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Rockman & Community => Rockman Series => Original => Topic started by: johnboy3434 on March 09, 2010, 03:42:40 AM
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I read about the name Rockman 8.5 being found in RM&F's code, and wondered if there were any other side games given the honor of being shoe-horned into the numerical sequence. I know there was .EXE 4.5 (which never got an American release), but were there any others? Come to think of it, was ZXA ever actually referred to as ZX2?
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Well, officially, Cyber Mission (Xtreme) comes between X2 and X3, and Soul Eraser (Xtreme 2) comes between X3 and X4.
Neither was ever referred to as X2.5 or X3.5, though.
Same deal with Network Transmission. Firmly canonically takes place between the first and second games, but EXE1.5 it ain't.
....I honestly don't know what the deal was with Megaman and Bass being "Rock 8.5" as opposed to just calling it Rockman 9, or why it was released for the Super Famicom rather than the Saturn and/or Playstation (which probably is why it wasn't localized initially).
It is kinda sloppy, though. Now we have 11 main sequence games, but the latest one is called Megaman 10. Durr...
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It's not an official name. That was just in the code - it was probably it's name in development until the developers settled on a real name for the game. Many projects have those sort of things. I wouldn't put any more emphasis on it than Capcom did.
Rockman.EXE 4.5 is the only game with a decimal in it's title.
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And that was more of a way for them to figure out how to allow other playable Navis for EXE5, right?
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it was released for the SNES, (RnF) because many children were not able to play 8 due to not having playstations. (funny how Inafune did not mention Saturn) SO, they decided to show they could still make a really good Rockman game on the SNES, and used 8's graphics
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If you count "Challenger from the Future" as RockMan & Forte 2, then you could say RockMan & Forte is its own mysterious interquel series, just like RockMan World and RockMan: The Power Whatever. But RockMan & Forte 1 is unique for having its place in the timeline acknowledged--not just with the "8.5", but also with appearing as the ninth image in the ending of RockMan 9.
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And then they tottaly forgot about it and didn´t add a boss from RnF as a boss of W. Archive :P
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Most of the world series has it's place in the timeline acknowledged with MM10's special stages. Although Capcom has always considered them part of the timeline. It's mostly fans who think they're not.
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Most of the world series has it's place in the timeline acknowledged with MM10's special stages.
Like RnF's CD database and RnF being referenced in R9 didn't already do that.
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Like RnF's CD database and RnF being referenced in R9 didn't already do that.
R&F is a side game, not a main game. And R9 was already pointed out, if you hadn't noticed.
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I'm afraid I wasn't clear enough. I wasn't asking if any of the side games were part of the timeline. I think they all are (even the crappy PC games). What I meant was: were there any other side games that were given internumerical titles at any point in their production? Also, as a side question, was ZXA ever actually referred to as ZX2?
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Unless the GB games are considered .5's, I think RnF may be the only one.
The Wonderswan games are their own line, it seems.
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If the GB games were ever a ".5" I hadn't heard about it. Although Megaman 1 GB was once known as "Megaman World".
And, although I'd definately include the PC and all other games in my own personal MM timeline, Capcom doesn't. Just sayin'.
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If the GB games were ever a ".5" I hadn't heard about it. Although Megaman 1 GB was once known as "Megaman World".
And, although I'd definately include the PC and all other games in my own personal MM timeline, Capcom doesn't. Just sayin'.
They are referred to as Rockman World, but then they turn around and use main timeline series RMs. Not to mention one's called "Revenge of Dr. Wily". They're probably not officially .5's, but darned if they don't act like it.
Heh, if I were Capcom, I wouldn't either.
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They are referred to as Rockman World, but then they turn around and use main timeline series RMs. Not to mention one's called "Revenge of Dr. Wily". They're probably not officially .5's, but darned if they don't act like it.
Heh, if I were Capcom, I wouldn't either.
No, I mean there's an unused sprite of the word "world" in the title screen of Megaman 1 GB; that game was definately called "Megaman World" at some point in it's development. Unless I'm just misreading your post.
I dunno, I kinda like the PC games and I'd include them. Not because they're good. No ... not because they're good.
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R&F is a side game, not a main game. And R9 was already pointed out, if you hadn't noticed.
Point being, if R10 validates just W1/3/4 by including the Rockman Killers, then R9 already validated the whole World series and MegaWorld through referencing RnF. It connects the dots from R9, to RnF to any game which is referenced in the CD database.
Also, as a side question, was ZXA ever actually referred to as ZX2?
Advent was originally produced as being effectively ZX2, but in the end named Advent because they felt it was a title that could be understood as a stand alone.
They are referred to as Rockman World, but then they turn around and use main timeline series RMs. Not to mention one's called "Revenge of Dr. Wily". They're probably not officially .5's, but darned if they don't act like it.
Each World game was developed simultaneously or directly prior to a new mainstream game. Hence its reliance on gameplay mechanics, characters and story elements of the mainstream title that precedes the one currently in development. W1 was developed near R3, but uses R2 mechanics, W2 was developed near R4, but uses R3 mechanics and so on. The only exception to this rule being W5's placement prior to R6, for story reasons.
Despite that, the story of the World games only acknowledges other World games; in W5, Wily was defeated four time prior. Which is certainly not true once you add in the mainstream titles.
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Point being, if R10 validates just W1/3/4 by including the Rockman Killers, then R9 already validated the whole World series and MegaWorld through referencing RnF. It connects the dots from R9, to RnF to any game which is referenced in the CD database.
The conversation is about the main games (1-10) validating a side game, not side games validating each other.
R&F validates all the games in the database, obviously, but it's a side game. Which is why I didn't bring it up. It's besides the point.
But, yeah okay, the side game Rockman and Forte validates most all the other side games. Obviously. Although that has nothing to do with the main games validating a side game, so I'm not sure why you're correcting me on it.
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But if a main game validates a side game, then any references within that side game are validated as well. Albeit indirectly. Meaning R9 indirectly validates Quint and the MegaWorld Corps.
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The conversation is about the main games directly validating a side game.
If we're talking about indirect validation, then there's a whole web that's created. Hell, starting with MM7 and Rockboard. But that's just not the conversation. That hadn't been where this conversation was going, so I didn't bring it up.
Edit: And, besides, Bag of Magic Food brought up that RM9 directly connects to MM9 just one post above mine, so I didn't see the need to mention it again.
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Yeah, uh, see, I didn't mean "acknowledged as happening", I meant "acknowledged as having happened in between two other particular games in the other numbered series".
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Well, okay. Misunderstood your point in bringing R&F up. Still not wrong in saying MM10 was a main game that directly acknowledged the RMW series as happening. And I don't see the point in being snidely "corrected" on it. Since it isn't something that needs correcting. R&F's CD database could have easily been brought up without the pretext of "correcting" my point.
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Don't the RMW series count as internumerical anyway? Capcom already said that they each came in between certain games.
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Yeah, but I think John was just refferring to the ".5" in the title "Rockman 8.5".
But you'd be right. Hell, every side game that counts would be "internumerical".
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Why isn't the CD database considered "lol game mechanics" anyway
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Why isn't the CD database considered "lol game mechanics" anyway
Why would it be?
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till not wrong in saying MM10 was a main game that directly acknowledged the RMW series as happening.
You're referencing DLC instead of the main game. That's not exactly a direct mainstream game to side game reference. It first requires discussion of the questionable nature of the "Special Stages".
R&F's CD database could have easily been brought up without the pretext of "correcting" my point.
The pretext wasn't correcting your point, but rather establishing the relation to your point. That being that though R10 acknowledges through DLC some of the World games, R9 acknowledges through RnF the whole World series and MegaWorld. Making R10 not the sole acknowledgment of World, but rather further acknowledgment.
Were it not for the context of R9's RnF reference, the CD database loses its implications on the mainstream titles as it would be "just a side game referencing side games." Hence, this indirect web of connections is very important for filling the gaps that R10's DLC on its own leaves. From there, as you say, R7 is notable as well, as it references Rockboard, which in turn references both World1 and World2. Completing the picture.
Why isn't the CD database considered "lol game mechanics" anyway
It's part of the whole plot. What with the intro stage being the Robot Museum.
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You're referencing DLC instead of the main game. That's not exactly a direct mainstream game to side game reference. It first requires discussion of the questionable nature of the "Special Stages".
The pretext wasn't correcting your point, but rather establishing the relation to your point. That being that though R10 acknowledges through DLC some of the World games, R9 acknowledges through RnF the whole World series and MegaWorld. Making R10 not the sole acknowledgment of World, but rather further acknowledgment.
Were it not for the context of R9's RnF reference, the CD database loses its implications on the mainstream titles as it would be "just a side game referencing side games." Hence, this indirect web of connections is very important for filling the gaps that R10's DLC on its own leaves. From there, as you say, R7 is notable as well, as it references Rockboard, which in turn references both World1 and World2. Completing the picture.
It's part of the whole plot. What with the intro stage being the Robot Museum.
R10 is a main game in the series that directly references the side games. End of story.
If you have a point to make do so without the snide aside about my posts. They aren't nessasary.
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>_> Never EVER question Zan. He is infinitely smarter than anyone when it comes to the Rockman series (with the possible exception of Hypershell). If he makes snide comments on your post, he doesn't mean in it a rude manner. He's referencing your posts to further reinforce his. If the way he talks is snide, so be it. If you were any more upset about this, you'd be like that stupid blufighter moron. So please, stop. They are necessary as they are the main way to get his point across. End of story.
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If you have a point to make do so without the snide aside about my posts. They aren't nessasary.
I apologize for the first post, but there was no snide whatsoever in my last three posts.
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>_> Never EVER question Zan. He is infinitely smarter than anyone when it comes to the Rockman series (with the possible exception of Hypershell). If he makes snide comments on your post, he doesn't mean in it a rude manner. He's referencing your posts to further reinforce his. If the way he talks is snide, so be it. If you were any more upset about this, you'd be like that stupid blufighter moron. So please, stop. They are necessary as they are the main way to get his point across. End of story.
Right.
Not sorry if I don't agree with Zan all the time and eaqually not sorry if I'm prone to replying in a snide, rude way if I'm talked to rudely and snidely. If that makes me a "blufighter moron" then so be it. If he's gonna rudely reply and not back down, don't expect me to. Whether or not he feels it's the best way to make a point.
I apologize for the first post, but there was no snide whatsoever in my last three posts.
The first post set the tone for the subsequent posts. But okay.
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R10 is a main game in the series that directly references the side games.
If you don't mind, I'd like to return to this subject for a moment. Can we really consider the DLC as part of the main game? As in, do Bass Mode and the Special Stages happen with equal validity as the rest of Rockman10?
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Look at it this way. The story happens from his point of view, and Wily does mention that Rockman got infected by the virus too. Forte gets infected later on and is saved by Gospel. Forte leaves Wily behind, but Wily is rescued by Rock and Blues, and he gets sent to the hospital. The ending is what makes the main story of Rockman 10 a little confusing, when 3 characters are fighting the same last boss and the ending is similar for all 3 of them.
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Video game continuity is not a perfect timeline; if there's multiple characters, then the timeline may diverge. But the basic events remain. [CHARACTER] is infected, [CHARACTER] fights final boss, final boss is defeated. Fill in the blanks for the story. That's it. The core story remains; minute differences such as minor storylines differences don't really apply in the long run.
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MM9 and 10 are slightly different beasts than their cartridge brethering in how they're marketed and distributed. But we've had so many multiple character games over the years that it hardly seems to matter if we add MM10 to the list.
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Look at it this way. The story happens from his point of view...
Whilst I appreciate the elaborate answer, the focus of my question was actually the Special Stages, as those are 3 additional stages with uncertain relation to the main game.
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Extraneous material related only to extra gameplay with no relation to storyline or continuity whatsoever. That's what I think, at least.
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Then let's wait and see if there is a story connection when they are available. ^^b
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I tend to see them as "real" appearances by the RMKs rather than just "extra" bits. Mainly because I see no compelling argument against.
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And if the game doesn't give you a story, you can just make up whatever sounds the most fitting!
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But that's fan canon, and that's what started the cataclysm theory. So.... no. Bad bag!
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But fanon's not so bad! Until you get slapped in the face with it, anyway. (Apparently "Roll Ryan" was a fan mistranslation of "Roll-chan", and I only recently found out...)
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But I thought that was the point of video games being interactive, that you had to make up half the story yourself.
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(Apparently "Roll Ryan" was a fan mistranslation of "Roll-chan", and I only recently found out...)
ロールりゃん (ryan)
ロールちゃん (chan)
>U<
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HOLY CRAP! VIXY HAS A NEW AVVY!
Ahem... not when they have a determined, official continuity already.
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I don't think it needs an explicit story to count. Although Capcom probably has one in mind.