9.png)
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The point of discussion here isn't what Aile wants to know, but the specifics of the order given to protect the Chosen Ones. Which is what Prairie explains in her response.
You misunderstood me. I was talking about Aile's discussion, not our discussion. Before you chimed in, Prairie's complete response hadn't yet been offered as part the topic; only the first sentence about Giro. You're applying my comments about Prairie's response to this thread as a whole, which was not my intent.
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You misunderstood me. I was talking about Aile's discussion, not our discussion. Before you chimed in, Prairie's complete response hadn't yet been offered as part the topic; only the first sentence about Giro. You're applying my comments about Prairie's response to this thread as a whole, which was not my intent.
Now you're pushing words into my mouth. I rejoined the topic in response to Zan's post with a quote which potentially conflicted with his explanation about the commander's order. It is when you suggested an alternate interpretation for that particular quote that I saw fit to cite another part of the conversation. My point was always about the nature of the order, therefore I limited myself to what I believe to be the pertinent details. To me, questioning the actual point of Aile's query and how Prairie initially replied to it is just overcomplicating matters by grasping at straws.
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Ambiguity doesn't help anyone, Oakes. If you're going to claim that I'm off on a tangent, be specific as to why.
It is a direct statement that Giro received an order from Prairie Ciel. It is not a direct statement, but rather an implication, whether or not he received that order firsthand, and whether or not that same order was received by other Guardians. In discussing an implication, the intention of the speaker is a particularly relevant topic. "Context" exists for that reason, and it is hardly my idea of grasping at straws.
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Ambiguity doesn't help anyone, Oakes. If you're going to claim that I'm off on a tangent, be specific as to why.
It is a direct statement that Giro received an order from Prairie. It is not a direct statement, but rather an implication, whether or not he received that order firsthand, and whether or not that same order was received by other Guardians. In discussing an implication, the intention of the speaker is a particularly relevant topic. "Context" exists for that reason, and it is hardly my idea of grasping at straws.
With that, you have just claimed that Zan's post about all the Guardians receiving the order is conjectural. In which case, you should explain yourself what else can be inferred from Prairie's full explanation, rather than just her initial response.
And the order came from the first commander, not Prairie.
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With that, you have just claimed that Zan's post about all the Guardians receiving the order is conjectural. In which case, you should explain yourself what else can be inferred from Prairie's full explanation, rather than just her initial response.
Zan did not use that quote as a source. He provided no source, and I cannot challenge his interpretation without knowing what he is interpreting. Refuting Zan is not my responsibility; I will do so when I am driven to do so. Now is not one of those times.
I'm getting that "Argument Clinic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y)" vibe again, and Superbat's filled my quota on that for quite some time. So may I suggest that further posts address ZX rather than what either of us believes the other should be posting?
...and I just did it again, didn't I? -AC
And the order came from the first commander, not Prairie.
Typos, they're part of life.
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Zan did not use that quote as a source. He provided no source, and I cannot challenge his interpretation without knowing what he is interpreting.
Zan's statement can very well be challenged if there is a basis for it; the quotes that I provided come from the only instance I recall in which the first commander's order is addressed (barring other material that I'm either forgetting or that I'm unaware of). In the process of questioning the source that I provided (or how I interpret it), you indirectly challenged Zan's statement yourself.
I do not believe the situation in which Prairie made her statements changes the information provided, and therefore I consider it unnecessary when discussing the matter. I agree that we don't know the circumstances in which Giro received the order, and that it is not clear that other Guardians received the same order. However, Zan stated that all Guardians received this mission as a fact, which is what I had taken issue with in the first place.
Refuting Zan is not my responsibility; I will do so when I am driven to do so. Now is not one of those times.
I don't see how "responsibility" factors into this; we're fans discussing a game series. We are entitled to join any conversation that interest us, but we have no obligation to do so. I didn't have the responsibility to reply to Zan in the first place, but his post caught my attention nonetheless. Responsibility here applies only to the staff that keeps the forum in order.
Even though it wasn't your intention, you refuted Zan's post as much, if not more than I did.
I'm getting that "Argument Clinic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y)" vibe again, and Superbat's filled my quota on that for quite some time. So may I suggest that further posts address ZX rather than what either of us believes the other should be posting?
By all means; it's what I was trying to do.
Typos, they're part of life.
So are corrections.
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Zan's statement can very well be challenged if there is a basis for it; the quotes that I provided come from the only instance I recall in which the first commander's order is addressed (barring other material that I'm either forgetting or that I'm unaware of).
Naturally, but you're missing the point. You already challenged Zan, thus warranting further elaboration, by him. My comments do not negate that...In the process of questioning the source that I provided (or how I interpret it), you indirectly challenged Zan's statement yourself.
...by your own admission, I might add.
So until Zan responds, my pushing the matter is redundant.
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My apologies for being a bit late, but I do have a somewhat related question that has to do with Girouette, since we were kind of on the subject of him. (Well, and the first commander.)
I keep hearing that his age is between 15-25 (assuming physical age... surely he's much older than that due to his relations with the first commander?), but where was this stated? I don't remember hearing this anywhere in the game at all. o.o; Is there an Official Complete Works for this game I don't know about or something?
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So until Zan responds, my pushing the matter is redundant.
But you two are doing so well on your own!
Anyway, it was my own impression when playing the game that the order to protect is one that all Guardians have to uphold, not just Giro. Though it is Giro who is given the task through Girouette Express, an organization within Guardian; it is still in Guardian's best interest to protect raid survivors at all costs. Who first received the order directly from the First Commander is another matter altogether; Prairie, Girouette, someone else? Much related is the question of timeframe; outside of the livemetal reports, Ciel should have cut all ties with the world when she learned about the importance of the raid survivors.
I keep hearing that his age is between 15-25 (assuming physical age... surely he's much older than that due to his relations with the first commander?), but where was this stated? I don't remember hearing this anywhere in the game at all. o.o; Is there an Official Complete Works for this game I don't know about or something?
The 15~25 estimate of Giro's age was given in Japanese on one of Capcom/Inti's blogs, but in a recent search neither Oakes, nor myself were able to locate it. As with Grey's age of "14" the assumption made by the fans is that a Repliroid's age refers to mental age/maturity; how long he's been physically around is uncertain. Take Prairie for example; she's mentally a teenager/young adult, but has been around for centuries. For the human characters we have no reason to doubt that the number is both physical and mental age; we've seen Vent and Aile grow, and along with Ashe the numbers fit with their being children so many years ago. We only have reason to doubt human ages after maturity is reached; see the Sage Trinity being centuries old.
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Oh, thank you! That explains why I've never seen it then, I don't really stalk the Japanese blogs that much, hehe.
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But you two are doing so well on your own!
You call that well? If you left me hanging any longer I'd have had to tell Oakes that I love swimming in raw sewage.
(I know, nobody's going to get that joke)
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You call that well? If you left me hanging any longer I'd have had to tell Oakes that I love swimming in raw sewage.
(I know, nobody's going to get that joke)
I LOVE IT!
I. LOVE IT!
(Never underestimate my movie quote knowledge, Mr. Poopy Pants!)
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PB, I'm gonna try the roof.
*boom* *clank*
PB, I'm gonna try it again.
We only have reason to doubt human ages after maturity is reached; see the Sage Trinity being centuries old.
In all fairness, the same "maturity" principle applies to Reploids, since Prairie has obviously grown in the last few centuries. Reploids are simply further complicated by their "birth" not being as infants (that we've ever seen, anyway), but Reploid children, obviously younger in appearance than Grey, have been around ever since Command Mission. And, before that, Sensei saw reason to believe that Iris should "develop" over time. A Reploid may conceivably be built at any mental age, so their time of activation says nothing as to their character.
Take Grey, for example. There's no indication that he was ever active prior to ZXA, and given his purpose, it seems doubtful. So the "14 years old" age is obviously not related to how long he's been conscious. You could go into how long ago he was built, but if he was in stasis the whole time, then age in that sense is largely irrelevant to the character.