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Other Things => Off The Wall => Anime & Manga => Topic started by: Flame on February 25, 2010, 07:18:26 AM
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Some may have heard of a new Manga by Nick Simmons, son of Kiss member Gene Simmons. Its called "Incarnate".
Seems though, that ol Nicky might be ripping off dat Bleach.
http://community.livejournal.com/bleachness/446299.html
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/02/25/bleach-ripped-off-by-american-comic-artist-nick-simmons/
Some scenes are more than a little similar.
(http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff330/Kylara21/plag/043jd.jpg)(http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff330/Kylara21/plag/kenny2.jpg)
(http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff330/Kylara21/plag/wuht.jpg)
from wikipedia
Fans are voicing concerns that the contents of his comic book series Incarnate were copied from various other sources. Simmons is accused of plagiarizing character designs, fight scenes, plot segments, dialogue, poses and expressions from both professional and amateur artists, specifically from both published manga and from art communities such as DeviantArt.
Possibly copied material includes popular mangas Bleach, Hellsing, Vampire Hunter D, NANA, Dogs: Bullets & Carnage, Deadman Wonderland, One Piece and online artist Rae
The author has made no statements addressing this plagiarism at this time. However, VIZ Media, the American publisher of the Bleach manga, is currently looking into the matter and has "a team on it". Kubo Tite, the author of Bleach, has made a tweet acknowledging the plagiarism.
Discuss?
EDIT: The Nickko'sDA for your trolling pleasure. http://letsleepinggodslie.deviantart.com/
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Still not as bad as Narubo. XD
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lol forgot all about that. XD
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Looks too similar. I smell a lawsuit.
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(http://www.radicalcomics.com/images/stories/in2-570x258%281%29.jpg)
If this one is seriously real...XD
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Oh Jesus, I caught on to this so late, but some of the stuff I saw is [tornado fang]ing hilarious. I also love how Kubo handled the whole situation. XD
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Can´t blame him. Everyone wants a Kenpachi in their comics :P
Oh Jesus, I caught on to this so late, but some of the stuff I saw is [tornado fang]ing hilarious. I also love how Kubo handled the whole situation. XD
What did Kubo do?
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Kubo basically addressed the people following him saying he had been informed about this issue from beforehand and things were going along as they should. Then he makes an offhand comment stating that he's actually more concerned about the fact that Gene Simmon's kid is a mangaka than the whole plagiarism issue. XD
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Manga by son of Kiss member Gene Simmons.
ಠ_ಠ
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Haha, gotta love plagirisim. A "[tornado fang] you" to the writers and the fans. I personally find this hilarious (Personally, I don't care for VIZ and Shonen Jump). God, reminds me of the spanish mangas. XD
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*falls out of his chair, roaring with laughter*
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Kubo basically addressed the people following him saying he had been informed about this issue from beforehand and things were going along as they should. Then he makes an offhand comment stating that he's actually more concerned about the fact that Gene Simmon's kid is a mangaka than the whole plagiarism issue. XD
Wait, he's more worried about this guy being a mangaka than he is about his work getting stolen? Wow, yet another major difference between America and Japan.
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*joins Ky in laughter*
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ಠ_ಠ
Kubo said in his second Twitter post that he is more interested in the fact that Gene Simmons' son is a comic creator, as opposed to whether there was actual copying or not.
http://twitter.com/tite_kubo/status/9607576469
I lol'd pretty hard.
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Who would want to copy that [parasitic bomb]?
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Who would want to copy that [parasitic bomb]?
Nick Simmons!
I found he has a DA account...
I added it to the first post in case anyone wants to troll him.
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Nick Simmons!
That figures.
But still...
Bleach of all things.
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Oh dont worry. He seems to have copied the ART from bleach, but in terms of characters and story, and in some scenes, he's copied stuff like Hellsing, One piece, and a shitload of others as well. but more subtly.
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!
HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAHAAHAHAHA!
Jesus Christ, this is some funny ass [parasitic bomb]. I used to do stuff like this, when I was like, what? Ten?
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Oh dont worry. He seems to have copied the ART from bleach, but in terms of characters and story, and in some scenes, he's copied stuff like Hellsing, One piece, and a shitload of others as well. but more subtly.
So basically he's made an original story?
In so far that it's possible to make something original (spoiler: it isn't).
Wait, he's more worried about this guy being a mangaka than he is about his work getting stolen? Wow, yet another major difference between America and Japan.
or maybe it's a difference from person to person
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Its funny because you would expect someone like him to be into music and be with a band or something, and yet here he is, ripping off Bleach instead.
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Still, you gotta hand it to him, he does a good job at ripping off another guy's art style. Or is it really easy and I just suck?
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He just wants to plagiarize all night and make profit everyday.
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Whats funny, is that the art on his DA look NOTHING like the comic. (sorta proving he actually sucks,) But then again, he doesnt have much, aside from a few bad sketches and a bad shoop.
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http://www.toplessrobot.com/2010/02/gene_simmons_kid_nick_is_a_comic_creator_a_doucheb.php (http://www.toplessrobot.com/2010/02/gene_simmons_kid_nick_is_a_comic_creator_a_doucheb.php)
"Listen everyone... you're all digging your own graves posting on this forum. Facebook is looking into suspending this page and issuing any warnings for slander against me. I can't make this any clearer... I DID NOT STEAL OTHER PEOPLE'S WORK!! I may have appropriated some styles, but I did not steal. My work is full... of homages to everyone in my medium - not theft! You guys are just a bunch of mean spirited mouth-breathers - except all my fans on here who have rightfully supported me. I will ask Facebook not to press any charges against you if you give me a sincere apology here in this thread. Please do so. Facebook keeps all your IP addresses and info... so they will suspend your account if I do not receive proper apologies."
• "Okay.. now looking at some of these photo comparisons, I can see why a few people are up-in-arms. I can tell you right now these are all purely coincidences. I never even heard of Bleach! Who would name a comic after laundry detergent? When I channel my energy when drawing my book sometimes I can pull stuff in that I never seen before. It's like i'm possessed when I start thinking and drawing. Perhaps I just got on the same wave length that all artists share. My dad just called and said I have a real case against all this slander. If Facebook doesn't give into my demands soon there's going to be hell to pay. Now, I have to damage control on another site - more people being mislead. Now I have to deal with this and my book's deadline. I'm not sure how I can think and draw under all this pressure."
• "I have no idea how people are saying my comic looks like that bleach magma. My book is in color and the other is not. My book reads left to right... the other reads right to left. Besides some vague similarities, they're nothing alike. I put my heart and soul into my book - great story and awesome characters... yet people are trying to pull me down. And NO... I didn't trace or copy other peoples work. Most of these photos are starting to look like photoshop manipulations to make me look bad. You can't trust everything you see on the Internet."
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Hmm, I thought that was just a troll attempt?
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So I'm not the only one to think of laundry detergent. 8D
But seriously though... I facepalmed quite a bit there.
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That sounded pretty pathetic, the way the man explained it.
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Oh God is He for real
I'd like to see him try. I BEG him to do all that.
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He actually has the nerve to counterattack the internet with logic as bad as that?! XD
He's getting [tornado fang]ing destroyed.
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K.O.
(http://i50.tinypic.com/2hd8fpz.jpg)
Indeed, this is quite pathetic. Say, if I recall, someone told me that Bleach fans has a fuse as much as the Sonic fans do, so they are easy to [acid burst] off.
Sad to say, Bleach fans here are the only ones with the longest fuse of the temper bomb. And what he attempted made me feel kinda bad for his IQ levels. He could have done SO much better with his work, say, a Sci-Fi book?
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"I am the bone of my Failure
Plagiarism is my body, stupidity is my blood
I have traced over a thousand Bleach pages
Unknown to copyrights, nor known to lawsuits
Have withstood Flaming to get much publicity
Yet that publicity will never amount to anything
So as I pray, Unlimited Fail Works!"
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Nice one, where'd you get THAT one?
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oops. I pressed the quote button. didnt mean to do that. I made it actually. I was going to post Unlimited Facepalm works, but I figured this would do better.
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I see, well good work to you then!
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My book is in color and the other is not. My book reads left to right... the other reads right to left.They're nothing alike.
None can counter this logic! ::)
I never even heard of Bleach!
C´mon, he can´t mean that seriously?
Who would name a comic after laundry detergent?
Well, Kubo thought that White would sound stupid :P
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i hope he tries to sue kubo.
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• "I have no idea how people are saying my comic looks like that bleach magma
...Please tell me I'm not the only one who noticed this.
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(http://www.projectafterforums.com/uploads/post-241-1267207913.png)
And that is indeed Kubo Tite! 8D
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Two sunglasses is badass.
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(http://www.projectafterforums.com/uploads/post-241-1267207913.png)
And that is indeed Kubo Tite! 8D
Oh haha! you made my day. XD
Also,
(http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac71/Flame-G102/2vmhbpl.gif)
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Well, Kubo thought that White would sound stupid :P
Really? I think it would suit his work much more, actually.
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I heard about this on another forum and they were very blaise about it. Some of them didn't even think that tracing was wrong. I couldn't believe what I was reading. If someone was copying my work--not that it would happen, I'm just saying if--I would first be flattered and then pissed. It would be a weird mix of those two emotions. Then I would sue them.
On the other forum, they were saying that the author of Bleach could sue Nick Simmons, but he wouldn't get very far. After all, Nick Simmons' daddy makes him nigh untouchable. Even if they did win the case, Nick Simmons himself wouldn't be hurt by it. The settlement wouldn't even put a chink in Gene Simmons' wealth. Even so, to just write off the whole situation just because Mr. Simmons' father is famous is beyond injustice.
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Even so, to just write off the whole situation just because Mr. Simmons' father is famous is beyond injustice.
You hear of the Jhon and Kate thing? Yeah, it's still going. Celebs are a royal pain in the ass that's for sure. If I'm correct: If anything happens to celeberties, people would go as far to stretch a celeberty crisis for a week.
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The thing is, though, that Nick Simmons is not a celebrity. So that kind of status does not apply to him. He's the son of a celebrity, but people honestly don't care about celebrity's kids. They only care if they actually measure up to something. That usually isn't the case because celebrity kids almost always end up messed up--like the Osborn kids. The Osborn kids were not famous or celebrities, their short reign of popularity was only because people liked making fun of them. They were a joke.
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I doubt anyone heard about him before this whole thing...
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The thing is, though, that Nick Simmons is not a celebrity. So that kind of status does not apply to him. He's the son of a celebrity, but people honestly don't care about celebrity's kids. They only care if they actually measure up to something. That usually isn't the case because celebrity kids almost always end up messed up--like the Osborn kids. The Osborn kids were not famous or celebrities, their short reign of popularity was only because people liked making fun of them. They were a joke.
Well, being the offspring of one can be tough, like you said.
I don't think 1500+ people suddenly having an outburst just because a famous person's son "ripped off" something.
They've could have started nitpicking before going off the deep end and call it a ripoff. :/
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So...what is the plot of Incarnate?
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So...what is the plot of Incarnate?
You and me buddy, but with otakutards on the prowl, I don't think Incarnate won't last very long on the shelves due to the shitstorm.
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The problem with Incarnate--at least with me--is that Mr. Simmons quite obviously traced right over other artists' work and claimed that it was all his original artwork. I know nothing about the story, but I have been wondering that same thing. Is the story a rip-off too? The art is my primary concern, however. You just can't get away with doing stuff like this these days.
You and me buddy, but with otakutards on the prowl, I don't think Incarnate won't last very long on the shelves due to the shitstorm.
It's already been pulled off the shelves and the publisher is undergoing an investigation.
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The comic book series is about a fictional species of creatures, Revenants. The Revenants are almost immortal as they can regenerate their bodies. The storyline focuses on a Revenant named Mot, who has lived for hundreds of years because of the Revenant’s regenerative capacity. Mot desires to die honorably on the battlefield for the Revenants, but can’t because they are almost immortal. However, when the “SANCTUM” organization finds a way to kill Revenants, Mot sees the avenue to his death. The storyline is typical of manga genres with an ambiguous concept of good and evil.
from Wikipedia
Actually, I asked how Mat Moylan,(from Udon) being part of a publishing company himself, feels about the matter, and what his reaction would be if he was in Radical Publishing's place.
If this situation happened at UDON, I'd probably do the same thing. Cancel the series, destroy all copies, apologize profusely to the Japanese creator & publisher, and never work with that "artist" again.
I would not really put any blame on the publisher though, this pretty much all on the artist. Even though Bleach is massively popular, you can't expect everyone to have read it. I read some manga but have never read Bleach, so I would never have picked up on it that way. A few others at UDON who have read the series probably would have noticed.
Probably the Radical publishing's big mistake here was relying on a celebrity name and nothing else to sell a book. Basically that Nick's dad is Gene Simmons. Ignoring the fact that so much content is plagiarized, the quality of the final artwork is really not at a professional level. It should never have been published in the first place in my opinion. Pretty much all the book had going for it was that Nick is the son of someone famous.
Will be interesting to see how this story plays out this week. The best that can come of this situation is that other swipers are scared off of swiping for a while.
Posted on: March 16, 2010, 05:27:17 PM
Actually, ALSO from Wikiapedia...
The series was originally called Skullduggery and was due to be released in 2007 by IDW Publishing, who publish the Simmons Comic Group family of titles, headed by Nick's father Gene Simmons. However, this deal fell through because, according to Nick Simmons:
“ Well, first off, the art simply wasn't good enough. The people at IDW must have had the patience of saints to deal with the chicken scratch I turned in to them. My art was messy and juvenile. Amateur at best. I'm nowhere near pro now, to be sure, but I'm miles beyond what i used to be, especially in character design and overall neatness. And, with the help of Nam Kim and his team, the book has really turned into something I can be proud of. ”
Simmons was planning on continuing the series in some form, perhaps as a webcomic, but Radical Comics co-founder Barry Levine saw some art when negotiating a deal with Gene Simmons and offered to publish Incarnate, although he did tell Nick Simmons to start over. The series was then relaunched in mid-2009 with Radical holding a launch party at the San Diego Comic Con. The 3-issue mini-series is intended as the first part of a longer story: "I've always planned to make this a long-running series and it continues to evolve as I plan the second and third arcs". However, production was halted, on the comic books and collected editions, due to accusations of plagiarism.
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It's sad that they honestly were only relying on the Simmons name to sell copies. Meanwhile, there are real artists out there--with more talent in their pinky than what Nick Simmons will ever have--who are struggling to just get hosted on the internet.
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Yep, he is [tornado fang]'d
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If you check Radical Publishing's site,
"The production and distribution of this title is currently on hold. We sincerely appreciate your understanding."