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Title: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on November 09, 2009, 08:09:33 PM
Okay, guize. Here we talk about comics. Of any kind(except JAPANESE manga).

What are you guys currently reading?

Well, I for example, am more or less keeping track of Marvel's Dark Reign event. Also, the Transformers series from IDW and Sonic the Hedgehog comic.

Speaking of which, did anyone here read/is reading the Transformers comic? It's pretty awesome, I must say. All Hail Megatron is a great series, and I recommend everyone to read it.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on November 09, 2009, 08:46:31 PM
The only Transformers comic I keep looking out for is pretty much anything related to Beast Wars.  Those are the ones that interest me more than anything.

For me, my favorite thing going on in comics right now is Blackest Night from DC.  The whole event has been 5 years in the making, ever since Green Lantern: Rebirth.  GL has been my favorite comics out ever since Rebirth, and it continues to be.  The Flash: Rebirth is also going awesomely as well so far.  Essentially, anything that Geoff Johns is writing, I'm probably collecting.  His run on Superman is easily the best the comic has been in so very very long.  His update of his origin, Superman: Secret Origins, is thus fan brilliant.  Also, Morrison's Batman & Robin is also another one of my favorite comics out now.  I love Damian.  He's [tornado fang]ing awesome. 
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on November 09, 2009, 09:08:30 PM
So it seems like you are more of a DC kind of guy? Well, I'm more into Marvel.

Also, I'm planning to give this whole "Blackest Night" a go. Tough, not now. I have more crap to read.

Also, you should totally check out that Transformers IDW series, maan.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on November 09, 2009, 09:19:06 PM
Oh, I haven't liked Marvel for a long time now.  The last thing I read from Marvel was Planet Hulk, which was an excellent series.  I'll eventually pick up Annihilation too.  As for the rest of the Marvel U, I just really haven't gotten into it at all.  Plus, the majority of my favorite characters are in DC and I'm poor.  I will say though that I did keep track of Captain America since Brubaker took over.  I'd venture to say that Brubaker & Johns are the best two writers out there right now.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Gaia on November 09, 2009, 09:22:10 PM
I've had plenty of Spider-Man comics, including where he's warped to the future (2010 I think.. I have a whole collection in a desk drawer, so I might re-look into that), and a few more, I loved that series (this kinda makes me a Marvel guy, right?).
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Gotham Ranger on November 09, 2009, 09:25:54 PM
I wish I had the money to keep up with comics.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Align on November 09, 2009, 10:37:00 PM
I just bought a single mag of Uti Vår Hage, does that count?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Police Girl on November 09, 2009, 10:39:28 PM
The last time I read a comic book was a few years ago, it was a simpsons comic. I never really read any DC or Marvel comics.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: The Drunken Dishwasher on November 10, 2009, 05:33:32 AM
After managing an import of Cybersix volumes 1 and 2, it's fun reading it in spanish.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on November 10, 2009, 07:58:27 AM
Currently I'm following Green Lantern.  And any tie-in issues pertaining to the Blackest Night storyline.  I'm also reading Flash: Rebirth, Arkham Reborn, Deadpool, Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Star Wars: Invasion, and various comics that just happen to catch my fancy that day.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on November 10, 2009, 08:00:07 AM
I havent picked up a comic book in a while. Gotta stop being lazy and head over to my local Krypton comics...
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: DarkWaltz on November 11, 2009, 04:13:36 AM
Mostly Sonic the Hedgehog although I had to stop awhile due to bills. -_- I'm not much for majority of comics due to a... well, lack of knowledge for good comics.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on November 11, 2009, 06:53:25 AM
Comic books I have...
Lost Universe #5 (Tekno Comix)

Wrath #4 (Malibu Comics)

Wetworks #3(Image)

Superman #50 (DC) It says December '90

Superman #669 (DC) September '91

Superman (DC, published by "Clarin comic book library") (I bought this in Argentina in- like 02-03 or something. Its a compilation of various different superman stories, from different comics. (even the original by the creators themselves)

Batman Adventures #24 (DC) (based on the animated series of the same name)

Batman #450 (DC) July '90

Armageddon- The Alien Agenda (DC) December '91

Ragman #1 (DC)

Nightwatch #1 I think (Marvel)

Power Mark #2 (Power Mark comics?) (Dont ask... Its a comic book I bought in a christian store a long time ago- I mean hey, it had giant robots and cool futuristic [parasitic bomb], so i was sold. Its naturally, for a christian bookstore comic, revolves around religeon. Doesnt stop the story from being somewhat interesting, abeit rather corny at times...)

Ill post pictures some time.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Zx on November 17, 2009, 02:28:34 AM
Well the comic from the Heroes tv show is cool.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on November 21, 2009, 11:27:13 AM
Starting back up in the Outsiders series again.  I lost track of it after the "Checkout" storyarc when my local comic shop closed.  Lots track of a number of series I was following that day.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Sky on November 21, 2009, 11:29:39 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maus
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on November 21, 2009, 11:32:01 AM
Great series.  That's one of the classics of the comics medium, like having "War and Piece" in your library.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on November 21, 2009, 08:29:20 PM
Flash: Rebirth #5 was [tornado fang]ing great.  You know, Geoff Johns is just an amazing writer.  He managed to make a character I wasn't fond of totally awesome!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on November 22, 2009, 09:33:49 AM
Indeed!  I'm glad he's back writing Flash again.  For a while, with his absence, it was actually a bit slow.  Then Johns came back and the Flash picked up speed.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on November 22, 2009, 09:35:00 AM
Not to mention that I love Wally's new uniform, giving him the Flash emblem from the Justice League series.  Also, he's made Professor Zoom, the Reverse-Flash, more bad-ass than ever before.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Sky on November 22, 2009, 09:50:29 AM
did anyone actually read the doom comic?
(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/doom/images/0/0d/Doomcomic.png)
i cant even begin to point out all the things wrong with it but it is the funniest [parasitic bomb] ever
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on November 22, 2009, 09:55:47 AM
That comic was hilarious.  "I've got a fist full of vertebrae and a head full of mad!"
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on November 22, 2009, 09:58:11 AM
So that's where that comes from...
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Sky on November 22, 2009, 09:58:28 AM
"I'm radioactive, that can't be good!"
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Archer on November 22, 2009, 10:02:32 AM
did anyone actually read the doom comic?
(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/doom/images/0/0d/Doomcomic.png)
i cant even begin to point out all the things wrong with it but it is the funniest [parasitic bomb] ever
XD Why haven't I read this yet?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on November 22, 2009, 10:04:26 PM
Hmmm. I read "The Phantom" and Spiderman in the Sunday Comics. Does that count?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on November 26, 2009, 06:46:49 AM
Er... not quite.

Oh, and did anyone get a look at Blackest Night and Green Lantern this week? Atrocius and Larfreeze need their own sitcom. Now.

And and Matt Fraction's Invincible Iron Man is just plain awesomeness.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on November 26, 2009, 06:48:08 AM
GL #48 & Blackest Night #5 were so [tornado fang]ing awesome. 

So was Superman: Secret Origins #3.  Man, Geoff Johns is the best.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on November 26, 2009, 06:50:52 AM
The man's in my personal pantheon, along with Weird Al and the Magical Platypus. And how could I forget Superman: Secret Origin? My pal Gauntlet doesn't care for the post-Infinite Crisis Superman mythos, but they finally set it right in my opinion.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on November 26, 2009, 06:52:22 AM
Dammit, Larfleeze just needs his own title. XD  He's hilarious!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on November 26, 2009, 06:58:56 AM
The man's in my personal pantheon, along with Weird Al and the Magical Platypus. And how could I forget Superman: Secret Origin? My pal Gauntlet doesn't care for the post-Infinite Crisis Superman mythos, but they finally set it right in my opinion.

Yeah, if it's the same Gauntlet as the one here, I already let him know that he should check out Secret Origins.

And yeah, Larfleeze is [tornado fang]ing awesome.

(http://texcap.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/blackest-night-6.jpg)

And I really really love this poster.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on November 26, 2009, 07:03:39 AM
Great poster. XD

And yeah, that's the same Gauntlet. 
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on November 26, 2009, 07:07:09 AM
I need that poster on my wall.

And good luck convincing G to pick up the series, he's a huge continuity buff and the two of us of spent countless hours debating in on instant messenger.  ;)
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on November 26, 2009, 07:09:01 AM
Heh, as of now, this is the best telling of his origin to date.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on November 26, 2009, 07:11:00 AM
Heh, as of now, this is the best telling of his origin to date.

Agreed. If not for restoring the Legion and Mon-El to the Superman mythos.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on November 26, 2009, 07:12:49 AM
What I like is how it combines a lot of the elements of Superman's origin in various forms, from the Animated Series to Smallville and so on.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on November 26, 2009, 07:22:48 AM
Don't forget the movie, I especially liked that scene where Supes saves Lois for the first time.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on November 26, 2009, 10:03:53 AM
I didnt like Smallville that much. It was cool at first, but then they started introducing characters he meets as Superman.

Sure, technically its an AU Clark, but still. I clearly remember the early promos for the show having a few bits in rapid succession, and then teasing us with the silhouette of superman.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on November 26, 2009, 02:17:41 PM
Hey, did Marvel's event "Siege" already begun? Because I'm once again out of loop.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on November 26, 2009, 03:14:11 PM
The mini itself doesn't start until January, but there's a "Seige" related one-shot starring the Cabal that comes out next month.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on November 28, 2009, 10:34:22 AM
SO since PB and Quickie are doing that Lantern thin, Ive decided to read up on the events leading up to Blackest night. (specially since Flame's tken the position of Black Lantern).

And so far, I have to admit, I have found my favorite scene in the whole thing. Im sure.

[spoiler](http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac71/Flame-G102/GLRebirth6of6-0203.jpg)[/spoiler]
It doesnt get more badass than that. XD
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on November 28, 2009, 10:57:03 AM
Green Lantern: Rebirth was easily one of the best comics I've read in a long time.  The Absolute Edition of it comes out next year, and I really want it, even though I already own all the issues.  We'll see what extra stuff comes with it.

Also, as for favorite scenes in all of GL, from Rebirth to Blackest Night...

[spoiler](http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/2859/sinbat.jpg)

It was when the Sinestro Corps was first forming.  I found it so awesome that, in ALL of Sector 2814, the first person the Yellow Ring of Fear went to was the goddamn Batman. 

"BRUCE WAYNE OF EARTH.  YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO INSTILL GREAT FEAR.  WELCOME TO THE SINESTRO CORPS."[/spoiler]
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on November 30, 2009, 12:38:37 AM
lol. Havent gotten there yet, but I ive seen that. and yeah. its pretty funny.

Posted on: November 28, 2009, 05:11:57 AM
I just read the end of the Sinestro corps war.
[spoiler]While it was cool, I couldnt help but feel extremely sorry for Cyborg Superman at the end when the Manhunters find his remains.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: OmegaZ on November 30, 2009, 04:32:18 AM
I have the Avengers #1 - 3 lying around somewhere.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on November 30, 2009, 05:05:49 AM
lol. Havent gotten there yet, but I ive seen that. and yeah. its pretty funny.

Posted on: November 28, 2009, 05:11:57 AM
I just read the end of the Sinestro corps war.
[spoiler]While it was cool, I couldnt help but feel extremely sorry for Cyborg Superman at the end when the Manhunters find his remains.[/spoiler]

LoL, I felt fine!  He's a douche! 
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on November 30, 2009, 05:21:14 AM
He was, he was, no one's debating that, but in the end, he was pretty much doing it so he could find his death. He even THANKED the Green lanterns for killing him. And then, when he had finally found the nothingness he had done it all for, he gets revived by the manhunters who insist on having him as their master.

maybe im just too empathetic or somethin.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on November 30, 2009, 10:48:42 AM
Green Lantern: Rebirth was easily one of the best comics I've read in a long time.  The Absolute Edition of it comes out next year, and I really want it, even though I already own all the issues.  We'll see what extra stuff comes with it.

Also, as for favorite scenes in all of GL, from Rebirth to Blackest Night...

[spoiler](http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/2859/sinbat.jpg)

It was when the Sinestro Corps was first forming.  I found it so awesome that, in ALL of Sector 2814, the first person the Yellow Ring of Fear went to was the goddamn Batman. 

"BRUCE WAYNE OF EARTH.  YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO INSTILL GREAT FEAR.  WELCOME TO THE SINESTRO CORPS."[/spoiler]

As awesome as that is, what my favourite scene so far is...

[spoiler]That tease of the Scarecrow almost getting a ring.  I mean, c'mon!  The Scarecrow!  That pissed me off that he didn't get the ring.  Geoff Johns better rectify that.

"JONATHON CRANE OF EARTH.  YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO INSTILL GREAT FEAR.  WELCOME TO THE SINESTRO CORPS."[/spoiler]
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on November 30, 2009, 10:38:56 PM
That was pretty cool.
[spoiler] I liked the insight into the Black mercy's origin. never knew it came from a huge mother mercy.
lol, I couldnt help ity, but when they fell down into where Mother mercy was, I actually said out loud; BOSS TIME!
I thought it was cool how she was chosen by BOTH the sinestro corps, AND the Green lantern corps.
Poor Bzzd. :C

Also, it strikes me stupid of the lanterns that they wouldnt put a permanent clamp on vice's mouth, considering Red lantern acid/napalm thing was SEEN to be able to burn Sinestro's cell. and yet they leave him in a cell without that problem rectified.
Also, Guy Gardner continues to be awesome. XD[/spoiler]
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Blackhook on November 30, 2009, 10:42:40 PM
As awesome as that is, what my favourite scene so far is...

[spoiler]That tease of the Scarecrow almost getting a ring.  I mean, c'mon!  The Scarecrow!  That pissed me off that he didn't get the ring.  Geoff Johns better rectify that.

"JONATHON CRANE OF EARTH.  YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO INSTILL GREAT FEAR.  WELCOME TO THE SINESTRO CORPS."[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Scarecrow with a yellow ring....Overpowered too much?  >0<[/spoiler]
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Sub Tank on November 30, 2009, 10:44:17 PM
This is my favorite comic.

[spoiler]
(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9191/kc17403eng.jpg) (http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9191/kc17403eng.jpg)[/spoiler]
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Jericho on November 30, 2009, 11:50:12 PM
This is my favorite comic.

[spoiler]
(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9191/kc17403eng.jpg) (http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9191/kc17403eng.jpg)[/spoiler]

Do tell. PM?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Sub Tank on December 01, 2009, 02:19:12 AM
It's called Alice in Wonderland.

I don't know how they got away with that.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Gaia on December 01, 2009, 02:24:40 AM
Well, it sure must be a wonderful comic to read. I doubt many comic book stores sell these.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on December 01, 2009, 06:38:45 PM
HEY HEY YOU YOU

Guize, so all this talk about BLACKEST NIGHT made me finally decide on reading this crap. Where should I start, and what titles are essential?

kthx
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on December 01, 2009, 06:42:44 PM
Well, the story was set into motion with Green Lantern: Rebirth.  After that, I read The Sinestro Corps War, volumes I and II, Rage of the Red Lanterns and Agent Orange.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on December 01, 2009, 09:13:57 PM
HEY HEY YOU YOU

Guize, so all this talk about BLACKEST NIGHT made me finally decide on reading this crap. Where should I start, and what titles are essential?

kthx

I'd start with Green Lantern: Rebirth and just keep on reading from there.  Also add in Green Lantern Corps too.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on December 02, 2009, 09:48:29 AM
What they said.
Also, I agree- Larfleeze needs his own miniseries. He's too hilarious not to.

Anyway, up to GLc 48.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on December 03, 2009, 03:40:24 AM
Is anyone here picking up "World of New Krypton"?

Secret Origins aside, I find this the most enjoyable Superman title at the moment. I dig the interstellar intrigue, and closer look at Kryptonian culture.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on December 03, 2009, 03:43:26 AM
Is anyone here picking up "World of New Krypton"?

Secret Origins aside, I find this the most enjoyable Superman title at the moment. I dig the interstellar intrigue, and closer look at Kryptonian culture.

I'm waiting for the Trade Paperback of those.  But everything Geoff has written for Supes has been excellent.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on December 08, 2009, 06:54:26 AM
Well it's Greg Rucka and James Robinson that are writing the mini-series and while my interest in Action and Superman are lukewarm these two have a synergy that makes this maxi-series a compelling read.

Posted on: December 02, 2009, 09:45:31 PM
I don't know the policy on double-posting here but I had to post this:

[spoiler]Oh snap! Superboy-Prime found Dan DiDio. There will be much bloodletting. http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2009/12/advc_5_dylux-6-copy.jpg[/spoiler]
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Ninja Lou on December 08, 2009, 09:13:49 AM
Wow how did I miss this topic... what am I currently reading lemme check

Adventure Comics
Batman
Batman and Robin
Batman: Street of Gotham
Blackest Night
Gotham City Sirens
Green Lantern
Green Lantern Corps
Witchblade
Street Fighter II Turbo
Street Fighter IV
Amazing Spider-Man
Captain America
Captain America Reborn
Daredevil
Deadpool
Deadpool: Team-up
New Avengers
Wolverine
Wolverine: Origins


Looking forward to Mass Effect: Redemption, Captain America: Who Will Wield the Shield, I am thinking of trying out Psylocke and the Witchblade spin off Angelus
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on December 22, 2009, 10:40:21 AM
[parasitic bomb], I completely forgot to thank you guys for your suggestions. Well, THANKS GUIZE.

I finally had some time, and am starting reading teh comics again. I'm happy to see that Siege finally began.

Doom was [tornado fang]ing awesome in the first issue of The Cabal. He showed that pussy Osborn, how much of a pussy he is. : D

Also, I've read the newest issues of "Sonic Universe". Doc Fin returns finally. I think he's the only original comic villain character that doesn't suck. He's also a S Rank troll too.
I seriously enjoy the Sonic comic now. It's so different now from how it was som e time ago.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Ninja Lou on December 23, 2009, 08:47:49 AM
Hmmm a Dragon age comic being written by Orson Scott Card. I will have to look into this
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on December 30, 2009, 09:40:10 PM
Hey, going back to Blackest Night; How is that one guy still half Green lantern along with half Black lantern?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Blaze Yeager on December 30, 2009, 09:42:38 PM
Reading All of The Original Spider Man comics..starting to Read Issue 1
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on January 08, 2010, 05:55:15 AM
Finally was able to get to the store today and pick up some comics that were waiting for me, namely Blackest Night #6.  I read it when I got back and nerdgasmed.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on February 04, 2010, 07:40:49 PM
Oh my God... this will be SO [tornado fang]ing CASH!

[spoiler](http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/7456/siege2legioncps035.jpg)[/spoiler]
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Mirby on February 04, 2010, 07:51:01 PM
I read the Futurama comic... It's great.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Gary Loaki on February 04, 2010, 10:24:48 PM
Scott Pilgrim, anyone? It's one of my favorites, and I can't wait for the final volume to be released.  >0<

Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: SUIKA on February 08, 2010, 09:55:48 PM
JTHM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_the_Homicidal_Maniac) and Squee! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squee) both changed my life. Y'know. From a narrative, cinematic point of view.

Does anyone else know what I Feel Sick or Fillerbunny are like? There must be plenty of Jhonen Vasquez fans here after him doing Invader Zim'n all.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on February 08, 2010, 09:58:23 PM
Oh my God... this will be SO [tornado fang]ing CASH!

[spoiler](http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/7456/siege2legioncps035.jpg)[/spoiler]

Easily one of the most awesome end panels to a comic ever.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on February 08, 2010, 10:02:51 PM
Easily one of the most awesome end panels to a comic ever.
Hell yeah it is.
Also, fun fact:
Norman has no idea what the [tornado fang] is he doing with the armor. Additionally, he has an old ass one.
It's got to hurt.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on February 08, 2010, 10:04:27 PM
Well it hasn't hurt yet, as we should see the Shield hit him in Issue 3 of The Siege.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on February 08, 2010, 10:13:04 PM
Well it hasn't hurt yet, as we should see the Shield hit him in Issue 3 of The Siege.
Well, yeah.
Still, I don't think they would troll us, and have it NOT hit him.
On the other hand, it was Marvel that allowed Ultimatum to happen. : /
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on February 08, 2010, 10:15:54 PM
Oh that shield is definitely hitting him!  No question.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Blackhook on February 08, 2010, 10:25:23 PM
America to the head?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Acid on February 27, 2010, 06:54:41 PM
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[spoiler](http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq22/mywarehouse/BlackestNight7025-26.jpg)[/spoiler]
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on February 28, 2010, 06:57:25 AM
[spoiler]OH, I KNOW.

I thought that was [tornado fang]ing bad-ass.  I'm also happy because the series after this, Brightest Day, comes with a White Ring.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: borockman on February 28, 2010, 06:59:05 AM
Oh wow!
[spoiler]So now we need a white lantern too?[/spoiler]
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on February 28, 2010, 07:14:24 AM
[spoiler]We honestly don't know yet.  As of right now, Sinestro is the only one as he bonded with the power of "The Entity" which is life itself.  So we don't know what lies in store for Sinestro or the other Corps right now.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Dr. Wily II on February 28, 2010, 02:53:23 PM
[spoiler]Hold up there. Sinestro? White Lanturn!? D:[/spoiler]
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Acid on February 28, 2010, 02:57:40 PM
[spoiler]OH, I KNOW.

I thought that was [tornado fang]ing bad-ass.  I'm also happy because the series after this, Brightest Day, comes with a White Ring.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]I'm actually not surprised that there's a White Lantern. Seemed obvious. What surprised me was the fact that Sinestro became the White Lantern.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on February 28, 2010, 06:20:28 PM
[spoiler]I'm actually not surprised that there's a White Lantern. Seemed obvious. What surprised me was the fact that Sinestro became the White Lantern.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Oh that was a huge surprise for everyone I think.  Most people expected Hal to get every ring and become a White Lantern, or something to that extent.  No one expected it to be Sinestro.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Gaia on February 28, 2010, 06:45:13 PM
[spoiler]Hold up there. Sinestro? White Lanturn!? D:[/spoiler]

[spoiler]At least I saw that coming, so it takes a certain x of rings to become a White Lantern. Kinda like how in Sonic the Comic it takes seven emeralds to become Super Sonic.[/spoiler]

Oh wow!
[spoiler]So now we need a white lantern too?[/spoiler]


[spoiler]I might take that position of White Lantern, if you will.  XD[/spoiler]
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on February 28, 2010, 06:49:35 PM
[spoiler]At least I saw that coming, so it takes a certain x of rings to become a White Lantern. Kinda like how in Sonic the Comic it takes seven emeralds to become Super Sonic.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Actually the amount of rings had nothing to do with him becoming a White Lantern.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Gaia on February 28, 2010, 07:18:05 PM
[spoiler]I see. I could just be missing out then, is there a website that hosts comic book scans and lets you read the full comic online?[/spoiler]
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Blackhook on February 28, 2010, 07:19:57 PM
[spoiler]White Lantern, no suprise. But seriously, Sinestro? Agent Orange would be more likely heck anyone but Sinestro was likely to become one. So, is Necron screwed or what?[/spoiler]
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Acid on February 28, 2010, 07:20:08 PM
Gaia that last post of yours contained no spoilers.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Gaia on February 28, 2010, 07:49:03 PM
Yeah, but it was a spoiler chat, it was bound to happen, plus people who are new to the Lantern Scene might not know who Sinestro is.

I'm gonna try to pick up this week's comic, still saving cash for it.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on March 02, 2010, 05:42:14 PM
Yknow, its funny, because it is a surprise, but looking back on the matter, it really isnt all too surprising. XD [spoiler]Sinestro always seems to be the anti hero... so him becoming everyone's savior is a surprise, but "should have been seen coming"[/spoiler]
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Waifu on March 03, 2010, 05:28:35 PM
I have a question, why is Superboy often compared to the Shinji Ikari of Evangelion fame? Was his character that cowardly?

Also, is there anything other comics more soul destorying and insightful then Watchmen and Kingdom Come?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on March 18, 2010, 11:56:10 AM
Uhahahahahahahahahahahaha!
The latest issue of Siege is... well, very interesting.

Apparently:

[spoiler]Norman looks like Goblin under the helmet, everyone sees that on TV. Asgard is completely destroyed by Sentry... and then Norman goes batshit and starts talking about how he wanted to protect them from HIM. Sentry apparently unleashes his full power or some [parasitic bomb], and it doesn't look too good.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]TOLDJA![/spoiler]
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on March 18, 2010, 08:16:30 PM
Uhahahahahahahahahahahaha!
The latest issue of Siege is... well, very interesting.

Apparently:

[spoiler]Norman looks like Goblin under the helmet, everyone sees that on TV. Asgard is completely destroyed by Sentry... and then Norman goes batshit and starts talking about how he wanted to protect them from HIM. Sentry apparently unleashes his full power or some [parasitic bomb], and it doesn't look too good.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]TOLDJA![/spoiler]

[spoiler]Oh come on, it HAD to be Sentry.  He's such a terrible character, that they could kill him off and no one would care.  Man, it was so nice to see Cap's shield hit Norman in the face.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on March 18, 2010, 08:31:22 PM
tell me, whos ever read THIS little ditty?
(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/9448/rvt1.jpg)
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on April 04, 2010, 05:20:05 AM
...Now I want to read that.  It looks like a hoot.

Anywho, Blackest Night.  The ending certainly posed some questions about a certain segment of the Corps...
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on April 04, 2010, 05:22:12 AM
tell me, whos ever read THIS little ditty?
(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/9448/rvt1.jpg)

I have.  It's [tornado fang]ing awesome!

Anywho, Blackest Night.  The ending certainly posed some questions about a certain segment of the Corps...

Indeed it did.  Either way, Blackest Night was hands down one of, if not, the best "big event" comic book events ever.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on April 04, 2010, 05:29:09 AM
Indeed.  Can't wait for Brightest Day.  And hopefully Larfleeze's motto will be revealed.  Maybe.  Prolly not, as it's not Larfleeze's style to share.  But the other stuff...  Damn, I'm gonna need another longbox after Brightest Day.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on April 04, 2010, 05:33:59 AM
Heh, you are?  There are 3-4 new comics I've gotta start picking up once this rolls around.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on April 04, 2010, 05:57:01 AM
I have two longboxes, and once I get to reorganizing it again and pushing another section to the second box, I'll prolly need a third.  I don't get the super-longboxes, just the fits-nicely-on-a-shelf longboxes.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on April 04, 2010, 05:59:12 AM
Indeed.  And hey, why aren't you on yet?  XD
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on April 12, 2010, 06:22:35 AM
I have two longboxes, and once I get to reorganizing it again and pushing another section to the second box, I'll prolly need a third.  I don't get the super-longboxes, just the fits-nicely-on-a-shelf longboxes.

Phhh. You should see my closet, bookshelf, and under my bed. Over two thousand comic books collected from 1995 to present. But I need more Firestorm comics, and Flash comics with the Firestorm back up. (FLASH FACT: Did you know that a Firestorm back-up was the first gig George Perez did for DC?)

Yes, I'm a Firestorm fanboy. And Yes, I'm glad that Ronnie's back in Blackest Night/Brightest Day, and even more estatic that he's paired with Jason.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on April 12, 2010, 06:35:44 AM
Something tells me Jason won't be too happy with that pairing.

Meanwhile I'm very happy that J'onn is back.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on May 02, 2010, 04:29:31 AM
Indeed.  The League just wasn't the same without him.  Though, with death in comics being that vacation to Key West that it is, it's only a matter of time til the long-established claw their way back. 

Otherwise, publishers would be inundated with hordes of pissed-off nerds.  And pissed-off nerds are never a pretty sight.

Posted on: April 13, 2010, 05:49:24 AM
It's May 1st!  Do you know what day it is?

Kids: "What day is it??"

It's...

FREE COMIC BOOK DAY! (http://www.freecomicbookday.com/)

So, what did your local comic shop do to celebrate?  Artist Kevin Graham came to the Mechanicsburg Comix Connection, along with the Garrison Carida of the 501st Legion!  I hugged a TIE pilot! XD  Pics will be coming soon (as I need to get the rest of them from someone).  Got a ton of free comics, too.

Anyone else have a great FCBD?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on May 02, 2010, 06:23:35 AM
Heh, I couldn't make it to FCBD, but usually most of the FC I care about I already buy!  XD
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on May 03, 2010, 06:25:18 AM
I still am waiting on the pics Ace (another Ace) took, but here's the ones I took.  Behold, the Garrison Carida of the 501st Legion:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/QuickmanEXE/Random/FCBDStormtrooper.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/QuickmanEXE/Random/FCBDTIEPilot.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/QuickmanEXE/Random/FCBDCommando.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/QuickmanEXE/Random/FCBDScouttroopers01.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/QuickmanEXE/Random/FCBDScouttrooperCommando.jpg)

I'll post the other images as soon as I get 'em.  Needless to say, Comix Connection is awesome.  They have mini comic cons. XD
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Black Mage J on May 03, 2010, 06:29:02 AM
Thats a nice Dark Trooper, or whatever type of trooper it's supposed to be.
Bike trooper looks kinda sad though.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on May 03, 2010, 07:10:48 AM
Shadow stormtrooper (ignoring that I called the file "Commando," I just wanted to get the pics off my phone.), and I got to hug the scout trooper and TIE pilot.  
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on May 05, 2010, 06:50:29 AM
I had to work on FCBD so I wasn't able to make it, but I made it home before "Doctor Who" came on so I was too disappointed.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on May 12, 2010, 06:23:53 PM
SOOOOOOOO

Who's excited for the return of the GODDAMN BATMAN TODAY?

Batman: Return of Bruce Wayne #1 comes out today, and we'll get to see Bats and his cavemen hijinx, in what could possibly be the best damn Batman comic series ever. Overdone seriousness with gritty nighttime city stories? Screw that, MY Batman travels through time and fights PIRATES!

(http://www.ifanboy.com/files/images/dc/Batman%20Return%20of%20Bruce%20Wayne_1_uncolored.jpg)

Aside from that, other awesome comics come out today. Flash#2 for example, will have me face against the new very bishonen futuristic Rogues. Which will be undoubtly awesome. But you guys already have to coexist with me everyday, so let's move on. Let's not forget about a very fan-favorite's return.

(http://www.thenextfreakshow.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Brightest-Day-_Justice-League-Generation-Lost.jpg)

Justice League: Generation Lost features the return of the JLI/Superbuddies team, written by the very same writers of the original books. Since this is about looking for Max Lord, I don't think it's gonna be full comedy, but there might be room for some jolly teaming up among the old gang. I just hope Ted comes back. We miss you, Ted.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on May 12, 2010, 06:32:03 PM
I'm waiting for Siege 4... yes, I'm serious.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on May 12, 2010, 06:45:09 PM
I'm waiting for Siege 4... yes, I'm serious.
We all are. Can't wait to see prissy blonde junkie get his ASS KICKED.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on May 12, 2010, 07:02:11 PM
On my way to the Comic store right after school!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on May 12, 2010, 07:21:31 PM
On my way to the Comic store right after school!
Lucky bastard. I gotta wait from a week to a month until I can get my comic fix. Meanwhile, I'll wait for the scans.

SIEGE #4: Well, that was pretty dissapointing. I thought I was gonna see a good ol' team-up, from what I expected. Not much.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on May 12, 2010, 10:32:12 PM
SIEGE #4: Well, that was pretty dissapointing. I thought I was gonna see a good ol' team-up, from what I expected. Not much.

Yeah, I gotta say that Siege #4 was kind of a let down.

Meanwhile, I'm still loving The Flash, it was nice to see the Birds of Prey back together, and I'm enjoying The Return of Bruce Wayne.  Also Generation Lost was pretty awesome.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on May 12, 2010, 10:42:23 PM
Yeah, I gotta say that Siege #4 was kind of a let down.

Meanwhile, I'm still loving The Flash, it was nice to see the Birds of Prey back together, and I'm enjoying The Return of Bruce Wayne.  Also Generation Lost was pretty awesome.
The Flash was awesome. I never dissapoint, I know I'm way too awesome for my own good. Count six seconds of your clock. I'll be building a huge metropolis on Sahara Desert. I'll call it the Goshdarn Flashopolis.

I still miss the times Max was good and awesome. Generation Lost is the first time he's written by the original writer after that. I missed it. He seems to have a bit of his old flair back. I'd give anything for a full retcon, back to the good ol' JLI.

And Batman? Holy crap. That was FRIGGIN' AMAZING. Seriously, how can you make such an awesome comic just with cavemen saying gibberish? Morrison made up a way of communication on his own that sounded absolutely cool, and there was the tie-in at the end with Time Masters. I know I'm gonna love this series.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on May 13, 2010, 04:13:26 AM
It helps that Morrison is crazy.  XD
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on May 13, 2010, 04:46:31 AM
It helps that Morrison is crazy.  XD
Good crazy. He makes wonderful, wonderful things. I have post-its on every single page of my Final Crisis book, every single frame checked infinite times for tiny details that may lead to this or that. It's Morrison, and I love it.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on May 13, 2010, 04:49:15 AM
Oh I'm a huge Morrison fan. His run on JLA was one of, if not, the best JLA ever.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on May 13, 2010, 04:50:59 AM
Oh I'm a huge Morrison fan. His run on JLA was one of, if not, the best JLA ever.
It was.Reading that first Infinite Mass Punch was... magical.

Too bad Robinson isn't doing that good of a job with JLA right now. That guy needs to either get back to Starman, or write that Shade ongoing he keeps saying he's gonna do.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on May 13, 2010, 04:53:38 AM
I think when Supes & Bats gets back to Earth fully, they need to ditch this team.  It's not that I have anything against the characters, but when I think JLA, I think the big 7.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on May 13, 2010, 05:42:12 AM
I think when Supes & Bats gets back to Earth fully, they need to ditch this team.  It's not that I have anything against the characters, but when I think JLA, I think the big 7.
It'll come and go. Status Quo is king. Plus J'onn's back. He'll bring the cookies.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on May 13, 2010, 05:48:23 AM
Due to apartment hunting, I'm two weeks behind picking up my comics... D:
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on May 13, 2010, 05:48:36 AM
Not only is J'onn back, but he continues to wear pants!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on May 13, 2010, 05:49:49 AM
Due to apartment hunting, I'm two weeks behind picking up my comics... D:
I know how that is. Better pick them up fast, or the price will pile up.

And yes! J'onn's pants are something of a marvel.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on May 13, 2010, 05:51:44 AM
I'm hoping to run in on Friday.  Though, once I move, I'm gonna need to switch my subscription service to another store. 
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on May 27, 2010, 09:15:25 PM
This is sad news. (http://kotaku.com/5548965/no-more-joker-for-luke-skywalker)
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on May 28, 2010, 03:12:24 AM
This is sad news. (http://kotaku.com/5548965/no-more-joker-for-luke-skywalker)
Oh please. He said the same thing about the first game. He'll be back. He's like Kojima and Metal Gear.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Waifu on May 28, 2010, 06:42:45 PM
Oh please. He said the same thing about the first game. He'll be back. He's like Kojima and Metal Gear.

Except Konami just doesn't want him to stop, it makes them too much money and money speaks a language everyone understands.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on May 28, 2010, 07:49:39 PM
Except Konami just doesn't want him to stop, it makes them too much money and money speaks a language everyone understands.
Who says DC wants Mark Hamill to stop with Joker? And who says they aren't willing to shower him with cash?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on May 30, 2010, 02:00:31 AM
That discussion in DCAU thread, about Countdown being horribly bad, has reunited me with my memories of...

Well... I once went to ask /co/, about what Doctor Doom story should I read.
Someone mentioned Ultimates 3... and since I remember reading Ultimate X-men once upon a time(and lovin' it) I decided to give it a shot.

Oh boy, what a wild ride that was.
I was [tornado fang]ing facepalming through the whole volume, and let me tell you something... it lead to one of the worst things ever created.

ULTI-[tornado fang]ing-MATUM!

They killed off most of the Ultimate X-men and, and... Jesus.


LOOOEEEEEBBBBBBBB!!!

I'm still sometimes raging about this, especially when I see the new "stunts" Loeb pulls off.
Am I alone?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on May 30, 2010, 02:05:23 AM
I'm still sometimes raging about this, especially when I see the new "stunts" Loeb pulls off.
Am I alone?

I think it's pretty much universally agreed that the name "Jeph Loeb" can almost be synonymous with "Comic Book Cancer" amongst comic fans.  In ONE issue, just ONE, he single handedly ruined one of the greatest comics ever, being the Ultimates.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Waifu on May 30, 2010, 02:09:05 AM
One issue? That is kind of amazing in an odd sort of way.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on May 30, 2010, 02:27:04 AM
That discussion in DCAU thread, about Countdown being horribly bad, has reunited me with my memories of...

Well... I once went to ask /co/, about what Doctor Doom story should I read.
Someone mentioned Ultimates 3... and since I remember reading Ultimate X-men once upon a time(and lovin' it) I decided to give it a shot.

Oh boy, what a wild ride that was.
I was [tornado fang]ing facepalming through the whole volume, and let me tell you something... it lead to one of the worst things ever created.

ULTI-[tornado fang]ing-MATUM!

They killed off most of the Ultimate X-men and, and... Jesus.


LOOOEEEEEBBBBBBBB!!!

I'm still sometimes raging about this, especially when I see the new "stunts" Loeb pulls off.
Am I alone?

Jeph Loeb. Now there's a tale to tell. Gather around, ye kiddies.

You see, Jeph Loeb used to be good. Heck, he used to be great. He's called "superstar writer Jeph Loeb" exactly for the good stories he wrote back then. Batman: The Long Halloween. Batman: Dark Victory. Superman For All Seasons. His colaborations with Tim Sale was really well done, and they brought a spirit to the DC world which would mold certain Batman mysteries for years AND YEARS to come. Hush was also a great story, no matter how many naysayers might call it nowadays. Without editor interference, it would have been great, and it would have brought back Jason Todd in a much better way. Problem is, Jeph started to get kinda stale. His first arc on Superman/Batman kinda showed us that his stuff wasn't really getting better with time. And then, something happened. His son died.

Now, I got a small theory of mine. All genius comic book writers basically go batshit insane one day. Frank Miller had 9/11 as a catalyst. Jeph Loeb had his son's death. Garth Ennis... [parasitic bomb], I dunno what happened to him, but there's gotta be some explanation from how he went from making the very best arcs of John Constantine, to writing snuff [parasitic bomb] in The Boys.

When the Ultimate books started selling better than the 616 main universe, the editors got a bit upset. So they sent the Ultimate people to 616, and made Loeb do the Ultimates 3 series. Which, after the awesome which was Ultimates 1 and 2, was complete ASS. And Ultimatum might as well be the very worst even in comic book history. It's basically Jeph Loeb [tornado fang]ing everything over. EVERYTHING. Murders, people acting out of character, MORE murders...

So, yeah. Poor Jeph Loeb. Pity him, people. For he was once a great writer.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on May 30, 2010, 02:47:07 AM
I know that death of someone you love(even more so your own son) is/can be/probably is devastating. It might affect you in many ways.
Which does not change the fact, that he should be, at least for the most part, over it now. Yet, he keeps making crap.
Why?
Because he's a hack? Probably.
Everyone praises his old DC stuff... maybe he's just not able to accomplish anything on the Marvel side?
Possibly.
Why does Marvel even let him write their big stuffs?
WAKARIMASEN LOL

At least Ultimates 3 had pretty pictures. : >
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on May 30, 2010, 02:49:37 AM
I know that death of someone you love(even more so your own son) is/can be/probably is devastating. It might affect you in many ways.
Which does not change the fact, that he should be, at least for the most part, over it now. Yet, he keeps making crap.
Why?
Because he's a hack? Probably.
Everyone praises his old DC stuff... maybe he's just not able to accomplish anything on the Marvel side?
Possibly.
Why does Marvel even let him write their big stuffs?
WAKARIMASEN LOL

At least Ultimates 3 had pretty pictures. : >
Ultimates 3 is by Joe Madureira. If your'e a 90's fan, or a Battle Chasers fan, just pretend the talk bubbles don't exist and look at the pretty art.

And yes, it's scary how much crap Loeb has shat out. Red Hulk alone has been one of the very worst arcs I've ever read. And the revelation was simply stupid.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on May 30, 2010, 02:52:29 AM
Battle Chasers, eh? I gotta check it out then. : P

What was the revelation? I didn't even bother with Red Hulk.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on May 30, 2010, 03:12:33 AM
Battle Chasers, eh? I gotta check it out then. : P

What was the revelation? I didn't even bother with Red Hulk.
Don't. If you like it, it's unfinished, and he doesn't seem like he will be finishing it soon.

...oh, and Red Hulk is General Ross and Red She-Hulk is Betty.

If anyone cared about this spoiler at all, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING READING RULK
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Post by: Flame on May 30, 2010, 03:22:38 AM
I liked how his B.T. got hotter the angrier he got.
But I really just skimmed. I saw a red hulk on the cover of a book at borders, so I skimmed through.
it was meh. but it was rulk that caught my eyes. I was like, "wait- I know there's a green, and gray one- theres a RED one now?"
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on May 30, 2010, 03:23:27 AM
I liked how his B.T. got hotter the angrier he got.
But I really just skimmed. I saw a red hulk on the cover of a book at borders, so I skimmed through.
it was meh. but it was rulk that caught my eyes. I was like, "wait- I know there's a green, and gray one- theres a RED one now?"
...and a blue one.
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Post by: Flame on May 30, 2010, 03:24:10 AM
O rly?
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Post by: Protoman Blues on May 30, 2010, 06:53:15 AM
Jeph Loeb. Now there's a tale to tell. Gather around, ye kiddies.

You see, Jeph Loeb used to be good. Heck, he used to be great. He's called "superstar writer Jeph Loeb" exactly for the good stories he wrote back then. Batman: The Long Halloween. Batman: Dark Victory. Superman For All Seasons. His colaborations with Tim Sale was really well done, and they brought a spirit to the DC world which would mold certain Batman mysteries for years AND YEARS to come. Hush was also a great story, no matter how many naysayers might call it nowadays. Without editor interference, it would have been great, and it would have brought back Jason Todd in a much better way. Problem is, Jeph started to get kinda stale. His first arc on Superman/Batman kinda showed us that his stuff wasn't really getting better with time. And then, something happened. His son died.

Now, I got a small theory of mine. All genius comic book writers basically go batshit insane one day. Frank Miller had 9/11 as a catalyst. Jeph Loeb had his son's death. Garth Ennis... [parasitic bomb], I dunno what happened to him, but there's gotta be some explanation from how he went from making the very best arcs of John Constantine, to writing snuff [parasitic bomb] in The Boys.

When the Ultimate books started selling better than the 616 main universe, the editors got a bit upset. So they sent the Ultimate people to 616, and made Loeb do the Ultimates 3 series. Which, after the awesome which was Ultimates 1 and 2, was complete ASS. And Ultimatum might as well be the very worst even in comic book history. It's basically Jeph Loeb [tornado fang]ing everything over. EVERYTHING. Murders, people acting out of character, MORE murders...

So, yeah. Poor Jeph Loeb. Pity him, people. For he was once a great writer.

And that's the tragic thing too.  I love his older stuff, like the ones you just mentioned.  Hell, Absolute Hush was the first Absolute I bought (Goddamn the Absolutes are sooooooooo beautiful). 
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on May 30, 2010, 12:55:31 PM
And that's the tragic thing too.  I love his older stuff, like the ones you just mentioned.  Hell, Absolute Hush was the first Absolute I bought (Goddamn the Absolutes are sooooooooo beautiful). 
I love Absolutes, but I don't see the need when it's smaller arcs, like Hush or Green Lantern Rebirth. I can understand the need for Absolute Watchmen, or Absolute Sandman, but why make such a huge book for something slimmer than my tongue?
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Post by: Protoman Blues on May 31, 2010, 08:05:19 AM
I love Absolutes, but I don't see the need when it's smaller arcs, like Hush or Green Lantern Rebirth. I can understand the need for Absolute Watchmen, or Absolute Sandman, but why make such a huge book for something slimmer than my tongue?

Cause it looks beautiful on display.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on May 31, 2010, 11:42:47 AM
Cause it looks beautiful on display.
But it takes up shelfspace when you could store about 5 regular comic arcs in there. =P
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Post by: Flame on June 18, 2010, 07:02:19 PM
Whos ever read Nightwatch?
(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/9438/nightwatch1.jpg)
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Post by: Blackhook on June 18, 2010, 07:03:46 PM
For some reson he seems..familiar
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Post by: Flame on June 18, 2010, 07:08:24 PM
I think he may have guest starred in Spider man.
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Post by: Blackhook on June 18, 2010, 07:09:53 PM
I don´t read comics...
Did he appear in any of the animated series?
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 18, 2010, 08:04:32 PM
Whos ever read Nightwatch?
(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/9438/nightwatch1.jpg)
That's 90's XXX-TREEEEEM, right? It all looks the same. =P
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Post by: Protoman Blues on June 18, 2010, 08:24:54 PM
Almost like Night Thrasher.  Of course, I liked the New Warriors.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 18, 2010, 08:38:15 PM
Almost like Night Thrasher.  Of course, I liked the New Warriors.
I remember the New Warriors. I used to love Speedball in the 90's. Of course, then he went SPIKESSPIKESSPIKES.

...at least Ellis wrote him well then. =P
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Post by: Protoman Blues on June 18, 2010, 08:41:40 PM
I remember the New Warriors. I used to love Speedball in the 90's. Of course, then he went SPIKESSPIKESSPIKES.

...at least Ellis wrote him well then. =P

Yeah I wasn't happy with what they did to Speedball.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 18, 2010, 09:57:54 PM
Yeah I wasn't happy with what they did to Speedball.
He's back as a mix of both personalities, as I can see. Does that mean Squirrel Girl will be a fangirl over him again? I hope so. Kinda miss her.

Also, having him teach in Avengers Academy may turn out to be cool.

Also, Mettle is SO MOE~
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/moe.jpg)
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Post by: Protoman Blues on June 18, 2010, 10:01:12 PM
.......is that him?  Why is he the Red Skull?  Wouldn't.......Cap be REALLY pissed at him for this?
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 18, 2010, 10:08:46 PM
.......is that him?  Why is he the Red Skull?  Wouldn't.......Cap be REALLY pissed at him for this?
No no no, Mettle is kind of a Colossus that can't turn his metal self off. But yes, the first issue of Avengers Academy does reveal that the whole kids' team that has been put there is there because they are the ones with the biggest risk of becoming the "next Red Skull or Magneto". So in a way, yeah.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on June 18, 2010, 10:10:38 PM
No no no, Mettle is kind of a Colossus that can't turn his metal self off. But yes, the first issue of Avengers Academy does reveal that the whole kids' team that has been put there is there because they are the ones with the biggest risk of becoming the "next Red Skull or Magneto". So in a way, yeah.

Similar to how the Titans became [tornado fang]'d up in the future.  Man, I miss Geoff writing that comic.....
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 18, 2010, 10:25:14 PM
Similar to how the Titans became [tornado fang]'d up in the future.  Man, I miss Geoff writing that comic.....
I honestly think a TON of team comics should be cancelled, and they should just have more teams and artists making a solid structure for the main comics. Tons of stuff gets shared artists, like Return of Bruce Wayne or the Blackest Night saga, which pretty much happened GL-BN-GL-BN-GL-BN if you wanted to make any sense of the story. Only... instead of doing the bullshit Amazing Spider-Man has going for its current structure, they should have one continuous story, so you can expect something good every week. Morrison and Johns have already shown they can write tons of stuff at a time.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on June 18, 2010, 10:30:58 PM
Well, I have no problem with JSA being canceled, as it's completely gone down without Johns behind the helm.  JLA needs to be given to Johns, or handed back to Morrison again.  I like the current Teen Titans team, but I just don't like the writing.  I like the idea of the generational teams though, like Teen Titans, JLA, and JSA.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 18, 2010, 10:35:01 PM
Well, I have no problem with JSA being canceled, as it's completely gone down without Johns behind the helm.  JLA needs to be given to Johns, or handed back to Morrison again.  I like the current Teen Titans team, but I just don't like the writing.  I like the idea of the generational teams though, like Teen Titans, JLA, and JSA.
Morrison's handling quite a few projects as it is, and so is Johns. JSA... they... as much as I LOVE the JSA, I think Flash, Wildcat and Green Lantern kinda need to go and retire for good, maybe a house in the countryside or some crap, and dying respectfully in bed with their families around them, like worthy men. I love them, I love them being awesome veterans and stuff, but I think that, immortality timeloop or not, they're way too old for this [parasitic bomb]. They've become kind of irrelevant, and I never want that for them.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on June 18, 2010, 10:50:16 PM
Honestly, I pretty much agree with you there, plus they already have worthy predecessors in Flash, Jade, and Wildcat.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 18, 2010, 11:05:38 PM
Honestly, I pretty much agree with you there, plus they already have worthy predecessors in Flash, Jade, and Wildcat.
I think everyone has worthy predecessors, in a way. They should move on once their time is up.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on June 18, 2010, 11:06:48 PM
But then you look at them bringing back Ollie, Hal, and Barry.  They had worthy predecessors, but here they are!  XD
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Post by: Pyro on June 19, 2010, 07:49:28 AM
Personally, at this point I wouldn't mind if they canceled Teen Titans, and restarted Young Justice. Didn't they do the reverse when the animated Teen Titans came along?

'Sides, Infinite Crisis really [tornado fang]'d up Teen Titans by taking Superboy and Kid Flash (my two favorite YJers/Titans) out of the equation. Granted the post-One Year Later Teen Titans was pretty damn good up till Titans East-- it really went downhill after that. I partially blame how (allegedly) editorially driven the title was, that and the Titans became the redshirts of the DCU. Not cool.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 19, 2010, 02:25:50 PM
But then you look at them bringing back Ollie, Hal, and Barry.  They had worthy predecessors, but here they are!  XD
I never followed Ollie much, but as for Hal and Barry, there are suitable explanations. For Hal, honestly, as much as Kyle has been a great character in titles such as Morrison's JLA and some of his own comic, nobody really knew what to do with him. And no Guardians, no Corps, the whole thing with one Green Lantern and alot of bullshit to the side had kinda gotten too damn stupid. Guy Gardner was 90's X-treme personified, John had gone through who knows what and been a Guardian himself... a REBOOT was necessary. And not just a reboot, but something that fixed one of the stupidest decisions ever made at DC. Turning Hal Jordan into an all-powerful time and reality-changing overlord. So they fixed it, and current GL is pretty damn good.
As for Barry? Stated quite a few times by Johns... Wally had grown up to a degree where he had no more space to grow up to. He was a family man, had saved the universe and time itself many times, had pretty much mastered all his speed powers of EVERYTHING... his personality was built, and he became a family man. You can't just go and constantly put his kids in danger now. So why not expand on Barry instead of bringing a new Flash?
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Post by: Pyro on June 19, 2010, 10:21:53 PM
Plus, with how many times "Saint" Barry Allen was mentioned throughout Wally's run-- I felt like DC cheated me out of something.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 19, 2010, 10:32:34 PM
Plus, with how many times "Saint" Barry Allen was mentioned throughout Wally's run-- I felt like DC cheated me out of something.
Barry Allen was cool, but he wasn't AWESOME. He was just the dude who made The Flash's current image and standard. But the guy who did all the crazy [parasitic bomb] like outrunning the universe, life itself, and him, was Wally. Heck, Wally's pretty much the one single hero I know who was TURNED KICKASS by the 90's. And trust me... the 90's were hell for comics. Not alot good came out of them.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on June 20, 2010, 01:22:47 AM
I never followed Ollie much, but as for Hal and Barry, there are suitable explanations.

LoL, you only have to give my favorite Grant Morrison response when it comes to bringing back characters.

"They're comic book character.  We can pretty much do whatever the hell we want with them!"

XD
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 20, 2010, 01:53:30 AM
LoL, you only have to give my favorite Grant Morrison response when it comes to bringing back characters.

"They're comic book character.  We can pretty much do whatever the hell we want with them!"

XD
Exactly. And when it comes to good writers, more often than not, bringing them back is a good thing. Silver Age characters being brought back gives a chance to expand upon their personalities and characterization, something they had very little of in the past.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on June 21, 2010, 09:57:58 PM
Absolute All-Star Superman comes out in October.

I own every issue of the comic, and I'm still buying this.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 21, 2010, 10:01:32 PM
Absolute All-Star Superman comes out in October.

I own every issue of the comic, and I'm still buying this.
Comic book gold. But I'll keep my issues plus softcovers. This is one of those comic books I'll look back to and smile at the original issues.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on June 21, 2010, 10:02:56 PM
Absolutes look so nice on my bookshelf though.   8D
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Post by: Rin on June 22, 2010, 04:09:24 PM
So, I found a Polish e-store, where there's shitload of Marvel TradePaperbacks.

There's like, Civil War TPs, Ultimates Vol. 1 & 2 TPs, X-men TPs, Deadpool TPs and many, many others.
So, I'm thinking... do you guys have any recommendations for me? You can tell me... and I'll check if it's there, to see what's the price.
Please, help a guy who can never decide on anything.
Also, I can only buy one right now.

Thanks.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on June 22, 2010, 04:19:14 PM
Ultimates Vol. 1 & 2 TPs

BUY THIS RIGHT NOW.  RIGHT [tornado fang]ing NOW!
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Post by: Rin on June 22, 2010, 04:22:30 PM
BUY THIS RIGHT NOW.  RIGHT [tornado fang]ing NOW!
I've been considering that too. Since you recommend this with such...umm enthusiasm... I guess I should.
Tough, I can only buy the first volume.
I'll get the second one next month.

I head a lot of good things about this comic. I even remember reading some of it once.

Thanks for advice, PB.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on June 22, 2010, 04:35:20 PM
Yeah, buy the first one, then when you can buy the second one.  They are among the best comics I've ever read.

However, under NO circumstances should you EVER, repeat EVER get Ultimates 3.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 22, 2010, 04:51:38 PM
Yeah, buy the first one, then when you can buy the second one.  They are among the best comics I've ever read.

However, under NO circumstances should you EVER, repeat EVER get Ultimates 3.
...or Ultimatum.

...especially Ultimatum.

Also, looks like Captain Boomerang can now make boomerangs out of nothing. He kept a black lantern power, it seems.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on June 22, 2010, 04:53:30 PM
Yes.  After Ultimates 1 & 2, you can pretty much stop there.

Also, looks like Captain Boomerang can now make boomerangs out of nothing. He kept a black lantern power, it seems.

Looks like they've all kept some of their Black Lantern-ness thus far.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 22, 2010, 04:58:50 PM
Yes.  After Ultimates 1 & 2, you can pretty much stop there.

Looks like they've all kept some of their Black Lantern-ness thus far.
We still haven't seen Professor Zoom's stuff or Max Lord's black lantern powers. I hope they don't feature alot. And I hope it ties into Max somehow going back to who he used to be. ;_;
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Post by: Protoman Blues on June 22, 2010, 04:59:42 PM
And I hope it ties into Max somehow going back to who he used to be. ;_;

I'm pretty sure that shipped has sailed!
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Post by: Rin on June 23, 2010, 12:16:31 AM
Guys, I know that I shouldn't buy Ultimates 3... since I've read that [parasitic bomb], and voiced my opinion on it.
Ehhh.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 23, 2010, 12:34:08 AM
I'm pretty sure that shipped has sailed!
You sure? Have you read the latest Booster Gold?
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Post by: Protoman Blues on June 23, 2010, 03:42:58 AM
Guys, I know that I shouldn't buy Ultimates 3... since I've read that [parasitic bomb], and voiced my opinion on it.
Ehhh.

Just making sure, buddy!  XD

You sure? Have you read the latest Booster Gold?

I have not.  Is there a chance?
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 23, 2010, 04:28:23 AM
Just making sure, buddy!  XD

I have not.  Is there a chance?
Booster goes to the past in order to get some evidence that Max exists. There, he meets the old, GOOD Max, and the classic JLI, with all the bells and whistles. And when he's there, he REASSURES himself: "This guy here is NOT the monster I've got back in my time. He just isn't. I'm sure now."
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Post by: Protoman Blues on June 23, 2010, 04:34:19 AM
Hmmmmmmmm, the plot thickens!  XD
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 23, 2010, 05:25:58 AM
Hmmmmmmmm, the plot thickens!  XD
...we shall see tomorrow, in Generation Lost.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on June 23, 2010, 05:27:48 AM
I'm looking forward to tomorrow then.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 23, 2010, 09:55:10 AM
I just want Ted back. ;_;
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Post by: Protoman Blues on June 30, 2010, 07:37:16 AM
(http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/06/newwwcostume.jpg)

So tomorrow (today being that it's after midnight), Wonder Woman gets a new costume, and a new JMS direction.  Honestly, I'm not a big fan of the new costume.  I mean, I don't mind the look of it per-se, but if they were going to change Diana's outfit, I'd have preferred something more Amazon-ish looking, with Armor.  Something that Hephaestus would make.
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Post by: Flame on June 30, 2010, 08:26:21 AM
I agree with PB. Its looks great, but... For WW, It just doesnt seem what one would expect...
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on June 30, 2010, 01:08:32 PM
(http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/06/newwwcostume.jpg)

So tomorrow (today being that it's after midnight), Wonder Woman gets a new costume, and a new JMS direction.  Honestly, I'm not a big fan of the new costume.  I mean, I don't mind the look of it per-se, but if they were going to change Diana's outfit, I'd have preferred something more Amazon-ish looking, with Armor.  Something that Hephaestus would make.
Well... I don't hate it. I've never been a big fan of Wonder Woman, so I never saw her costume as something amazingly iconic, unlike Superman's costume. They're probably gonna try to get rid of the supernatural origins and go with something more realistic. Not a big fan of JMS myself, so I can't say how well that'll work out. But honestly, the 2009 animated movie already had the best Wonder Woman origin I've seen. Why not use that? Why does DC have to constantly be changing character's origins? We didn't need Superman: Secret Origin. Birthright was already the best damn origin story we've had. And as much as GL: Secret Origin was good, we've had an origin story for him a few decades ago, which was also pretty good, at least the way I remember it. Well, the new costume isn't iconic, or superhero-like, but at least I have to give DC SOME props for something. They're finally covering up their women in some extent. I just wish they didn't cover up who's probably the one DC woman who needs it the least.
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Post by: Pyro on June 30, 2010, 06:26:44 PM
(http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/06/newwwcostume.jpg)

So tomorrow (today being that it's after midnight), Wonder Woman gets a new costume, and a new JMS direction.  Honestly, I'm not a big fan of the new costume.  I mean, I don't mind the look of it per-se, but if they were going to change Diana's outfit, I'd have preferred something more Amazon-ish looking, with Armor.  Something that Hephaestus would make.

Personally, I'm more entertained by how there's an army of fanboys flipping their [parasitic bomb] over the new costume and direction. Y'know, I wonder HOW many of them bought Wonder Woman when Gail Simone wrote it.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on June 30, 2010, 06:32:48 PM
Well... I don't hate it. I've never been a big fan of Wonder Woman, so I never saw her costume as something amazingly iconic, unlike Superman's costume. They're probably gonna try to get rid of the supernatural origins and go with something more realistic. Not a big fan of JMS myself, so I can't say how well that'll work out. But honestly, the 2009 animated movie already had the best Wonder Woman origin I've seen. Why not use that? Why does DC have to constantly be changing character's origins? We didn't need Superman: Secret Origin. Birthright was already the best damn origin story we've had. And as much as GL: Secret Origin was good, we've had an origin story for him a few decades ago, which was also pretty good, at least the way I remember it. Well, the new costume isn't iconic, or superhero-like, but at least I have to give DC SOME props for something. They're finally covering up their women in some extent. I just wish they didn't cover up who's probably the one DC woman who needs it the least.

See, that's just it. Like you, I'm not the hugest WW fan myself. Also, lf you go by...well sheer clothing logic, her outfit makes little sense, so I have no real qualms about them changing it.  It's just that I wish it was something more armor-ish, that's all.  Hell, make her new outfit in the Soul Calibur character creation if need be.

Also, DC keeps changing origins due to the retconing they love doing, so Supes & GL: Secret Origins was probably due to Infinite Crisis, or maybe just cause they felt like it.  I'm not complaining, cause I really love Supes: Secret Origin.

Personally, I'm more entertained by how there's an army of fanboys flipping their [parasitic bomb] over the new costume and direction. Y'know, I wonder HOW many of them bought Wonder Woman when Gail Simone wrote it.

Well this is why I don't go onto comic blogs and chat.  Comic fanboys are among the most unreasonable nerds in existence.  However, seeing what JMS did with Spidey.....I don't blame them entirely....
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Post by: Pyro on June 30, 2010, 06:44:44 PM
Well this is why I don't go onto comic blogs and chat.  Comic fanboys are among the most unreasonable nerds in existence.  However, seeing what JMS did with Spidey.....I don't blame them entirely....

I told some haters on ComicBloc, they need to just chill. They'll live longer that way. In all probability, DC will go back to the old status quo and treat JMS' Wonder Woman as an alternate timeline. Heck, some fans are theorizing that this will tie into "Flashpoint" in some small way.

As for JMS' run on Amazing Spider-Man, which storyline do you speak of? The Spider-Totem, Sins Past, One More Day, or all of the above? Joey Q is more responsible for the latter two if memory serves
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Post by: Protoman Blues on June 30, 2010, 06:56:29 PM
As for JMS' run on Amazing Spider-Man, which storyline do you speak of? The Spider-Totem, Sins Past, One More Day, or all of the above? Joey Q is more responsible for the latter two if memory serves

Well I blame Quesada more for Sins Past & One More Day, but the Spider-Totem thing was awful.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 01, 2010, 12:29:48 AM
Well I blame Quesada more for Sins Past & One More Day, but the Spider-Totem thing was awful.
You know... the other day, I went back and read some classic Spidey. And I realised... do they EVER let his character evolve? EVER?
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Post by: Protoman Blues on July 01, 2010, 02:53:07 AM
You know... the other day, I went back and read some classic Spidey. And I realised... do they EVER let his character evolve? EVER?

Well I thought they did with the fact that he was married to MJ.  To me, it was a nice tale of a nerd who always got picked on, but ultimately wound up with the hot chick wife.

Also, I read the #600 of Wonder Woman, and it wasn't all that bad.  I'm kinda curious about the change, as it looks like the Greek Gods are [tornado fang]ing with her life somewhat.  It's not going to make me start buying WW, but still, I'm curious.  What I did like was all the splash pages of WW art.  LoL, of course it only made me like her classic costume more.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 01, 2010, 03:40:08 AM
Well I thought they did with the fact that he was married to MJ.  To me, it was a nice tale of a nerd who always got picked on, but ultimately wound up with the hot chick wife.

Also, I read the #600 of Wonder Woman, and it wasn't all that bad.  I'm kinda curious about the change, as it looks like the Greek Gods are [tornado fang]ing with her life somewhat.  It's not going to make me start buying WW, but still, I'm curious.  What I did like was all the splash pages of WW art.  LoL, of course it only made me like her classic costume more.
I like the fact that they're evolving her at all. But if they're changing the costume, why glorify her old costume so much? It's kind of strange.

...all in all, Superman and Wonder Woman specials were kinda dull compared to the almighty awesomeness Batman #700 brought. =P

...I'm really looking forward to the Flash vs Captain Boomerang fight, though. Digger's return seems rad.

...and SURPRISE SURPRISE, Beechen's Batman Beyond doesn't suck! Yet at least. Although I think they could have picked a better villain to Beyondize. Seeing as Tommy Elliot's vendetta lies against Bruce and not Terry.

And GL was fun, but aside from Lobo funtimes, it didn't evolve at all. Why do I get the feeling that the GL book is the one who will tell the least amount of relevant facts in Brightest Day?
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Post by: Protoman Blues on July 01, 2010, 03:57:44 AM
I like the fact that they're evolving her at all. But if they're changing the costume, why glorify her old costume so much? It's kind of strange.

...all in all, Superman and Wonder Woman specials were kinda dull compared to the almighty awesomeness Batman #700 brought. =P

...I'm really looking forward to the Flash vs Captain Boomerang fight, though. Digger's return seems rad.

...and SURPRISE SURPRISE, Beechen's Batman Beyond doesn't suck! Yet at least. Although I think they could have picked a better villain to Beyondize. Seeing as Tommy Elliot's vendetta lies against Bruce and not Terry.

And GL was fun, but aside from Lobo funtimes, it didn't evolve at all. Why do I get the feeling that the GL book is the one who will tell the least amount of relevant facts in Brightest Day?

Yeah, I like Digger's return.

Batman Beyond was pretty good.  The banter between Bruce & Terry was still great.

GL was pretty awesome.  Gotta love Lobo, plus the origin of Dex!  XD
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Post by: Pyro on July 01, 2010, 06:19:27 AM
Also, I read the #600 of Wonder Woman, and it wasn't all that bad.  I'm kinda curious about the change, as it looks like the Greek Gods are [tornado fang]ing with her life somewhat.  It's not going to make me start buying WW, but still, I'm curious.  What I did like was all the splash pages of WW art.  LoL, of course it only made me like her classic costume more.

Don Kramer's art is B-E-A-utiful. It certainly has come a long way since his run on JSA.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 01, 2010, 11:41:37 AM
Yeah, I like Digger's return.

Batman Beyond was pretty good.  The banter between Bruce & Terry was still great.

GL was pretty awesome.  Gotta love Lobo, plus the origin of Dex!  XD
I love Lobo, but he's gone away as fast as he's come back. I'm not saying DC should milk their one funny canon character like Marvel does with Deadpool, but they could have kept him around in the plot, ala 52.

BTW, anyone read the Arkham Asylum: Madness hardcover by Sam Keith? It's out today. It's quite good.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on July 01, 2010, 07:14:56 PM
Well he might be back later.  You saw what he had at the end of the issue, which would be BAD-ASS if he used!   8D

Also, I did not.  Maybe next time I'm there I'll check it out.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 01, 2010, 08:56:13 PM
Well he might be back later.  You saw what he had at the end of the issue, which would be BAD-ASS if he used!   8D

Also, I did not.  Maybe next time I'm there I'll check it out.
Lobo's awesome. But his underuse is exactly what makes him awesome. =P And Red Lantern Lobo would be quite something.

I'm re-reading my Seaguy issues while waiting for next week's comics. Maaaan, I forgot how badass the last issue was. ;_;
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on July 01, 2010, 09:11:49 PM
Lobo's awesome. But his underuse is exactly what makes him awesome. =P And Red Lantern Lobo would be quite something.

Also, I love how Lex is now obsessed with the Lantern Rings.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 01, 2010, 09:28:20 PM
Also, I love how Lex is now obsessed with the Lantern Rings.
I loved Action Comics this week. I don't usually buy it, but I had to get this Lex arc. I did lose the bet with my friend, though. I bet clone. He bet robot. I never thought Lex would be tacky enough to make robot instead of clone. But it was an awesome reason to get all machinegunny, so I loved it. =P
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on July 01, 2010, 09:35:07 PM
I loved Action Comics this week. I don't usually buy it, but I had to get this Lex arc. I did lose the bet with my friend, though. I bet clone. He bet robot. I never thought Lex would be tacky enough to make robot instead of clone. But it was an awesome reason to get all machinegunny, so I loved it. =P

I agree.  It was pretty awesome!
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 01, 2010, 10:49:21 PM
I agree.  It was pretty awesome!
I dunno why, but I'd love a Lex Luthor/Max Lord teamup. It would be so awesome to see.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on July 12, 2010, 01:40:29 AM
I dunno why, but I'd love a Lex Luthor/Max Lord teamup. It would be so awesome to see.

Well he's about to team up with........Death!   8D

Anyway, more importantly.....

(http://cache-03.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2010/07/picture_171.png)

I WILL [tornado fang]ing SELL MY SOUL FOR THIS COVER!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Mirby on July 12, 2010, 01:48:57 AM
*nerdgasm and eyetwitch*

That better be a full friggin' comic!
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 12, 2010, 01:58:13 AM
It is. Darkwing Duck is back, this time in a new comic. The first issue's really good.
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Post by: Gaia on July 12, 2010, 01:58:24 AM
Would've been funnier if his tail was lit on fire.. But yeah, I'd like to see a comic-book revival of the series.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Acid on July 12, 2010, 02:05:08 AM
DD revival is related to Capcom's new game.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Mirby on July 12, 2010, 02:16:50 AM
That... that would be awesome. I would totally accept that.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on July 12, 2010, 02:40:24 AM
DD revival is related to Capcom's new game.

100% Agreed!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on July 12, 2010, 06:09:19 AM
Holy fff-
The New Darkwing Duck comic is out already?!
OHOHOHOOHOOHOOO!
Time to see what it's like.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Mirby on July 12, 2010, 06:34:17 AM
I looked for it... and failed...

I even tried /rs/...
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 12, 2010, 07:20:46 AM
I looked for it... and failed...

I even tried /rs/...
Just PMed you a link. Anyone who might want it, just ask.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Mirby on July 12, 2010, 07:25:57 AM
Thanks! it's at 40% right now.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 12, 2010, 02:13:43 PM
(http://i29.tinypic.com/2mewkeo.jpg)

In other news, this arc's been having the most awesome plot ever. It's AMAZING to be following it since the beginning, and there's so much awesome foreshadowing, you can figure out the whole story and get thousands of conspiracy theories for it.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on July 12, 2010, 03:32:55 PM
Just PMed you a link. Anyone who might want it, just ask.
GIMME PLZ.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Blackhook on July 12, 2010, 04:11:25 PM
DD revival is related to Capcom's new game.
That would mean that I was right..I am never right :P

Just PMed you a link. Anyone who might want it, just ask.
Yes please *o*
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Mirby on July 12, 2010, 08:15:59 PM
That... was.... AWESOME!!! Thanks again Flash.

The best part is that, as the last normal page says, even though it was planned to be a 4-issue miniseries, they're making it a full-fledged one! :D
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 12, 2010, 10:10:17 PM
GIMME PLZ.

Yes please *o*

Done and done. Just sign in blood on the dotted line.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on July 12, 2010, 10:33:36 PM
Thanks Flash.
Gonna read it in a moment. : >
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Blackhook on July 12, 2010, 10:37:08 PM
Thanks...though I can´t read it...
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 12, 2010, 10:43:03 PM
Thanks...though I can´t read it...
Never used a cbr/cbz file before? Get CDisplay. Free program which lets you read comics easily. Either that or unzip/unrar the file, it's a normal compressed file.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Blackhook on July 12, 2010, 10:45:45 PM
..I can´t download things using rapidshare
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 12, 2010, 10:48:07 PM
Sent you another link. Now you owe me your soul, your first born, and a goat.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Blackhook on July 12, 2010, 11:02:16 PM
Yes, I owe you much, thanks.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 13, 2010, 01:38:26 PM
Anyone around here reading Batman and Robin?  I got so many conspiracy theories about the latest comic...
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on July 13, 2010, 01:46:31 PM
Anyone around here reading Batman and Robin?  I got so many conspiracy theories about the latest comic...
Wait a little longer.
I'm planning to read the whole run (up until now) soon.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 13, 2010, 01:58:23 PM
Wait a little longer.
I'm planning to read the whole run (up until now) soon.
Do this:

- Watch Red Hood movie
- Read Batman & Son
- Read Batman: The Black Glove
- Read Batman: RIP
- Read Final Crisis
- Read Batman & Robin/Batman: Return of Bruce Wayne

And take notes. I recently read the whole thing all over again and there's SO MUCH foreshadowing.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on July 13, 2010, 02:55:14 PM
Kay. I shall take note of this. Thanks. : >
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on July 13, 2010, 08:34:26 PM
Anyone around here reading Batman and Robin?  I got so many conspiracy theories about the latest comic...

Yeah, I read it.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 14, 2010, 05:06:08 PM
Yeah, I read it.
Re-read the last issue. Check out what Joker says. The way he says he became this way (Yes, I know the multiple choice past, but bear with me), the way he speaks, and how he acts. And "I used to be a boy wonder too..."


...and the CROWBAR.

Could that be Jason Todd? I've got alot of theories according to the timeline.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on July 14, 2010, 07:16:23 PM
I thought as much without re-reading it, but I'm still un-sure.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 17, 2010, 08:48:41 PM
Anyone here following the JLI revival? The new issue's pretty damn good. And Max, although a magnificent bastard, doesn't seem to be EVIL at the moment, just back to his old self. I kinda wish Ted would show up. ;_;
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Post by: Protoman Blues on July 17, 2010, 08:53:28 PM
I didn't get a chance to get to the comic book store this week, so I'll have to read it next week.

I'm still waiting on my Light Up Power Rings to get there as well. Damn delays.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Waifu on July 17, 2010, 09:25:58 PM
@thread, how many Batmans, Robins and other heroes who share the name of the current ones are there?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 17, 2010, 09:49:30 PM
@thread, how many Batmans, Robins and other heroes who share the name of the current ones are there?
Ooooh, that's a good question. Lemme get this one, guys. Typing as of now.


Batmans:

- Bruce Wayne, main batman
- Batman Jones (DON'T ASK. JUST DON'T)
- Jean-Paul Valley for awhile in the 90's, while Bruce was in a wheelchair and away (after Bane broke his back)
- A few fake Batmen in the current Morrison run, which were either crazed people or Jason Todd in the Cowl War
- Dick Grayson as the current Batman

(there are also TONS upon TONS of other Batmen, as well as other heroes' versions in Elseworlds and that kind of stuff. I won't mention those)

Robins:

- Dick Grayson, original Robin, then Nightwing, now current Batman
- Jason Todd as second Robin, now current Red Hood
- Tim Drake, the Robin most people know, currently Red Robin
- Stephanie Brown, short-timed Robin and known as the girl who was killed by a villain with a power drill, used as the object of disgust of women comic lovers everywhere towards DC, as they didn't even grace her with a costume case like they had with Jason Todd (www.girl-wonder-org for more info), came back and replaced the loveable Cassandra Cain, best Batgirl ever, with a dumb blonde who suddenly has her own ongoing series...
- Damian Wayne, son of Bruce Wayne and current Robin.

As for the other heroes, well...

Green Lantern: Alan Scott, Hal Jordan, Guy Gardner, John Stewart, Kyle Rayner, Jade and a thousand other alien dudes
Flash: Jay Garrick, Barry Allen, Wally West, Bart Allen (last two were Kid Flashes as well)
Atom: Al Pratt, Ray Palmer, Adam Cray, Ryan Choi
Superman: Just four fake dudes in the Reign of the Supermen event, after he died
Green Arrow: Ollie and Conner, few people care =P
Blue Beetle: Dan Garret, Ted Kord, Jaime Reyes

And there's TONS more. From Marvel, too. But these are pretty much the most important. Oh, and pretty much all of them, no matter how they died, they come back sooner or later.
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Post by: Pyro on July 20, 2010, 06:05:22 AM
As for the other heroes, well...

Green Lantern: Alan Scott, Hal Jordan, Guy Gardner, John Stewart, Kyle Rayner, Jade and a thousand other alien dudes
Flash: Jay Garrick, Barry Allen, Wally West, Bart Allen (last two were Kid Flashes as well)
Atom: Al Pratt, Ray Palmer, Adam Cray, Ryan Choi
Superman: Just four fake dudes in the Reign of the Supermen event, after he died
Green Arrow: Ollie and Conner, few people care =P
Blue Beetle: Dan Garret, Ted Kord, Jaime Reyes

And there's TONS more. From Marvel, too. But these are pretty much the most important. Oh, and pretty much all of them, no matter how they died, they come back sooner or later.

Firestorm is a bit trickier as it was a composite identity. First it was Ronnie Raymodn and Martin Stein. Then Ronnie and a Russian named Mikhail Arkadin with an amnesiac Stein in the driver's seat. Then Ronnie and Mikhail as the Elemental Firestorm. Stein alone as the Elemental Firestorm. Then Ronnie alone for while. Then Jason Rusch and anyone who was conveniently in the vicinity (including his friend Mick Wong through Infinite Crisis. Then Jason and Stein (with Jason and Lorraine Reilly AKA Firehawk for a bit) followed by Jason and his Girlfriend, Ghenna. Now it's Ronnie and Jason the latest Firestorm.

Whew, isn't that convluted?
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Post by: Protoman Blues on July 20, 2010, 06:08:09 AM
I loved when Conner defeated the Key with the Boxing Glove arrow!   8)
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Post by: Pyro on July 20, 2010, 06:11:34 AM
I loved when Conner defeated the Key with the Boxing Glove arrow!   8)

That was so poetic in some way, and a nice shout out to the Silver Age goofiness.

Ah, I remember how my mom's old Silver Age comics sparked my addiction and my love for the Legion of Super-Heroes.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on July 20, 2010, 06:19:59 AM
I really love Waid's run on the Legion of Super Heroes.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on July 20, 2010, 06:27:37 AM
I really love Waid's run on the Legion of Super Heroes.

I'd also recommend Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning's run that preceded his but the trouble is that only "Foundations" was put into Trade so you have to hunt the individual issues down. I have a near complete set myself, but if you have to get any issue I would advise "The Legion" #12 where they face off with the JLA. I won't spoil it but it was a fun read.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on July 20, 2010, 06:32:04 AM
Well I've never been the hugest Legion fan, in all honesty.  But Waid's run was fantastic, I thought.
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Post by: Pyro on July 20, 2010, 06:37:15 AM
I liked his take on it, and he seemed pleased when I told him that at a convention a couple years back. Jim Shooter's run was pretty good as well until editorial screwed it up. Thank heaven DC's keeping that Legion even if it's the Legion of Earth-Prime.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on July 20, 2010, 06:53:08 AM
Yeah, he liked it when I told him that as well.  Mark Waid's an alright guy!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 20, 2010, 04:17:35 PM
Speaking of Mark Waid...

http://twitter.com/MarkWaid/status/18088713004

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MarkWaid via Twitter: Annnnd today was the day I stopped reading super-hero comics. One that I won't name finally broke me. Collection stops as of now. No joke.

I wonder which one it was...

And there's also this:

(http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/07/bd_poster.jpg)
http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/07/bd_poster.jpg Just go on the link, gets too small in this page.

A bit confusing. BLACK MANTA WATCHES YOU [speed burner]ing.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on July 20, 2010, 08:41:25 PM
Damn.  I'm curious which comic broke him as well.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 20, 2010, 09:16:04 PM
Damn.  I'm curious which comic broke him as well.
People think it's something published last week.

Haters are saying Superman, due to "oh, he's pushing politics down our throat", forgetting that even Supes deserves to act a bit humanly and selfishly sometimes, and not just some emotionless guy who smiles and saves people.

Others are saying Shadowland, due to "heroes going bad", but as it's a mental control thing and that's fairly standard, I think not.

...so, I really don't have a clue.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on July 20, 2010, 09:22:06 PM
You know what? I'm just gonna blame Marvel!  XD
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 20, 2010, 10:59:37 PM
Works for me! 8D

Seriously, everytime I read Marvel Cosmic (which actually gets SUPERIOR to DC stuff many times) I can't believe the rest of the Marvel books are where they are. I mean, they could have awesome potencial, but they've been very meh.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on July 21, 2010, 01:45:08 AM
In regards to Mark Waid quitting superhero comics, part of me thinks it has to more with the endless slaughterhouse the genre became since "Identity Crisis". Can't say I blame him if that's the case. But you know I do when I don't like what's happening in the comics I read?

...I write my own stories.  8D That's how I actually made my own superhero universe; though truth be told it started with a bloodbath in Part One that ended in redemption. Then it becomes fun, fun, fun and lighthearted.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rodrigo Shin on July 21, 2010, 02:00:16 AM
Quote
Negative thing about Marvel
[spoiler](http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/8553/1279493701485.jpg)
Needs no subtitle. You all know what it means.[/spoiler]

In regards to Mark Waid quitting superhero comics, part of me thinks it has to more with the endless slaughterhouse the genre became since "Identity Crisis". Can't say I blame him if that's the case.
If by "slaughterhouse" you mean a whole lot of killing, Waid's own arc on Amazing Spider-Man featuring the All-New, All-Different, All-Unlikely to Stick Around Vulture had someone being gutted in a reasonably graphic scene in something that was being pushed as "all ages" ever since Spidey's BND stunt.

Also for what I understand Waid's own creator owned stuff (Irredemable and Incorruptible) have a fair share of it, too. He of course never addressed what "made him stop collecting super hero comics" though he has said he will continue to write them, but then again most people say he just loves to start stuff.

...that Twitter stuff is also old news. Ah well. Anyway, a lot of people have some theories on the whole "can't have super heroes without GRIMDARK GOAR" or whatever filed under 'super hero decadence' which I find a bit interesting for those seeking for some food for thought.

Aside from Marvel Cosmic, and some other run-of-the-mill spandex in the same Universe, The Unwritten and The Walking Dead make me a happy camper. And that's it for comics I guess.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 21, 2010, 03:09:25 AM
[spoiler](http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/8553/1279493701485.jpg)
Needs no subtitle. You all know what it means.[/spoiler]
If by "slaughterhouse" you mean a whole lot of killing, Waid's own arc on Amazing Spider-Man featuring the All-New, All-Different, All-Unlikely to Stick Around Vulture had someone being gutted in a reasonably graphic scene in something that was being pushed as "all ages" ever since Spidey's BND stunt.

Also for what I understand Waid's own creator owned stuff (Irredemable and Incorruptible) have a fair share of it, too. He of course never addressed what "made him stop collecting super hero comics" though he has said he will continue to write them, but then again most people say he just loves to start stuff.

...that Twitter stuff is also old news. Ah well. Anyway, a lot of people have some theories on the whole "can't have super heroes without GRIMDARK GOAR" or whatever filed under 'super hero decadence' which I find a bit interesting for those seeking for some food for thought.

Aside from Marvel Cosmic, and some other run-of-the-mill spandex in the same Universe, The Unwritten and The Walking Dead make me a happy camper. And that's it for comics I guess.
Yeah, too bad that, while Marvel's cosmic stuff is ALWAYS great, their Earth-centered crap is given WAY more attention, and hasn't had the quality of its cosmic counterpart for... I dunno how long.

Funnily enough, Waid says that he still enjoys a few superhero stories, but can't take the crap of most comics, so he just quits. I say... isn't that the case with MOST comics nowadays? I mean, I'm hard-pressed to find anything I truly like in comics nowadays, and both Marvel and DC have put us through some amazing shitfests along the years. But when we got stuff like Morrison's Batman, Johns' GL/Flash, Giffen's Cosmic... why should we stop reading what WE LIKE? This is like quitting Lost because of Ugly Betty. Just because most stuff is bad, it doesn't mean we should stay away from the stuff that IS GOOD. Or else, the industry itself won't really feel any incentive to give us good stuff in the first place!

As to what drove him off, I'm hard pressed to find any kind of "slautherhouse mentality" nowadays. Sure, heroes die and come back at the drop of a hat, but honestly, the only one who died last week was Bullseye. And the guy was asking for it all this time, come ooooon.

(Engraçado, primeira vez que vejo um gajo online com o mesmo nome que eu. XD)
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Post by: Rodrigo Shin on July 21, 2010, 04:03:16 AM
Yeah, too bad that, while Marvel's cosmic stuff is ALWAYS great, their Earth-centered crap is given WAY more attention, and hasn't had the quality of its cosmic counterpart for... I dunno how long.
I'm not sure if Marvel Cosmic was ALWAYS this great, but I'll be damned if Annihilation up to Thanos Initiative didn't kick all sorts of ass. They did a number on many characters brushed aside as some sort of jokes like Super Skrull, and brought back in fullswing characters that had enjoyed more time in the limelight like Nova in the past.

I honestly prefer Abnett and Lanning to Giffen thus far, but it's been one hell of a ride. I'm really hoping that Thanos Initiative sells enough to avoid the whole "hiatus" bullcrap.

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Funnily enough, Waid says that he still enjoys a few superhero stories, but can't take the crap of most comics, so he just quits. I say... isn't that the case with MOST comics nowadays? I mean, I'm hard-pressed to find anything I truly like in comics nowadays, and both Marvel and DC have put us through some amazing shitfests along the years. But when we got stuff like Morrison's Batman, Johns' GL/Flash, Giffen's Cosmic... why should we stop reading what WE LIKE? This is like quitting Lost because of Ugly Betty. Just because most stuff is bad, it doesn't mean we should stay away from the stuff that IS GOOD. Or else, the industry itself won't really feel any incentive to give us good stuff in the first place!
When Waid made this statement, the things most hot off the press were Straczynski's announcement of his Superman stuff but what was REALLY 'hot' was Wonder Woman's "reboot" / new suit. JMS' one staple is messing with a character's origin after all.

Many people brought it to Waid asking if it was JMS or whatever but he just changed subject. Honestly to me that's just trying to hog attention, no matter how talented the man may be.

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As to what drove him off, I'm hard pressed to find any kind of "slautherhouse mentality" nowadays. Sure, heroes die and come back at the drop of a hat, but honestly, the only one who died last week was Bullseye. And the guy was asking for it all this time, come ooooon.
Things were a little darker on Spider-Man's side on the "Grim Hunt" storyline (where Waid is one of the collective writers), what with Mattie Franklin (Byrne's Spider-Woman) being sacrificed and then fed to a werelion just to stay on the surface (the body count overall comprised 4 characters).

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(Engraçado, primeira vez que vejo um gajo online com o mesmo nome que eu. XD)
(É normal considerar isso engraçado; é a resposta natural para um nome tão atraente. 8B Mas creio eu que não sou da mesma nacionalidade: aqui temos dublagens, e não dobragens.  8D)
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 21, 2010, 05:17:42 AM
I'm not sure if Marvel Cosmic was ALWAYS this great, but I'll be damned if Annihilation up to Thanos Initiative didn't kick all sorts of ass. They did a number on many characters brushed aside as some sort of jokes like Super Skrull, and brought back in fullswing characters that had enjoyed more time in the limelight like Nova in the past.

I honestly prefer Abnett and Lanning to Giffen thus far, but it's been one hell of a ride. I'm really hoping that Thanos Initiative sells enough to avoid the whole "hiatus" bullcrap.
When Waid made this statement, the things most hot off the press were Straczynski's announcement of his Superman stuff but what was REALLY 'hot' was Wonder Woman's "reboot" / new suit. JMS' one staple is messing with a character's origin after all.

Many people brought it to Waid asking if it was JMS or whatever but he just changed subject. Honestly to me that's just trying to hog attention, no matter how talented the man may be.
Things were a little darker on Spider-Man's side on the "Grim Hunt" storyline (where Waid is one of the collective writers), what with Mattie Franklin (Byrne's Spider-Woman) being sacrificed and then fed to a werelion just to stay on the surface (the body count overall comprised 4 characters).
(É normal considerar isso engraçado; é a resposta natural para um nome tão atraente. 8B Mas creio eu que não sou da mesma nacionalidade: aqui temos dublagens, e não dobragens.  8D)
If everything goes as it should, Marvel Cosmic should proceed as normal. Thinking about it, I really DO hope they never really make any big crossovers with earth happenings. Because to be honest, I kinda think everyone who goes into space in Marvel somehow has AWESOME stories, only to come back to Earth and get shat on. Look at what happened to Hulk. Being shot into space was the best thing that could have happened to him. Heck, Tony Stark should have thrown EVERYONE into space. Then they'd all have awesome cosmic adventures, and people on Earth could live their lives as they wanted. I bet New York would lose most of its population, though. =P

I really don't get the need for so many reboots. I mean, I liked Geoff Johns' recent Secret Origins books for Green Lantern and Superman, but honestly? Superman already had a MUCH, MUUUUCH better canon origin placed with Birthright, which is probably the best Supes canon story ever written (although the one from the animated series was also very good). And did Hal Jordan's origins HONESTLY have to be tied so closely with Blackest Night? Feels like the character was born for that, and Emerald Dawn was such a terrific story back when it was written, that I don't get the need for the new origins. Are they going to cancel Year One's canon value soon, too?

MATTIE was killed? I haven't been paying alot of attention to Spider-Man for obvious reasons, but jeez, Mattie Franklin? The Saga of the Five was one of my favorite Spidey tales when I was a kid, and Mattie was pretty much the first Marvel character I remember well from Marvel canon, mostly because she seemed more carefree and happy amongst all of the dark and sad stuff that constantly happened to Peter. Why did they have to kill her? I swear, between this kind of stuff and Quesada's plans to rub OMD in our faces continuously with rebooted marriages and whatnot, makes me want to read Spidey less and less.

(É verdade. Já agora, por curiosidade, comics demoram tanto tempo a chegar aí como cá? Eu sei que a vossa editora distribui algumas da Marvel para cá (embora ainda estejamos no secret invasion), mas eu costumo comprar numa loja de importação que tem as versões americanas, excepto que estas demoram de uma semana a um mês a sair lá. Também é assim convosco?)
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Post by: Pyro on July 21, 2010, 05:26:45 AM
MATTIE was killed? I haven't been paying alot of attention to Spider-Man for obvious reasons, but jeez, Mattie Franklin? The Saga of the Five was one of my favorite Spidey tales when I was a kid, and Mattie was pretty much the first Marvel character I remember well from Marvel canon, mostly because she seemed more carefree and happy amongst all of the dark and sad stuff that constantly happened to Peter. Why did they have to kill her? I swear, between this kind of stuff and Quesada's plans to rub OMD in our faces continuously with rebooted marriages and whatnot, makes me want to read Spidey less and less.

I didn't really read Spider-Man before OMD, and BND never really piqued my interest aside from "American Son" which was more "Dark Reign" anyway. All Quesada ever succeeded was further fracturing the fanbase.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 21, 2010, 06:28:44 AM
I didn't really read Spider-Man before OMD, and BND never really piqued my interest aside from "American Son" which was more "Dark Reign" anyway. All Quesada ever succeeded was further fracturing the fanbase.

American Son was the ONLY good story to come out after OMD. Because it followed the classic Good Spidey Story Formula. At one point, he can't take it anymore, he flips out, gets serious, and [parasitic bomb] gets real. It's how Spidey atories get good. When Peter actually mans up and does WHAT HE HAS TO. He hasn't had any of those moments recently, which makes me sad.
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Post by: Rodrigo Shin on July 21, 2010, 06:57:58 AM
American Son was the ONLY good story to come out after OMD. Because it followed the classic Good Spidey Story Formula. At one point, he can't take it anymore, he flips out, gets serious, and [parasitic bomb] gets real. It's how Spidey atories get good. When Peter actually mans up and does WHAT HE HAS TO. He hasn't had any of those moments recently, which makes me sad.
I liked American Son myself for all these reasons (when Pete flips out and does his own take on the Mark of Kaine? That was pure badassery), but I think that BND had some very nice stories. Mainly because when they decided to go this new direction, they got writers who were interested in telling stories about Spider-Man, not redefining him or turning his world upside down every three months (SINS PAST! TOTEMIC POWERS! EATING MORLUN'S HEAD!).

Now OMD is just an unforgivable pile of stupidity, but what came after it is not necessarily bad - it becomes a bit of a "shoot the messenger" thing, but I can see why with the glorious failure that OMD was, though I don't support it. As far as Spidey's attitude, even prior to BND Peter was already a bit regressed to a manchild more than the character I grew up reading. But, honestly, I'll take the BND stories any day of the week over JMS's stuff. Simply not to my tastes, if anything. Nothing worthwhile told in BND needed a single Peter Parker either, but that only goes to show how off the rails Quesada was/is with ego.

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MATTIE was killed? I haven't been paying alot of attention to Spider-Man for obvious reasons, but jeez, Mattie Franklin? The Saga of the Five was one of my favorite Spidey tales when I was a kid, and Mattie was pretty much the first Marvel character I remember well from Marvel canon, mostly because she seemed more carefree and happy amongst all of the dark and sad stuff that constantly happened to Peter. Why did they have to kill her? I swear, between this kind of stuff and Quesada's plans to rub OMD in our faces continuously with rebooted marriages and whatnot, makes me want to read Spidey less and less.
I don't know why they decided to off speciffically her (though others also died;
[spoiler]Madame Web died and pretty much 'tucked her essence' or something in Julia Carpenter, the 2nd Spider-Woman, who was known as Arachne, who's now the blind fortune cookie teller of the Arachniverse; Vladimir (the Grim Hunter, killed by Kaine in the clone saga) was brought back by Mattie's death and was also killed back; Kraven's wife Sasha who had recently debuted and Kaine. But Kaine came back at the very last page of the issue.)[/spoiler], though it looks as if it's to give Anya Corazon ("Araña") some uniqueness (she's set to adopt the name of Spider-Girl in a few months).

Now if they had dragged in Jessica as well that'd be wholly understadable, but she's an object of Bendiswank. So... off-limits.

As far as super-hero origins being retconned/revamped/refit or whatever, that's inevitable. Especially on Marvel's case where they have to keep their characters' age within a certain range - that's why what war Punisher fought in or Iron Man was wounded in constantly shifts. Steve overrules it; Super Soldier serum is h4x.

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(É verdade. Já agora, por curiosidade, comics demoram tanto tempo a chegar aí como cá? Eu sei que a vossa editora distribui algumas da Marvel para cá (embora ainda estejamos no secret invasion), mas eu costumo comprar numa loja de importação que tem as versões americanas, excepto que estas demoram de uma semana a um mês a sair lá. Também é assim convosco?)
Aqui as revistas estão atrasadas mais ou menos um ano. Dark Reign começou, mais ou menos, há uns 5 meses. Inclusive "American Son" tá sendo publicada na revista do Aranha no momento com o estúpido nome "Filho da Pátria" - e veja que sigla interessante ela forma. :P
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Post by: Protoman Blues on July 21, 2010, 07:19:39 AM
See that's the real problem with OMD. Anything coming after it couldn't possibly be worse than the 5-6 year [parasitic bomb] treatment that Spidey got, of which OMD was the ultimate cap on. Spidey fans dealt with watching their web slinger get [parasitic bomb] on, and finally they top it all off with Spidey showing that with Great Power comes ZERO Responsibility. 
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Post by: Flame on July 21, 2010, 08:34:04 AM
http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/movie-talk-captain-america-comic-con-poster.html

discuss?
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 21, 2010, 01:11:25 PM
Urgh. Hate the fact that Peter has to ALWAYS be a teenager in the eyes of Marvel. Why? I mean, hasn't he done ALOT of growing up? Spider-Man used to be about teenage angst, while having a character that stood through all of the crap. Now? It's about Peter Pan's emo life. Peter never ages, even though he has to. He has more than enough qualifications to get a lifetime job at one of Reed Richards' labs, yet he doesn't just go and ask, he CONSTANTLY has to have bad things happening to him, all the time, every single time, so the sad outweighs the happy so damn much, and everyone always gets hurt anyway. The only noteable thing he's done recently was join the Avengers. And I don't imagine they're paying him much, with all the trouble that goes through his life daily. The one moment where I actually saw SOME growth, which was in Rhino's recent redemption tale, they went the sad route and [tornado fang]'d up his life once more. Nobody can ever escape. Funny how a villain like Rhino was able to show alot of evolution, while Peter Parker, the damn main character, hasn't left the same spot since he was created. He's still being supported by his aunt and making his way through life irresponsably. And being married? Eventually having kids? NO. He'd be HAPPY. Quesada can't let that happen, no sir! So, enjoy a comic about Lizard eating his own son. Heroic Age indeed.

Kinda why I usually read just DC and Cosmic. DC had a SPACE ZOMBIE WAR called Blackest Night, which I thought was gonna be a very depressingf event, and it ended up being a totally rad space lightshow. Marvel Cosmic is pretty much everything the Earth heroes aren't. Earth heroes have REEEAL issues and REEEEAL problems and have to deal with regular bullshit everyday. Cosmic characters suck it the hell up and go save the Universe from Galaxy-wide/Universal epic events. If they whine, it's due to story placing a hard moment on them, not due to making the characters angst for five issues to make them more approcheable.
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Post by: Pyro on July 21, 2010, 04:14:31 PM
I'm of the opinion that it's probably best to do a little editorial shake-up at Marvel (aside from their cosmic titles) and that includes removing Joe Quesada as Editor-in-Chief, partially because this guy has held the job for ten years and he's as bad a micromanager as Jim Shooter was. From what I heard he ordered the deaths of Jean Grey and Janet Van Dyne because their spouses, Cyclops and Hank Pym, would allegedly be "more interesting" with dead wives and imposed a smoking ban on all characters, including Wolverine because his father died of cancer. Oi.

If I had creative control over Marvel, I'd be inclined to order a complete "Crisis"-style reboot but this time every title would start from scratch (unlike DC, where the post-CoIE universe was MORE confusing than the pre-CoIE multiverse because of the rampant retconning). But I'd be fairly hands off with the cosmic line.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 21, 2010, 04:35:42 PM
I'm of the opinion that it's probably best to do a little editorial shake-up at Marvel (aside from their cosmic titles) and that includes removing Joe Quesada as Editor-in-Chief, partially because this guy has held the job for ten years and he's as bad a micromanager as Jim Shooter was. From what I heard he ordered the deaths of Jean Grey and Janet Van Dyne because their spouses, Cyclops and Hank Pym, would allegedly be "more interesting" with dead wives and imposed a smoking ban on all characters, including Wolverine because his father died of cancer. Oi.

If I had creative control over Marvel, I'd be inclined to order a complete "Crisis"-style reboot but this time every title would start from scratch (unlike DC, where the post-CoIE universe was MORE confusing than the pre-CoIE multiverse because of the rampant retconning). But I'd be fairly hands off with the cosmic line.
Honestly, there wouldn't be a need for much of a retcon in the current environment. With the Heroic Age reboot, and after Marvel's been through constant events for years and years, they're being very wise to keep their butts out of events and go more traditional heroics recently. But after reading the current titles, I think everything's just more boring. The Avengers continue to be a group of self-righteous assholes who can't keep Earth in check all the time, Reed Richards is still the most unlikeable [Bumpity-Boom!] in history and the X-Men still haven't changed one bit after all these years. Here's what they'd need to do:

1- Spidey arc where Mephisto comes back, senses some kinda glitch in the whole OMD retcon process, Peter's aunt dies (AND KILL THAT [sonic slicer] DEAD), and as a result, Peter kicks Mephisto's ass with one of his ballsy moments, his marriage is remade, he moves to a family house in the suburbs, gets a big-pay scientist job and his daughter May is born.
2- The Avengers make worldwide coalitions, so they can weed out problems before they can occur, and become a fully sponsored UN group to protect the whole world instead of just the US. Other Avengers branches are created all over the world (there's certainly enough superheroes to go around, root them out of New York).
3- Reed Richards stops being an self-important egotistical narcisistic [dark hold], shares his knowledge with the world, kills a bunch of deseases, and the F4 title focuses on amazing time/dimensional/cosmic/space adventures in a sci-fi style.
4- Deadpool gets ONE TITLE. ONE. TITLE.
5- Wolverine gets to be one ONE TEAM. ONE. TEAM. (for that matter, Origins ends and he gets his regular title back)
6- The X-Men start again being about a school for gifted children, and a mutant team of heroes. And as the mutant team members get older, they retire, get out of the group and give way for a new team member from the school.
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Post by: Pyro on July 21, 2010, 06:02:34 PM
Y'know what? I take back all this "Crisis" nonsense and say they should make YOU EiC and [parasitic bomb]-can Quesada. Your ideas are better than anything he can come up with.
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Post by: Flame on July 21, 2010, 06:09:38 PM
much agreed.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on July 21, 2010, 07:44:38 PM
1- Spidey arc where Mephisto comes back, senses some kinda glitch in the whole OMD retcon process, Peter's aunt dies (AND KILL THAT [sonic slicer] DEAD), and as a result, Peter kicks Mephisto's ass with one of his ballsy moments, his marriage is remade, he moves to a family house in the suburbs, gets a big-pay scientist job and his daughter May is born.
2- The Avengers make worldwide coalitions, so they can weed out problems before they can occur, and become a fully sponsored UN group to protect the whole world instead of just the US. Other Avengers branches are created all over the world (there's certainly enough superheroes to go around, root them out of New York).
3- Reed Richards stops being an self-important egotistical narcisistic [dark hold], shares his knowledge with the world, kills a bunch of deseases, and the F4 title focuses on amazing time/dimensional/cosmic/space adventures in a sci-fi style.
4- Deadpool gets ONE TITLE. ONE. TITLE.
5- Wolverine gets to be one ONE TEAM. ONE. TEAM. (for that matter, Origins ends and he gets his regular title back)
6- The X-Men start again being about a school for gifted children, and a mutant team of heroes. And as the mutant team members get older, they retire, get out of the group and give way for a new team member from the school.

1. Wouldn't it be better for our Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man to have a 2 bedroom somewhere in Manhattan?  There's really no place to web sling from the suburbs.  Believe me, I know.  I've looked!  Otherwise, can't disagree with anything here.
2. The UN thing could be interesting.  However, wouldn't that kinda make everyone an Avenger, kinda like the JLU in the DCAU?  Not that I'm saying that would be bad, mind you.
3. No argument here.  FF was always at its best when focusing on what you said.
4. Whorepool needs de-whoring.
5. Whoreverine as well.
6. I'd love for them to undo the whole thing of House of M.
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Post by: Rodrigo Shin on July 21, 2010, 08:22:11 PM
Urgh. Hate the fact that Peter has to ALWAYS be a teenager in the eyes of Marvel.
Quesada just 'inherited the dream' if you will. The much maligned Clone Saga in the nineties? An elaborate ploy to have a single Spider-Man.

Seriously.

Followed suit in the post-CS crap with Byrne and Mackie where Harass (best typo ever, and accurate to boot) just demanded them to 'kill' MJ and be done with it. Both disagreed and did your token "comic book death" for it to be reversed soon as possible because either they did that either they lost their job.

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5- Wolverine gets to be one ONE TEAM. ONE. TEAM. (for that matter, Origins ends and he gets his regular title back)
Profitability warrants omnipresence (if your name is Deadpool, you don't have to be exactly too profitable either). Wolverine already has his ongoing back, it's called "Weapon X" and it's solid stuff. Aaron (writer) simply tells good stories about the kanuckhead and keeps acknowledgments (if ever some) of the assfuckery named "Origins" to be a bare minimum. They'll be renaming the title to simply "Wolverine" in the upcoming months no less.

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6. I'd love for them to undo the whole thing of House of M.
Halfway in proccess, current X-Men arc ended with 5 new mutants 'triggered' around the world. "LOL MUTANTS CAN ONLY BE A MINORITY IF THEIR IN HUNDREDS DERP HERP LOLZ" still seems to be in swing though.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on July 21, 2010, 08:42:01 PM
Halfway in proccess, current X-Men arc ended with 5 new mutants 'triggered' around the world. "LOL MUTANTS CAN ONLY BE A MINORITY IF THEIR IN HUNDREDS DERP HERP LOLZ" still seems to be in swing though.

Well that's good to hear.
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Post by: Gary Loaki on July 22, 2010, 05:41:41 AM
check it.

(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz297/Mischief_Loki/CHECKIT.jpg)
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Post by: Protoman Blues on July 22, 2010, 05:45:22 AM
How is that series? I've been thinking about picking that up!
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Post by: Gary Loaki on July 22, 2010, 05:51:36 AM
Totally a Gamer's comic book. It's got great action scenes, a [parasitic bomb] ton of video game references, hilariously awesome characters, a good sense of humor, and a great plot.

Honestly, one of my favorite comic book series ever.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 22, 2010, 05:56:09 AM
In my opinion? Meh. Hipsters hipsting. It's filled with art which you can't distinguish one character for another, weak romance story that's too realistic in terms of personalities for it to be interesting, full of unlikeable characters and boring dialogue. It kept my attention, and the game and the movie are gonna be REALLY good, but I didn't find the comic that good. It's pretty much got the quality of a decent webcomic. And the game references are too [tornado fang]ing obvious for anyone to find endearing.

Also, just read Spidey: A Moment in Time.

It's basically Quesada cutting up parts of the original wedding comic, and inserting his own "PETER GOT COLD FEET 'CAUSE HE'S A SINGLE MAAAN AND CAN NEVER COMMIT TO ANYONE AND THAT IS PROVEN BECAUSE HE'S SPIDER MAAN" twisted version of the story while a drunk Mary Jane narrates and keeps saying "Let's be friends let's be friends" in the background.

One of the biggest cases of RUBBING IT ON OUR FACES that I ever saw.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on July 22, 2010, 06:07:51 AM
Also, just read Spidey: A Moment in Time.

It's basically Quesada cutting up parts of the original wedding comic, and inserting his own "PETER GOT COLD FEET 'CAUSE HE'S A SINGLE MAAAN AND CAN NEVER COMMIT TO ANYONE AND THAT IS PROVEN BECAUSE HE'S SPIDER MAAN" twisted version of the story while a drunk Mary Jane narrates and keeps saying "Let's be friends let's be friends" in the background.

One of the biggest cases of RUBBING IT ON OUR FACES that I ever saw.

Is this a recent trade?
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Post by: Pyro on July 22, 2010, 06:26:44 AM
Is this a recent trade?

Actually, it's current if I'm not mistaken.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on July 22, 2010, 06:28:41 AM
Actually, it's current if I'm not mistaken.

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  That's hilarious!  Oh Quesada.....
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rodrigo Shin on July 22, 2010, 09:12:28 AM
Also, just read Spidey: A Moment in Time.

It's basically Quesada cutting up parts of the original wedding comic, and inserting his own "PETER GOT COLD FEET 'CAUSE HE'S A SINGLE MAAAN AND CAN NEVER COMMIT TO ANYONE AND THAT IS PROVEN BECAUSE HE'S SPIDER MAAN" twisted version of the story while a drunk Mary Jane narrates and keeps saying "Let's be friends let's be friends" in the background.

One of the biggest cases of RUBBING IT ON OUR FACES that I ever saw.
I think they've picked the best title possible for the story, though: One Moment In Time. Indeed, the story never seems to end.

From the hairbrained idea of shoving Michelinie's story on the wedding with Quesada's ad-lib stuff on the past to drastically different art styles throughout the story going as far as hand-drawn fonts jumping to digital ones, I was bored out of my skull. I honestly had trouble reading it. Because I rage out of the marriage? Because the story was painful?

No, it's just mediocre and terribly ill-paced. Without the whole layer of meanings for the marriage deal, it's an incredibly lousy comic by all standards.

I don't recommend it to anyone, because it's not effective even as torture, unless provoked uninspired boredom can prove to be fatal.
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Post by: Gotham Ranger on July 22, 2010, 09:15:11 AM
Joe Quesada and Dan DiDio.. What did we do to deserve them, oh comic gods?
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Post by: Protoman Blues on July 22, 2010, 09:20:13 AM
I had my chance to punch Quesada in the face last Comic Con.

It's a shame I really love going to the Comic Con
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Post by: Gotham Ranger on July 22, 2010, 09:34:03 AM
PB: You know, I'm pretty sure you'd be cheered on!
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 22, 2010, 12:46:40 PM
Is this a recent trade?
Came out yesterday. It's Quesada's sequel to One More Day.

Is there anything sadder than cutting up parts of old comics and replacing it with the new digital crappy art they have, for the sake of a fanboy's new official fanfic? When I started reading it and saw the classic art, at first I thought "Hey, they made classic-style art for this flashback? Sweet!" It was later that I kinda got the truth. This is probably one of the most shameless stories I've ever read. The kind that could be perceived as a joke if made as a straight parody. I mean... even if they say they made this just so Peter could be un-married for awhile and experience stories he couldn't while he was married, they could have done something like they did back when they "killed" MJ in a plane crash, then brought her back some time later. Peter was, for all intents and purposes, "single" for awhile. And you could see it was a temporary thing. This? It's RUBBING IT IN. And revelling in the awful status.
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Post by: Pyro on July 22, 2010, 03:44:04 PM
I had my chance to punch Quesada in the face last Comic Con.

I would've just kicked him where the sun don't shine.
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Post by: Flame on July 22, 2010, 06:00:54 PM
check it.

(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz297/Mischief_Loki/CHECKIT.jpg)
whats that series called?
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Post by: Align on July 22, 2010, 06:02:56 PM
Scott Pilgrim.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 22, 2010, 08:16:54 PM
Lemme rage a bit more here:

Aparently, what changed in the timeline, was that this guy who Spidey arrested, was let out of a police car BY A BIRD WHO LANDED ON A SWITCH, and later threw a brick at Spidey's head, which knocked him out for the day and made him miss his own wedding.

...also, Joe adds in a ton of insecurity and Peter constantly ranting to himself how this is a mistake. [tornado fang] you Joe.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on July 22, 2010, 08:44:35 PM
This? It's RUBBING IT IN. And revelling in the awful status.

Lemme rage a bit more here:

Aparently, what changed in the timeline, was that this guy who Spidey arrested, was let out of a police car BY A BIRD WHO LANDED ON A SWITCH, and later threw a brick at Spidey's head, which knocked him out for the day and made him miss his own wedding.

...also, Joe adds in a ton of insecurity and Peter constantly ranting to himself how this is a mistake. [tornado fang] you Joe.

Honestly, I'm not surprised.  Also, my friend showed me the panel with MJ & Mephisto and it's also just a kick to the face from Quesada again.  THIS is precisely why, after OMD, I would never buy a Spider-Man comic again.  Because Quesada literally is saying [tornado fang] You to all Spidey fans out there.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 22, 2010, 09:13:09 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/TASM638016.jpg)

GOD DAMMIT BIRD.

WHY YOU GOTTA BE SUCH AN ASS?

(and man, does that art suck)
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on July 22, 2010, 09:21:39 PM
Yeah it's pretty awful.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 22, 2010, 11:11:33 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/HeroicAge-PrinceofPower3011.jpg)

In other news, Prince of Power is AWESOME.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Gotham Ranger on July 23, 2010, 06:24:45 AM
Honestly, I'm not surprised.  Also, my friend showed me the panel with MJ & Mephisto and it's also just a kick to the face from Quesada again.  THIS is precisely why, after OMD, I would never buy a Spider-Man comic again.  Because Quesada literally is saying [tornado fang] You to all Spidey fans out there.
So it's a-okay to pirate?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 23, 2010, 12:35:45 PM
So it's a-okay to pirate?
I pirate pretty much every single comic I read. And if I enjoy it ALOT, and consider it something awesome, I buy it on trades and later on paperback to fit on the shelf. If I think it's good and integral to this or that storyline, I wait for the paperback edition to come out and get it.

...if I don't like it, I don't buy it. =P Thing is, this makes me buy a TON of comics, seeing as having them in your hand is a completely different experience than reading them on your PC. I love to experience both on every single comic I read. Reading them carefully on your hand is that one ritual I repeat with every single comic book, but reading them on a .cbr format on your computer, gets you to locate tiny details, and appreciate the art a whole lot more in a bigger format. Basically, I follow what I like, and still have all my main series pre-ordered in the store as soon as they come out. Most people who follow comics do this, because comic stores can't always keep all of the recent trades in and many times end up selling everything.

It's a good way to read comics without being spoiled just because you obtain your comic a week later when it comes out.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on July 23, 2010, 11:20:29 PM
Green Lantern: Rise of the Manhunters (http://kotaku.com/5594660/green-lanterns-light-shines-in-rise-of-the-manhunters)

Ahem......

PLEASE BE GOOD!
PLEASE BE GOOD!
PLEASE BE GOOD!
PLEASE BE GOOD!
PLEASE BE GOOD!
PLEASE BE GOOD!
PLEASE BE GOOD!
PLEASE BE GOOD!

Spider-Man Shattered Dimensions Voice Actors (http://kotaku.com/5594610/neil-patrick-harris-one-of-the-many-voices-of-spider+man-in-new-game)

All I can say is WOW! That's fan-[tornado fang]ing-tastic, and I mean that literally.  Getting all the previous voice actors of Spidey together for one game?  This might have sold me! (I'll probably still borrow Lou's and try it out first though!)
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 24, 2010, 01:05:34 AM
Green Lantern: Rise of the Manhunters (http://kotaku.com/5594660/green-lanterns-light-shines-in-rise-of-the-manhunters)

Ahem......

PLEASE BE GOOD!
PLEASE BE GOOD!
PLEASE BE GOOD!
PLEASE BE GOOD!
PLEASE BE GOOD!
PLEASE BE GOOD!
PLEASE BE GOOD!
PLEASE BE GOOD!

Spider-Man Shattered Dimensions Voice Actors (http://kotaku.com/5594610/neil-patrick-harris-one-of-the-many-voices-of-spider+man-in-new-game)

All I can say is WOW! That's fan-[tornado fang]ing-tastic, and I mean that literally.  Getting all the previous voice actors of Spidey together for one game?  This might have sold me! (I'll probably still borrow Lou's and try it out first though!)
Great on NPH's Spidey. And when it comes to WB Interactive Studios games, what's their track record with games? Track record of a company says EVERYTHING about how something turns out. Let's see...

http://www.doublehelixgames.com/games/

...oh God. We're [tornado fang]'d.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Waifu on July 24, 2010, 02:12:48 AM
I know this made old news and not surprising but what do you think of this:

http://www.watchmencomicmovie.com/072110-watchmen-rights-alan-moore.php (http://www.watchmencomicmovie.com/072110-watchmen-rights-alan-moore.php)
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on July 24, 2010, 02:59:31 AM
Great on NPH's Spidey. And when it comes to WB Interactive Studios games, what's their track record with games? Track record of a company says EVERYTHING about how something turns out. Let's see...

http://www.doublehelixgames.com/games/

...oh God. We're [tornado fang]'d.

MAYBE THERE'S STILL HOPE?

*looks for Blue Ring* Maybe....
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 24, 2010, 03:24:00 AM
I know this made old news and not surprising but what do you think of this:

http://www.watchmencomicmovie.com/072110-watchmen-rights-alan-moore.php (http://www.watchmencomicmovie.com/072110-watchmen-rights-alan-moore.php)
I kinda agree with the guy on one thing. Watchmen doesn't need a sequel. It's probably the one comic book that needs a sequel THE LEAST. It was made during the Cold War, with a Cold War message. It's meant to stay in that time, and still be relevant today. A sequel would [tornado fang] it up. That, and Alan Moore just plain HATES DC.

Also, what would he do with the Watchmen rights? Prevent them from making sequels? OH RIGHT, he would have had to make a sequel to obtain them in the first place. Alan doesn't even like Watchmen anymore, due to the importance DC placed upon it, and the way it's been popularized as a movie. So let the cranky old man in the woods be alone with his Glycon worship.


MAYBE THERE'S STILL HOPE?

*looks for Blue Ring* Maybe....
It's a movie property. No matter how good it is, it'll still be Tron outfit Hal Jordan, with Deadpool's face. I'll be waiting for an actual good game adaptation of GL, seeing as his comic is rising in popularity. Maybe we'll get it someday.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on July 24, 2010, 03:27:03 AM
I kinda agree with the guy on one thing. Watchmen doesn't need a sequel. It's probably the one comic book that needs a sequel THE LEAST. It was made during the Cold War, with a Cold War message. It's meant to stay in that time, and still be relevant today. A sequel would [tornado fang] it up. That, and Alan Moore just plain HATES DC.

Also, what would he do with the Watchmen rights? Prevent them from making sequels? OH RIGHT, he would have had to make a sequel to obtain them in the first place. Alan doesn't even like Watchmen anymore, due to the importance DC placed upon it, and the way it's been popularized as a movie. So let the cranky old man in the woods be alone with his Glycon worship.

Watchmen absolutely does not need a sequel. Ever.

Quote
It's a movie property. No matter how good it is, it'll still be Tron outfit Hal Jordan, with Deadpool's face. I'll be waiting for an actual good game adaptation of GL, seeing as his comic is rising in popularity. Maybe we'll get it someday.

Yeah, I know!   :(
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 24, 2010, 03:34:51 AM
You know how a GL game would work? If they managed to limit the gameplay on PURPOSE. Imagine a KOTOR-like RPG, with the Corps as party members, being able to use different constructs as skills and willpower upgrades (or maybe even equippable rings of different colors) with energy charge being chosen in stats menus. You choose to have this much ring energy to charge your shields, this much to fight, this much to fly... Imagine facing Manhunters as main enemies, being able to fly as a method of transportation and dislocation without having it be an action-based gameplay. An action-based GL wouldn't work at all, unless they had him just shooting little beams out of his ring. If he was grounded, maybe they could work in some combos with several different kinds of constructs, but flying, PLUS different constructs? No. Although to be honest, it'd be perfect to have those end-of-bossfight QTE sequences where you press a few buttons and make some awesome huge constructs appear to finish off the enemies.

A truly good Green Lantern game would be something VERY tough to make. Heck, if it had to be action, without limiting the gameplay, I daresay it'd be tougher to make than a Superman game. Which is already something VERY hard to make due to the versatibility of the hero, in my opinion.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on July 24, 2010, 03:38:38 AM
You know how a GL game would work? If they managed to limit the gameplay on PURPOSE. Imagine a KOTOR-like RPG, with the Corps as party members, being able to use different constructs as skills and willpower upgrades (or maybe even equippable rings of different colors) with energy charge being chosen in stats menus. You choose to have this much ring energy to charge your shields, this much to fight, this much to fly... Imagine facing Manhunters as main enemies, being able to fly as a method of transportation and dislocation without having it be an action-based gameplay. An action-based GL wouldn't work at all, unless they had him just shooting little beams out of his ring. If he was grounded, maybe they could work in some combos with several different kinds of constructs, but flying, PLUS different constructs? No. Although to be honest, it'd be perfect to have those end-of-bossfight QTE sequences where you press a few buttons and make some awesome huge constructs appear to finish off the enemies.

A truly good Green Lantern game would be something VERY tough to make. Heck, if it had to be action, without limiting the gameplay, I daresay it'd be tougher to make than a Superman game. Which is already something VERY hard to make due to the versatibility of the hero, in my opinion.

I agree that a KOTOR style game would probably work the best. Plus if you have the different Earth Lanterns, they could each have different constructs each, suited to each one's style. 

But yeah, that's the real problem with a Green Lantern game. The only limit on the ring would be one's imagination. LoL, unless they do it Scribblenauts style!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 24, 2010, 04:12:42 AM
I agree that a KOTOR style game would probably work the best. Plus if you have the different Earth Lanterns, they could each have different constructs each, suited to each one's style. 

But yeah, that's the real problem with a Green Lantern game. The only limit on the ring would be one's imagination. LoL, unless they do it Scribblenauts style!
It doesn't have to be anything you want with the ring. They just need a few constructs for each. Heck, Hal Jordan solves most of his problems with a big green boxing glove, or a standard beam of light. The problem would be to conciliate those powers, with the flying. Superman Returns came close to making a good Superman game. The gameplay was decent. Not good, but very decent, and their best effort yet. But the level design and game structure was screwed up. But Green Lantern doesn't just use fists and beams, he's supposed to use a whole lot of abilities, WHILE flying. And while it would DEFINETLY work if it'd use something dreamy like a Zone of the Enders gameplay to combine flying/combat along with some space sequences ala Beyond Good & Evil... we already know that game devs aren't gonna have the trouble to combine two original and very well-designed gaming standards that were designed by the best of the best, specially when they just got a licensed property on their hands.

...maybe when GL's as popular as Batman. Until then, we can expect no more quality than that one Watchmen brawler (which actually wasn't that bad, it was just sickeningly repetitive).
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on July 24, 2010, 04:45:44 AM
It doesn't have to be anything you want with the ring. They just need a few constructs for each.

LoL, I thought that's what I said! XD
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on July 24, 2010, 04:53:25 AM
Look what Joey Q said at panel in San Diego...

Quote
Question for Quesada: One More Day, Brand New Day, big controversy -- at what point in time did you realize it did, or didn't, pay off? Quesada: "Spider-Man is so strong, creatively, we knew -- payoff or not -- the idea of Spider-Man being single again was the most important goal, and we managed to do that. When it started to pay off is when Brand New Day started to kick into high gear, and people started meeting each other... that's what we wanted. We wanted that canon of people in Peter's life to be enhanced again. Because it had gotten stale, it had gotten limited due to marriage and other trappings of the character."

Comments?

Does this guy even get it, or is he that bat-[parasitic bomb] insane? Dude, putting Peter back to where he was over twenty years ago through an incredibly stupid plot contrivance is about as fresh as twenty year old coleslaw.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 24, 2010, 05:04:46 AM
Look what Joey Q said at panel in San Diego...

Comments?

Does this guy even get it, or is he that bat-[parasitic bomb] insane? Dude, putting Peter back to where he was over twenty years ago through an incredibly stupid plot contrivance is about as fresh as twenty year old coleslaw.
He's crazy. Pretty much, he wants to keep Peter a teen. Which is, I dunno, WHAT HE'S BEEN PORTRAYED AS ALL OF THESE YEARS.

God dammit, Quesada.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Gotham Ranger on July 24, 2010, 05:22:34 AM
He's crazy. Pretty much, he wants to keep Peter a teen. Which is, I dunno, WHAT HE'S BEEN PORTRAYED AS ALL OF THESE YEARS.

God dammit, Quesada.
Wasn't that what the Ultimate universe was for?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on July 24, 2010, 05:24:09 AM
Quote
Because it had gotten stale, it had gotten limited due to marriage and other trappings of the character."

Of course.  It couldn't have POSSIBLY been because of god-awful writing and [acid burst] poor stories...
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on July 24, 2010, 05:30:02 AM
Wasn't that what the Ultimate universe was for?

Pretty much, and Marvel Adventures while it was still around. But Joey Q's too obsessed with a single Spidey he forgot there's an entire generation of fans who grew up with a married Spidey, and that retconning the marriage out would horribly split the fanbase.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on July 24, 2010, 05:32:21 AM
Pretty much, and Marvel Adventures while it was still around. But Joey Q's too obsessed with a single Spidey he forgot there's an entire generation of fans who grew up with a married Spidey, and that retconning the marriage out would horribly split the fanbase.

It's not even that he split the marriage.  I mean, I have a problem with it, but that's me. 

The real problem is the way he went about it, as well as the previous stories before, especially Civil War.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Gotham Ranger on July 24, 2010, 05:38:23 AM
It's not even that he split the marriage.  I mean, I have a problem with it, but that's me. 

The real problem is the way he went about it, as well as the previous stories before, especially Civil War.
I want to make a snarky comment.. But I can't find words that fit my disappointment with this man.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on July 24, 2010, 05:42:05 AM
The real problem is the way he went about it, as well as the previous stories before, especially Civil War.

I have no argument with that, it would've been easier to accept getting rid of the marriage in a believable way. Even JMS smelled bull-[parasitic bomb] when Joey Q wanted to use "magic" as his excuse, I even wonder if JMS really wrote it of if Quesada did using his name, I wouldn't be surprised.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on July 24, 2010, 05:54:41 AM
I have no argument with that, it would've been easier to accept getting rid of the marriage in a believable way. Even JMS smelled bull-[parasitic bomb] when Joey Q wanted to use "magic" as his excuse, I even wonder if JMS really wrote it of if Quesada did using his name, I wouldn't be surprised.

The problem starts with Civil War. Spider-Man, ABOVE EVERY [tornado fang]ing SUPERHERO IN COMIC HISTORY, knows the danger of what happens when psychopaths find out who you are under the mask. So instead of just simply revealing his identity to the government & SHIELD, which was ALL that was required, he takes off his mask IN FRONT OF THE WORLD. Peter Parker is not a [tornado fang]ing idiot, and he would HAVE to have known that one of the many, many, MANY people he's pissed off with his quips and remarks would come after him or his loved one, which of course they do.

Cut to OMD. Instead of Peter learning his lesson and taking responsibility for what he foolishly did, you know what UNCLE BEN TOLD HIM TO DO WITH GREAT POWER, all his problems are magically wished away...BY THE DEVIL!

That's the problem with OMD. It's not only a spit in the face to the fans, but it has absolutely no respect for Spider-Man himself.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Gotham Ranger on July 24, 2010, 10:47:59 AM
The problem starts with Civil War. Spider-Man, ABOVE EVERY [tornado fang]ing SUPERHERO IN COMIC HISTORY, knows the danger of what happens when psychopaths find out who you are under the mask. So instead of just simply revealing his identity to the government & SHIELD, which was ALL that was required, he takes off his mask IN FRONT OF THE WORLD. Peter Parker is not a [tornado fang]ing idiot, and he would HAVE to have known that one of the many, many, MANY people he's pissed off with his quips and remarks would come after him or his loved one, which of course they do.

Cut to OMD. Instead of Peter learning his lesson and taking responsibility for what he foolishly did, you know what UNCLE BEN TOLD HIM TO DO WITH GREAT POWER, all his problems are magically wished away...BY THE DEVIL!

That's the problem with OMD. It's not only a spit in the face to the fans, but it has absolutely no respect for Spider-Man himself.
It's like Quesada didn't read Spider-Man comics AT ALL before he stuck his [tornado fang]ing nose into them. Asking for the Devil himself to change things? Where the [tornado fang] is that in Spidey's character.. EVER?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 24, 2010, 02:22:17 PM
...Red Hulk has been confirmed by Quesada and Loeb to join the Avengers.



...MY HEAD IS FULL OFF WHAT THE [tornado fang]
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on July 24, 2010, 04:40:57 PM
...Red Hulk has been confirmed by Quesada and Loeb to join the Avengers.



...MY HEAD IS FULL OFF WHAT THE [tornado fang]
WAT
THE
[tornado fang]
?!

Why would Red Hulk join the Avengers. WHY WOULD THEY WANT HIM ANYWAY?!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 24, 2010, 05:47:41 PM
WAT
THE
[tornado fang]
?!

Why would Red Hulk join the Avengers. WHY WOULD THEY WANT HIM ANYWAY?!
"Redemption for Ross", Loeb and Quesada said. Which is stupid. Isn't he currently a villain in this arc? Even AFTER he did all his "I've sinned soooo many times!" confession?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on July 24, 2010, 11:23:28 PM
...Red Hulk has been confirmed by Quesada and Loeb to join the Avengers.



...MY HEAD IS FULL OFF WHAT THE [tornado fang]

.................

Wow
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rodrigo Shin on July 24, 2010, 11:40:47 PM
I have no argument with that, it would've been easier to accept getting rid of the marriage in a believable way. Even JMS smelled bull-[parasitic bomb] when Joey Q wanted to use "magic" as his excuse, I even wonder if JMS really wrote it of if Quesada did using his name, I wouldn't be surprised.
JMS was going to use magic himself. He was going to use the deal and have Gwen stay alive, thus nullifying the marriage and the whole fucklot of stuff in the proccess. That was his big idea to retcon Sins Past.

So Joe Q says he doesn't want Gwen back, and JMS ups the ante on butthurt to ludicrous levels (see also: Thor is HIS property, not Marvel's).

Pot calling kettle black takes a whole new meaning in this entire equation.

Also everybody is an Avenger now. When the X-titles got out of hand in the nineties because of the X-Men cartoon? That's what happening to the Avengers.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Acid on July 24, 2010, 11:42:16 PM
Someone who's not big into comics here:

Explain to me the difference between Red and Green Hulk

And why this latest thing is so bad
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rodrigo Shin on July 24, 2010, 11:47:31 PM
Someone who's not big into comics here:

Explain to me the difference between Red and Green Hulk

And why this latest thing is so bad
Green Hulk is the Hulk everybody knows who keeps alternating between dumb and smart depending on who writes it.

Red Hulk was a character taken out of nowhere because one of this generation's most prolific authors (sales don't lie!) wanted a character who could beat the [parasitic bomb] out of the entire Marvel Universe and kept his identity a mystery for 20+ issues in which Red Hulk was an ass to basically everybody and beat everybody up in a coup with assorted Marvel villains to take over the US Government. Then it was revealed he's General Thunderbolt Ross, the army-guy who's always chasing Hulk around for as long as he is alive.

And now he's gonna be a hero.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 24, 2010, 11:50:24 PM
Someone who's not big into comics here:

Explain to me the difference between Red and Green Hulk

And why this latest thing is so bad
Green Hulk is Hulk. Red Hulk is the same army general who first called him a monstrosity and wanted to kill him for being so in the first place.

IIIIIIIIRONY.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on July 25, 2010, 12:37:24 AM
Red Hulk was a character taken out of nowhere because one of this generation's most prolific authors (sales don't lie!) wanted a character who could beat the [parasitic bomb] out of the entire Marvel Universe and kept his identity a mystery for 20+ issues in which Red Hulk was an ass to basically everybody and beat everybody up in a coup with assorted Marvel villains to take over the US Government. Then it was revealed he's General Thunderbolt Ross, the army-guy who's always chasing Hulk around for as long as he is alive.

Was any of that any good?

And did Red She-Hulk come out already?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Gotham Ranger on July 25, 2010, 12:43:40 AM
You know what we need?

Most Excellent Superbat needs to buy Marvel. Surely it's cheaper than Japan.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 25, 2010, 12:56:07 AM
Was any of that any good?

And did Red She-Hulk come out already?
It wasn't any good. There's a whooole issue just flashbacking Ross' entire life. He says he's so sorry, he's so incredibly sorry, his life is filled with sin, blah blah blah... then culminates the issue toppling the American government.

And She-Rulk is Betty.

You know what we need?

Most Excellent Superbat needs to buy Marvel. Surely it's cheaper than Japan.
I bought Japan because it was being the target of a massive conspiracy that shook the balance of the world itself, and it had to be fixed.

...but even I can't fix Marvel. >_>
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Gotham Ranger on July 25, 2010, 01:04:15 AM
...but even I can't fix Marvel. >_>
But.. But.. Money can fix everything!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on July 25, 2010, 01:06:28 AM
Oh well, at least there's DC. If you ignore the whole "Rise of Arsenal" thing.

But.. But.. Money can fix everything!

Marvel crossed the event horizon already. Even money can't escape a black hole.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 25, 2010, 01:09:26 AM
Oh well, at least there's DC. If you ignore the whole "Rise of Arsenal" thing.
...and the Titans [tornado fang]-ups.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on July 25, 2010, 01:10:46 AM
...and the Titans [tornado fang]-ups.

Damn! How could I forget that?

Oh yeah, repressed memories.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on July 25, 2010, 01:13:04 AM
It wasn't any good. There's a whooole issue just flashbacking Ross' entire life. He says he's so sorry, he's so incredibly sorry, his life is filled with sin, blah blah blah... then culminates the issue toppling the American government.

And She-Rulk is Betty.

It looked pretty god awful.

......she isn't STILL She-Rulk, is she?  Man, Hulk needs to be shot into space again so his stories can be good.

Damn! How could I forget that?

Oh yeah, repressed memories.

They help.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on July 25, 2010, 01:20:04 AM
It's funny and sad that not even my favorite YJers/Titans, Superboy and Kid Flash, couldn't renew my interest in the title. On the bright side, I have high hopes for the upcoming Superboy series because Jeff Lemire's take on the Atom is kicking seven degrees of butt (and I'm looking forward to the Superboy/Kid Flash race). Need I mention the second Flash title?

Good times to be an YJ fan right now, even if the team itself is defunct.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 25, 2010, 01:29:47 AM
It looked pretty god awful.

......she isn't STILL She-Rulk, is she?  Man, Hulk needs to be shot into space again so his stories can be good.
It was pretty God-awful. And yes. Only when Hulk goes cosmic again, will his stories be good. Seriously, some kind of alien force needs to destroy the Earth and get it over with. Then, all would be cool in the universe.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on July 25, 2010, 01:33:25 AM
It's funny and sad that not even my favorite YJers/Titans, Superboy and Kid Flash, couldn't renew my interest in the title. On the bright side, I have high hopes for the upcoming Superboy series because Jeff Lemire's take on the Atom is kicking seven degrees of butt (and I'm looking forward to the Superboy/Kid Flash race). Need I mention the second Flash title?

Good times to be an YJ fan right now, even if the team itself is defunct.

Yeah, I read some of the new Teen Titans issues as well. I mean, not only are the stories bad, and ONCE AGAIN revolving around Raven, but the literal writing itself is pretty awful as well.

I miss YJ.

It was pretty God-awful. And yes. Only when Hulk goes cosmic again, will his stories be good. Seriously, some kind of alien force needs to destroy the Earth and get it over with. Then, all would be cool in the universe.

I mean, Planet Hulk was so good I bought the trade. Although I wasn't the hugest fan of World War Hulk though.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rodrigo Shin on July 25, 2010, 01:36:26 AM
Quote
Implying whichever of the big two are unsalvageable, terribly better off than the other one, or whatever
(http://a.imageshack.us/img51/51/1279915872116.jpg)

Was any of that any good?

And did Red She-Hulk come out already?
Honestly?

It's brainless, mindless fun. So-bad-it's-good-fun. This is Loeb you're talking about. Throw logic out of the window. Expect high levels of absurd histrionics to worse (anybody remember Superman beating Darkseid into space ranting about how Supergirl would never eat an APPLE PIE again? Or Ultimate Hank Pym yelling "That makes me... the [chameleon sting]er!!!" when he decapitates Ultimate Ultron?). And Red Hulk hadn't even showed up, himself, in any other Marvel title. The entire thing had that vibe of "nobody is going to ride with whatever is hapenning in this book" all the time. It was really contained to the red Hulk book and Incredible Hulk books and that was it.

I wouldn't exactly go recommending it to anyone, but if you don't mind seeing things taken to extremes that are so god damn ludicrous you're laughing at the book (even if I'm quite sure it's not intentional), you can flip through it and think it's the same as a brainless Hollywood popcorn flick. Otherwise, just steer clear.

Trying to bring Red Hulk into the Avengers, though, just goes completely against that. Especially handled by Bendis.

Quote
......she isn't STILL She-Rulk, is she?
Yes, she is, and apparently will be for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on July 25, 2010, 02:04:37 AM
It's brainless, mindless fun. So-bad-it's-good-fun. This is Loeb you're talking about. Throw logic out of the window. Expect high levels of absurd histrionics to worse (anybody remember Superman beating Darkseid into space ranting about how Supergirl would never eat an APPLE PIE again? Or Ultimate Hank Pym yelling "That makes me... the [chameleon sting]er!!!" when he decapitates Ultimate Ultron?). And Red Hulk hadn't even showed up, himself, in any other Marvel title. The entire thing had that vibe of "nobody is going to ride with whatever is hapenning in this book" all the time. It was really contained to the red Hulk book and Incredible Hulk books and that was it.

OHHHH. Loeb wrote it.  That pretty much explains it all right there.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 25, 2010, 02:45:26 AM
OHHHH. Loeb wrote it.  That pretty much explains it all right there.
It's probably his Bizarro Magnum Opus, next to Ultimatum.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on July 25, 2010, 05:44:54 AM
It's probably his Bizarro Magnum Opus, next to Ultimatum.

Impressive.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 26, 2010, 02:09:05 AM
Just been announced that Carnage is gonna come back.

...as a girl.

http://comics.ign.com/articles/110/1108393p1.html

Fetishists, rejoice!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on July 26, 2010, 03:54:36 AM
I wonder how the symbiote survived reentry.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 26, 2010, 04:36:04 AM
I wonder how the symbiote survived reentry.
With the power... OF EDITORIAL CHANGES!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on July 26, 2010, 05:17:24 AM
Just been announced that Carnage is gonna come back.

...as a girl.

http://comics.ign.com/articles/110/1108393p1.html

Fetishists, rejoice!

Meh, never been the biggest Carnage fan. And what's this about Iron Man new liquid nature for his armor?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 26, 2010, 09:44:38 AM
Meh, never been the biggest Carnage fan. And what's this about Iron Man new liquid nature for his armor?
Gotta love how they constantly try to make his armor more real and less real, more real, less real...
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on July 26, 2010, 10:22:28 AM
Gotta love how they constantly try to make his armor more real and less real, more real, less real...

Maybe he needs to be shot into space...
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 26, 2010, 01:32:28 PM
Maybe he needs to be shot into space...
I'd love that. Tony Stark would actually make awesome stuff in Marvel Cosmic. I can see him chilling with Star-Lord, helping out the Guardians of the Galaxy, and helping Nova setup the Corps again.

Also, Hobgobby is back. Yay!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Gotham Ranger on July 27, 2010, 10:05:45 PM
Just been announced that Carnage is gonna come back.

...as a girl.

http://comics.ign.com/articles/110/1108393p1.html

Fetishists, rejoice!
Female Carnage?

I can dig it.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on July 27, 2010, 10:17:13 PM
Since I was never a huge fan of Carnage in the first place, I generally have no issue with this. Here's hoping they improve upon the character.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Mirby on July 27, 2010, 10:47:27 PM
They have. With boobs. /generic-response
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 27, 2010, 11:28:08 PM
Not everything can be improved with boobs. For example, Wolverine and Hulk can, but Spider-Man can't.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Blackhook on July 27, 2010, 11:33:44 PM
...So, everything besides Spidey can be improved with boobs...
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Acid on July 27, 2010, 11:34:19 PM
Not everything can be improved with boobs. For example, Wolverine and Hulk can, but Spider-Man can't.

You're a fool that underestimated the power of boobs
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Blackhook on July 27, 2010, 11:38:55 PM
You're a fool that underestimated the power of boobs
How shall we punish the nonbeliever?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 27, 2010, 11:50:13 PM
(http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID35919/images/shehulk.jpg)
Cool

(http://pnmedia.gamespy.com/planetxmen.gamespy.com/images/solicits/200701/x23thetarget-2.jpg)
Cool

(http://www.disneydreaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Spider-Woman-Movie.jpg)
Bendis Fap Material

Any question?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Acid on July 28, 2010, 12:07:20 AM
A ban of three days

Posted on: 27-07-2010, 22:50:30
(http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID35919/images/shehulk.jpg)
Cool

(http://pnmedia.gamespy.com/planetxmen.gamespy.com/images/solicits/200701/x23thetarget-2.jpg)
Cool

(http://www.disneydreaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Spider-Woman-Movie.jpg)
Bendis Fap Material

Any question?

I see no problems here. At all.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on July 28, 2010, 12:12:29 AM
Any question?

What about Spider-Girl?   XDs
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 28, 2010, 01:09:17 AM
What about Spider-Girl?   XDs
...you mean the recently killed Mattie Franklin, who was one of the few cheered up and enthusiastic characters in the Spider-Man saga, or do you mean May Parker, the future daughter of Peter Parker and Mary Ja... whoops, forgot about that. I mean NONEXISTANT future May Parker.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on July 28, 2010, 03:44:29 AM
or do you mean May Parker, the future daughter of Peter Parker and Mary Ja... whoops, forgot about that. I mean NONEXISTANT future May Parker.

That one!  The one pretty much every fan liked, except Quesada!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Waifu on July 28, 2010, 04:49:40 AM
So to sum this up, Quesada sucks as a writer?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on July 28, 2010, 05:46:49 AM
About as bad as Dan DiDio, I hear. The dude practically wrote Countdown himself.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 28, 2010, 12:36:14 PM
Editors are awful writers. Stick to your own job, people!

And Didio wrote Countdown as a way to show he could do something better than the stellar 52 (52 is still one of the best DC Universe-written comics in a VERY long time), and ended up doing an incredibly shitty comic, which [tornado fang]'d up so much story, it had to be almost fully taken out of canon. Hell, I don't currently know how much of Countdown is canon and how much it's not.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on July 28, 2010, 05:38:11 PM
Editors are awful writers. Stick to your own job, people!

And Didio wrote Countdown as a way to show he could do something better than the stellar 52 (52 is still one of the best DC Universe-written comics in a VERY long time), and ended up doing an incredibly shitty comic, which [tornado fang]'d up so much story, it had to be almost fully taken out of canon. Hell, I don't currently know how much of Countdown is canon and how much it's not.

I know that the ending isn't.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 28, 2010, 09:40:15 PM
I know that the ending isn't.
I quit long before the ending.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on July 28, 2010, 09:41:37 PM
I quit long before the ending.

As did I.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Gotham Ranger on July 29, 2010, 11:05:26 AM
As did I.
Now I never wanna start.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on July 29, 2010, 11:37:42 AM
Countdown is wholely skippable. I didn't find one single event worth noticing in it that is important for later.

Heck, even with tie-ins, such as Death of the New Gods, all you gotta know is this: Celestial war. New Gods are dead. There. That's how Morrison intended Final Crisis to be followed anyway.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 04, 2010, 07:34:09 AM
THIS LOOKS LIKE A JOB FOR SUPERMAN! (http://io9.com/5603755/family-finds-250k-copy-of-action-comics-1-in-home-selling-it-to-prevent-foreclosure)

Touching.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on August 04, 2010, 07:39:26 AM
Smart move. 
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 04, 2010, 11:53:13 AM
THIS LOOKS LIKE A JOB FOR SUPERMAN! (http://io9.com/5603755/family-finds-250k-copy-of-action-comics-1-in-home-selling-it-to-prevent-foreclosure)

Touching.
...I feel extremely happy for them, yet think they've been properly gypped when it came to a reasonable price.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Waifu on August 04, 2010, 05:11:09 PM
I have question for you pros and core fans, how did Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns start the Dark Age? I know the Comedian and rorschach are cool but still, I don't know how they contributed to the madness of the nineties Dark Age.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 04, 2010, 06:56:55 PM
I have question for you pros and core fans, how did Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns start the Dark Age? I know the Comedian and rorschach are cool but still, I don't know how they contributed to the madness of the nineties Dark Age.

Well essentially, it almost got rid of a lot of the humor in comics and made everything kinda dark and gritty, due to the immense popularity of those two comics.  There's probably more to it, but I just woke up so I can't think of it. 
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 04, 2010, 08:40:14 PM
I have question for you pros and core fans, how did Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns start the Dark Age? I know the Comedian and rorschach are cool but still, I don't know how they contributed to the madness of the nineties Dark Age.
You know how in the beginning of the movie age, everything was dumb and silly? And then in came Citizen Kane, and actually made a good and complex, long story that made people take movies seriously, as an art? Well, Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns did that for comics, in a way. But like in movies, soon, everyone was a fan of dark broody x-treme violence and loads of crap which teenagers seemed to be quite fond of. Nowadays, stuff's beginning to pick up, since the 00's. Few heroes remained untouched by the sheer x-treme grimdark crappiness of 90's culture. Luckily, stuff's began to pick up since the 00's.


...in other news, let's take a look at comics today...

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs209.snc4/38804_1305376887922_1635516505_756316_3464926_n.jpg)

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF THEY'RE NOT GETTING BACK TOGETHER EVEN IF MEPHISTO'S DEAL IS REVEALED

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/TASM639030.jpg)

CPR DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT

...AND IT TURNS OUT THEY WERE TOGETHER ALL ALONG UNTIL RECENTLY, JUST NOT MARRIED.

...THEN WHY GET RID OF THE MARRIAGE IN THE FIRST PLACE, YOU [tornado fang]

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/1280949161275.png)

QUESADA, YOU [tornado fang]. I AM GOING TO KILL YOU.


...oh my God. I think Quesada's trying to enrage every single comic book fan in existance by copy-pasting his idea of a perfect life into comics.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 05, 2010, 06:04:11 AM
To be QUITE honest, there's a part of me that thinks Spidey fans who continued to buy the comic after OMD deserve this.  He literally kicked fans in the crotch, people still bought it, and how he's taking a bat to the fan's cock.  I mean I read the whole issue today, and it's [tornado fang]ing brutal.

Meanwhile, Geoff Johns should've just entitled today's Brightest Day issue, BRIGHTEST DAY: [parasitic bomb] JUST GOT REAL!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on August 05, 2010, 06:14:37 AM
At least Brighest day is doing good then
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on August 05, 2010, 06:20:22 AM
What the hell... did I just read there?
That one page.... and that Mary Jane.
I just dunno anymore.

IS THIS THE REAL LIFE, IS THIS JUST FANTASY?!

No, it's [tornado fang]ing Quesada shitting up Spiderman.

Heh.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on August 05, 2010, 07:11:03 AM
Meanwhile, Geoff Johns should've just entitled today's Brightest Day issue, BRIGHTEST DAY: [parasitic bomb] JUST GOT REAL!

In-[tornado fang]ing-deed.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 05, 2010, 12:20:27 PM
In-[tornado fang]ing-deed.
It's basically: "Everyone's got a tiny role to play, intended or unintended, in a huge complicated mess soon. Zoom has time travel shenanigans, so he's scot free."

Shadowland is also quite crap this month.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on August 06, 2010, 08:19:33 AM
Yeah, I was gonna ask about that.  I got one of the promo posters as a freebie with my latest comic purchases.  Is it worth checking out at all, or should I avoid it at all costs?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 06, 2010, 08:24:07 AM
It's basically: "Everyone's got a tiny role to play, intended or unintended, in a huge complicated mess soon. Zoom has time travel shenanigans, so he's scot free."

What I like about Zoom's part is that he accomplished his mission, so he gets to live, which in turn means that whomever doesn't accomplish there mission is going to die. XD
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 06, 2010, 12:33:21 PM
Yeah, I was gonna ask about that.  I got one of the promo posters as a freebie with my latest comic purchases.  Is it worth checking out at all, or should I avoid it at all costs?
Nope. Get into some other comic instead. Anything Vertigo, Marvel Cosmic, Brightest Day-related... anything but "event which obviously is gonna either kill Daredevil or change him for a coupla years so in return, we gotta lower a hero to his standards, and that means ruining Nova or some other guy".

What I like about Zoom's part is that he accomplished his mission, so he gets to live, which in turn means that whomever doesn't accomplish there mission is going to die. XD
Not necessarily. They're all still dead, remember? Black Lantern powers? As far as we know, each one of them has a limited time to live before turning completely into black lanterns again.

Digger's got the best end of the deal with his useful powers, though.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 06, 2010, 07:15:36 PM
Not necessarily. They're all still dead, remember? Black Lantern powers? As far as we know, each one of them has a limited time to live before turning completely into black lanterns again.

Digger's got the best end of the deal with his useful powers, though.

I don't know if they'll turn into Black Lanterns again as much as they might just outright die. From what it seems like to me, all of them are hovering between life and death, except for Zoom who got to live cause he accomplished his task.  Ironically enough, the task I'm most interested in is probably Max Lord's.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 06, 2010, 10:58:40 PM
I don't know if they'll turn into Black Lanterns again as much as they might just outright die. From what it seems like to me, all of them are hovering between life and death, except for Zoom who got to live cause he accomplished his task.  Ironically enough, the task I'm most interested in is probably Max Lord's.
Heck, aside from the main book, Flash and GL, Justice League: Generation Lost is the only Brighest Day book I'm following. Max is finally being written by his makers, so this should be really good.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on August 06, 2010, 11:50:18 PM
Nope. Get into some other comic instead. Anything Vertigo, Marvel Cosmic, Brightest Day-related... anything but "event which obviously is gonna either kill Daredevil or change him for a coupla years so in return, we gotta lower a hero to his standards, and that means ruining Nova or some other guy".

Already following Brightest Day, GL, GLC, Outsiders, Flash, Star Wars: Invasion, and Deadpool, so I'll just keep on going with those. XD

Anywho, speaking of Brightest Day...  I wonder if Johns will ever reveal Larfleeze's motto.  Perhaps what has transpired in a recent issue will lead up to that.  Or, we may never know it because it's more fitting that Larfleeze never share it, the greedy lil Muppet.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 07, 2010, 12:11:51 AM
Already following Brightest Day, GL, GLC, Outsiders, Flash, Star Wars: Invasion, and Deadpool, so I'll just keep on going with those. XD

Anywho, speaking of Brightest Day...  I wonder if Johns will ever reveal Larfleeze's motto.  Perhaps what has transpired in a recent issue will lead up to that.  Or, we may never know it because it's more fitting that Larfleeze never share it, the greedy lil Muppet.
Try reading the Annihilation event from Marvel Cosmic. You won't regret it.

And he's going to reveal it sooner or later, he said his oath was the best. Not just that, we'll soon know the question Hal wanted to ask Sinestro before Blackest Night.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on August 07, 2010, 12:27:14 AM
Larfleeze will... share?  It's going to take alot for him to do so, and I can prolly guess what that will entail.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 07, 2010, 08:10:05 AM
Heck, aside from the main book, Flash and GL, Justice League: Generation Lost is the only Brighest Day book I'm following. Max is finally being written by his makers, so this should be really good.

I'm following Green Arrow also, just because I've always liked Green Arrow. Although I haven't been a big fan of what they've done to him recently though.  I think I'm dropping JLA though.  It just doesn't interest me much anymore.  Perhaps I'll replace it with JLI, now that they're back and Jamie Reyes is back in a comic again.....other than Teen Titans, which is terrible.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 07, 2010, 12:26:40 PM
I'm following Green Arrow also, just because I've always liked Green Arrow. Although I haven't been a big fan of what they've done to him recently though.  I think I'm dropping JLA though.  It just doesn't interest me much anymore.  Perhaps I'll replace it with JLI, now that they're back and Jamie Reyes is back in a comic again.....other than Teen Titans, which is terrible.
JLI has been ruling quite hard in their last few comics. Them, and Booster Gold, are just classic JLI. It's amazing to see them back after so long. ;_;

And I actually enjoyed both Green Arrow issues I've read, but I'm not buying them, or following them strictly.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 07, 2010, 08:50:07 PM
JLI has been ruling quite hard in their last few comics. Them, and Booster Gold, are just classic JLI. It's amazing to see them back after so long. ;_;

And I actually enjoyed both Green Arrow issues I've read, but I'm not buying them, or following them strictly.

GA needs to use his sword more too, I think!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 07, 2010, 09:29:12 PM
GA needs to use his sword more too, I think!
...

...he has a sword?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 07, 2010, 09:34:27 PM
...

...he has a sword?

He use too. During the 52 thing, when he became Mayor of Star City, he went back to the island to retrain himself. The guy who taught Deathstroke trained him and told him in his farewell letter,

"Your Robin Hood carried steel. So should you.

And lose that insipid hat!"

I thought him with a sword was pretty awesome.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 07, 2010, 09:38:01 PM
He use too. During the 52 thing, when he became Mayor of Star City, he went back to the island to retrain himself. The guy who taught Deathstroke trained him and told him in his farewell letter,

"Your Robin Hood carried steel. So should you.

And lose that insipid hat!"

I thought him with a sword was pretty awesome.
I don't remember reading THAT on 52. But that would be pretty damn cool. Also, thank God he's back to his hood. The hat is indeed insipid.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 07, 2010, 09:56:16 PM
I don't remember reading THAT on 52. But that would be pretty damn cool. Also, thank God he's back to his hood. The hat is indeed insipid.

Apologies. I should have said during the One Year Later thing after Infinite Crisis. During the GA comic, they showed what happened to all of them during that year, so it wasn't part of 52. However yeah, I loved the fact that he carried a sword, cause it just made perfect sense.

Haha, and I agree. I prefer hood over hat as well. 
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 08, 2010, 12:42:33 AM
Apologies. I should have said during the One Year Later thing after Infinite Crisis. During the GA comic, they showed what happened to all of them during that year, so it wasn't part of 52. However yeah, I loved the fact that he carried a sword, cause it just made perfect sense.

Haha, and I agree. I prefer hood over hat as well. 
Ah, I see now. I pretty much only read Supes', Bats', Flash's and GL's storylines on that one.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 08, 2010, 06:41:43 AM
Ah, I see now. I pretty much only read Supes', Bats', Flash's and GL's storylines on that one.

The GA comic was very good, both before and after Infinite Crisis. I didn't like what they did with him recently. A part of me still wishes he and Black Canary were married.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 08, 2010, 10:51:28 AM
It sucks when they think threy're Quesada....

The only old issue i read of GA was actually the wedding issue. And wasn't it like a clone or shapeshifter at the end playing Ollie?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Gotham Ranger on August 08, 2010, 12:32:30 PM
A part of me still wishes he and Black Canary were married.
What? They're not married? What happened?

Also, I've always loved GA's attitude. It's gold. I loved when he joins Batman and gang to go [tornado fang] up Brother Eye in Infinite Crisis, and Batman tells him "I just wanted to see if you would come along".
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 08, 2010, 10:45:33 PM
It sucks when they think threy're Quesada....

The only old issue i read of GA was actually the wedding issue. And wasn't it like a clone or shapeshifter at the end playing Ollie?

Yeah, it was. It twas bizarre.

What? They're not married? What happened?

Essentially GA lost himself somewhere along the line. Then during the Cry for Justice series, he kills Prometheus for what he did to Star City.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 08, 2010, 11:37:10 PM
Yeah, it was. It twas bizarre.

Essentially GA lost himself somewhere along the line. Then during the Cry for Justice series, he kills Prometheus for what he did to Star City.
That's certainly quite a stupid turn after the great moment they had in Final Crisis.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on August 09, 2010, 01:12:53 AM
That's certainly quite a stupid turn after the great moment they had in Final Crisis.

I agree. Wholeheartedly.
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Post by: Pyro on August 10, 2010, 06:33:13 AM
Well, it's not over until Dinah signs the divorce papers, all she did was leave the ring. :P
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Post by: Protoman Blues on August 10, 2010, 06:48:33 AM
That's a valid point.  Hopefully they get the hell back together.  I like them as a married couple.
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Post by: Pyro on August 10, 2010, 06:51:54 AM
It's one of the enduring romances in the DCU. It would be a real shame to simply drop it, again.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 10, 2010, 01:13:00 PM
It will be picked up again. They just needed to give Ollie a Robin Hood kind of way this time. As soon as he and his Merry Men step out of the forest, they'll be reinstating his marriage into the story.

BTW, anyone got any theories to how Batman's gonna get out of being surrounded by Dollotrons and how Joker's gonna survive Damian's beating? =P

And can anyone make the connection as easily as I can to how Batman's gonna be the new Orion?
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Post by: Gotham Ranger on August 10, 2010, 02:54:56 PM
And can anyone make the connection as easily as I can to how Batman's gonna be the new Orion?
Didn't DiDio want Batman to become a god or whatnot?
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 10, 2010, 03:04:31 PM
Didn't DiDio want Batman to become a god or whatnot?
No, that's Morrison.
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Post by: Gotham Ranger on August 10, 2010, 05:20:28 PM
No, that's Morrison.
These days, I assume everything that doesn't make sense or is bad or I don't like in comics is either Quesada or DiDio's fault.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on August 10, 2010, 07:18:06 PM
It will be picked up again. They just needed to give Ollie a Robin Hood kind of way this time. As soon as he and his Merry Men step out of the forest, they'll be reinstating his marriage into the story.

Well, J'onn does have to burn it down! XD

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BTW, anyone got any theories to how Batman's gonna get out of being surrounded by Dollotrons and how Joker's gonna survive Damian's beating? =P

Dollotron repellent Bat-Spray? Or Bruce shows up, perhaps.

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And can anyone make the connection as easily as I can to how Batman's gonna be the new Orion?

It would be rather New God-ish, and Morrison loves him some New Gods.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 10, 2010, 07:28:12 PM
These days, I assume everything that doesn't make sense or is bad or I don't like in comics is either Quesada or DiDio's fault.
It's not exactly that. See, I'm a Morrison fanboy. But I used to hate the guy, because I just heard about his concepts. Heck, I used to hate DC, but I didn't really give any of its stuff a chance, simply because I found the concepts ridiculous.

Grant Morrison has Batman be thrown through time, and travel back through the ages while uncovering mysteries about his bloodline and interacting with DC historical figures and time travellers. That was just after a dark God suddenly became a mega-consciousness in Earth, Superman reset the universe and then saved it from a reality-eating vampire.

That sounds really lame just saying it. It does. But read it, and it's absolutely AWESOME.

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs108.ash2/38717_1276652571159_1675347009_556792_7184751_n.jpg)

And the Bat-God thing, was referring to both Batman being someone who can basically survive anything (so Morrison skipped the usual brooding street-level crap and posed him with a REAL challenge), and aparently, there are a ton of references to Batman being Orion.

You see those antlers where Batman left his cowl on the cave? Look at the symbol they form. Look at how Orion's constantly referenced in the comic.

Batman's gonna be the new Orion, at least in a way.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on August 10, 2010, 10:25:34 PM
Funny, cause I've always loved Morrison, at least his DC work. I never read his X-Men comics.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 10, 2010, 11:44:41 PM
Funny, cause I've always loved Morrison, at least his DC work. I never read his X-Men comics.
Read them awhile ago. They're as Morrison-like as they can be.

Do read them. You won't even feel like you're reading Marvel. Plus, Frank Quitely art. And awesome multidimensionally colorful storylines like Morrison does best.

...just don't look up who Xorn is or you'll be spoiled. Comics-wise, it's pretty much as known as the "Aerith dies"  spoiler or the "Atlas is Fontaine" one.

Up until now, I think I've only disliked one Morrison comic. "How I Killed My Boyfriend". It's kinda bullshit, but I guess it's alright in an indie sort of way. The rest of his stuff, like Doom Patrol, Animal Man, The Filth, The Invisibles, We3 ande everything else is amazingly awesome.


...also...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/1281478430661.jpg)

...what?

...MAKE UP YOUR MIND QUESADA
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Post by: Protoman Blues on August 11, 2010, 04:47:41 AM
Read them awhile ago. They're as Morrison-like as they can be.

Do read them. You won't even feel like you're reading Marvel. Plus, Frank Quitely art. And awesome multidimensionally colorful storylines like Morrison does best.

...just don't look up who Xorn is or you'll be spoiled. Comics-wise, it's pretty much as known as the "Aerith dies"  spoiler or the "Atlas is Fontaine" one.

Heh, I already know, so no worries there.
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Post by: Pyro on August 11, 2010, 05:52:15 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/1281478430661.jpg)

...what?

...MAKE UP YOUR MIND QUESADA

So Pete and MJ are married again? I'm confused.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on August 11, 2010, 06:13:46 AM
The best thing about this is that from what I've read, all it explains is the marriage. It doesn't explain why Harry is back, what happen to Peter's "Other" Spider-powers, etc.
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Post by: Quickman on August 11, 2010, 08:25:49 AM
Spider-man has gotten me so confused in recent years that I just don't care anymore.

And speaking of Frank Quitely, while I like his art, his people always look like they have pursed lips.  Half-lidded eyes, pursed lips, like they're either smug as hell and needing a slap across the face, or they see something that disgusts them.  He seemed to favour that pose and composition for a while, from what I remember.  I haven't seen his recent stuff, though.  He may have ditched that.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 11, 2010, 09:25:10 AM
And speaking of Frank Quitely, while I like his art, his people always look like they have pursed lips.  Half-lidded eyes, pursed lips, like they're either smug as hell and needing a slap across the face, or they see something that disgusts them.  He seemed to favour that pose and composition for a while, from what I remember.  I haven't seen his recent stuff, though.  He may have ditched that.
He hasn't. But I still loooooooove him. 8D

The best thing about this is that from what I've read, all it explains is the marriage. It doesn't explain why Harry is back, what happen to Peter's "Other" Spider-powers, etc.
For a man who mutilated half a comic book instead of making his own and then added crap like "bad guy falling takes out Spidey" or "bird frees villain", I'm surprised you're surprised on such a quality story. =P
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Post by: Protoman Blues on August 11, 2010, 10:18:52 AM
For a man who mutilated half a comic book instead of making his own and then added crap like "bad guy falling takes out Spidey" or "bird frees villain", I'm surprised you're surprised on such a quality story. =P

LoL, who said I was surprised. I expect nothing from this man anymore. XD
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Post by: Rin on August 11, 2010, 05:25:01 PM
Hey, guys.
I'm soon going to go and read all of this [parasitic bomb] called Scott Pilgrim. I've never read it, and I just know that's it's about a guy who has to batte all of a certain's girl's ex'es in order to get some pussy from her.
And blatantly obvious vidya gaems references.
Beside that, what am in for?
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 11, 2010, 05:41:22 PM
Wherever you go on the internet, you'll hear one of two things:

1- HIPSTER BULLSHIT BURN ALL OF IT DOWN
2- OH GOD I LOVE IT IT'S THE REBIRTH OF COMIC BOOKS

Truth is, Scott Pilgrim's a funny little comic. I, myself, didn't enjoy it IMMENSELY as at first everyone did. It's a love story with No More Heroes-styled ranking battles. Gaming references are the blatantly obvious kinds (the kind that's like "pass me the mushrooms" "OH IS THAT LIKE IN MARIO?" Seriously, it's that bad), and the story is pretty enjoyable. I love certain characters, think many can be very cool, and rest assured that both the movie and the game are AWESOME (far better than the comic even). My main problem with it, is that both the main characters are immensely unlikeable. Scott and Ramona are supposed to be rooted for, but you end up loving the rest of the cast (who actually does something other than whine about their lives and act cool) that you'll end up having a bit of hatred for those two. But Scott eventually turns into that friend of yours who's an [dark hold], the story turns into something you've invested in and you deserve to know more, and you know what? It's one of those things which, if not for a ton of blatant [tornado fang]ing publicity and "BEST THING EVER" shoved in our faces, it would have been that one cool little comic we would have found out and thought: "Wow, this is pretty cool and fun". But as it stands?

Well, Scott Pilgrim is something that would have worked better as a webcomic. It's a comic about a guy that almost seems autobiographical and "coolified" in order to give it some kinda pizazz. I didn't like the first volume, then warmed up to it, then pretty much ended up liking, but not loving it. I do expect to love the movie, and currently am totally addicted to the game, mostly because those two are made by reputable and excellent directors/developers.

My advice? Download and read all of it. It's of webcomic standards, but it's pretty good, I guess. Not for everyone. I kinda like it.
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Post by: Rin on August 11, 2010, 06:01:25 PM
Okay.
I get it...
So I've started reading it... and I already learned that Scott is 23 and he's dating a 17 year old chinese girl.
wat

and that his band is sexy bob-ombs

and that, indeed, the supporting cast is more interesting.

Just by barely reading few pages.

Wow.
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Post by: Waifu on August 12, 2010, 04:39:43 AM
So is scott pilgrim like a highlander plot?
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Post by: Quickman on August 13, 2010, 05:53:39 AM
From what I gather, it's more of nerd fantasy.  I've been tempted to give it a look for a while, but never got around to it.  If one took a gander at my bookshelf, they can see that my interests clearly lay elsewhere.  My manga section is very small, while my graphic novel section is dominated by DC and Star Wars. 
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Post by: SUIKA on August 15, 2010, 03:11:08 AM
I'll end up reading it now that I've seen and loved the movie. (It's now my favorite movie of all time and I'll glady see it another bazillion times. I'm sorry).

Sorta' made me upset though that whatever medium involves that many video game references and general background (which things are doing more and more these days) that everyones' just gonna' be like 'Oh well they're just copying Scott Pilgrim'.

Other than that I read Maus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maus) a while back. It's the only comic book / graphic novel / whatever to make me teary. I also think about how much our world has changed since then.

It's pretty difficult to read. It just goes on and on and on. Though I guess that's the point and it just heightens the content.
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Post by: Fxeni on August 15, 2010, 07:55:17 AM
I liked Scott Pilgrim to a certain degree, although I do agree that the supporting cast is far stronger for pretty much the whole series. I have yet to see the movie, but I'll be looking into it. The game looks interesting too, despite its dev.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on August 15, 2010, 08:18:27 AM
The movie was very enjoyable, I thought.
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Post by: Gotham Ranger on August 19, 2010, 03:46:05 PM
Just got into reading my first WildStorm series, Planetary by Warren Ellis. I'm digging it. It's like X-Files on steroids (and I [tornado fang]ing loved X-Files).
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Post by: Pyro on August 19, 2010, 07:03:12 PM
Just got into reading my first WildStorm series, Planetary by Warren Ellis. I'm digging it. It's like X-Files on steroids (and I [tornado fang]ing loved X-Files).

I heard good things about it, are there any trades?

In other news, what are everyone's impressions on Brightest Day? I'm currently finding the Deadman, Firestorm, and Martian Manhunter portions but not so much the Hawks or Aquaman's. The former is a shame because I always liked Hawkman.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on August 20, 2010, 05:29:19 AM
So far I am liking it very much!
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Post by: Quickman on August 20, 2010, 08:26:59 AM
Me too.  I haven't been going as tie-in crazy as I'm short on cash, but what I get, I like.
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Post by: Gotham Ranger on August 20, 2010, 08:47:08 AM
I heard good things about it, are there any trades?
There's a 4 volume collection and a 2 volume collection. Also a collection of all 3 one shot crossovers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_%28comics%29#Collected_editions

Take your pick.

I'm loving it. I'm up to #18 and I'm loving the analogues of the different superheroes. Whether it be The Four or a quick flash of Cap's shield.
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Post by: Mirby on August 20, 2010, 09:17:24 AM
So I read issue 2 of that Darkwing Duck series. It's gonna be awesome!! ^.^
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Post by: Bloodedge on August 20, 2010, 09:19:59 AM
Read Super Sonic vs. Hyper Knuckles and the Sonic 3D Blast adaption earlier today. Just as awesome as they were all those years ago.
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Post by: Rin on August 20, 2010, 06:26:38 PM
Read Super Sonic vs. Hyper Knuckles and the Sonic 3D Blast adaption earlier today. Just as awesome as they were all those years ago.
Are they from Archie?
Because I think I rad them once upon a time. It was painful.
The only thing I enjoyed from Archie, was the Knuckles series.
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Post by: Bloodedge on August 20, 2010, 06:59:54 PM
Are they from Archie?
Because I think I rad them once upon a time. It was painful.
The only thing I enjoyed from Archie, was the Knuckles series.
Yup, the original Sonic CB series was with Archie. -has every Sonic and Knuckles comic book ever made- :cookie:
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 22, 2010, 10:45:58 PM
To all old-school Archie Sonic fans, if you start reading the titles from 200th onwards, you'll find that the story, art and overall plot and design has SIGNIFICANTLY improved, and it's a great entry for any kind of new fans. They've successfully turned the Sonic comic GOOD.

Man, I wasn't here this week for the comic releases. What did I miss from DC?
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Post by: Rin on August 23, 2010, 04:10:55 PM
To all old-school Archie Sonic fans, if you start reading the titles from 200th onwards, you'll find that the story, art and overall plot and design has SIGNIFICANTLY improved, and it's a great entry for any kind of new fans. They've successfully turned the Sonic comic GOOD.

Duuuude... that's like, what I said when I made that one thread about Sonic The Hedgehog comic once.
Good to know I'm not alone here.

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Post by: Gotham Ranger on August 23, 2010, 06:38:28 PM
So, I'm finding myself unsure of where to jump back into DC. Their [parasitic bomb] is too convoluted at times.

I'm figuring read Blackest Night then get into Brightest Day. For Batman, maybe start at.. Battle for the Cowl or just jump into the new Batman & Robin? Also, what about Gotham City Sirens?
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 23, 2010, 08:51:58 PM
So, I'm finding myself unsure of where to jump back into DC. Their [parasitic bomb] is too convoluted at times.

I'm figuring read Blackest Night then get into Brightest Day. For Batman, maybe start at.. Battle for the Cowl or just jump into the new Batman & Robin? Also, what about Gotham City Sirens?
NONONONONONONONONO.

DC continuity as of the present, must be followed through in one of two ways:

1- The Geoff Johns story, which is what's being done for Green Lantern, Flash and other DC heroes, and it follows the general DC Universe, concerning Blackest Night and Brightest Day
2- The Grant Morrison story, which takes place in the Bat-books, starting with Batman & Son, going through Final Crisis, his "death" and return, and will end with the Batman Inc series that starts this year.

They're both good stories (there's also stuff like the Superman family New Krypton storyline, and the Booster Gold/JLI stuff if you want to get into more detail) and they're pretty much THE continuity in DC at the moment, and what you need to read if you want to follow DC right now.

Lemme give you pointers on how to follow them:


Geoff Johns continuity (Blackest Night, Brightest Day...)

- Green Lantern: Rebirth
- Green Lantern Corps: Recharge
- Regular current issues of Green Lantern (V4) and Green Lantern Corps, which will take you through the Sinestro Corps War storyline, and the Prelude to Blackest Night)
- Blackest Night (along with GL and GLC tie-ins which are 100% necessary)
- Brightest Day (along with tie-ins if necessary, no idea so far which are more important, but GL will most certainly be)

The Geoff Johns storyline and continuity forms a great story, epic and anime-like in scope at times, with shiny colorful powers, a great cast of characters, and a very likeable plot. Fun for everyone.
----

The Grant Morrison Continuity:

- Batman & Son
- Batman: The Resurrection of Ra's Al Ghul
- Batman: The Black Glove
- Batman: RIP
- Batman: Last Rites (generally included in RIP but part of Final Crisis)
- Final Crisis (just important for Batman's death but seriously, WORTH A READ. Best damn comic in awhile)
- Battle for the Cowl (not written by Morrison and not that good, but whatever, it's in-canon)
- Batman: Reborn (Issues 687-699 written by Tony Daniel. Not really that important, but fun in their own right)
- Batman & Robin (the continuity of all the previous titles was contained in the Batman book. This expands into its own comic. Currently ongoing)
- Batman #700 (not really completely in canon yet but awesome in its own right and seriously insane)
- The Return of Bruce Wayne (again, it's his own 6-issue miniseries)
- Batman: RIP The Missing Chapter (chronicles what happened between RIP and Final Crisis, the last moments of Batman's Life. Batman #701/702)
- The Return (separate series portraying Bruce's actual return and how it influences each of the characters around him
- Batman Inc

The Grant Morrison plot is absolutely brilliant, and pretty much the best Batman has EVER been in its entire existance. But it's not for everyone. The plot pays tribute to alot of old elements, it escapes from the broody and dark streetstyle to portray Batman as the amazing mind he truly is, and readers play detective as they read it and uncover tons of elements about Bruce's past, and the entire Batman mythos in an amazing way.


I can give you clear details of how to follow each and every single one of the plots. And download links by PM if you need.


tl,dr: Don't just follow storylines haphazardly. There's a beautiful, rich storyline behind it all, and it's amazing once you know all of the elements. And doesn't take that long to go through it, really.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on August 24, 2010, 05:15:36 AM
Pretty much what he said! XD
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Post by: Mirby on August 24, 2010, 05:25:06 AM
Just read issue 3 of the Darkwing Duck series. They've set it up nicely, giving a nice epilogue to the series to link it to this, explaining what happened to make everything how it is in St. Canard. I'm loving this series! ^.^

Highly recommended to all of you!
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 24, 2010, 10:58:00 AM
Pretty much what he said! XD
It frightens me how I'm such a nerd and would type it all hundreds of times for anyone even loosely interested in either story. >_>;;;

Just read issue 3 of the Darkwing Duck series. They've set it up nicely, giving a nice epilogue to the series to link it to this, explaining what happened to make everything how it is in St. Canard. I'm loving this series! ^.^

Highly recommended to all of you!
This has come as the biggest surprise of all. The best example I have ever, ever, EVER seen of any comic in the world... Of how to return to something great in STYLE. The art is absolutely beautiful and the whole thing just reads so satisfyingly and in-tune with the old show...
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Post by: Mirby on August 24, 2010, 11:05:14 AM
I like the incidents that DW and Launchpad refer to. LP's is definitely in style with his old character (same with that job he tried getting...)

I CAN FLY THIS!

No... no you can't...

I laughed so hard at that.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 24, 2010, 01:54:17 PM
I guess I tried to avoid it, but there is just no escaping it.

The latest issue of One Moment In Time makes me cringe in a bad way. So Mephisto made sure that one lone guy took revenge on Spider-Man and took advantage of all of those years in order to make ends meet as opposed to if that one guy had been jailed in the first place? And again, Quesada makes sure to RUB IT ALL ON OUR FACES that Spider-Man cannot possibly be close to anyone without them being horrible hurt in several ways by constantly reminding us of that fact in actual dialogue. It is as if Quesada made every single character in the comic an avatar of himself, and is trying to beat us over the head with the same old facts.

...not just that, he just made Mary Jane run around at night with a trained killer chasing her for at least half an hour without getting minimally injured, and portraying the whole thing as a joke.
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Post by: Gotham Ranger on August 24, 2010, 05:58:36 PM
tl,dr: Don't just follow storylines haphazardly. There's a beautiful, rich storyline behind it all, and it's amazing once you know all of the elements. And doesn't take that long to go through it, really.
I understand this quite well. Truth be told, I wish I could've been following routinely for years, but being poor and not having the resources has unfortunately left me quite out of touch with my only ties being what ever shows up at the library from time to time. And as I said, with comics these days, accessibility for someone not knowing where to start is very haphazard.

You didn't say anything about Gotham City Sirens, though :P
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 24, 2010, 06:22:27 PM
I understand this quite well. Truth be told, I wish I could've been following routinely for years, but being poor and not having the resources has unfortunately left me quite out of touch with my only ties being what ever shows up at the library from time to time. And as I said, with comics these days, accessibility for someone not knowing where to start is very haphazard.

You didn't say anything about Gotham City Sirens, though :P
Get what you can, download everything else. I-ve been following quite alot of comics, and I do plan on getting all of them when they come out in trade paperbacks, but I take no guilt on reading them first online. I'll send you a PM with a helpful directory of downloadable files of pretty much all required reading in fast download.

...and Sirens is Paul Dini doing cheesecake. What more do you need to know?
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Post by: Protoman Blues on August 24, 2010, 07:49:17 PM
Comics are pretty much written for trade paperback form nowadays, so I don't blame people at all for downloading the individuals issues, then buying them when they finally come out in that form.

Man though, I can't wait for tomorrow. I hate missing a week of comics (even though I don't think anything important came out for me last week), and plus tomorrow Superman: Secret Origins FINALLY finishes up!
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 24, 2010, 11:31:01 PM
Comics are pretty much written for trade paperback form nowadays, so I don't blame people at all for downloading the individuals issues, then buying them when they finally come out in that form.

Man though, I can't wait for tomorrow. I hate missing a week of comics (even though I don't think anything important came out for me last week), and plus tomorrow Superman: Secret Origins FINALLY finishes up!
Most comics are, of course. But I certainly can't imagine reading stuff like All-Star Superman or Batman and Robin all at once the first time around. It'd ruin the mood.

And although I'm heavily anteciparing Secret Origins, I still hate it for the fact that it is being made such a short time after Birthright was the PERFECT Superman origin, and the best ever told.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on August 24, 2010, 11:37:49 PM
Most comics are, of course. But I certainly can't imagine reading stuff like All-Star Superman or Batman and Robin all at once the first time around. It'd ruin the mood.

And although I'm heavily anteciparing Secret Origins, I still hate it for the fact that it is being made such a short time after Birthright was the PERFECT Superman origin, and the best ever told.

.....LoL, but All Star Batman & Robin hasn't even finished yet!   8D

And very true about Birthright, but I'll be honest, I really [tornado fang]ing love Secret Origins thus far. He combined pretty much every aspect of Supes' origin over the years, even stuff from Smallville I think!
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 24, 2010, 11:40:56 PM
.....LoL, but All Star Batman & Robin hasn't even finished yet!   8D

And very true about Birthright, but I'll be honest, I really [tornado fang]ing love Secret Origins thus far. He combined pretty much every aspect of Supes' origin over the years, even stuff from Smallville I think!
All-Star Batman and Robin, the Miller monstrocity, has finished, actually. =P Batman and Robin hasn't, but it's been collected in a hardcover already, the first volume. I dunno if I should get it. I LOVE that damn book, but in hardcover?
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Post by: Protoman Blues on August 24, 2010, 11:44:30 PM
All-Star Batman and Robin, the Miller monstrocity, has finished, actually. =P Batman and Robin hasn't, but it's been collected in a hardcover already, the first volume. I dunno if I should get it. I LOVE that damn book, but in hardcover?

It has? When? LoL, I never recalled seeing the final [tornado fang]ing issue.  Well, something else to pick up tomorrow.

I have all the issues, so I don't need Batman & Robin in hardcover. Now, Green Lantern: Rebirth & All Star Superman? Those WILL be bought in Absolute form!  8D
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 24, 2010, 11:48:35 PM
It has? When? LoL, I never recalled seeing the final [tornado fang]ing issue.  Well, something else to pick up tomorrow.

I have all the issues, so I don't need Batman & Robin in hardcover. Now, Green Lantern: Rebirth & All Star Superman? Those WILL be bought in Absolute form!  8D
For awhile now. I never even read it, I just remember someone telling me that it finished. No way am I going near that thing. I prefer to remember Miller SANE.

And I think I will most likely get Batman and Robin in hardcover. It's become one of my favorite comic books lately. And have you heard what Cameron Stewart said on Twitter?

"Those who thought my run on Batman and Robin was too cartoony will spit blood when they see what I've done with issue 16"

I am going to LOVE THIS. Fanboy drama and the cartoony style I love? Heck, I'm hoping for a cameo of Seaguy and Chubby da Choona. XD
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 24, 2010, 11:52:00 PM
I'm gonna have to check it out. I bought it because it's so [tornado fang]ing absurd. Haha, and I don't know if I'd ever define Miller as "sane." Just better.

Has anyone else been reading Zatanna?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Gotham Ranger on August 25, 2010, 05:12:49 AM
Get what you can, download everything else. I-ve been following quite alot of comics, and I do plan on getting all of them when they come out in trade paperbacks, but I take no guilt on reading them first online. I'll send you a PM with a helpful directory of downloadable files of pretty much all required reading in fast download.

...and Sirens is Paul Dini doing cheesecake. What more do you need to know?
Awesome, alright.

So, that's the DC list. What about on the Marvel side of things? I know I'm not [tornado fang]ing with Spider-Man with what Quesada is doing to it. Shame, he's my favorite Marvel character. On the other hand, though, I can pick up where I left off on Ultimate Spider-Man, so that'll help.

The only other thing I know I want to follow is X-Men.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on August 25, 2010, 06:41:24 AM
Avengers Academy, Avengers: The Children's Crusade, and Invincible Iron Man are the Marvel titles I'm currently reading. Oh, and did anyone catch the Metool cameo in Avengers Academy #3?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 25, 2010, 10:29:38 AM
DISREGARD MARVEL

READ MARVEL COSMIC

You know how when DC's good, it's really good? Marvel Cosmic is like DC being always good, only Marvel. In space. Just start with the Annihilation arc from the beginning and go from there. It's probably one of the greatest comic book events I have ever read, and it's at least the most epic. It's about a bunch of guys protecting the universe from its biggest threat of all time while the Earth just had unnecessary Civil War squabbles about nothing (and continues to have unnecessary soap operas about primadonna superheroes while everything going on in Marvel Cosmic just gets MORE awesome by the minute.

Anything Greg Pak writes is good too. He was the one who wrote the concluding issue to the Hulks war, and made a GOOD ENDING to the entire Loeb mess, so we're talking about a classy writer. Just start reading the Incredible Hercules storylines, and go through the 4-issue Amadeus Cho: Prince of Power mini, which concludes today.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Gotham Ranger on August 25, 2010, 11:14:16 AM
DISREGARD MARVEL

READ MARVEL COSMIC

You know how when DC's good, it's really good? Marvel Cosmic is like DC being always good, only Marvel. In space. Just start with the Annihilation arc from the beginning and go from there. It's probably one of the greatest comic book events I have ever read, and it's at least the most epic. It's about a bunch of guys protecting the universe from its biggest threat of all time while the Earth just had unnecessary Civil War squabbles about nothing (and continues to have unnecessary soap operas about primadonna superheroes while everything going on in Marvel Cosmic just gets MORE awesome by the minute.

Anything Greg Pak writes is good too. He was the one who wrote the concluding issue to the Hulks war, and made a GOOD ENDING to the entire Loeb mess, so we're talking about a classy writer. Just start reading the Incredible Hercules storylines, and go through the 4-issue Amadeus Cho: Prince of Power mini, which concludes today.
Marvel Cosmic is the Cancerverse stuff and the Galactus Engine, right?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 25, 2010, 12:57:36 PM
Marvel Cosmic is the Cancerverse stuff and the Galactus Engine, right?
Current arc, yes. But I seriously advise you to read from Annihilation. It's pretty much the starter arc for everything Marvel Cosmic, and where it all began.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Gotham Ranger on August 25, 2010, 10:06:17 PM
Sounds awesome enough.

So you mentioned you could PM me what I needed for the DC stuff? I'd appreciate it if you went ahead and did so (though, if it's a torrent, I'm just gonna have to find another way. Old ass PC, ya see)
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 26, 2010, 12:11:44 AM
Done.


...



HOOOOOOOOOLY SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

OH MY GOD THIS IS GLORIOUS. PURE UNADULTERATED GLORY

Batman 702 is one of those issues that represents my very favorite moment in each Morrison plot. The moment where everything comes to light, all events we knew by decoding each of the small things along the storyline. But seeing it actually play out and come to fruition is glorious.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on August 26, 2010, 01:32:08 AM
Huh? What happened? I'm not much of a Batman reader.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 26, 2010, 01:40:08 AM
Darkseid fell through existance. Made a hole in the universe. Batman made it so he and him had a situation where neither had any kind of preptime. Then he faced a God. In the end, humanity stood face to face with evil itself. And when things looked the bleakest, they looked the darkness in the eye, and said:

"Gotcha."

...now Batman is hurtling through time, remembering only what he is. And setting forth all the events and coincidences that grant the Batman legacy to be true, becoming the true symbol of good versus evil.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 26, 2010, 05:28:30 AM
Yeah, I read Batman #702 today, and it really just confirmed what I've always believed, in that there is nothing that Grant Morrison excels at more than writing anything related to New Gods stuff.  It fits his warped genius mind so absolutely perfectly, and Batman #702 proved that wholeheartedly.  It was absolutely brilliant.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on August 26, 2010, 05:40:55 AM
Darkseid fell through existance. Made a hole in the universe. Batman made it so he and him had a situation where neither had any kind of preptime. Then he faced a God. In the end, humanity stood face to face with evil itself. And when things looked the bleakest, they looked the darkness in the eye, and said:

"Gotcha."

...now Batman is hurtling through time, remembering only what he is. And setting forth all the events and coincidences that grant the Batman legacy to be true, becoming the true symbol of good versus evil.

That is freakin' awesome!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 26, 2010, 06:58:18 AM
Also, Superman: Secret Origins finished. Easily one of the best Superman stories I've ever read.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on August 26, 2010, 09:45:44 AM
Darkseid fell through existance. Made a hole in the universe. Batman made it so he and him had a situation where neither had any kind of preptime. Then he faced a God. In the end, humanity stood face to face with evil itself. And when things looked the bleakest, they looked the darkness in the eye, and said:

"Gotcha."

...now Batman is hurtling through time, remembering only what he is. And setting forth all the events and coincidences that grant the Batman legacy to be true, becoming the true symbol of good versus evil.
(http://i36.tinypic.com/2hdv052.jpg)

Fuckfuckfuckfuck.
I gotta finally read all of this.
This sounds so awesome.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 26, 2010, 11:48:46 AM
(http://i36.tinypic.com/2hdv052.jpg)

Fuckfuckfuckfuck.
I gotta finally read all of this.
This sounds so awesome.
Whole thing's a retell of the RIP/Final Crisis/Return of Bruce Wayne period. But as Morrison isn't the kind of author to dwell on things, he made it so in the original works, what happens, can be subintended and resumed to a few panels for better storytelling. In this, the very moment where Bruce confronts Darkseid is repeated, and we take on the full dramatic effect of the battle of good versus evil. Everything that happens. And everything that will happen is finally fully foreshadowed, not just clues.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on August 26, 2010, 11:57:50 AM
Whole thing's a retell of the RIP/Final Crisis/Return of Bruce Wayne period. But as Morrison isn't the kind of author to dwell on things, he made it so in the original works, what happens, can be subintended and resumed to a few panels for better storytelling. In this, the very moment where Bruce confronts Darkseid is repeated, and we take on the full dramatic effect of the battle of good versus evil. Everything that happens. And everything that will happen is finally fully foreshadowed, not just clues.
Okay. That's it.
Can you send me some links to [OBTAIN] everything I need to read?
If you can't then I guess I would have to scourge through /rs/ or something, but I hate doing that.
Thanks.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 26, 2010, 03:00:14 PM
Okay. That's it.
Can you send me some links to [OBTAIN] everything I need to read?
If you can't then I guess I would have to scourge through /rs/ or something, but I hate doing that.
Thanks.
Done.


By the way, guess what day it is today.

(http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/13750storystory_full-2747131..jpg)

Let's weep for our horrible fates once more.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 26, 2010, 05:12:10 PM
(http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/13750storystory_full-2747131..jpg)

Let's weep for our horrible fates once more.

Yeah, I read the OMiT #3 that I missed last week.

...it's amazing how it continues to get worse.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on August 26, 2010, 07:31:53 PM
Thanks, Superbat.
Goddamn... it will take me some time to read everything. 8U
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 26, 2010, 07:34:04 PM
Follow at your own pace, and tell me if you have any kind of question on the plot or on how to follow each arc.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Waifu on August 27, 2010, 02:55:59 AM
Speaking of Crisis, whatever happned to both Mandrakk and Darkseid did they die? Get sent into another dimension? How did Darkseid grow so powerful that he was able to merge universes and the Earths?

Is Batman even more of a fantasy archetype than Supes?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 27, 2010, 03:27:34 AM
Speaking of Crisis, whatever happned to both Mandrakk and Darkseid did they die? Get sent into another dimension? How did Darkseid grow so powerful that he was able to merge universes and the Earths?

Is Batman even more of a fantasy archetype than Supes?
Mandrakk is defeated. Darkseid is both in Bats', and Hurt. At least implied to be. Hurt is at least the personification of the devil, and of evil itself.

And another thing...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/BatmanAndRobin12022.jpg)

Notice anything funny with how they found the cowl?

How about now:

(http://www.collectedcomicslibrary.com/dc_comics_special_editions/images/new_gods_omnibus_volume_1.jpg)
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Gotham Ranger on August 27, 2010, 02:01:26 PM
- The Return of Bruce Wayne (again, it's his own 6-issue miniseries)
- The Return (separate series portraying Bruce's actual return and how it influences each of the characters around him
I'm assuming these are two seperate books? If so, I'm not finding the second.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 27, 2010, 03:50:52 PM
I'm assuming these are two seperate books? If so, I'm not finding the second.
The Return hasn't come out yet. The Return of Bruce Wayne is on its 4th issue, currently. Just be patient.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Waifu on August 27, 2010, 03:55:30 PM
Mandrakk is defeated. Darkseid is both in Bats', and Hurt. At least implied to be. Hurt is at least the personification of the devil, and of evil itself.

And another thing...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/BatmanAndRobin12022.jpg)

Notice anything funny with how they found the cowl?

How about now:

(http://www.collectedcomicslibrary.com/dc_comics_special_editions/images/new_gods_omnibus_volume_1.jpg)

Whoa. that looks amazing and I do remember that cowl. You can never forget the cowl.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Gotham Ranger on August 27, 2010, 04:22:02 PM
The Return hasn't come out yet. The Return of Bruce Wayne is on its 4th issue, currently. Just be patient.
Ah, okay. That's good for me, I have a [parasitic bomb] ton to catch up on as it is. Got everything Batman wise now and need to grab the GL stuff.

After that, gotta start grabbing some of the Marvel stuff.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 27, 2010, 04:32:20 PM
Marvel-wise, just get Cosmic. There's probably a torrent with the entire Annihilation arc around the place.

Ah, and Incredible Hercules is also an awesome comic to follow, if you can.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on August 27, 2010, 11:42:16 PM
http://nextwave.pl/opis/1620905/green-lantern-blackest-night-hc.html
Hey, should I buy the thing in the above link?
I'm considering either that, or Batman & Robin Vol.1.
I have not yet got to reading either of time, but I have some money to use and my comic collection could use more of them.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 28, 2010, 01:14:09 AM
http://nextwave.pl/opis/1620905/green-lantern-blackest-night-hc.html
Hey, should I buy the thing in the above link?
I'm considering either that, or Batman & Robin Vol.1.
I have not yet got to reading either of time, but I have some money to use and my comic collection could use more of them.
No.

Blackest Night is a complicated event to read. Specially because it goes like this:

- Green Lantern #43
- Blackest Night #0
- Blackest Night #1
- Green Lantern #44
- Green Lantern Corps #39
- Blackest Night #2
- Green Lantern #45
- Green Lantern Corps #40
- Blackest Night #3
- Green Lantern #46
and so on and so forth through the rest of the event. You're only reading a third of the event with the GL hardcover. Get it along with the Blackest Night hardcover, at least, and leave the GLC one for last, because although it's quite essencial, it's not THAT essencial and some details can be left out.

If you want to get just a single book, get the Batman & Robin HC or the Final Crisis HC (it's a worthy book to have in hardcover)

Get the Batman run from the start with Batman & Son, Resurrection of Ra's Al Ghul, The Black Glove and RIP if you like maximum order.

If you want the GL run from the start, get Green Lantern: Rebirth, Green Lantern: No Fear and Green Lantern: Revenge of the Green Lanterns. Just as the regular order.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 28, 2010, 07:11:33 AM
[tornado fang] YEAH. They're making a Knight & Squire comic!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 28, 2010, 10:13:46 AM
Uh, a bit old news, but yes. =P Known for about a month or so.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on August 28, 2010, 11:43:11 AM
No.

Blackest Night is a complicated event to read. Specially because it goes like this:

- Green Lantern #43
- Blackest Night #0
- Blackest Night #1
- Green Lantern #44
- Green Lantern Corps #39
- Blackest Night #2
- Green Lantern #45
- Green Lantern Corps #40
- Blackest Night #3
- Green Lantern #46
and so on and so forth through the rest of the event. You're only reading a third of the event with the GL hardcover. Get it along with the Blackest Night hardcover, at least, and leave the GLC one for last, because although it's quite essencial, it's not THAT essencial and some details can be left out.

If you want to get just a single book, get the Batman & Robin HC or the Final Crisis HC (it's a worthy book to have in hardcover)

Get the Batman run from the start with Batman & Son, Resurrection of Ra's Al Ghul, The Black Glove and RIP if you like maximum order.

If you want the GL run from the start, get Green Lantern: Rebirth, Green Lantern: No Fear and Green Lantern: Revenge of the Green Lanterns. Just as the regular order.
Okay, thanks.
I decided in the end, to save up some money, and I'll probably buy Batman & Robin HC, and Casshern Sins Part 1(ANIMU DVD) from a certain other shop.
Tough it will take month or two.
Cause I'm not so rich.
Thanks again for the tip.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 28, 2010, 01:45:01 PM
Also, if you're going to buy only one single book from Marvel, make it this one:

(http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/Nextwave%2011.jpg)

12 issues. Another awesome Warren Ellis comic.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on August 28, 2010, 02:30:19 PM
>Mark Millar Lick Goats
I lol'd.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 28, 2010, 02:53:32 PM
Uh, a bit old news, but yes. =P Known for about a month or so.

First I've heard of it! Still happy!  8)
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Waifu on August 28, 2010, 03:16:02 PM
What makes Civil War so awesome? And what comics by Grant morrison that I can get into to become familiar to his writing?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 28, 2010, 03:32:23 PM
What makes Civil War so awesome? And what comics by Grant morrison that I can get into to become familiar to his writing?

Actually, I thought Civil War sucked.

And I would say the best work to get into Morrison would be his run on JLA. Afterwards you can look back on some of his earlier work, but I'd say start with JLA: New World Order.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 28, 2010, 03:36:48 PM
For other people interested in Nextwave:

This is Dirk Anger.

(http://zodiacallight.net/images/dirk2.jpg)

He loves H.A.T.E. And H.A.T.E. loves him.


What makes Civil War so awesome? And what comics by Grant morrison that I can get into to become familiar to his writing?
Civil War isn't awesome. For someone starting to read comics, it's pretty awesome to read, but once you read something like Annihilation, which happened at the same time as Civil War, you gain a newfond hatred of everything in the Marvel Universe that happens on Earth, and think they're all a bunch of superpowered primadonnas who do nothing but squabble all day about [parasitic bomb] that doesn't really matter instead of coming together and saving existance.

Civil War is basically people going "gee, I think it's not really okay for people who just get superpowers randomly to go around playing vigilante legally, because someone might get hurt", Tony Stark going "Yes, you're right. So EVERYONE MUST NOW REVEAL THEIR SECRET IDENTITIES AND REGISTER AS A PART OF THE GOVERNMENT MILITARY. ALL THOSE WHO DO NOT COMPLY GET LOCKED IN A PRISON I BUILT IN THE NEGATIVE ZONE. YOU KNOW, THAT ALTERNATE UNIVERSE WHERE PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE IS EVIL? I'M PUTTING ALL THE EVIL AND NON-COMPLIANT GOOD GUYS THERE. IN A PRISON. THIS IS A TOTALLY GOOD IDEA."

And Captain America acts like a [sonic slicer] because registration would actually be a good thing, but he thinks that every single kid who is able to shoot fire from his hands should legally be able to run around in a costume breaking public property.
That's what Civil War is about. Heroes squabbling between each other instead of facing bad guys.


As for good Grant Morrison entry books, there are quite alot of good ones. But I think the most recomended is Grant's run on Animal Man. Animal Man #1-#26 is all written by Grant Morrison, and generally considered one of the best examples of meta-narrative in comics. It's awesome. And issue #26 will pretty much tell you what kind of person Morrison is, guaranteed. Don't let anyone spoil you what it is =P
(http://www.comics101.com/archives/comics101/images/2003/oct15/animalman5.jpg)

You can then try his run on the 90's JLA. He wrote a few amazing stories back then, from the start to issue #41. Although he has alot of awesome guest writers such as Mark Waid. Mark Millar, Devin Grayson, Mark Waid, and J.M. DeMatteis.
(http://quityourdayjob.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/jla-nwo.jpg)

But if you want something more light-hearted and at the same time with the ability to be darker while EXTREMELY awesome, there are a few more recent amazing series which are worth a read. One of my favorites, is Seaguy. A superhero who has a big talking fish as his best friend, and isn't taken seriously, in a quest to be a true hero. It's an amazing tale (MUST be read with the sequel series, Seaguy: Slaves of Mickey Eye or you'll get extremely depressed with the ending).
(http://www.comicswap.net/seaguy_trade_cover2.jpg)

All in all, of all the comics Morrison has ever written, I think I've only read a single bad one. The small one-shot "Kill Your Boyfriend", when he dabbled in indie. The rest? All AMAZING. All of his work.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Gotham Ranger on August 28, 2010, 03:41:57 PM
No.

Blackest Night is a complicated event to read. Specially because it goes like this:

- Green Lantern #43
- Blackest Night #0
- Blackest Night #1
- Green Lantern #44
- Green Lantern Corps #39
- Blackest Night #2
- Green Lantern #45
- Green Lantern Corps #40
- Blackest Night #3
- Green Lantern #46
and so on and so forth through the rest of the event. You're only reading a third of the event with the GL hardcover. Get it along with the Blackest Night hardcover, at least, and leave the GLC one for last, because although it's quite essencial, it's not THAT essencial and some details can be left out.

If you want to get just a single book, get the Batman & Robin HC or the Final Crisis HC (it's a worthy book to have in hardcover)

Get the Batman run from the start with Batman & Son, Resurrection of Ra's Al Ghul, The Black Glove and RIP if you like maximum order.

If you want the GL run from the start, get Green Lantern: Rebirth, Green Lantern: No Fear and Green Lantern: Revenge of the Green Lanterns. Just as the regular order.
...

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF. I was having a conversation with someone a few weeks ago and he was commenting on how hard it is for him to get into any comic books because he can never figure out where to get in. And now that I'm trying to get back in myself, I see where he's coming from :P

Also, if you're going to buy only one single book from Marvel, make it this one:

(http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/Nextwave%2011.jpg)

12 issues. Another awesome Warren Ellis comic.
Well, the art looks a bit like ass, but "Mark Millar Lick Goats" is enough for me to get interested! Then again, I just finished Planetary and the lack of cliched plots elements definitely made for an interesting read.

[spoiler]Seriously, the whole comic builds up to this epic confrontation between Elijah Snow and The Four, and instead Elijah fucks their days up without ever throwing a single punch. Though, I do wish I knew what the question Dawling never had an answer to was before Elijah went Authority on his ass[/spoiler]
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 28, 2010, 11:11:48 PM
...

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF. I was having a conversation with someone a few weeks ago and he was commenting on how hard it is for him to get into any comic books because he can never figure out where to get in. And now that I'm trying to get back in myself, I see where he's coming from :P
Well, the art looks a bit like ass, but "Mark Millar Lick Goats" is enough for me to get interested! Then again, I just finished Planetary and the lack of cliched plots elements definitely made for an interesting read.

[spoiler]Seriously, the whole comic builds up to this epic confrontation between Elijah Snow and The Four, and instead Elijah fucks their days up without ever throwing a single punch. Though, I do wish I knew what the question Dawling never had an answer to was before Elijah went Authority on his ass[/spoiler]
It's not that hard. Blackest Night is a CROSSOVER event. That's why you need to follow so many different comics, and it pretty much affected all of DC, with three issues coming out for every major superhero book dealing with the events of that night.

To follow Green Lantern? Just read Green Lantern: Rebirth for the event that brought him back (if you're interested on how he came back) and start reading the normal comic, normally. It's as simple as that. You'll only get a crossover event in Sinestro Corps War, and even then, it's with Green Lantern Corps only, and the whole thing is collected in two small paperbacks.


Oh, and here's another plug for Cosmic Marvel.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/cosmicshit.jpg)

Gods allying with each other to lay waste to enemies that want to destroy the galaxy in a single swoop with their dead-ness?

For Marvel Cosmic, it's tuesday.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on August 29, 2010, 05:09:37 AM
In regards to "One Moment in Time", I found this (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fanfic/BreakingTheDeal) while cruising TV Tropes. Magical Platypus, I would pay good money to see "Breaking the Deal" in four-color format.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 31, 2010, 02:52:38 AM
I've decided to post the reading order for the Grant Morrison Hypercrisis books. Most of the stuff takes place in the Bat-books, but there's quite alot of outer stuff.

Now, this isn't the required order to read. These are simply all of the Bat-books Morrison wrote over pretty much 20 years, and how they managed to all link together in some way to conclude in this big epic we're reading. These are all of the references he gives through the years, all the stuff that clicks together in an awesome way.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/BAT-READINGORDER.jpg)
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on August 31, 2010, 04:46:49 AM
Does DC One Million fit anywhere into this?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 31, 2010, 04:49:14 AM
I'm guessing you could count that among Morrison's JLA run.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 31, 2010, 05:17:24 AM
Yep, fits in there.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 31, 2010, 06:12:24 AM
DC One Million still boasts one of my favorite Kyle moments ever, in which he starts a supernova and contains it with his willpower!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on August 31, 2010, 06:22:43 AM
Leave it to Morrison to write something so epic, and to have a vision of the far, FAR future.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 31, 2010, 06:28:07 AM
Did anyone else in here read the Hourman comic based on the future Hourman from DC One Million? I loved that comic!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 31, 2010, 07:35:40 AM
I haven't read DC One Million in such a long time... really should re-read it.

And dammit, as simplistic as it is, I LOVE Solaris the Tyrant Sun.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 31, 2010, 07:56:53 AM
As do I. Solaris was a great villain.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Gotham Ranger on August 31, 2010, 11:30:52 AM
So, I'm slowly moving through both Green Lantern and Green Lantern Corps. I forgot how easy it is to just read and read these books. Especially when they tie into each, you don't wanna put them down.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 31, 2010, 01:43:24 PM
So, I'm slowly moving through both Green Lantern and Green Lantern Corps. I forgot how easy it is to just read and read these books. Especially when they tie into each, you don't wanna put them down.
They only start tying into each other in the Sinestro Corps War. But yeah, events are referenced in each other, Mongul goes through one another, and stuff.

Damn, I'm gonna hate this week. There's literaly nothing to read. Just Brightest Day #9.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Gotham Ranger on August 31, 2010, 02:06:14 PM
They only start tying into each other in the Sinestro Corps War. But yeah, events are referenced in each other, Mongul goes through one another, and stuff.
Yeah, I read Green Lantern for a few issues before hitting Recharge. Read a few more GL's till I got to the first GLC's month and then started alternating. That way, everything will be around the same come Sinestro Corps War then I'll try and read them with the Batman issues till I'm all caught up and ready for Final Crisis on all 3.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 31, 2010, 03:29:26 PM
Honestly, I'd tell you to just skip Final Crisis when you're on GL/GLC. Only thing you need to know for Blackest Night is that Batman's "dead", and the have a corpse. Keep following those two comics, then when you get to Final Crisis, just skip ahead to Blackest Night, so you can enjoy the Geoff Johns Trilogy (as he said, Rebirth-Sinestro Corps War-Blackest Night) as it's meant to be read.

Once you're all caught up on Brightest Day and all the latest stuff that's going on, start with Batman. Because Final Crisis is much more related to the Batman run than all of the other stuff, and you NEED to play very close attention to the run, or you'll miss alot of things.



...BTW, does anyone else think that what's currently happening on Booster Gold is kinda depressing? I mean, I love the current arc. DeMatteis basically decided that as DC at least doesn't allow him to bring Blue Beetle back just yet, he's making Booster go back in time to the JLI years in order get something there, and he basically meets up with Blue Beetle and ends up having a few lighthearted comedic adventures with him and other JLI regulars. It's awesome to have such a classic story like this, but doesn't this feel like "Oh man, we used to be so happy back then, remember?"? As great as Generation Lost is being, it's still a run where, aside from the usual jokes, they're being chased all over the world and looking for a madman on the loose. And Booster's growing alot as a character, but he still quite misses Ted.

I just hope DC does what's right and does for DeMatteis what they've done for Dini. Basically granting them their fanboy wishes and let them write what they want about the characters they want. I want Ted back, and I'd love it if the Booster Gold book was turned into something like "Blue and Gold", or something similar. They could have awesome time adventures with classic humor.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 31, 2010, 07:08:38 PM
So, I'm slowly moving through both Green Lantern and Green Lantern Corps. I forgot how easy it is to just read and read these books. Especially when they tie into each, you don't wanna put them down.

It's why cleaning up & organizing comics can take [tornado fang]ing forever. Cause you just start reading and reading them, and it's 5 hours later and you haven't done [parasitic bomb].

I just hope DC does what's right and does for DeMatteis what they've done for Dini. Basically granting them their fanboy wishes and let them write what they want about the characters they want. I want Ted back, and I'd love it if the Booster Gold book was turned into something like "Blue and Gold", or something similar. They could have awesome time adventures with classic humor.

It'd be nice, yeah.

Also, on a PB IS SUPER HAPPY NOTE...

Experience The Music of DC Comic: 75th Anniversary Collection (http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2010/08/31/experience-the-music-of-dc-comics-75th-anniversary-collection/)

This is soooooooooo [tornado fang]ing awesome. I love soundtracks & compilations like this, containing all the old, classic, awesome themes. This will be bought immediately!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 31, 2010, 07:21:57 PM
It's why cleaning up & organizing comics can take [tornado fang]ing forever. Cause you just start reading and reading them, and it's 5 hours later and you haven't done [parasitic bomb].

It'd be nice, yeah.

Also, on a PB IS SUPER HAPPY NOTE...

Experience The Music of DC Comic: 75th Anniversary Collection (http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2010/08/31/experience-the-music-of-dc-comics-75th-anniversary-collection/)

This is soooooooooo [tornado fang]ing awesome. I love soundtracks & compilations like this, containing all the old, classic, awesome themes. This will be bought immediately!
The First Flight theme alone makes it worth the buy.

and oh my god i had no idea this existed

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-2EeqD3rbs[/youtube]
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 31, 2010, 07:30:17 PM
Oh yeah. They have all the themes of the classic 60's TV shows. I think the most important one though is that of the Fleischer Superman cartoon.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 31, 2010, 07:37:53 PM
Oh yeah. They have all the themes of the classic 60's TV shows. I think the most important one though is that of the Fleischer Superman cartoon.
The Fleisher Superman cartoon is so amazingly awesome. And it holds up really well. I remember watching the shorts at night, as a kid.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 31, 2010, 07:51:21 PM
To be honest, it's better animated than the 60's cartoons. But yeah, they are amazing. My Dad & I watched them all the time, and I bought them as soon as they came out on DVD.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 31, 2010, 08:42:53 PM
Fleisher knew how to do stuff. This and Popeye are among the gems I remember from the old days.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on August 31, 2010, 08:46:52 PM
I still remember the Sinbad the Sailor song.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: David5109 on August 31, 2010, 09:08:30 PM
I used to get Sonic X comics from my best friend's old dad.  They were much better than the show imo.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on August 31, 2010, 10:10:41 PM
How are the Sonic X comics? I've never read them myself.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on September 01, 2010, 01:15:43 PM
How are the Sonic X comics? I've never read them myself.
They're [tornado fang]ing horrible, at least at the beginning.
The art is horrible, etc.

In other news, I've just finished reading Batman & Robin 13, since I found out I have all the current issues on my HDD.
I have only one thing to say:
wat
So...
[spoiler]El Penitente is Thomas Wayne? buhwha? Why is he alive? Is it really him? Or maybe it's just some whacko? I think I gotta read Return of Bruce, and stat.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 01, 2010, 02:59:23 PM
They're [tornado fang]ing horrible, at least at the beginning.
The art is horrible, etc.

In other news, I've just finished reading Batman & Robin 13, since I found out I have all the current issues on my HDD.
I have only one thing to say:
wat
So...
[spoiler]El Penitente is Thomas Wayne? buhwha? Why is he alive? Is it really him? Or maybe it's just some whacko? I think I gotta read Return of Bruce, and stat.[/spoiler]
Did you even read The Black Glove and RIP?

El Penitente is Hurt. Hurt was originally a military doctor who experimented with Batman and became fascinated with his mindset, thus implanting the whole Zur-Hn-Arrh. He now seeks to make the life of the Waynes a living hell by masquerading as one. It's still not clear whether he has any connection to them, but I don't think so, at least so far.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on September 01, 2010, 03:46:45 PM
Did you even read The Black Glove and RIP?
I'm sorry, but I didn't.
However now I'm going to.

Also, sorry for being stupid, and thanks for clearing this up for me.

This will teach me to not skip ahead of things. : P
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 01, 2010, 03:50:20 PM
Oh, you can't skip ahead on any of Morrison's work. LoL, his mind is too crazy.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 01, 2010, 09:43:43 PM
Again, the current Bat-arc MUST be read from the beginning, or you won't understand a thing. Batman & Son, The Resurrection of Ra's Al Ghul, The Black Glove and RIP. Only THEN you start with Batman & Robin and The Return of Bruce Wayne at the same time.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on September 02, 2010, 09:52:59 PM
Oh [tornado fang]... I've finished reading RIP.
Christ, that was GREAT. Intense and crazy [parasitic bomb].

Now more things kinda makes sense...

I will soon begin reading Final Rites.

[spoiler] [tornado fang]ing HURT![/spoiler]
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 02, 2010, 09:59:58 PM
Oh [tornado fang]... I've finished reading RIP.
Christ, that was GREAT. Intense and crazy [parasitic bomb].

Now more things kinda makes sense...

I will soon begin reading Final Rites.

[spoiler] [tornado fang]ing HURT![/spoiler]
Final Rites just fills in the gaps in Final Crisis. Better read it WITH Final Crisis.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on September 02, 2010, 10:15:35 PM
Okay then.
I'll do that.
Thanks.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 02, 2010, 10:24:15 PM
Don't forget to read Superman Beyons #1 and #2 in the middle of Final Crisis #3 and #4.

...and Final Rites (Batman #682 and #683) is between Final Crisis #5 and #6.




http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=28138

Sandman TV show? Holy [parasitic bomb].
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 03, 2010, 12:17:38 AM
Like I said on io9, that has the potential to be REALLY good or REALLY bad.  It might be something that benefits from being on Cable or HBO.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 03, 2010, 12:54:44 AM
They're calling the guy who makes Supernatural to make it.

I don't know the show that well, but my girlfriend's a hardcore fan and says he fits the bill.

...honestly? I think a spinoff show about Death would actually have been better suited for TV. A Sandman show will have to go into the realms of Twilight Zone or Nowhere Man in order to have that crazy weird bittersweet plot without tons of constant happiness and jokes to keep the regular american audience hooked.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 03, 2010, 01:46:10 AM
They're calling the guy who makes Supernatural to make it.

I don't know the show that well, but my girlfriend's a hardcore fan and says he fits the bill.

...honestly? I think a spinoff show about Death would actually have been better suited for TV. A Sandman show will have to go into the realms of Twilight Zone or Nowhere Man in order to have that crazy weird bittersweet plot without tons of constant happiness and jokes to keep the regular american audience hooked.

Yeah, he is. That gives me quite a bit of hope. You're girlfriend has excellent taste, and not just in men. Supernatural is, IMO, one of the most underrated shows on television. As I always like to say, it "shouldn't" be as good as it is, but the writing is simply excellent, the characters are just awesome, and the show is a lot of fun, with fantastic choices of music.  If you get the chance to watch it from the beginning, definitely do so. I recommend it.

Speaking of Death, I need to read that issue where Luthor meets her.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 03, 2010, 02:03:54 AM
Yeah, he is. That gives me quite a bit of hope. You're girlfriend has excellent taste, and not just in men. Supernatural is, IMO, one of the most underrated shows on television. As I always like to say, it "shouldn't" be as good as it is, but the writing is simply excellent, the characters are just awesome, and the show is a lot of fun, with fantastic choices of music.  If you get the chance to watch it from the beginning, definitely do so. I recommend it.

Speaking of Death, I need to read that issue where Luthor meets her.
I got so many shows to watch.... old shows, new shows, everyone keeps bothering me to watch this or that show and I go crazy. I barely got time left in the day with my own schedule. o_o
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 03, 2010, 02:04:45 AM
I got so many shows to watch.... old shows, new shows, everyone keeps bothering me to watch this or that show and I go crazy. I barely got time left in the day with my own schedule. o_o

Oh yeah, [tornado fang]ing watch Farscape too!  8D
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 03, 2010, 02:21:08 AM
Oh yeah, [tornado fang]ing watch Farscape too!  8D
FFFFFFFFF


Also, next week's comic releases are so gold I cannot stop going crazy.  :V
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 03, 2010, 02:23:53 AM
FFFFFFFFF


Also, next week's comic releases are so gold I cannot stop going crazy.  :V

I haven't checked that yet. Lemme just see here...

Ooooh yes, that's pretty good alright!  XD
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 03, 2010, 02:31:01 AM
- Batman
- Batman and Robin
- Booster Gold
- Green Lantern
- JLI
- Thanos Imperative

(dissolves in jizz)

This is gonna be so awesome.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 03, 2010, 02:34:33 AM
My comic shop needs to get the Annihilation hardcovers in stock or I'm gonna have to buy them on Amazon for cheaper.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 09, 2010, 05:44:06 PM
Scan's out for Batman. Not written by Morrison or Daniel, but the story's pretty good too. The point of it is to make Damian want to know more about his father instead of just thinking and accepting him as a generic dark knight of justice.

I love the way Damian's growing.


...AW [parasitic bomb] BATMAN & ROBIN #14 IS [tornado fang]ing TIGHT. It's awesome, I can't wait for the next issue. I don't want to spoil, so I'll wait a bit before talking about it and spazzing out like a good fan.



And like any other decent comic book lover, I am taking the time to read the current issue of One Moment In Time, in order to [sonic slicer] about it.

...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/FIRSTONE.jpg)
OH MY GOD.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/SECONDONE.jpg)
OH GOD, QUESADA, [tornado fang] YOU. THIS IS THE WORST THING YOU HAVE EVER, EVER DONE.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/THIRDONE.jpg)
[tornado fang] YOU, QUESADA. [tornado fang]. YOU.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/FOURTHONE.jpg)
OH GOD.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/FIFTHONE.jpg)
QUESADA, YOU [chameleon sting]er. YOU. STUPID. [chameleon sting]er.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/SIXTHONE.jpg)
HOW COULD YOU

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/SEVENTHONE.jpg)
HOW [tornado fang]ing COULD YOU

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/EIGTHONE.jpg)
YOU HAVE RUINED THINGS FOREVER


...that's it. That's [tornado fang]ing it. Seriously, I am taking a VERY long hiatus from Spider-Man until this man is out of Marvel for good.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Waifu on September 10, 2010, 04:03:52 AM
Scan's out for Batman. Not written by Morrison or Daniel, but the story's pretty good too. The point of it is to make Damian want to know more about his father instead of just thinking and accepting him as a generic dark knight of justice.

I love the way Damian's growing.


...AW [parasitic bomb] BATMAN & ROBIN #14 IS [tornado fang]ing TIGHT. It's awesome, I can't wait for the next issue. I don't want to spoil, so I'll wait a bit before talking about it and spazzing out like a good fan.



And like any other decent comic book lover, I am taking the time to read the current issue of One Moment In Time, in order to [sonic slicer] about it.

...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/FIRSTONE.jpg)
OH MY GOD.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/SECONDONE.jpg)
OH GOD, QUESADA, [tornado fang] YOU. THIS IS THE WORST THING YOU HAVE EVER, EVER DONE.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/THIRDONE.jpg)
[tornado fang] YOU, QUESADA. [tornado fang]. YOU.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/FOURTHONE.jpg)
OH GOD.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/FIFTHONE.jpg)
QUESADA, YOU [chameleon sting]er. YOU. STUPID. [chameleon sting]er.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/SIXTHONE.jpg)
HOW COULD YOU

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/SEVENTHONE.jpg)
HOW [tornado fang]ing COULD YOU

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/EIGTHONE.jpg)
YOU HAVE RUINED THINGS FOREVER


...that's it. That's [tornado fang]ing it. Seriously, I am taking a VERY long hiatus from Spider-Man until this man is out of Marvel for good.


 -AC  B(  >8|
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Gotham Ranger on September 10, 2010, 06:35:59 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/FOURTHONE.jpg)
.
She got a bit.. Fat, suddenly.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on September 10, 2010, 06:46:57 AM
relevant.

http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/27731-at4w-top15comicsineverreview
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Klavier Gavin on September 10, 2010, 09:36:11 AM
QUESADA

God damn Mexican food.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 10, 2010, 09:37:19 AM
And like any other decent comic book lover, I am taking the time to read the current issue of One Moment In Time, in order to [sonic slicer] about it.

...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/FIRSTONE.jpg)
OH MY GOD.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/SECONDONE.jpg)
OH GOD, QUESADA, [tornado fang] YOU. THIS IS THE WORST THING YOU HAVE EVER, EVER DONE.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/THIRDONE.jpg)
[tornado fang] YOU, QUESADA. [tornado fang]. YOU.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/FOURTHONE.jpg)
OH GOD.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/FIFTHONE.jpg)
QUESADA, YOU [chameleon sting]er. YOU. STUPID. [chameleon sting]er.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/SIXTHONE.jpg)
HOW COULD YOU

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/SEVENTHONE.jpg)
HOW [tornado fang]ing COULD YOU

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/EIGTHONE.jpg)
YOU HAVE RUINED THINGS FOREVER


...that's it. That's [tornado fang]ing it. Seriously, I am taking a VERY long hiatus from Spider-Man until this man is out of Marvel for good.

Really?  I mean, are you really that shocked?  What the [tornado fang] did you expect after One Moment in Time was announced?  CLEARLY he already had zero qualms about taking his [parasitic bomb] and making Spidey fans eat it with One More Day.  He gave Spidey fans [parasitic bomb], and they continued to pay money for Spidey Comics, so in his mind, how could giving them even more [parasitic bomb] to eat hurt?  Again, there's a part of me that has NO sympathy for people who still read Spidey after OMD, because of how horrifying THAT whole thing was.

Heh, I will take back what I typed above though, as even I was shocked at just how much of an abomination OMiT was. I mean, it literally makes OMD about 100x worse, easily. If I read it correctly, it still doesn't explain what happened to his powers from The Other, or why he's back to using Web Shooters again instead of the organic ones (unless that was the whole Strange, Stark, Richards bullshit thing). Hell, I still don't know how or why Harry is back.  

However, despite that, what really REALLY makes OMD and OMiT the worst event in comic history is the complete and utter lack of understanding or caring about the character of Peter Parker. I mean, him unmasking in Civil War is quite possibly the stupidest thing ever, being that above every hero in, I don't know, comic book HISTORY, he KNOWS. FIRST. HAND. what happens when psychopaths find out who you are under the mask. LoL, but then I see him say things in OMiT like "It's never going to end" when Aunt Anna & Mary Jane are attacked, and it's perfectly clear at that point that these writers have no [tornado fang]ing idea what they're doing. None. HE SHOULD KNOW DAMN [tornado fang]ing WELL WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN HE PUBLICLY UNMASKED HIMSELF, ESPECIALLY WHEN ACCORDING TO THE REGISTRATION, HE DIDN'T [tornado fang]ing HAVE TOO!

Haha, so fast forward to now, with him taking MJ with him in the magic remembrance bubble so he'd have someone to...........remember all his grief with because he "loved her too much?" Wow. LoL, I mean it's pretty much laughable at how mortifying this whole thing is...

Essentially, pretty much everything good ol' Uncle Ben taught him is gone. Now, with Great Power Comes ZERO Responsibility, as was already proven with OMD, but made even more potent with OMiT.  Gone is the growth of his character, the lessons learned through life, experience, and maturity. Peter Parker is now nothing more than a sniveling, worthless, selfish, [dark hold]-ish almost villainous human being who makes deals with the devil in order to save his Aunt instead of taking responsibility for his actions, begs for Dr. Strange to clean up the mess that Gwen Stacy's death should have made him very well aware of what the [tornado fang] was going to happen, and then takes ONE OF THE PEOPLE HE WAS TRYING TO PROTECT FROM ALL OF THIS into the magic bubble because "HE LOVES HER TOO MUCH?" I mean, that's abominable. With all you've put her through, she should've been allowed to forget to, at the very [tornado fang]ing least of this cancer, give SOME closure to the whole god damn Peter & MJ marriage/being together thing.  The writers know this to, as they literally make her TELL him this in the issue, which again just goes into the fact of how they just don't care about the character of Peter Parker, which is funny considering how when Marvel first started, what separated them from DC was how the character behind the powers mattered just as much or more than the superhero itself. Actually, not only have they ruined the character of Peter Parker, but that of Mary Jane as well.

LOL, and NOW after all of this gutter [parasitic bomb], they're BEST friends, yet still in love, yet just can't be together because they made Mary Jane a pussy & Peter Parker a spineless, irresponsible [dark hold]. The true exclamation point on this back alley abortion are the images you showed, because what they show isn't Mary Jane talking to Peter, but Joe Quesada talking to the readers of Spider-Man. Literally. Joe Quesada, throughout OMD and OMiT IS Mary Jane Watson.  This is him putting on a red wig, a pretty smile, and saying [tornado fang] YOU SPIDEY-FANS.

One More Day is the worst event in comic history. All One Moment in Time does is solidify it even more and make the whole thing 100x worse.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Mirby on September 10, 2010, 09:51:19 AM
So basically everyone should omit OMiT from their comic libraries? 8D
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 10, 2010, 10:05:59 AM
So basically everyone should omit OMiT from their comic libraries? 8D

I don't think you've fully grasped the concept of what Quesada has done here. Imagine seeing your favorite character and the core of his being as well as what made him special literally wiped away with the snap of a finger, reduced to a pathetic shell of himself because of some hack writer who shits ideas and gets them published cause he's in charge. And this isn't an Elseworlds or What If tale either like JLA: Act of God or some other bullshit, "non-understanding of characters" story.  This is canon. This IS what befalls my favorite Marvel hero.  Like I said, I almost have NO sympathy for fans who kept reading after OMD, but I do because he is my favorite Marvel character, and he's been [tornado fang]ing destroyed to the point where I don't even recognize him anymore.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 10, 2010, 11:47:33 AM
I don't think OMD is the worst event, honestly.

Because OMD, as bad as it was, introduced a deal with the devil. There was almost a CERTAINTY that Peter was going to face Mephisto in the future and make him undo it or something, and that seemed epic.

I mean, deals with the devil are BAD. And we're supposed to think that, and Mephisto is bad, and never has really gotten away with something so incredibly swiftly like this, as if it was a good thing he was doing.

...but THIS? This makes us DISREGARD all of that. This one, single event is nothing more than Quesada giving us NO REASON WHATSOEVER to completely ruin a character and make sure nobody has any loopholes currently to redo the marriage. This is the characters COMING TO TERMS with the situation. This event... this event is nothing more than pleasing Quesada alone and rubbing his fanboy ego with the realization that he finally has HIS Spider-Man. That he has HIS character back. That Mary Jane is evil and he should get away from her and that he should remain single.

...and that is the most [tornado fang]'d up thing I have ever heard. NO comics writer has ever made an event singlehandedly to stroke his own ego like this, no writer has ever been so self-pleasing, and honestly, I've never met a Spider-Man fan who has been pleased with this.




...congratulations, Joe Quesada. You have officially written the worst story in comics history.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 10, 2010, 08:07:53 PM
I consider One More Day & One Moment in Time one giant event and one giant clusterfuck.

I don't think OMD is the worst event, honestly.

Because OMD, as bad as it was, introduced a deal with the devil. There was almost a CERTAINTY that Peter was going to face Mephisto in the future and make him undo it or something, and that seemed epic.

I mean, deals with the devil are BAD. And we're supposed to think that, and Mephisto is bad, and never has really gotten away with something so incredibly swiftly like this, as if it was a good thing he was doing.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You and ANYONE who believed that Peter was going to have a future confrontation with Mephisto in the future over this are all CHUMPS! After reading OMD, watching the [tornado fang]er speak and reading his interviews, it was a certainty that NOTHING was going to ever change about this event. NOTH-ING. BECAUSE HE'S. IN. CHARGE. There's only 2 possible ways that this was ever going to get rectified. #1 is if Joe Quesada is no longer in charge, which by all intents and purposes isn't changing any time soon. #2 is if enough fans were so disgusted with One More Day that they stopped buying the comic all together, and put such a HUGE dent in sales that in order to continue making a profit, he'd have to fix it. 

CLEARLY, none are happening. Enough Spidey fans stomached the [parasitic bomb] he fed them and continued purchasing the comic, and they will probably continue to do so even after this testicular cancer. So Quesada has no reason to stop. This is not going away. Not for a loooooonng time. In fact, he can keep going with this. I mean, why should he stop? He's already created more loopholes in history, made Gwen Stacy a whore and cheapened her death, made Peter Parker so [tornado fang]ing stupid as to not even consider what would happen if he PUBLICLY UNMASKED, made him make a deal with the Devil instead of actually taking responsibility for the absolute stupidity of his actions, made Mary Jane a complete pansy, and made them best friends who love each other but can never be together because she's "not strong enough."

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...but THIS? This makes us DISREGARD all of that. This one, single event is nothing more than Quesada giving us NO REASON WHATSOEVER to completely ruin a character and make sure nobody has any loopholes currently to redo the marriage. This is the characters COMING TO TERMS with the situation. This event... this event is nothing more than pleasing Quesada alone and rubbing his fanboy ego with the realization that he finally has HIS Spider-Man. That he has HIS character back. That Mary Jane is evil and he should get away from her and that he should remain single.

He was already ruined after One More Day, through years and years of horrific writing. One More Day already showed that the character of Peter Parker was ruined pretty much beyond recognition. All One Moment in Time does is staple the fact, the fact that was COMPLETELY CLEAR AFTER ONE MORE DAY, that Peter Parker & Mary Jane are done as a couple for as long as he's in charge.

Like I said, those last panels you posted is Quesada talking DI-RECT-LY to Spider-Man fans. He IS Mary Jane. He's smiling and laughing in your face at what he's done. I mean, did you actually READ what he wrote? Here, I'll quote it for you...

"You know I'm right. You've been sitting here wondering... waiting for something that ISN'T going to happen!"

HE. EVEN. BOLDS. IT. He directly tells you that as long as he has his way, they have no future together. And then he continues...

"You need to get on with your life, Peter. There's someone wonderful out there for you. But if you keep holding on to "this," you may never find her...even if she's standing right there in front of you!"

I mean, do you realize what he's saying? Joe Quesada is Mary Jane, Peter Parker represents the Spider-Man fans, "her" is the current comic after what he's done, and the italicized "this" is his butchering of their marriage. This is him telling fans straight to their [tornado fang]ing face that this is the way things are going to be, that the comic is now great even if you can't see it, and that they just have to get over "this," move on and continue buying Spider-Man comics, cause look...

"You're going to be okay, Peter. We're both going to be okay!"

Cause I'm going to keep this back alley abortion going, and you're going to be okay with it! WE'RE (Quesada & the fans) BOTH GOING TO BE OKAY! And then, the pièce de résistance...

"Today. My best friend, the best person I've ever known-- --set me free!"

Listen to the words. LISTEN. He's referring to himself as Spider-Man fans "best friend" and saying that he's the "BEST PERSON THEY'VE EVER KNOWN," and that he has "SET THEM FREE!" Like I said, all One Moment in Time does is staple the fact that they're done as a couple as long as he's in charge, so now it's time to get over it, move on, and continue buying Spider-Man comics because he's you're best friend, the best person you've ever know, and he's done you a favor.

In terms of arrogant, power mad gloating, this is a [tornado fang]ing Machiavellian MASTERPIECE!

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...and that is the most [tornado fang]'d up thing I have ever heard. NO comics writer has ever made an event singlehandedly to stroke his own ego like this, no writer has ever been so self-pleasing, and honestly, I've never met a Spider-Man fan who has been pleased with this.

You're right. No Spider-Man fan I've talked to was pleased with One More Day either...BUT THEY STILL KEPT BUYING THE [tornado fang]ing COMIC! And that's why he wins. Because people will still continue to spend money on this drivel.

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...congratulations, Joe Quesada. You have officially written the worst story in comics history.

If you consider OMD & OMiT two separate event, then I'd probably agree with you that this is worse than OMD. But because it is an admitted sequel/epilogue and directly ties into OMD, I consider the whole thing one giant event, and it is still indeed the worst thing I've ever read in comic book history.

For what I think a lot of fans don't realize is the the character of Peter Parker is gone. All that matters now is Spider-Man. All that matters now is the spider-powers (although not really since The Other powers & organic web shooter thing was never resolved) and the quipping. "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility" as well as all the life lessons that Peter Parker has learned over the years has been thrown into the gutter and left for rat food. And like I said before, it's so god damn tragic because the whole point of what made Marvel different from DC back when it started out was that the characters behind the costume, behind the powers, mattered just as much or more than the costume & powers. With my favorite Marvel super hero, that is no longer the case.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on September 10, 2010, 08:35:26 PM
So basically- at this point, The Spider Man comic franchise's only hope is to be re-booted? (once Mexican food is out of the way)
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 10, 2010, 08:49:38 PM
Not really. Technically, this was the reboot. This whole thing was a foolish attempt to try and get Spider-Man "back to his roots" so to speak, but in reality it's as Superbat & I have said, being that it's Quesada stroking his sick, twisted fanboy ego. It would need a complete overhaul, because simply going back to before OMD would be almost just as bad, due to the years and years of god awful Spidey writing that preceded OMD. OMD was really just the icing on the cake or the final nail in the coffin. At this point, the damage is so deep, that the entire Spider-Man franchise, or hell even the current Marvel Universe would pretty much have to start over.

But the problem is that the already did that with the Ultimate line. That was the whole point of the Ultimate Marvel U, and despite Bendis' very lengthy & wordy writing at times, Ultimate Spider-Man was pretty good, and from what I've seen, still is. It would definitely be the Spider-Man I would recommend far FAR above the current 616 Universe clusterfuck, outside the Cosmic Marvel U., which from what Superbat and others tell me, is the only Marvel worth reading at this point.

So honestly, I don't even think a reboot would help save 616 U Spidey at this point. Like I said, if you want good Spider-Man storytelling, go with Ultimate.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 10, 2010, 09:03:26 PM
I consider them two separate events, but yes, they are in a way, one single event. Let me just say the difference between One More Day and One Moment In Time.

One More Day is Peter having his life taken away from an evil entity and then suddenly being "rebooted". And although I read the interviews, I actually thought there was a chance, a TINY chance that a small window of oportunity was still open, so if enough fans didn't like this, it would be undone for good. It was a tiny window, yes. But you can't deny that it was there. And even Bendis, one of the current Spidey artists and the guy considered to be the first in line to occupy Quesada's position once he's gone, hates this. Hell, Stan Lee has BLATANTLY stated he hates it by making the a bizarro version of this reboot (in which Peter wakes up happily married) in the newspaper comic. Nobody likes One More Day. Just Quesada. So there was a TIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINY bit of hope. A very small one, but there was.

But One Moment In Time? One Moment In Time is closing up every window, sealing the situation in a box, burying it in cement, sticking it in a place where nobody will ever find it and telling us "YOU'RE NEVER GONNA GET OUT OF HERE, EVER AGAIN!". OMD was bad, but it wasn't this bad. This? THIS IS BAD. This is fanfiction come to life. And it's making a point of killing every tiny bit of hope we ever had VERY SLOWLY so it hurts alot, ripping our heart out of our chest and rubbing it on our faces, along with his ballsack. This is pure disrespect. This is vandalism. This is Quesada doing the very thing no editor should ever do. Make comics for a single person. HIMSELF.



...get Geoff Johns here. Have him do a Spider-Man: Rebirth, a Goblin Corps War and a Spidest Night. That's the only way to save this.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 10, 2010, 09:22:17 PM
I consider them two separate events, but yes, they are in a way, one single event. Let me just say the difference between One More Day and One Moment In Time.

One More Day is Peter having his life taken away from an evil entity and then suddenly being "rebooted". And although I read the interviews, I actually thought there was a chance, a TINY chance that a small window of oportunity was still open, so if enough fans didn't like this, it would be undone for good. It was a tiny window, yes. But you can't deny that it was there. And even Bendis, one of the current Spidey artists and the guy considered to be the first in line to occupy Quesada's position once he's gone, hates this. Hell, Stan Lee has BLATANTLY stated he hates it by making the a bizarro version of this reboot (in which Peter wakes up happily married) in the newspaper comic. Nobody likes One More Day. Just Quesada. So there was a TIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINY bit of hope. A very small one, but there was.

But One Moment In Time? One Moment In Time is closing up every window, sealing the situation in a box, burying it in cement, sticking it in a place where nobody will ever find it and telling us "YOU'RE NEVER GONNA GET OUT OF HERE, EVER AGAIN!". OMD was bad, but it wasn't this bad. This? THIS IS BAD. This is fanfiction come to life. And it's making a point of killing every tiny bit of hope we ever had VERY SLOWLY so it hurts alot, ripping our heart out of our chest and rubbing it on our faces, along with his ballsack. This is pure disrespect. This is vandalism. This is Quesada doing the very thing no editor should ever do. Make comics for a single person. HIMSELF.



...get Geoff Johns here. Have him do a Spider-Man: Rebirth, a Goblin Corps War and a Spidest Night. That's the only way to save this.

Honestly, I had no hope of this ever being undone as long as Quesada's in charge, just by my own judgment of the man's character and personality. And as soon as I saw the announcement of One Moment in Time, I pretty much knew this was coming. Also, I understand the fact that no one liked OMD, but like I said the problem was that people kept buying the comic. From what I read on message boards and everywhere, pretty much 99% of people hated OMD, including the Marvel peeps you mentioned. But if you complain about it and keep buying the product, who cares? The money is still coming in, and ultimately that's what it's about. It's gonna be the same thing with OMiT too. People will [sonic slicer], people will complain, but if people keep buying the comic, then nothing's going to be done about this travesty.

As for Quesada closing up every window, that's not my problem with it, because as Geoff Johns, Ed Brubaker, and Grant Morrison have clearly proved, there is nothing in comics that can not be undone. OMD & OMiT can easily be undone with all the awesome magical, reality altering [parasitic bomb] that plenty of characters in Marvel have the ability to do.  There's just 0% chance it will be as long as Quesada is in charge. Like you just said...

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This is fanfiction come to life. And it's making a point of killing every tiny bit of hope we ever had VERY SLOWLY so it hurts alot, ripping our heart out of our chest and rubbing it on our faces, along with his ballsack. This is pure disrespect. This is vandalism. This is Quesada doing the very thing no editor should ever do. Make comics for a single person. HIMSELF.

To me, he already did this with One More Day. OMiT is just a continuation of his fanfiction, making it 100x worse.

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...get Geoff Johns here. Have him do a Spider-Man: Rebirth, a Goblin Corps War and a Spidest Night. That's the only way to save this.

From what I've seen, Brubaker is another candidate for something like this.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Acid on September 10, 2010, 09:28:26 PM
relevant.

http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/27731-at4w-top15comicsineverreview

Now I got 15 things to read.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 10, 2010, 09:35:21 PM
Now I got 15 things to read.

I forget everything on the list, but I agree with pretty much everything he said.

I definitely agree with him not wanting to review OMD, because he's not telling us anything that we don't already know.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Gaia on September 10, 2010, 09:43:59 PM
So, guess the only super that hasn't been Tampered by Quesada is Iron Man? I might look into those.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 10, 2010, 09:55:12 PM
So, guess the only super that hasn't been Tampered by Quesada is Iron Man? I might look into those.

Well I've never been the biggest Iron Man fan overall, but I think his character was also pretty much ruined in Civil War. However, I don't know what's going on with him lately.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on September 10, 2010, 10:19:39 PM
Well I've never been the biggest Iron Man fan overall, but I think his character was also pretty much ruined in Civil War. However, I don't know what's going on with him lately.
If I remember right, he went full retard, tough they might have cured him of it.
I dunno, I stopped reading Marvel after Siege.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Gaia on September 10, 2010, 10:20:07 PM
Looks like Civil War might be the cause of Peter making the deal with the devil. It's my assumption, since I noticed a trend how bad comic book plots have been getting these days (lolgrimdark).
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 10, 2010, 10:37:23 PM
So, guess the only super that hasn't been Tampered by Quesada is Iron Man? I might look into those.
It's halfway decent, but not really as good as the stuff DC has gotten me used to. If you want to read anything good with Iron Man, read Extremis by Warren Ellis.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Blackhook on September 10, 2010, 11:03:18 PM
..What does Quesada have against MJ?...I don´t get it? Peter and MJ belong to eachother similiar to Lois and Clark...
Setting up all this to make them break up seems tad extreme...
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on September 10, 2010, 11:04:49 PM
..What does Quesada have against MJ?...I don´t get it? Peter and MJ belong to eachother similiar to Lois and Clark...
Setting up all this to make them break up seems tad extreme...
Welcome to Quesada. leave your reason at the door, and [tornado fang] up everything that is ingrained into a character and makes him who he is.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 10, 2010, 11:16:08 PM
..What does Quesada have against MJ?...I don´t get it? Peter and MJ belong to eachother similiar to Lois and Clark...
Setting up all this to make them break up seems tad extreme...
He grew up reading comics where Peter was a bachelor. Now he's head of Marvel. Basically, he's butthurt because of nostalgia, hates MJ because he believes Peter should forever be a mindless irresponsible teenager, and wants to make everything the way he was when he was a kid. It's like going to Deviantart or Fanfiction.net and giving some kid the keys to his own favorite franchise. He's making the story he's always wanted to make, while the original creators and best authors of the franchise sigh and watch their creation be ripped to pieces because some douchey kid who believes more in his own happiness than on others' got ahold of it.


I will say one thing. Quesada took Marvel out of a financial crisis a few years back, and his economical decisions have been good, as well as alot of other stuff he's done. But he is a horrible, horrible man due to what he's done to this story.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 10, 2010, 11:57:36 PM
Looks like Civil War might be the cause of Peter making the deal with the devil. It's my assumption, since I noticed a trend how bad comic book plots have been getting these days (lolgrimdark).

Yes and no. Again, Spidey has been written like [parasitic bomb] for a good 5-6 years now or longer. Civil War was one of the main reasons, because he publicly unmasked himself, which is easily the stupidest decision in comic book history. But in the end it all boils down to [parasitic bomb] writing by Quesada. If he wanted to end their marriage, there were just so many many many other ways to do it.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Gaia on September 11, 2010, 12:01:47 AM
Yes and no. Again, Spidey has been written like [parasitic bomb] for a good 5-6 years now or longer. Civil War was one of the main reasons, because he publicly unmasked himself, which is easily the stupidest decision in comic book history. But in the end it all boils down to [parasitic bomb] writing by Quesada. If he wanted to end their marriage, there were just so many many many other ways to do it.

Like divorce, basically MJ being fed up with Parker's second life, instead of making a goddamn deal to the freaking devil. At least it would've made more sense, logical, and push foward Peter's character than taking five steps foward, and few steps back.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 11, 2010, 12:23:38 AM
Unmasking COULD have been a good decision, if the Civil War status quo of perfect utopian Tony Stark world of every single hero in the US working for SHIELD remained for good. With a whole new status quo, we would have been able to have new and interesting stories. But we all knew it didn't. It was amazingly stupid.

Like divorce, basically MJ being fed up with Parker's second life, instead of making a goddamn deal to the freaking devil. At least it would've made more sense, logical, and push foward Peter's character than taking five steps foward, and few steps back.
That would AGE him. Quesada wants to make him into the forever teen.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 11, 2010, 12:32:16 AM
Unmasking COULD have been a good decision, if the Civil War status quo of perfect utopian Tony Stark world of every single hero in the US working for SHIELD remained for good. With a whole new status quo, we would have been able to have new and interesting stories. But we all knew it didn't. It was amazingly stupid.

The problem is that he didn't have to publicly unmask. You're right, if he had just unmasked for the govt. & SHIELD (still stupid but like you said could've produced some good stories) it could have worked. In fact, it was one of the main problems I had with Civil War in the first place. It was never going to work.

That would AGE him. Quesada wants to make him into the forever teen.

Yep. That's one of the things I meant when I say that Spider-Man himself is more important than the character Peter Parker.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 11, 2010, 01:04:36 AM
Honestly? In my opinion, Peter Parker SUCKS. He is one of the most whiny, obnoxious and stupid self-dramatizing BRATS I have ever seen in any kind of storylines. While Spider-Man rules. Dude's always on the move, always with good humor... Heck, it's the reason I'm loving how Shattered Dimensions plays. No Peter Parker, only Spidey.

Wally West's Flash run is pretty much the very idea of Spider-Man done well. Alot of crap happens to his family, loved ones and pretty much everyone he takes care of, due to his public identity. But the whole tale is done in a very good way, even when the Spectre erases public knowledge of his identity (even to himself). He always saves the day, he always makes it right in the end, and he's brought both his wife and children back from the dead. Now that's hardcore.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 11, 2010, 01:50:33 AM
Honestly? In my opinion, Peter Parker SUCKS. He is one of the most whiny, obnoxious and stupid self-dramatizing BRATS I have ever seen in any kind of storylines. While Spider-Man rules. Dude's always on the move, always with good humor... Heck, it's the reason I'm loving how Shattered Dimensions plays. No Peter Parker, only Spidey.

Wally West's Flash run is pretty much the very idea of Spider-Man done well. Alot of crap happens to his family, loved ones and pretty much everyone he takes care of, due to his public identity. But the whole tale is done in a very good way, even when the Spectre erases public knowledge of his identity (even to himself). He always saves the day, he always makes it right in the end, and he's brought both his wife and children back from the dead. Now that's hardcore.

But Parker pushed through all the whining, the misery of the reality of his life, and kept going with being Spider-Man because he knew he had a responsibility. That's the beauty of the character. Life shat on him, both as Parker & Spider-Man, and he kept pushing through, as both Parker & Spider-Man because of the lessons he learned, and in the end he got the girl. He was rewarded with something good. Sure, his life was still all not that great, but he still had someone that loved him & visa versa. This destroyed all of that and brought him even further back to the whinyness than even the last 5-6 years of awful Spidey writing did.

Also, Wally West can really not be compared to Peter Parker. They are two completely different characters. Wally West started off as a hero at a young age, even younger that Parker. He had a mentor to fully teach him how to use his powers and to set an example. He had other teenage costumed heroes he hung out with and they grew into their own family. And after Barry's death, Wally properly assumed the mantle of the Flash and builds a life for himself. Yes, there are some story comparisons. Like Linkara pointed out, there was an event with Wally in which Neron does indeed steal Wally's love & marriage, and it's done so much better than OMD. Of course, as brilliantly written and reinforced by Geoff Johns, a writer who uses the past to reinforce his version, Wally's love for Linda is his lightning rod, his way home, so that whole thing has more importance than OMD. But Wally never suffered as much as Peter did. Ever. Especially early on in his crime-fighting career.

Now, do I think Wally West is a better character than Peter Parker? Yes, I do. But I think it stems more from the fact that he's been handled sooooooooooooooooo much better as a character than Peter Parker by the writers.  If anything, it's why The Spectacular Spider-Man is, IMO, the best version of Spider-Man I've ever seen, if you want to compare Peter Parker characters.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 11, 2010, 01:56:57 AM
But Parker pushed through all the whining, the misery of the reality of his life, and kept going with being Spider-Man because he knew he had a responsibility. That's the beauty of the character. Life shat on him, both as Parker & Spider-Man, and he kept pushing through, as both Parker & Spider-Man because of the lessons he learned, and in the end he got the girl. He was rewarded with something good. Sure, his life was still all not that great, but he still had someone that loved him & visa versa. This destroyed all of that and brought him even further back to the whinyness than even the last 5-6 years of awful Spidey writing did.

Also, Wally West can really not be compared to Peter Parker. They are two completely different characters. Wally West started off as a hero at a young age, even younger that Parker. He had a mentor to fully teach him how to use his powers and to set an example. He had other teenage costumed heroes he hung out with and they grew into their own family. And after Barry's death, Wally properly assumed the mantle of the Flash and builds a life for himself. Yes, there are some story comparisons. Like Linkara pointed out, there was an event with Wally in which Neron does indeed steal Wally's love & marriage, and it's done so much better than OMD. Of course, as brilliantly written and reinforced by Geoff Johns, a writer who uses the past to reinforce his version, Wally's love for Linda is his lightning rod, his way home, so that whole thing has more importance than OMD. But Wally never suffered as much as Peter did. Ever. Especially early on in his crime-fighting career.

Now, do I think Wally West is a better character than Peter Parker? Yes, I do. But I think it stems more from the fact that he's been handled sooooooooooooooooo much better as a character than Peter Parker by the writers.  If anything, it's why The Spectacular Spider-Man is, IMO, the best version of Spider-Man I've ever seen, if you want to compare Peter Parker characters.
I was pretty much just comparing for the sake of similar situations. Wally had a dead mentor, had to control absolute CHAOS in his city, constant tragedy happened to him, and he handled alot of stuff by himself. Both his wife and children were taken from him multiple times, and they even made him forget about her in the middle of their own wedding! But he always went through in his own way, and always succeeded, never giving up, never going down even a little bit. That's what I like about him. Wally did what Peter could not. Because of the way he was written and the way he became. He gained maturity. A wife. Children. Respect by the people of the city and of the world. While Peter has a life of endless [parasitic bomb] to look forward to.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 11, 2010, 02:29:17 AM
I was pretty much just comparing for the sake of similar situations. Wally had a dead mentor, had to control absolute CHAOS in his city, constant tragedy happened to him, and he handled alot of stuff by himself. Both his wife and children were taken from him multiple times, and they even made him forget about her in the middle of their own wedding! But he always went through in his own way, and always succeeded, never giving up, never going down even a little bit. That's what I like about him. Wally did what Peter could not. Because of the way he was written and the way he became. He gained maturity. A wife. Children. Respect by the people of the city and of the world. While Peter has a life of endless [parasitic bomb] to look forward to.

But like you said, that has everything to do with the writing and handling of the character. Wally is allowed to gain maturity. Wally is allowed to have a wife. Wally is allowed to have children. And before Flash: Rebirth, Wally's kids were handled pretty terrible, and thanks to the Geoffenious, they were improved upon! What's truly sad is that Peter is NOT allowed to have these things anymore. I think him having a kid with MJ would be the best thing that could happen to the character of Peter Parker, as it would once again bring home the idea of Peter Parker's responsibility. I never read much of it, but from my understanding, everyone LOVED the character of May-Day Parker in the Spider-Girl comic series. Quesada goes out of his way to show that she'll never exist. Ever. Not as long as he's in charge.

Hell, all you're really stating is that the writers of The Flash are much better than the writers of Spider-Man, and I couldn't agree with you more.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 11, 2010, 03:05:46 AM
But like you said, that has everything to do with the writing and handling of the character. Wally is allowed to gain maturity. Wally is allowed to have a wife. Wally is allowed to have children. And before Flash: Rebirth, Wally's kids were handled pretty terrible, and thanks to the Geoffenious, they were improved upon! What's truly sad is that Peter is NOT allowed to have these things anymore. I think him having a kid with MJ would be the best thing that could happen to the character of Peter Parker, as it would once again bring home the idea of Peter Parker's responsibility. I never read much of it, but from my understanding, everyone LOVED the character of May-Day Parker in the Spider-Girl comic series. Quesada goes out of his way to show that she'll never exist. Ever. Not as long as he's in charge.

Hell, all you're really stating is that the writers of The Flash are much better than the writers of Spider-Man, and I couldn't agree with you more.
Exactly. Talking about the natural evolution of a character, and how it's handled. In Marvel, few characters are being allowed an actual evolution (Steve Rogers looks like a 20-year old in his recent comics). In DC, pretty much everyone is maturing lately, and their personalities are changing. Batman's being given a whole new perspective in life, Superman's gained and lost his culture all over again, and he's reconnecting with the world, Hal Jordan's trying to find out what love means, Guy Gardner's no longer just an [dark hold], but he's a respectable commander of amazing forces, along with Kyle who finally lost all of his insecurities and is a veteran with a stable romance, Ollie is trying to find himself again, in his origins, Barry's back and trying to keep up with the world as best as he can, Diana's trying to undo stuff in her own origin, and taking on a new street-level style to do it... heck, even villains like Sinestro are evolving and redeeming themselves!

Meanwhile, it's back to Deadpool being violently funny in his hundreds of weekly titles, and Wolverine bubbing snikts and snikting bubs.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 11, 2010, 03:28:33 AM
Exactly. Talking about the natural evolution of a character, and how it's handled. In Marvel, few characters are being allowed an actual evolution (Steve Rogers looks like a 20-year old in his recent comics). In DC, pretty much everyone is maturing lately, and their personalities are changing. Batman's being given a whole new perspective in life, Superman's gained and lost his culture all over again, and he's reconnecting with the world, Hal Jordan's trying to find out what love means, Guy Gardner's no longer just an [dark hold], but he's a respectable commander of amazing forces, along with Kyle who finally lost all of his insecurities and is a veteran with a stable romance, Ollie is trying to find himself again, in his origins, Barry's back and trying to keep up with the world as best as he can, Diana's trying to undo stuff in her own origin, and taking on a new street-level style to do it... heck, even villains like Sinestro are evolving and redeeming themselves!

Meanwhile, it's back to Deadpool being violently funny in his hundreds of weekly titles, and Wolverine bubbing snikts and snikting bubs.

This is why I was such a huge fan of the Ultimate universe, because at least if they were gonna go back to basics, they made a different universe for it. All three original Ultimate titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Ultimate X-Men, and The Ultimates, were excellent series, in my opinion. Granted, Marvel eventually ruined a couple of them (despite my issues with Ultimate Spidey, I still thought it was good).

Otherwise, I agree with everything you said about DC and the characters. Hell you could've gone further. Luthor's evolving, secondary characters like Ganthet & Mera are even gaining new life, purpose, and character, and the new characters they've created like Larfleeze & Atrocitus all have their own unique character (Quickie told me that Larfleeze is getting his own X-mas special).

It's why I easily think that DC is better than Marvel at this point, and I'm not saying Marvel is all you. You and others have told me that Cosmic Marvel is [tornado fang]ing genius, and I personally think Ed Brubaker is a fantastic writer.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 11, 2010, 03:48:40 AM
This is why I was such a huge fan of the Ultimate universe, because at least if they were gonna go back to basics, they made a different universe for it. All three original Ultimate titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Ultimate X-Men, and The Ultimates, were excellent series, in my opinion. Granted, Marvel eventually ruined a couple of them (despite my issues with Ultimate Spidey, I still thought it was good).

Otherwise, I agree with everything you said about DC and the characters. Hell you could've gone further. Luthor's evolving, secondary characters like Ganthet & Mera are even gaining new life, purpose, and character, and the new characters they've created like Larfleeze & Atrocitus all have their own unique character (Quickie told me that Larfleeze is getting his own X-mas special).

It's why I easily think that DC is better than Marvel at this point, and I'm not saying Marvel is all you. You and others have told me that Cosmic Marvel is [tornado fang]ing genius, and I personally think Ed Brubaker is a fantastic writer.

DC IS better than Marvel. Leagues better.

But honestly? And this is HURTING ME LIKE ALL HELL to say. Seriously, it's causing me gigantic pain.

Cosmic Marvel, at least Annihilation, that one single event... is better than the usual, run-of-the-mill DC stuff. It's basically one of the best events I've ever seen, if not the best (along with stuff like Final Crisis and Sinestro Corps War) and it's absolutely AMAZING. Every single comic of the main event is a pure delight, and Nova is SUCH AN AWESOME CHARACTER when he goes solo with the Nova Force. From there, the characters evolve, and it pretty much is at DC standards, all of the events that go from there. But Annihilation is just... monstrous. Amazing. Incredible. Fantastic. It is epic in standards of epic which you have never, ever seen before.

(http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae264/Bertturtle/sc00283869.jpg?t=1284082612)

Oh, and this is pretty excellent too. =P
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 11, 2010, 03:55:06 AM
DC IS better than Marvel. Leagues better.

But honestly? And this is HURTING ME LIKE ALL HELL to say. Seriously, it's causing me gigantic pain.

Cosmic Marvel, at least Annihilation, that one single event... is better than the usual, run-of-the-mill DC stuff. It's basically one of the best events I've ever seen, if not the best (along with stuff like Final Crisis and Sinestro Corps War) and it's absolutely AMAZING. Every single comic of the main event is a pure delight, and Nova is SUCH AN AWESOME CHARACTER when he goes solo with the Nova Force. From there, the characters evolve, and it pretty much is at DC standards, all of the events that go from there. But Annihilation is just... monstrous. Amazing. Incredible. Fantastic. It is epic in standards of epic which you have never, ever seen before.

(http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae264/Bertturtle/sc00283869.jpg?t=1284082612)

Oh, and this is pretty excellent too. =P

Hey, it wouldn't hurt me to say that. A good comic is a good comic, no matter the company. Again, I consider The Ultimates 1 & 2 among the best comics I've ever read. Ever.

And yeah, that scene was priceless. Hell, even Carol's character is developing. XD
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 11, 2010, 10:46:19 PM
Getting away from the Quesada crap, who here has any theories on how the next Batman & Robin will envelop? Seeing as there will be more Batman issues in October than there are weeks in the month, I'm really excited about it. The final conclusion to the amazing and awesome Morrison story that we have been reading since Batman & Son is almost here, and a whole new status quo will be born for the Bat. I really can't wait.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 11, 2010, 10:52:56 PM
It's going to be very interesting. I'm really curious what becomes of Tim & Damian and how they play out!
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 11, 2010, 10:57:54 PM
Funnily enough, Tim and Damian seem to be turning into the main Batman and Robin of the DCU, getting roles in Detective Comics, Batman, Batman & Robin, Streets of Gotham and JLA. Bruce seems to be confined to Batman Inc and Batman: The Dark Knight for now. I guess he's truly going international. I wonder how long will the Batcave remain closed now...

One thing I AM looking forward to, is the Selina issue of The Return. Since it's about important characters coming to terms with Bruce coming back, I find it important that her and Bruce measure their relationship, and find out where it's going. I know it's extremely unlikely, but I'd really like Bruce to settle down and be happy sometime. He could continue doing his Batman schtick, but having an actual family to take care of would be important for him.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 11, 2010, 11:00:52 PM
But if they've made the Batman Beyond future canon, then it's definitely unlikely that Bruce will ever settle down.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 11, 2010, 11:03:12 PM
But if they've made the Batman Beyond future canon, then it's definitely unlikely that Bruce will ever settle down.
Not exactly. Three things:

- The current "canon" Batman Beyond future has Damian training Terry, and not Bruce. (confirmed in the latest Superman/Batman Annual)
- The "canonization" of Beyond was made in the #700 issue, which had a completely unconnected story which was more of a tribute to Batman's entire story than exactly something CANON to begin with.
- The old Beyond DCAU universe is currently taking shape in a comic that is canon in its own universe rather than on DC's main Earth.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 11, 2010, 11:12:24 PM
They sure make him look like Bruce! XD

Posted on: September 11, 2010, 04:09:27 PM
- The current "canon" Batman Beyond future has Damian training Terry, and not Bruce. (confirmed in the latest Superman/Batman Annual)

Ummm...

DC says different. (http://dccomics.com/dcu/comics/?cm=14961)
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Post by: Acid on September 11, 2010, 11:16:03 PM
I liked Batman Beyond. Coming from the fact that I REALLY like Bruce Timm's style.
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Post by: Blackhook on September 11, 2010, 11:17:38 PM
Yeah it was good.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 11, 2010, 11:18:02 PM
I liked Batman Beyond. Coming from the fact that I REALLY like Bruce Timm's style.

I'm such a huge fan of all the DCAU shows. Especially Batman Beyond. I agree though with the liking of Bruce Timm's style.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 11, 2010, 11:23:04 PM
They sure make him look like Bruce! XD

Posted on: September 11, 2010, 04:09:27 PM
Ummm...

DC says different. (http://dccomics.com/dcu/comics/?cm=14961)
...not the annual, man! That's DCAU canon, and continues from the DCAU episodes!

The RECENT title. Superman/Batman #75.

http://dccomics.com/dcu/comics/?cm=15358

Here, I'll scan both pages of the short story for you.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/Superman-Batman075044.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/Superman-Batman075045.jpg)

Bruce and Supes are dead, and Terry's trained by Damian. Follows with the #700 canon, which honestly hasn't yet been proven FULLY canon by any of the comics. It is Morrison-canon, so...
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 11, 2010, 11:32:13 PM
...not the annual, man! That's DCAU canon, and continues from the DCAU episodes!

The RECENT title. Superman/Batman #75.

Hey don't blame me. You said "confirmed in the latest Superman/Batman Annual" not I! XD

Quote
Here, I'll scan both pages of the short story for you.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/Superman-Batman075044.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/Superman-Batman075045.jpg)

Bruce and Supes are dead, and Terry's trained by Damian. Follows with the #700 canon, which honestly hasn't yet been proven FULLY canon by any of the comics. It is Morrison-canon, so...

LoL, Morrison-canon is always a mystery! 

I will say though that ever since that Batman issue, I've always liked Damian's outfit.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 11, 2010, 11:43:37 PM
Hey don't blame me. You said "confirmed in the latest Superman/Batman Annual" not I! XD

LoL, Morrison-canon is always a mystery! 

I will say though that ever since that Batman issue, I've always liked Damian's outfit.
FFFFFFF MY DAMN MIND

I remember I was mentally going "MENTION THE SUPERMAN/BATMAN, NOT THE SUPERMAN/BATMAN ANNUAL, THAT WILL BE THE OPPOSITE"

My bad, dawg. And yeah, Batman #666 was pretty cool. But see, I'm not very fond of people showing us the future of the characters we're following. It's like automatically reading the ending to a story. And we know it's gonna be retconned soon. Heck, the Legion keeps being retconned, Beyond can't happen as intended because of MOAR ROBINS, and we know that this "close future Batman" with Damian will eventually be retconned as well. Heck, in a future where Bruce and pretty much all other inheritors of the Batman legacy seem to be dead except Damian, there's really not alot of chances for a happy ending for any of our favorite characters. I just hope that this goes to an alternate universe instead of limbo. Morrison already ties pretty much all of his works, like JLA One Million having All-Star Superman as a sort of prequel. So his canon is already pretty damn screwed in the first place.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 11, 2010, 11:58:24 PM
Well that's what I meant when I say that Morrison-canon is always a mystery.

And honestly, I tend to agree with you, which is one reason I never really got into the Legion, except for Mark Waid's run on it which was one of the best comics that recently came out several years back.

However, I honestly consider Batman Beyond to be the greatest version of the future of Batman.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 12, 2010, 12:08:57 AM
Well that's what I meant when I say that Morrison-canon is always a mystery.

And honestly, I tend to agree with you, which is one reason I never really got into the Legion, except for Mark Waid's run on it which was one of the best comics that recently came out several years back.

However, I honestly consider Batman Beyond to be the greatest version of the future of Batman.
It is, but mostly because of Dini's and Timm's amazing concepts for different storylines in the future, and their ability to make Terry a great character by creating new stuff all around instead of just focusing on a legacy.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 12, 2010, 12:12:15 AM
It is, but mostly because of Dini's and Timm's amazing concepts for different storylines in the future, and their ability to make Terry a great character by creating new stuff all around instead of just focusing on a legacy.

Exactly. I liked his character a lot. I liked that he was a different type of Batman than Bruce.  What I really like is what happened to Bruce to. I feel it's the most truthful example of what would happen to him. Plus, the reason why he gave it up was done so well in the opener.
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Post by: Acid on September 12, 2010, 12:41:57 AM
I liked that he was a different type of Batman than Bruce. 

Sure helped him against the Joker.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 12, 2010, 01:03:45 AM
Sure helped him against the Joker.
Which kinda reminds me of why I think of #700's Beyond cameo as more of a tribute anyway. Look at who Terry's fighting. They're not some run-of-the-mill gang. That's the Joker and his Jokerz. =P Damian wouldn't be so chillaxed if it was someone like that. XD

Exactly. I liked his character a lot. I liked that he was a different type of Batman than Bruce.  What I really like is what happened to Bruce to. I feel it's the most truthful example of what would happen to him. Plus, the reason why he gave it up was done so well in the opener.
Yep. But that's the very point of this new side of Batman Morrison's promoting. He's CHANGING Batman. Getting him into the yellow oval again, embracing his Golden Age past, making him more colorful, getting him to fight against Gods and Entities... DCAU Bruce surely would have ended up like that, yes. But current Bruce? No. I'm expecting Bruce to come out changed, with a different outlook on life. No longer just the "[dark hold]" of the JLA. Look at the way he's portrayed in the Morrison books. Making a few jokes once in awhile. Fighting Ninja Man-Bats. Sharing a cuppa with his family. Actually SMILING to a girl when he recognizes her and treating her right, right after he's been through one of the worst ordeals of his life in #701. Morrison is changing Bruce bit by bit. Making him a bit more wacky and cartoony, to be honest. He's no longer the [dark hold] who scares children and treats everyone in a superior manner, grunting all the way. Dude's evolved beyond that.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 12, 2010, 01:59:13 AM
Yep. But that's the very point of this new side of Batman Morrison's promoting. He's CHANGING Batman. Getting him into the yellow oval again, embracing his Golden Age past, making him more colorful, getting him to fight against Gods and Entities... DCAU Bruce surely would have ended up like that, yes. But current Bruce? No. I'm expecting Bruce to come out changed, with a different outlook on life. No longer just the "[dark hold]" of the JLA. Look at the way he's portrayed in the Morrison books. Making a few jokes once in awhile. Fighting Ninja Man-Bats. Sharing a cuppa with his family. Actually SMILING to a girl when he recognizes her and treating her right, right after he's been through one of the worst ordeals of his life in #701. Morrison is changing Bruce bit by bit. Making him a bit more wacky and cartoony, to be honest. He's no longer the [dark hold] who scares children and treats everyone in a superior manner, grunting all the way. Dude's evolved beyond that.

Oh I was just referring to the DCAU version of Bruce, not every version of him. I pretty much agree with you. I like that he's going back to using the Yellow Oval. I love that Morrison goes back to his Silver Age past as well. However, I personally think that DCAU Bruce is the best version of Bruce, because he still cracked jokes, smiled, and was much more of a wise-ass than an [dark hold]. I thought this was especially done right as they got further and further into the JL stories, especially the JLU series.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 12, 2010, 02:12:27 AM
Oh I was just referring to the DCAU version of Bruce, not every version of him. I pretty much agree with you. I like that he's going back to using the Yellow Oval. I love that Morrison goes back to his Silver Age past as well. However, I personally think that DCAU Bruce is the best version of Bruce, because he still cracked jokes, smiled, and was much more of a wise-ass than an [dark hold]. I thought this was especially done right as they got further and further into the JL stories, especially the JLU series.
I like the DCAU characterization, but I'm not fond of the way he closed up towards everyone. I like the Silver Age version of Bruce, where him and Superman were best friends who had fun saving the world alot of times. I LOVE the way Frank Miller made Batman the grim bastard we know and love, but I have to admit that my favorite Batman isn't the street-level Bats, but the dude who not only can save the world in amazing ways, but can have fun doing it as well. I mean, the break he took with Robin to go visit the Legion of Heroes? Would he have accepted such a thing while being portrayed in his "loner" mood? He's one for group action now, lots of friends having fun and saving the world with his resourcefulness! Morrison's making Batman be dark and grim as he's always been, but still amazing, legendary, and with some goofy stuff. That's what I love about this.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 12, 2010, 02:24:06 AM
But that's pretty much what the DCAU Batman did as well. Sure, he was only a part-time member, but he clearly knew that the league needed him.

In terms of character development though, I'd really love to see what Geoff does with Aquaman & Mera.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 12, 2010, 02:31:34 AM
But that's pretty much what the DCAU Batman did as well. Sure, he was only a part-time member, but he clearly knew that the league needed him.

In terms of character development though, I'd really love to see what Geoff does with Aquaman & Mera.
Batman SAYS he's a part-time member simply so the league can't interfere with his matters. Dude's pretty much the leader. =P

And Aquaman seems to be led in a good direction, with the usual Rebirth formula. "Bring back the most authentic enemy from the past, and give them a reason to fear"
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 12, 2010, 02:34:27 AM
The only question now those is will Aquaman survive the Brightest Day. XD
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 12, 2010, 02:56:44 AM
The only question now those is will Aquaman survive the Brightest Day. XD
By kicking Black Manta's ASS. =P
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 12, 2010, 02:57:50 AM
Besides Black Manta & Ocean Master, I can't recall any other Aquaman rogues. It looks like Mera's sister might be one in the future.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 12, 2010, 03:10:39 AM
Besides Black Manta & Ocean Master, I can't recall any other Aquaman rogues. It looks like Mera's sister might be one in the future.
Basically just anyone who pollutes the ocean, poaches or does anything illegal in the sea, really.

The Aquaman/Etrigan Brave and the Bold comic already made him a badass in my eyes.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 12, 2010, 03:45:34 AM
Yeaaaah, Geoff needs to get to work and give him some more rogues.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 12, 2010, 04:05:34 AM
You know what I truly, TRULY hope they do? Keep Deadman alive. Seriously, he can keep the name, but nobody really cares much about him being dead in the first place. Him being alive could rejuvenate the character, make him relevant as some kind of guardian, probably the new White Lantern for good. Killing him again would be kinda dumb after all this.

...I'm SO glad Johns is planning on staying aboard DC for a long time. Since he handles Green Lantern so well, I really want him to stand true to his promise and keep writing it until he retires.

...or until he starts sucking, like Moore, Miller, Millar, Loeb and other comic book geniuses who went mad. =P He can go out the door then.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 12, 2010, 04:24:46 AM
I agree with keeping Deadman alive, but not him keeping the name. If he is to be the new White Lantern guardian, then call him LIFEMAN!  8)

Seriously though, I really like what he's doing with the characters in Brightest Day. He is breathing new life into them, both literally and figuratively. Yeah, Johns is my current favorite writer, and I hope he's with DC for a long long time. I think he will be though.
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Post by: Pyro on September 13, 2010, 09:44:18 PM
There's a rumor going around that all the major players in the Brightest Day biweekly are going to get their own series. Hawkman and Firestorm have my interest, Martian Manhunter and Deadman maybe, but I'll pass on Aquaman. I'm entirely sure why but Aquaman never appealed to me, all his supporting characters were far more enticing to me. Heck, Mera is the only reason why I'm following the Aquaman portions. That and Johns' writing with Reis' pencils.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 13, 2010, 09:47:18 PM
There's a rumor going around that all the major players in the Brightest Day biweekly are going to get their own series. Hawkman and Firestorm have my interest, Martian Manhunter and Deadman maybe, but I'll pass on Aquaman. I'm entirely sure why but Aquaman never appealed to me, all his supporting characters were far more enticing to me. Heck, Mera is the only reason why I'm following the Aquaman portions. That and Johns' writing with Reis' pencils.
Aquaman can be quite cool when he wants to.

I'll never forget that one line towards a villain:

"You're offering me control of the world above? I'm already a king of 72% of the planet. Why would I settle for less?"
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 13, 2010, 09:55:21 PM
The problem with a lot of them is that they don't have any real villains, save for a select few. I mean, Aquaman has Black Manta & Ocean Master, Firestorm has Killer Frost, J'onn has Malefic and...well no one, the Hawks have Shadow Thief, their long time tormenter who's name escapes me at the moment, and Deadman has no one cause he's dead.

So if they want to bring these characters back, I think they need to really revamp their worlds. Mind you, Geoff can do it, which is what Brightest Day might ultimately be about, but Geoff can't write every single issue of all these books.
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Post by: Pyro on September 14, 2010, 12:42:26 AM
Firestorm did have a respectable rogues gallery back in the day like the aforementioned Killer Frost, who isn't even the original. There was Multiplex, Typhoon, the Hyena (both dead from what I recall), Plastique, the Black Bison, and possibly a few others I missed. There are probably enough to make another go at a series but said series probably would last like Volume 3, which was 35 issues long. Volume 1 was axed at 6 issues because it came out during the DC implosion, and it's quite an astonishment that Volume 2 (alternately known as "The Fury of Firestorm") lasted 100 issues. Though part of that can be attributed to John Ostrander's run after creator Gerry Conway ran out of steam.

The more you know.  8D
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 14, 2010, 12:50:51 AM
Plastique was a Firestorm villain? Heh.
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Post by: Pyro on September 14, 2010, 01:50:35 AM
Her first appearance was in Fury of Firestorm #7 and she was a bit of an anachronism as a French-Canadian terrorist (the separatist kind) because the FLQ pretty much fizzled out ten years eariler.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 14, 2010, 02:05:16 AM
Firestorm's concept is pretty cool, but using him well in a story is very tricky. Specially with all the crazy [parasitic bomb] he can do.
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Post by: Pyro on September 14, 2010, 03:02:54 AM
Of course, they had to "dumb" down Ronnie a bit (not that he was ever the sharpest knife in the drawer) my making it so that it was through Martin Stein's (Firestorm's other half for a while) advanced knowledge of nuclear physics and chemistry that Firestorm was able to do what he did throughout the 80s. I think Stormy's biggest draw during his tenure in the Satellite League was that he was the inexperienced rookie who was starry-eyed when he saw what his teammates did. That and to give someone for the Flash and Aquaman to slap upside the head.  :V
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 14, 2010, 08:43:09 AM
Have they ever put a distance on his powers? Or a variety issue? I feel the dude could sometimes turn everything into everything, but other times he's just getting slapped around.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 14, 2010, 08:46:17 AM
Well, from what I remember, the Ronnie Firestorm's powers couldn't work on anything organic. But Jason Firestorm was different, so now I'm not sure.
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Post by: Waifu on September 14, 2010, 07:29:45 PM
Hey PB or Superbat, do you guys know of any comic books that are similar to Invincible where the hero has powers but deals with problmes in a human way? I gonna try the first Spider man comics but I need more stuff like this, its good.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 14, 2010, 09:08:47 PM
Invincible is hard to top in that regard, I'll admit. I'll also admit that I'm probably not the best person to ask in terms of that, because my favorite types of comics are the other-worldly type stuff, like Green Lantern, Flash, and so forth. I mean, Marvel heroes deal with problems in a human way. Hell, back in the day that's what actually separated them from DC.  Spider-Man & The FF were good examples of this. But I couldn't recommend anything from Marvel now because I haven't really liked the writing that has come from them lately.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 14, 2010, 10:39:31 PM
Hey PB or Superbat, do you guys know of any comic books that are similar to Invincible where the hero has powers but deals with problmes in a human way? I gonna try the first Spider man comics but I need more stuff like this, its good.
Like PB said, Invincible, and in general, most Marvel heroes. The problem that they're being written pretty badly right now is awful, and the fact that I'd only recomend the Cosmic books, and the Greg Pak Hulk and Hercules/Cho books, neither being realistic. I guess Fantastic Four shows a bit of quality, but honestly, they're not very realistic either.

The Power Girl series has actually been having quite alot of real life/secret identity stuff lately, as well as her solving alot of problems normally.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 14, 2010, 11:03:40 PM
The Power Girl series has actually been having quite alot of real life/secret identity stuff lately, as well as her solving alot of problems normally.

You know, I love when someone asked Power Girl why she reveals her cleavage like that and she told them it gives her an advantage in battle, as some of her enemies are distracted. XD
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 14, 2010, 11:11:12 PM
You know, I love when someone asked Power Girl why she reveals her cleavage like that and she told them it gives her an advantage in battle, as some of her enemies are distracted. XD
I kinda think she has the same reason as Black Canary's fishnets and high heels.

...because it looks good and she looks sexy in her costume. I'm thinking she likes that.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 14, 2010, 11:14:43 PM
I kinda think she has the same reason as Black Canary's fishnets and high heels.

...because it looks good and she looks sexy in her costume. I'm thinking she likes that.

And it can be a distraction for some of her more horny male criminals. Tactically speaking, it IS an advantage! XD
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 14, 2010, 11:22:17 PM
I don't understand what's the deal with lots of people saying superheroines are total sluts from the way many of them wear their outfits. I'm guessing they like to see themselves looking good, while they're wearing something colorful and which people wouldn't wear on a day-to-day basis.

I'm thinking male superheroes do the same. Even Batman. He looks scary, but still good.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 14, 2010, 11:25:18 PM
Oh I agree. I mean, it's a costume, not something they're wearing out to dinner. Plus, it's not like they act slutty.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 15, 2010, 12:54:17 AM
In other news, I think Ted Kord's outfit is probably the only one that looks as ridiculous in a comic as it does in real life. =P
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 15, 2010, 02:10:29 AM
I agree. Jaime's outfit is my favorite Blue Beetle outfit.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 15, 2010, 03:06:10 AM
I kinda like Ted more. Simply because of my incredible love for Blue and Gold.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 15, 2010, 03:12:39 AM
I think the problem with making a new Blue & Gold is that Booster Gold isn't really the same character as he was back then. He's grown more.
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Post by: Pyro on September 15, 2010, 04:52:34 AM
Part of it has to do with Jamie being a completely different character than Ted so the "Blue and Gold" dynamic wouldn't be the same though I must admit not being intimately familiar with Blue Beetle and Booster Gold. While I readily acknowledge that they are excellent characters in their own right like Aquaman, they are just not my cup of tea.

I don't know exactly why but I have a hard time recognizing them as being part of the Justice League. The most likely explanation is that I'm more of a Silver/Bronze Age fan so my League was always the Satellite League. But I admit that the Justice League International was a needed breath of fresh air and an improvement over the Detroit League: the line-up made for all the wrong reasons.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 15, 2010, 05:40:30 AM
Oh no, I was saying that even if they brought Ted back, I doubt it'd have the same Blue & Gold feel to it as the classic Blue & Gold mainly because Booster Gold has evolved more as a character.

I'm not saying it can't be done. Far from it.
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Post by: Gotham Ranger on September 15, 2010, 06:34:17 AM
Yay, I'm ALMOST at the Sinestro Corps War. Just need to read these Ion books and I can dive right in.
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Post by: Pyro on September 15, 2010, 06:36:46 AM
Oh no, I was saying that even if they brought Ted back, I doubt it'd have the same Blue & Gold feel to it as the classic Blue & Gold mainly because Booster Gold has evolved more as a character.

I'm not saying it can't be done. Far from it.


Ah, well-- anything's possible with Brightest Day still going on.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 15, 2010, 11:15:11 AM
Oh no, I was saying that even if they brought Ted back, I doubt it'd have the same Blue & Gold feel to it as the classic Blue & Gold mainly because Booster Gold has evolved more as a character.

I'm not saying it can't be done. Far from it.
You reading the current Booster Gold run? =P It IS being done. With time travel for exactly no story purposes other than bring back old JLI humor stories and awesome characters back.

And it does work. Booster's grown, yes, but he's still the same wacky guy he was before. He's just not so greedy now.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 15, 2010, 06:35:08 PM
You reading the current Booster Gold run? =P It IS being done. With time travel for exactly no story purposes other than bring back old JLI humor stories and awesome characters back.

And it does work. Booster's grown, yes, but he's still the same wacky guy he was before. He's just not so greedy now.

The last I read of Booster, he was time traveling around with his sister.

Either way, that's good though.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 15, 2010, 06:57:41 PM
The last I read of Booster, he was time traveling around with his sister.

Either way, that's good though.
New team of Booster Gold is the old JLI team.

...complete with signing their names in the beginning of each story with a humorous jab at people who worked on the comic.


Also, suspicions for Firestorm are confirmed in this new Brightest Day issue. The brain has to know the formulas for the powers to work. Which leaves Jason kinda powerless as the brain.

...honestly, with that ending, he won't be necessary anyway. =P
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 15, 2010, 07:07:12 PM
Wait? Jason or Ronnie? Because Jason was the smarter one of the two.

LoL, I've got to get to the comic shop later today! XD
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 15, 2010, 08:04:48 PM
Wait? Jason or Ronnie? Because Jason was the smarter one of the two.

LoL, I've got to get to the comic shop later today! XD
Sorry. It's Ronnie. I'm still fairly new to Firestorm.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 15, 2010, 08:09:07 PM
Sorry. It's Ronnie. I'm still fairly new to Firestorm.

I've always liked the powers & character design.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 15, 2010, 08:27:48 PM
I've always liked the powers & character design.
Me too. But he doesn't really show up in alot of comics...
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 15, 2010, 08:39:01 PM
Me too. But he doesn't really show up in alot of comics...

I think it has a lot to do with his level of power and not exactly knowing what to do with the character.

This is where I hope Geoff Geoff's in and fixes that! XD
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 15, 2010, 08:44:55 PM
I think it has a lot to do with his level of power and not exactly knowing what to do with the character.

This is where I hope Geoff Geoff's in and fixes that! XD
Uncle Johns is gonna fix it right. Heck, Green Lantern's power is also questionable, but Geoff made it reasoneable.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 15, 2010, 08:51:54 PM
Also made the Speed Force even more awesome!

He's great!  8D
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 15, 2010, 09:02:20 PM
Also made the Speed Force even more awesome!

He's great!  8D
Yeah, although the "Barry Allen made me the Flash" thing was a bit too much. >_>;;;
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 15, 2010, 09:03:36 PM
Heh, I kinda liked that! XD
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 15, 2010, 09:04:57 PM
Yeah, but one thing Johns does, is that he kinda overhypes certain characters a bit. =P

While GL: Rebirth kept getting more and more awesome, Flash: Rebirth got to the epitome of awesome at the end of the 4th issue, and then it got boring.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 15, 2010, 09:09:34 PM
I disagree. I thought it was great the whole way through, with all the Flashes coming together, the resolution with the twins, and so on! XD
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 15, 2010, 10:41:01 PM
I thought it was bad due to two things.

Zoom retconning Barry's past by being to blame for EVERYTHING EVER.
The conclusion coming so fast, without any kind of fight or any kind of conflict, them just leading him into the machine was VERY anticlimatic.

Do you remember the ending of GL: Rebirth? The fight with Sinestro, the way the oath was said in that big splash page, the comebacks, the way "Give up God damn you." "I don't know how" caused manly tears?

Flash Rebirth was a disappointment mostly because of the constant delays, and the fact that Van Sciver's art doesn't just fit in everything, to be honest. The last few pages don't give a very good impression and seem rushed.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 15, 2010, 10:48:11 PM
I do think that Van Sciver's art is better suited for GL than Flash, but I thought it was done well.  I agree that the ending art could've been better. The art in the current comic though is fantastic.

To be honest, I really liked the Zoom aspect to Barry's life. It's unique, it's downright [tornado fang]ing twisted, and it's a new take on evil & villainy that's never really been explored before, I think ever.  Yeah, the ending was very anti-climatic and fast, but it didn't really bother me due to the overall quality of the rest of the series, IMO. The ending still gave me the same GL: Rebirth feeling in the end that Geoff Johns was about to craft a whole new direction and universe for the characters.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 15, 2010, 11:09:54 PM
I understand. BTW, allow me to post something which has really explained the way I feel about that ever-recurring subject here in this topic. I read this on /co/, and it seemed pretty fit for this.


"1995 was not a particularly good year. Sixth grade and the onset of puberty are difficult enough for the average twelve year-old boy, let alone a friendless one with Tourette Syndrome and an unfailing ability to alienate everyone around him. I suppose that is why, in the midst of the much-derided “Clone Saga,” that I began a life-long love affair with comic books, and with the Amazing Spider-Man in particular. In Peter Parker, I found a sort of salvation. Here was a man who was hopelessly at odds with the world around him, completely consumed by the weight of his own guilt. Nevertheless, he was a man who fought endlessly to protect those unable to protect themselves, and who went home every night to a woman whose physical beauty was matched only by the depths of compassion and love in her soul.

I cannot overstate how much that meant to me; a role model, however fictional, who suffered the same ostracism at the hands of his peers as I did mine, but who eventually grew out of it. He gained the respect of his classmates, the friendship of his high school nemesis, and the love of a beautiful woman. In short, he went through hell and came out on top. Granted, he would occasionally deal with minor setbacks (being framed for murder, thinking he was a clone, John Byrne), but he always rose above it all. Your time is too valuable to be spent reading yet another diatribe against the editorial decision to allow Peter Parker (the man who could not bring himself to kill the arch-enemy who both knew his secret identity and who had casually extinguished the life of his first great love) make a deal with the Marvel analogue of Satan. Far too much has already been written about “One More Day,” from CAPITAL LETTER RANTS penned by John Q. Fanboy to articles by commentators far more eloquent than I. No, instead, I thought I might offer a slightly more personal reflection on the controversy, especially in light of the recently concluded “One Moment in Time.”

Peter Parker has always been a uniquely organic character within the framework of the greater Marvel Universe. He graduated high school and fell in love, only to have both his heart and the metaphorical innocence of the silver age of comics ripped violently away. A character that had been previously written as little more than a “party-girl” foil for the sainted Gwen Stacy ended up pulling him back from the well of his grief. Peter and Mary Jane fell in love, only for the uncertainty of youth to pull them apart. Our hero tried his luck with a romance based on the mask rather than the man, yet found himself inexorably pulled back to Mary Jane Watson. Shortly thereafter, they married. Mary Jane was a woman who, unlike dear Gwen, knew of Peter’s double life and loved him all the more for it. Peter replaced self-aggrandizing photography (a holdover from Ditko’s interest in Randian philosophy that was always in tension with Peter’s role as a hero) with the selfless life of a teacher. Finally, he shattered the mold of the “loser loner” with his acceptance into the lofty ranks of Earth’s Mightiest Heroes. In short, he grew up.

As my adolescent life became increasingly unappealing, I found myself escaping more and more into the life of Peter Parker. It did not matter if the stories were “Marvel Tales” reprints, new issues bearing a hefty $1.50 cover price, or those rare, musty gems that were stumbled upon during a treasured Saturday at the comic shop while my long- suffering father waited patiently in the car grading papers. Every outlet into the world of Peter Parker was a lifeline; every glimpse of that world was a sign from God that if I refused to surrender to the contempt of my peers and my own self-loathing, I would make it through the day. I would end up a winner, like Peter.

In first college and then law school, I found life changed more suddenly and dramatically than I would have thought possible. Although I still don’t quite understand how it happened, I found my Tourette Syndrome under control and women showing an interest in me. Where before I was literally without a friend in the world, I now had the enviable task of choosing which group of friends with which I would spend my evening. At the same time, JMS and Mark Millar were masterfully writing tales of Peter and Mary Jane Watson Parker as mature and grounded late 20-somethings who triumphed over the trials life put in their way by drawing on their love for each other. All was right with the world.

When “One More Day” hit the stands, I was not particularly bothered by it on an emotional level. While I was disgusted over the decision to end the marriage in the hopes of making Peter more marketable (It is no coincidence that sales plummeted when “Brand New Day” reduced Peter to a pathetic hard-luck loser just as they did when John Byrne had Peter sleeping on the streets), the methodology was so mind-numbingly absurd that it failed to elicit emotion reaction.

However, where “One More Day” failed to weigh on my mind, “One Moment In Time” has succeeded in leaving an indelible scar on my soul. Please, do not think me prone to hyperbole, but that storyline has legitimately made me question the passion for comic books that I have had for the majority of my 27 years on this Earth.

Where J.M. DeMatteis’ magnum Spider-Man opus “The Gift” (Amazing Spider-Man #400) celebrated the indefatigable bonds of love between Peter, Mary Jane and May Parker, “One Moment in Time” reduced them to a maudlin caricature of what had gone before. I am not going to rehash the plot points of “One Moment in Time,” as I assume anyone who has actually read this far into this self -indulgent little essay has a general familiarity with what occurred. Suffice to say, the wedding never happened, and at story’s end, Mary Jane “frees” Peter from the “burden” of their failed relationship.

The personal poignancy of the story is made all the worse by recent events in my own life as (knock on wood) I have found my own happy ending. I am practicing law by day, while spending my nights and weekends with my own, personal Mary Jane Watson.

For three years now, I have been blessed with the love of one of those beautiful “popular girls,” something I would have thought impossible in high school. Imagine, then, my difficulty in reading a story where, in Peter Parker’s post- Faustian world, his once greatest source of strength has been perverted into a burden. Apparently, Peter need no longer feel guilty when he has drunken one-night stands, let alone casual sex with two woman in the space of five issues (Yes, this actually happened in a Spider-Man comic).

As I come to a close, I am reminded of Alan Moore’s message to comic book readers while writing as Dan Dreiberg. He tells us that we must never fall into the trap of letting habit replace passion. While my love for stories like “Kraven’s Last Hunt,” “The Child Within,” and Mark Millar’s nameless run on Marvel Knight’s Spider-Man will never fade, my passion for the ongoing adventures of Peter Parker has been replaced with the monotonous habit of reading comic books for the sake of reading comic books. I began this essay with a quote that I now return to now.

“Today. Today. My best friend. The best person I’ve ever known-set me free.” During what I can only pray was the darkest period of my life, Peter Parker was my best friend. I grew up with him, and now it is time to say goodbye. In a sense, he was the best person I have ever known, and with the conclusion of “One Moment in Time,” he has set me free."


It is quite well-written. And I feel the same way. I read alot of Spidey growing up, and to see this set in words... I think this last comic made alot of fans realise how much this means. It means they're free. No need to keep following something they really shouldn't look forward to. No sense to keep reading garbage simply due to force of habit. This is good.

I pretty much know that... if I EVER read a Marvel Spider-Man comic again, it won't be for a long, long time.

...newspaper strip still rules. Go Stan!
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Post by: Flame on September 16, 2010, 12:01:49 AM
The only Spider Man I keep up with is the Newspaper strip one. But it goes all week, and I only get the paper sundays so I miss out on a lot.

Also, the Phantom. Thats still Weekly, and still awesome. Every sunday paper, I look forward to the Phantom to balance out all the typical Sunday funnies humor.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 16, 2010, 01:52:39 AM
I understand. BTW, allow me to post something which has really explained the way I feel about that ever-recurring subject here in this topic. I read this on /co/, and it seemed pretty fit for this.


"1995 was not a particularly good year. Sixth grade and the onset of puberty are difficult enough for the average twelve year-old boy, let alone a friendless one with Tourette Syndrome and an unfailing ability to alienate everyone around him. I suppose that is why, in the midst of the much-derided “Clone Saga,” that I began a life-long love affair with comic books, and with the Amazing Spider-Man in particular. In Peter Parker, I found a sort of salvation. Here was a man who was hopelessly at odds with the world around him, completely consumed by the weight of his own guilt. Nevertheless, he was a man who fought endlessly to protect those unable to protect themselves, and who went home every night to a woman whose physical beauty was matched only by the depths of compassion and love in her soul.

I cannot overstate how much that meant to me; a role model, however fictional, who suffered the same ostracism at the hands of his peers as I did mine, but who eventually grew out of it. He gained the respect of his classmates, the friendship of his high school nemesis, and the love of a beautiful woman. In short, he went through hell and came out on top. Granted, he would occasionally deal with minor setbacks (being framed for murder, thinking he was a clone, John Byrne), but he always rose above it all. Your time is too valuable to be spent reading yet another diatribe against the editorial decision to allow Peter Parker (the man who could not bring himself to kill the arch-enemy who both knew his secret identity and who had casually extinguished the life of his first great love) make a deal with the Marvel analogue of Satan. Far too much has already been written about “One More Day,” from CAPITAL LETTER RANTS penned by John Q. Fanboy to articles by commentators far more eloquent than I. No, instead, I thought I might offer a slightly more personal reflection on the controversy, especially in light of the recently concluded “One Moment in Time.”

Peter Parker has always been a uniquely organic character within the framework of the greater Marvel Universe. He graduated high school and fell in love, only to have both his heart and the metaphorical innocence of the silver age of comics ripped violently away. A character that had been previously written as little more than a “party-girl” foil for the sainted Gwen Stacy ended up pulling him back from the well of his grief. Peter and Mary Jane fell in love, only for the uncertainty of youth to pull them apart. Our hero tried his luck with a romance based on the mask rather than the man, yet found himself inexorably pulled back to Mary Jane Watson. Shortly thereafter, they married. Mary Jane was a woman who, unlike dear Gwen, knew of Peter’s double life and loved him all the more for it. Peter replaced self-aggrandizing photography (a holdover from Ditko’s interest in Randian philosophy that was always in tension with Peter’s role as a hero) with the selfless life of a teacher. Finally, he shattered the mold of the “loser loner” with his acceptance into the lofty ranks of Earth’s Mightiest Heroes. In short, he grew up.

As my adolescent life became increasingly unappealing, I found myself escaping more and more into the life of Peter Parker. It did not matter if the stories were “Marvel Tales” reprints, new issues bearing a hefty $1.50 cover price, or those rare, musty gems that were stumbled upon during a treasured Saturday at the comic shop while my long- suffering father waited patiently in the car grading papers. Every outlet into the world of Peter Parker was a lifeline; every glimpse of that world was a sign from God that if I refused to surrender to the contempt of my peers and my own self-loathing, I would make it through the day. I would end up a winner, like Peter.

In first college and then law school, I found life changed more suddenly and dramatically than I would have thought possible. Although I still don’t quite understand how it happened, I found my Tourette Syndrome under control and women showing an interest in me. Where before I was literally without a friend in the world, I now had the enviable task of choosing which group of friends with which I would spend my evening. At the same time, JMS and Mark Millar were masterfully writing tales of Peter and Mary Jane Watson Parker as mature and grounded late 20-somethings who triumphed over the trials life put in their way by drawing on their love for each other. All was right with the world.

When “One More Day” hit the stands, I was not particularly bothered by it on an emotional level. While I was disgusted over the decision to end the marriage in the hopes of making Peter more marketable (It is no coincidence that sales plummeted when “Brand New Day” reduced Peter to a pathetic hard-luck loser just as they did when John Byrne had Peter sleeping on the streets), the methodology was so mind-numbingly absurd that it failed to elicit emotion reaction.

However, where “One More Day” failed to weigh on my mind, “One Moment In Time” has succeeded in leaving an indelible scar on my soul. Please, do not think me prone to hyperbole, but that storyline has legitimately made me question the passion for comic books that I have had for the majority of my 27 years on this Earth.

Where J.M. DeMatteis’ magnum Spider-Man opus “The Gift” (Amazing Spider-Man #400) celebrated the indefatigable bonds of love between Peter, Mary Jane and May Parker, “One Moment in Time” reduced them to a maudlin caricature of what had gone before. I am not going to rehash the plot points of “One Moment in Time,” as I assume anyone who has actually read this far into this self -indulgent little essay has a general familiarity with what occurred. Suffice to say, the wedding never happened, and at story’s end, Mary Jane “frees” Peter from the “burden” of their failed relationship.

The personal poignancy of the story is made all the worse by recent events in my own life as (knock on wood) I have found my own happy ending. I am practicing law by day, while spending my nights and weekends with my own, personal Mary Jane Watson.

For three years now, I have been blessed with the love of one of those beautiful “popular girls,” something I would have thought impossible in high school. Imagine, then, my difficulty in reading a story where, in Peter Parker’s post- Faustian world, his once greatest source of strength has been perverted into a burden. Apparently, Peter need no longer feel guilty when he has drunken one-night stands, let alone casual sex with two woman in the space of five issues (Yes, this actually happened in a Spider-Man comic).

As I come to a close, I am reminded of Alan Moore’s message to comic book readers while writing as Dan Dreiberg. He tells us that we must never fall into the trap of letting habit replace passion. While my love for stories like “Kraven’s Last Hunt,” “The Child Within,” and Mark Millar’s nameless run on Marvel Knight’s Spider-Man will never fade, my passion for the ongoing adventures of Peter Parker has been replaced with the monotonous habit of reading comic books for the sake of reading comic books. I began this essay with a quote that I now return to now.

“Today. Today. My best friend. The best person I’ve ever known-set me free.” During what I can only pray was the darkest period of my life, Peter Parker was my best friend. I grew up with him, and now it is time to say goodbye. In a sense, he was the best person I have ever known, and with the conclusion of “One Moment in Time,” he has set me free."


It is quite well-written. And I feel the same way. I read alot of Spidey growing up, and to see this set in words... I think this last comic made alot of fans realise how much this means. It means they're free. No need to keep following something they really shouldn't look forward to. No sense to keep reading garbage simply due to force of habit. This is good.

I pretty much know that... if I EVER read a Marvel Spider-Man comic again, it won't be for a long, long time.

...newspaper strip still rules. Go Stan!

 :'(

[tornado fang]ing beautiful and [tornado fang]ing tragic. He has pretty much stated exactly why I had such an issue with OMD, and why it's such a tragedy. This is PRECISELY why I always considered Peter Parker to be a hero to all nerds, more so than perhaps any other super-hero out there.

I am happy that this person found his Mary Jane, and I'm pretty sure he won't sell his love for her to Mephisto.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on September 16, 2010, 03:15:23 AM
I understand. BTW, allow me to post something which has really explained the way I feel about that ever-recurring subject here in this topic. I read this on /co/, and it seemed pretty fit for this.


"1995 was not a particularly good year. Sixth grade and the onset of puberty are difficult enough for the average twelve year-old boy, let alone a friendless one with Tourette Syndrome and an unfailing ability to alienate everyone around him. I suppose that is why, in the midst of the much-derided “Clone Saga,” that I began a life-long love affair with comic books, and with the Amazing Spider-Man in particular. In Peter Parker, I found a sort of salvation. Here was a man who was hopelessly at odds with the world around him, completely consumed by the weight of his own guilt. Nevertheless, he was a man who fought endlessly to protect those unable to protect themselves, and who went home every night to a woman whose physical beauty was matched only by the depths of compassion and love in her soul.

I cannot overstate how much that meant to me; a role model, however fictional, who suffered the same ostracism at the hands of his peers as I did mine, but who eventually grew out of it. He gained the respect of his classmates, the friendship of his high school nemesis, and the love of a beautiful woman. In short, he went through hell and came out on top. Granted, he would occasionally deal with minor setbacks (being framed for murder, thinking he was a clone, John Byrne), but he always rose above it all. Your time is too valuable to be spent reading yet another diatribe against the editorial decision to allow Peter Parker (the man who could not bring himself to kill the arch-enemy who both knew his secret identity and who had casually extinguished the life of his first great love) make a deal with the Marvel analogue of Satan. Far too much has already been written about “One More Day,” from CAPITAL LETTER RANTS penned by John Q. Fanboy to articles by commentators far more eloquent than I. No, instead, I thought I might offer a slightly more personal reflection on the controversy, especially in light of the recently concluded “One Moment in Time.”

Peter Parker has always been a uniquely organic character within the framework of the greater Marvel Universe. He graduated high school and fell in love, only to have both his heart and the metaphorical innocence of the silver age of comics ripped violently away. A character that had been previously written as little more than a “party-girl” foil for the sainted Gwen Stacy ended up pulling him back from the well of his grief. Peter and Mary Jane fell in love, only for the uncertainty of youth to pull them apart. Our hero tried his luck with a romance based on the mask rather than the man, yet found himself inexorably pulled back to Mary Jane Watson. Shortly thereafter, they married. Mary Jane was a woman who, unlike dear Gwen, knew of Peter’s double life and loved him all the more for it. Peter replaced self-aggrandizing photography (a holdover from Ditko’s interest in Randian philosophy that was always in tension with Peter’s role as a hero) with the selfless life of a teacher. Finally, he shattered the mold of the “loser loner” with his acceptance into the lofty ranks of Earth’s Mightiest Heroes. In short, he grew up.

As my adolescent life became increasingly unappealing, I found myself escaping more and more into the life of Peter Parker. It did not matter if the stories were “Marvel Tales” reprints, new issues bearing a hefty $1.50 cover price, or those rare, musty gems that were stumbled upon during a treasured Saturday at the comic shop while my long- suffering father waited patiently in the car grading papers. Every outlet into the world of Peter Parker was a lifeline; every glimpse of that world was a sign from God that if I refused to surrender to the contempt of my peers and my own self-loathing, I would make it through the day. I would end up a winner, like Peter.

In first college and then law school, I found life changed more suddenly and dramatically than I would have thought possible. Although I still don’t quite understand how it happened, I found my Tourette Syndrome under control and women showing an interest in me. Where before I was literally without a friend in the world, I now had the enviable task of choosing which group of friends with which I would spend my evening. At the same time, JMS and Mark Millar were masterfully writing tales of Peter and Mary Jane Watson Parker as mature and grounded late 20-somethings who triumphed over the trials life put in their way by drawing on their love for each other. All was right with the world.

When “One More Day” hit the stands, I was not particularly bothered by it on an emotional level. While I was disgusted over the decision to end the marriage in the hopes of making Peter more marketable (It is no coincidence that sales plummeted when “Brand New Day” reduced Peter to a pathetic hard-luck loser just as they did when John Byrne had Peter sleeping on the streets), the methodology was so mind-numbingly absurd that it failed to elicit emotion reaction.

However, where “One More Day” failed to weigh on my mind, “One Moment In Time” has succeeded in leaving an indelible scar on my soul. Please, do not think me prone to hyperbole, but that storyline has legitimately made me question the passion for comic books that I have had for the majority of my 27 years on this Earth.

Where J.M. DeMatteis’ magnum Spider-Man opus “The Gift” (Amazing Spider-Man #400) celebrated the indefatigable bonds of love between Peter, Mary Jane and May Parker, “One Moment in Time” reduced them to a maudlin caricature of what had gone before. I am not going to rehash the plot points of “One Moment in Time,” as I assume anyone who has actually read this far into this self -indulgent little essay has a general familiarity with what occurred. Suffice to say, the wedding never happened, and at story’s end, Mary Jane “frees” Peter from the “burden” of their failed relationship.

The personal poignancy of the story is made all the worse by recent events in my own life as (knock on wood) I have found my own happy ending. I am practicing law by day, while spending my nights and weekends with my own, personal Mary Jane Watson.

For three years now, I have been blessed with the love of one of those beautiful “popular girls,” something I would have thought impossible in high school. Imagine, then, my difficulty in reading a story where, in Peter Parker’s post- Faustian world, his once greatest source of strength has been perverted into a burden. Apparently, Peter need no longer feel guilty when he has drunken one-night stands, let alone casual sex with two woman in the space of five issues (Yes, this actually happened in a Spider-Man comic).

As I come to a close, I am reminded of Alan Moore’s message to comic book readers while writing as Dan Dreiberg. He tells us that we must never fall into the trap of letting habit replace passion. While my love for stories like “Kraven’s Last Hunt,” “The Child Within,” and Mark Millar’s nameless run on Marvel Knight’s Spider-Man will never fade, my passion for the ongoing adventures of Peter Parker has been replaced with the monotonous habit of reading comic books for the sake of reading comic books. I began this essay with a quote that I now return to now.

“Today. Today. My best friend. The best person I’ve ever known-set me free.” During what I can only pray was the darkest period of my life, Peter Parker was my best friend. I grew up with him, and now it is time to say goodbye. In a sense, he was the best person I have ever known, and with the conclusion of “One Moment in Time,” he has set me free."


It is quite well-written. And I feel the same way. I read alot of Spidey growing up, and to see this set in words... I think this last comic made alot of fans realise how much this means. It means they're free. No need to keep following something they really shouldn't look forward to. No sense to keep reading garbage simply due to force of habit. This is good.

I pretty much know that... if I EVER read a Marvel Spider-Man comic again, it won't be for a long, long time.

...newspaper strip still rules. Go Stan!

QFT, man.

Did Joey Q forget that most of the comic's consumer base is aging nerds like us? If you ask me, the marriage was never the reason for declining sales it was a combination of horrid storytelling through the 90s and the fact that comic books have more competition now than there was when he was popping zits. There isn't really much I can add to that.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on September 16, 2010, 08:42:30 AM
I'm beginning to wonder if Joe "Quesadilla" was ever truly a nerd.  Perhaps he was a jock or a bully and therefore cannot seem to understand nerds.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 16, 2010, 08:51:29 AM
He's probably just a loser fanboy who had a certain vision of Spider-Man and didn't care anything about the character. Clearly.

Oh yeah, can you send me the link to that, Superbat?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 16, 2010, 10:09:05 AM
4chan, dude. /co/. It's gone, man.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 16, 2010, 08:16:26 PM
Ahhhh okay. Thanx.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 17, 2010, 08:23:57 PM
We have some awesome Multiversity news here. Morrison's gonna Morrison like he never Morrisoned before.

Quote
    We thought it would be appropriate to re-think and update the kind of in-your-face self-relecting narrative techniques used by Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons and to apply them to a whole new story which asks ‘what if Watchmen had been conceived now, in the contemporary political landscape and with the Charlton characters themselves, rather than analogues?

    So the cover hs a close-up on a burning peace flag and a Delmore Schwartz quote – ‘Time is the school in which we learn, time is the fire in which we burn’ – and it all blossoms from there.


Oh, and if Alan Moore bitches about the lack of creativity at DC today, saying all stories have been his own stories remade...

Quote
They’re designed to be told over and over again. If you were an Aboriginal kid or a tribal shaman, that’s what you’d do, you’d participate in the recycling of old stories, the ‘revamping’ of characters and scenarios, the explaining away of plot holes. Some to the job with more skill than others, but if you work with Marvel, DC or other companies’ pulp fiction characters, you’re basically repainting pictures of the ancestors on cave walls.

Basically, [tornado fang] OFF, ALAN MOORE. MORRISON IS GOD OF COMICS NOW.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 17, 2010, 08:40:13 PM
Heh. Interesting indeed.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on September 17, 2010, 10:28:39 PM
Basically, [tornado fang] OFF, ALAN MOORE. MORRISON IS GOD OF COMICS NOW.

Come to think of it, has Alan Moore written anything of note over the past five years?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 17, 2010, 10:42:06 PM
Come to think of it, has Alan Moore written anything of note over the past five years?

No, I'm pretty sure he's gone even further off the deep end.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 17, 2010, 10:59:18 PM
He's been degrading more and more every year.

In his last few moments of brilliance, he delivered epics like Tom Strong and League of Extraordinary Gentlemen while writing [parasitic bomb] like porn and zines.

...he hasn't produced something good since 2006 or so. League is recent, so I guess I dunno if that counts...
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 17, 2010, 11:07:11 PM
Speaking of God Morrison, I really want him to make a new New Gods comic.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 17, 2010, 11:24:29 PM
I dunno if that would be a good fit for him. See, while Jack Kirby made the New Gods into amazing cosmic forces colliding and doing epic crazy [parasitic bomb], Morrison prefers the New Gods to be ideas in a platonic world. Something more serious. An actual New Gods comic would have to change the style completely and go All-Star style.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 18, 2010, 12:25:47 AM
I love when he writes New Gods stuff though. JLA: Rock of Ages was excellent, and I just think it's such a perfect fit for him.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 18, 2010, 12:38:30 AM
I love when he writes New Gods stuff though. JLA: Rock of Ages was excellent, and I just think it's such a perfect fit for him.
Yeah. But in the current DC, they oughta give the New Gods a rest. They're good for the IMMENSE EPIC every ten years or so.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 18, 2010, 12:55:51 AM
Yeah. But in the current DC, they oughta give the New Gods a rest. They're good for the IMMENSE EPIC every ten years or so.

NO! I WANT IT NOW!  8D
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 18, 2010, 01:53:46 AM
They should rest up on the massive events. Even Brightest Day seems to be business as usual, without alot of immense epic happening. That's good. Plus, giving relevance to older characters, making new ones that are cool... Seems to be all on the right track.

BLACK MANTA VERSUS AQUAMAN BATTLE ON THE NEXT ISSUE [tornado fang] YEAH
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on September 18, 2010, 01:56:45 AM
I told my brother that he'd be happy with the next issue as he loves the Black Manta.  Too bad he hasn't started reading the comics yet.  Getting him to read them will be tough as he has alotta catching up to do.

Oh, and while I was getting my comics, the clerk mentioned a planned Larfleeze Christmas Special.  That totally made my day.  Hell, what would be super awesome is if it were animated.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 18, 2010, 02:00:51 AM
(http://i.newsarama.com/images/GL-Larfleeze-Xmas2010.jpg)

Indeed. Already got mine pre-ordered!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on September 18, 2010, 02:01:56 AM
[tornado fang] yes!  If I can get to the store this evening, I'm gonna do the same.  Or at least tell the clerk to add it to my subscription service.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 18, 2010, 02:13:14 AM
Cannot wait till that comes out!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on September 18, 2010, 02:19:57 AM
Is he holding a bottle of beer? XD

And what would truly make that even better is if DC decided "Hey, let's make an animated version of it!"
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 18, 2010, 02:21:42 AM
I'm pretty sure that's a bottle of Champagne over beer! LoL, although why he's holding the gun is another question all together.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on September 18, 2010, 02:38:55 AM
Perhaps it's a Nerf gun.  Larfleeze should totally have a Nerf gun.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 18, 2010, 02:54:11 AM
That's one of those guns bathed in gold that rappers have and pose with. Look at the chains around him! Larfleeze has DISCOVERED BLING!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 18, 2010, 03:03:27 AM
Hahahahaha, you're right!

He really is one of the greatest new character in recent comic history.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on September 18, 2010, 03:34:39 AM
He totally needs to be animated.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 18, 2010, 03:38:28 AM
i think the whole Green Lantern universe needs to be animated.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 18, 2010, 03:44:51 AM
Emerald Warriors is one of the next DC movies (sequel to First Flight), and the animated series starts next year, after the movie.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on September 18, 2010, 03:45:27 AM
Nice.  Any relation to the Emerald Warriors series that just started, or is it in name only?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 18, 2010, 03:46:24 AM
If it's a sequel, then most likely it has no tie in to the comic of the same name.

And yeah, the animated series will hopefully be good.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Acid on September 18, 2010, 03:48:45 AM
(http://i.newsarama.com/images/GL-Larfleeze-Xmas2010.jpg)

Indeed. Already got mine pre-ordered!

Calling it now:

This will be a parody of/homage to Dr. Seuss' Grinch
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 18, 2010, 03:54:31 AM
Calling it now:

This will be a parody of/homage to Dr. Seuss' Grinch
>Implying fans haven't got that covered yet

Quote
Every Green Lantern
Down on Mogo
Shared Christmas a lot...
But Larfleeze,
Who's Lantern was of Orange,
Did NOT!
This Larfleeze wanted Christmas! The whole Christmas season!
Now, please don't ask why. No one quite knows the reason.
It could be that his ring wasn't screwed on quite right.
It could be, perhaps, that his spectrum was too bright.
But I think that the most likely reason of all
May have been that his greed made everything his call.
But,
Whatever the reason,
His ring or his spectrum,
He floated there in space, hating those Lanterns,
Staring down with his cravings with a sour, Larfleeze frown
At the green lighted windows below in their town.
For he knew every GL down in Mogo beneath
Was busy now, willing a green mistleoe wreath.
"And they're hanging MY stockings!" he snarled with a sneer.
"Tomorrow is Christmas! It's all MINE you hear!"
Then he growled, with his Fleezy fingers round his Lantern tight as can be,
"I MUST find a way to keep Christmas just for me!"
For, tomorrow, he knew...
...All the GL girls and boys
Would wake up bright and early. They'd rush for HIS toys!
And then! Oh, the noise! Oh, the noise! Noise! Noise! Noise!
That's another thing he wanted! The NOISE! NOISE! NOISE! NOISE!
Then the Lanterns, young and old, would sit down to HIS feast.
And they'd feast! And they'd feast!
And they'd FEAST! FEAST! FEAST! FEAST!
They would eat his Rann-pudding, and rare Thangarian-roast-beast!
For you see Larfleeze wanted every morsel they'd all have the LEAST!!
And THEN
They'd do something he liked least of all!
Every GL down on Mogo, the tall and the small,
Would stand close together, with Lantern Oath ringing.
They'd stand hand-in-hand. And all his rings would start slinging!
They'd sling! And they'd sling!
AND they'd SLING! SLING! SLING! SLING!
And the more Larfleeze thought of the Green-Will-Christmas-Sling
The more the 'Fleeze thought, "I must have this whole thing!
"Why for fifty-three years I've wanted it now!
I MUST have Christmas MINE for the keeping!
...But HOW?"
Then he got an idea!
An awful idea!
LARFLEEZE HAS ALL WONDERFUL, AWFUL IDEAS!
"I know just what to do!" The 'Fleeze Laughed in his throat.
And he brought forth an orange Santy Claus hat and a coat.
And he chuckled, and clucked, "MY, What a great Fleezy trick!
"With this coat and this hat, that I took from Saint Nick!"
"I need is all his reindeer..."
Larfleeze looked around.
But since reindeer that fly Black Lanterns ate all last year, there was none to be found.
Did that stop the old Larfleeze...?
No! Lar' simply said,
"If I can't find a reindeer, I'll make one instead!"
So he called his agents forward. Then he took some red thread
And he tied a big horn on top of their heads.
THEN
He stole some bags
And anything to hold his payments
On a ramshakle sleigh
He hitched up his agents.

Then Larfleeze said, "Giddyap!"
And the sleigh started down
Toward the homes where the GLs
Lay a-snooze in the town.
All their rings were quite dark. Quiet snow fell on Mogo.
And the Lanterns all dreaming sweet dreams without Sinesto
When he came to the first construct in the square.
"This is stop number one," The old Larfleeze Claus hissed
And he flew to the roof, empty bags in his fist.
Then he slid down the chimney. A rather tight squeeze.
But if Santa could do it, then so could the Fleeze.
He got stuck only once, for a moment or two.
Then he stuck his head out of the fireplace flue
Where the little Lantern batteries all hung in a row.
"These Batteries," he grinned, "are my first things I stow!"
Then he slithered and slunk, with a smile most unpleasant,
Around the whole room, and he took every ring present!
From Gardner! And Rayner! ! Saarek!
Ch'p! Turytt! Perdoo! And Gpaak!
And he stuffed them in bags. Then Larfleeze, very nimbly,
Stuffed all HIS bags, one by one, up the chimney!
Then he slunk to the icebox. He took the GL' feast!
He took the Rann-pudding! He took the Thanagarian-roast beast!
He cleaned out that icebox as quicker than flash.
Why, that Orange even took their last can of Kryptonian-hash!
Then he stuffed all the food up the chimney with glee.
"And NOW!" grinned Larfleeze, "I will stuff up MY CENTRAL BATTERY!!"
And the Fleeze grabbed the Power Source, and he started to shove
When he heard a small sound like the coo of a dove.
He turned around fast, and he saw a small Black Lantern!
Little Katma Tui, who died in Action Comics Weekly #601-602!
The Fleeze had been caught by this little Zombie covert
Who'd rose from the dead to steal the heart of John Stewart.
She stared at Larfleeze and said, "Santy Claus, why,
"Why is greed all I see? WHY?"
But, you know, that old 'Fleeze was so smart and so slick
He thought up a lie, and he thought it up quick!
"Why, my sweet little corpse," the fake Fleezy Claus lied,
"This willpower core won't light on one side.
"So I'm taking it home to my workshop, on Maltus.
"I'll bring it back there. Then I'll be glad for you to kill us!"
And his fib fooled the corpse. Then he patted her head
And he led her to Stewart's and he sent her to his bed.
And when Katma Tui , went to a bed for her sup'.
HE went to the chimney and stuffed the battery up!
Then the last thing he took
Was the Kilowog's green ringlet.
Then he went up the chimney himself, the old piglet.
On their hands he left nothing but empty fingers, and
green singlet.

And the one speck of food
That he left in the fort
Was a crumb that was even too small for G'nort.
Then
He did the same thing
To the other Lantern homes
Taking all
That he saw
For he knew it was time to call in his loans!
It was quarter past dawn...
All the GLs, still a-bed
All the GLs, still a-snooze
When he packed up his sled,
Packed it up like a wiz! The Rings! The Batteries!
All his! All the Lanterns! The Green! All for Larfleeze!
Three thousand feet up! One side of outer space,
He floated there ready to absorb at his pace!
"Pooh-pooh to the Lanterns!" he was Fleeze-ish-ly humming.
"They're finding out now that Christmas is mine!
"They're just waking up! I know just what they'll do!
"Their mouths will hang open a minute or two
"Then all the GLs down on Mogo will all cry OA, WHAT WILL WE DOOO?!"
"That's a noise," grinned Larfleeze,
"That I simply must have!"
So he paused. And Larfleeze put a hand to his ear.
And he did hear a sound rising down on Mogo.
It started in low. Then it started to grow...
But the sound wasn't sad!
Why, this sound was their oath!
It couldn't be so!
But the planet WAS glowing! VERY!
He stared down at Mogo!
The Fleeze popped his eyes!
Then he shook!
What he saw was a shocking surprise!
Every GL down on Mogo, the tall and the small,
Was slinging! Without any rings at all!
He HADN'T stopped Christmas from coming!
IT CAME!
Somehow or other, a blast came the same!
And Larfleeze, with his orange-ring ice-cold in the void,
was hit puzzling and puzzling: "I took all MY rings, how could this I avoid?!
It came from their will! It came without green!
"It came without batteries, or rings I'd not seen!"
And he was hit by the power, `till his jaw tusks were sore.
Then the Fleeze thought of something he hadn't before!
"Maybe Christmas," he thought, "doesn't come from this core.
"Maybe Christmas...perhaps...means I have to steal a bit more!"
And what happened then...?
Well...on Mogo they say
That much of Larfleeze's stolen stash
Fell back from orbit that day!
And the minute the rings returned to to the Corps,
He escaped with some swag, though he wanted much more!
And losing all the gear he kept the food for the feast!
And he...
...HE HIMSELF...!
The Fleeze ate the roast beast!

THE END.
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Post by: Quickman on September 18, 2010, 04:04:09 AM
Not the Kryptonian hash!  D:  Larfleeze, you monster.
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Post by: Gaia on September 18, 2010, 04:28:04 AM
My god. That was pure awesome. Larfleeze, give yourself a round of applause for being DC's answer to Marvel's Deadpool. XD
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 18, 2010, 10:30:35 AM
My god. That was pure awesome. Larfleeze, give yourself a round of applause for being DC's answer to Marvel's Deadpool. XD
Marvel's Deadpool was already an answer to DC's Lobo, who has been underused, which is GOOD considering comedy characters are only funny if you pop them in sometimes.

Larfleeze isn't supposed to be funny all the time. Agent Orange, the first story he showed up in, had him be pretty damn powerful and violent, people were scared of him. But then he evolved into the "I WANT TO BE A QUEEN TOO!" dude you see here. I like Larfleeze, but he's definetly not Deadpool.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 18, 2010, 09:25:54 PM
More on Grant Morrison's Pax Americana! (http://io9.com/5641665/grant-morrison-talks-pax-americana-his-updated-watchmen)
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 18, 2010, 10:06:46 PM
Seems good. I just wish people wouldn't constantly reference Watchmen on everything. I know it's still the Citizen Kane of comics and it marked the era when comics were finally good stories, taken seriously, and it might still be the best comic ever in the literary sense, but still, tons upon tons of work later, we gotta evolve from that. Morrison said so many times that Moore was wrong when he said that people just ripped off Watchmen over and over, it's kinda time to show that he means business and create a new standard for comic narrative.
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Post by: Pyro on September 19, 2010, 05:56:36 AM
I'm not entire certain if narrative itself can evolve when fiction depends on archetypes and tropes for audiences to find entertaining, believe me. The more I look at comic over the past twenty-five years the more I'm certain that comics and other narrative forms are in a constant cycle of renewal. I look to your comments on "Batman & Robin" with respect to how Grant Morrison is bringing Batman back to his Silver/Bronze Age sensibilities. The same with Hal Jordan and Barry Allen's respective returns, and how writers have done all they can with their successors so everything comes full circle to DC's Silver Age.

Heck, I see Firestorm in a similar light with the return of Martin Stein to the Firestorm mythos in Infinite Crisis after spending 15+ years as a fire elemental. Same with Ronnie Raymond's return in Blackest Night. Now some fans are buzzing for Katar  and Shayera Hol to return, though I find that highly unlikely.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 19, 2010, 06:08:48 AM
That's because comic book characters, just like the readers, grow old and eventually something new & fresh is needed to both keep new ideas coming in or to simply clean up the mess. Sometimes the whole freakin Universe needs an overhaul. Hell, OMD OMiT prove that fact 100x fold.
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Post by: Pyro on September 19, 2010, 06:27:07 AM
Hell, OMD OMiT prove that fact 100x fold.

Eek! The storylines that must not be named but indeed you are right. If you look at the history of DC universe, they pretty much do a housecleaning every fifteen years or so. Though Crisis on Infinite Earths is the most obvious example, I look to the end of the Mort Weisenger-era Superman and the beginning of Julius Schwartz's era. I wonder how many people even know that Superman was a television anchor who DIDN'T work at the Daily Planet from 1971 to 1986? The Bronze Age was an interesting one for Superman indeed.

As for Joey Q, he did everything a writer shouldn't do when overhauling a character. I look at the Hawkworld revamp as an example.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 19, 2010, 01:03:31 PM
Oooooh, no. Alot of fans go "SILVER AGE BULLSHIT", but seriously, look at DC's storylines. They are NOT going back to the Silver Age, far from it. They are, of course, bringing back some elements that were used in both the Golden and Silver age, but they are definetly moving the narrative in a more sophisticated direction, making comics tell more epic storylines suited to them instead of being stuck in the 90's rut.

DC just realised something with Morrison. "Instead of creating new characters all the time, why don't we go and look for the old concepts we created so many years ago? There are many of them which would make such awesome villains!" So they did. And that proved to be good. It's not a comeback of the old ages, but rather using old elements in new concepts and new narratives and new storylines.
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Post by: Pyro on September 19, 2010, 10:37:07 PM
I think that was what I was trying to get at. A complete return to the Silver Age is impossible because let's face it, the stories were horribly crude though it was still rich in intriguing concepts like the international "Batmen" we saw with Knight and Squire. We should also remember that it's not just Morrison that's doing either, the Rogues (by that I mean the Flash's enemies) returned to popularity under the pen of Geoff Johns who also restored the Legion of Super-Heroes to the Superman mythos and what he did with Green Lantern bears no repeats. (Funny that Alan More whined about Blackest Night mining off his ideas from along ago.) Kurt Busiek also brought but some Silver/Bronze Age stuff during his run on Superman, which I think is underappreciated.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 19, 2010, 10:52:24 PM
Hm... well, I still have some deep love for a few Silver Age stories. It's a different style, not as serious or realistic of a narrative as we have now, but they still maintain their merit, and they're pretty damn good.

Heck, the Spider-Man newspaper strip is pretty much a Silver Age comic. And it's awesome.
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Post by: Gotham Ranger on September 23, 2010, 10:08:18 PM
Well [tornado fang]. I'm at the end of the Sinestro Corps War, and GL #25 decides to be completely corrupted.

Oh, I mad.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 23, 2010, 10:25:38 PM
That's a [tornado fang]ing crime!
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Post by: Gotham Ranger on September 23, 2010, 10:52:59 PM
I know! The war has been awesome, though. The moment the Guardians allowed Lethal Force on the Sinestro Corps? Oh [parasitic bomb].

Side not: https://www.jrstoyworld.com/product_info.php?products_id=1767

Anyone got any experience with these? I want.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 23, 2010, 11:00:39 PM
Yeah, I have them. The lights kinda flicker because them being lit up is entirely based upon how fat your fingers are. It can be easily worked around with a piece of tape or something, if you want to keep it lit.

They look great though.
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Post by: Gotham Ranger on September 23, 2010, 11:29:42 PM
Do they feel like cheap plastic or good sturdy stuff?
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 23, 2010, 11:38:45 PM
For the most part, yeah.
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Post by: Gotham Ranger on September 23, 2010, 11:43:07 PM
Guess I need to throw it on the Christmas list, then.
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Post by: Quickman on September 24, 2010, 09:33:52 AM
If they're the same plastic that the promo rings are made from, then they should be pretty sturdy.  Those rings have fallen off of shelves and were fine.

Too bad they're so large.  They won't fit my scrawny fingers.
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Post by: Gotham Ranger on September 25, 2010, 04:50:52 AM
If they're the same plastic that the promo rings are made from, then they should be pretty sturdy.  Those rings have fallen off of shelves and were fine.

Too bad they're so large.  They won't fit my scrawny fingers.
Really? Hmm, I hope my fingers are too small.

Anyways, I finished Sinestro Corps War. Hot damn, it was an awesome read. Now I can get back to Batman and make that push to Final Crisis.
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Post by: Pyro on September 25, 2010, 06:43:29 AM
Really? Hmm, I hope my fingers are too small.

Anyways, I finished Sinestro Corps War. Hot damn, it was an awesome read. Now I can get back to Batman and make that push to Final Crisis.

You know whats strange about Final Crisis, I like it better in the collected version. I can't quite explain it but the serial nature of comic books really didn't do it justice to me. Might I suggest taking a look at "Legion of Three Worlds"? It was published under the Final Crisis banner but it has no apparent connect with the main series. It's crazy awesome with three Legions as well as the return os Superboy (Connor Kent) and Kid Flash (Bart Allen).

It was also drawn by the legendary George Perez. Granted it took a long time for him to finish, it was worth the wait.
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Post by: Gotham Ranger on September 25, 2010, 08:15:31 AM
I hoped Superboy would stay dead. Just so someone would. Then again, no one stays dead in comic books.

Though, on that subject, I actually felt sad for Hank Henshaw when the Manhunters brought him back at the end of the Sinestro Corps and he's got that single tear.
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Post by: Quickman on September 25, 2010, 08:17:09 AM
The Mighty Mutanimals have stayed dead.  Aside from a brief cameo in Tales of the TMNT, but otherwise, they have remained dead.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 25, 2010, 08:19:56 AM
I hoped Superboy would stay dead. Just so someone would. Then again, no one stays dead in comic books.

Though, on that subject, I actually felt sad for Hank Henshaw when the Manhunters brought him back at the end of the Sinestro Corps and he's got that single tear.

At least DC has given an awesome reason as to why they don't stay dead!  8D

And yeah, poor Cyborg-Superman! XD
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Post by: Gotham Ranger on September 25, 2010, 08:38:17 AM
And yeah, poor Cyborg-Superman! XD
I'm having trouble not sympathising with him and Prime because of what they've had to endure.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 25, 2010, 08:52:00 AM
That's what makes Sinestro such a great villain, IMO.
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Post by: Quickman on September 25, 2010, 08:57:48 AM
Prime needs to have someone's shoe rammed up his ass.  He whines far too much.
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Post by: Gotham Ranger on September 25, 2010, 09:06:09 AM
Prime needs to have someone's shoe rammed up his ass.  He whines far too much.
I'm pretty sure I'd whine too if my whole universe wiped out in the blink of an eye and then everyone I idolised turned out to be gigantic hypocrites.

Though, I actually find the fact he still acts like a child amusing.
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Post by: Quickman on September 25, 2010, 09:16:05 AM
He still needs to have a foot rammed up his ass.  Leia lost her entire planet and family, yet she doesn't whine as much.
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Post by: Gotham Ranger on September 25, 2010, 09:19:17 AM
He still needs to have a foot rammed up his ass.  Leia lost her entire planet and family, yet she doesn't whine as much.
Yeah, but her dad whined like a [sonic slicer] :P
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Post by: Quickman on September 25, 2010, 09:30:58 AM
That he did.  Thankfully he grew a pair in his later years.
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Post by: Gotham Ranger on September 25, 2010, 09:44:00 AM
That he did.  Thankfully he grew a pair in his later years.
Maybe Prime will grow a pair eventually? (Doubt it)
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Post by: Quickman on September 25, 2010, 09:56:38 AM
One can only hope.  But then again, if he did, it would take away his charm, as despite his whining, I honestly wouldn't have him any other way.  It makes watching someone kick the crap outta him so much more enjoyable.
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Post by: Rin on September 26, 2010, 12:52:14 PM
So, about dem Sonic comics...

[spoiler](http://i55.tinypic.com/2qtg4k1.jpg)[/spoiler]

[tornado fang] YEAH!
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Post by: Waifu on September 26, 2010, 06:39:48 PM
Badass Biker!Cream, sure why not?!  :D Shadow:  -AC
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Post by: Rin on September 26, 2010, 07:09:34 PM
Shadow - THE ULTIMATE BABYSITTER FORM!
It's a shame that in the future he's desitned to becoma an evil douchebag king. : <
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Post by: Quickman on September 27, 2010, 04:30:49 AM
I prefer Bunnie Rabbot over Cream, as Bunnie's ears aren't backwards.  And she's a cyborg.  And cyborgs are cool.

I miss my old Sonic comics...
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Post by: Mirby on September 27, 2010, 04:33:36 AM
So new Darkwing Duck issue is out.

And awesome.

There is a character I didn't think I'd see in it.
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Post by: Quickman on September 27, 2010, 04:36:03 AM
...Wait, there's a Darkwing Duck comic??  How long has it been out?  And why have I not added this to my subscription list?!
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Post by: Mirby on September 27, 2010, 04:45:06 AM
4th issue came out (online) today, so four months. It's called Darkwing Duck: The Duck Night Returns and it's pretty awesome.

Look it up.
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Post by: Quickman on September 27, 2010, 04:51:16 AM
Sweet.  So it's an online comic, not a printed comic?
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Post by: Mirby on September 27, 2010, 06:02:09 AM
No, it's printed.

I'm just broke. :(
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Post by: Quickman on September 27, 2010, 06:17:24 AM
Ah.  Join the club.  We can be broke together.
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Post by: Mirby on September 27, 2010, 06:55:22 AM
It is worth checking out though. Keeps the humor and style of the cartoon intact while bringing the setting up-to-date. Extremely well done and highly recommended.

And I don't even read comics, so that's saying something.
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Post by: Rin on September 27, 2010, 11:20:48 AM
I prefer Bunnie Rabbot over Cream, as Bunnie's ears aren't backwards.  And she's a cyborg.  And cyborgs are cool.

I miss my old Sonic comics...
Bunnie is still in this.
She's married to Antoine, AND in the recent issue she's fighting Sonic because LOL MY FAMILY IS PART OF THE "DARK EGG LEGION" AND YOU SONIC SHOULD NOT TOUCH THEM NOW WE FIGHT!

As for MY favorite chara, Robotnik, he's hiding right in the city of Acorn... which is BADASS.

Overall, you should check out the new Sonic comics... srsly. Start from the issue 160, tough be prepared that for some time, it will be just the new and BETTER writer fixing old and HORRIBLE writers [parasitic bomb].
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Post by: Pyro on September 28, 2010, 05:53:51 AM
In other news, Marvel Editor-in-Chief from 1995 to 2000 Bob Harras has been tapped to become E-i-C of DC Comics. Whoda thunk?

Personally, I'm optimistic. He oversaw my favorite period at Marvel Comics with "Heroes Return" when the Avengers were actually good. I never warmed to Bendis' Avengers.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 28, 2010, 06:03:05 AM
Interesting move.
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Post by: Gotham Ranger on September 28, 2010, 06:24:14 AM
Wait, does that mean DiDio is gone?
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 28, 2010, 06:50:44 AM
No, Didio has a somewhat more important role now I believe.
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Post by: Gotham Ranger on September 28, 2010, 07:45:34 AM
But he'll stay away from our comics, right?
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 28, 2010, 08:10:55 AM
For the most part, I think so.
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Post by: Gotham Ranger on September 28, 2010, 10:44:18 PM
So, I'm finally getting around to Batman RIP and.. I'm really not all that interested, truth be told. The Green Lanter/GL Corps stuff is much more entertaining. Ah well, let's see what happens as I dive in.
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Post by: Waifu on September 29, 2010, 03:37:31 AM
I know this has been asked before but why do comics go on forever and ever? Why is it that only Jason Todd and Gwen Stacy die in comics?
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 29, 2010, 03:38:56 AM
Actually, Jason Todd is alive.

Also, comics keep going because we keep reading them, really.
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Post by: Align on September 29, 2010, 12:36:32 PM
Don't kill off a money-making franchise, y'know?
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Post by: Waifu on September 30, 2010, 03:18:19 AM
Don't kill off a money-making franchise, y'know?

I guess its not all bad.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on October 02, 2010, 03:12:05 AM
So I finally got around to reading the Darkwing Duck comics, and I've gotta say, so far they are quite enjoyable.
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Post by: Mirby on October 02, 2010, 03:13:39 AM
I think they ended the intro arc there extremely well. I can't wait to see where it goes from here.

[spoiler]
Plus, Scrooge McDuck! XD
[/spoiler]
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Post by: Gotham Ranger on October 02, 2010, 10:16:16 AM
Inching towards Final Crisis. Loving the Green Lantern stuff. The Secret Origin books are really helping fill in alot of gaps for me.

The Batman RIP stuff on the other hand.. Eh, it's not bad, but eh.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on October 02, 2010, 10:23:32 AM
GL is easily my favorite comic out right now!
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Post by: Gotham Ranger on October 02, 2010, 11:37:47 AM
GL is easily my favorite comic out right now!
That and GL Corps are quickly becoming favorites in DC and it makes me sad I've missed out on so much. But, from GL: Rebirth on has seemed like a damn good time to get into Green Lantern. Once I get all caught up, I'm thinking about jumping back into the older stuff and reading the best of it as well as Rayner's stories when he was the so called "Last" Green Lantern. He seems to be my favorite right now.

Also just finished Batman RIP. Truth be told, that little reveal on Doctor Hurt felt more like "how far can we take this before people go 'what the [tornado fang]'?". With what I know of Batman's fate in Final Crisis and what I've heard about Batman 701 and 702, I'm really not too high on Morrison's writing at the moment. I'm trying to give it a chance though, waiting for that big pay off moment where everything leaves you in a state of "Oh [parasitic bomb]". Hope I find it.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on October 02, 2010, 11:47:55 AM
That and GL Corps are quickly becoming favorites in DC and it makes me sad I've missed out on so much. But, from GL: Rebirth on has seemed like a damn good time to get into Green Lantern. Once I get all caught up, I'm thinking about jumping back into the older stuff and reading the best of it as well as Rayner's stories when he was the so called "Last" Green Lantern. He seems to be my favorite right now.

Yeah, the GL universe is, IMO, the best thing out in DC right now, and it has been since Rebirth. As for the older stuff, Kyle Rayner is my favorite GL. I loved his time as the last GL.

Quote
Also just finished Batman RIP. Truth be told, that little reveal on Doctor Hurt felt more like "how far can we take this before people go 'what the [tornado fang]'?". With what I know of Batman's fate in Final Crisis and what I've heard about Batman 701 and 702, I'm really not too high on Morrison's writing at the moment. I'm trying to give it a chance though, waiting for that big pay off moment where everything leaves you in a state of "Oh [parasitic bomb]". Hope I find it.

The thing with Morrison is, you have to like his writing and you have to be kinda use to it. I've followed him ever since his run on JLA, and I loved it. But it's understandable, so don't be surprised if it doesn't do it for you. With Morrison, it's usually a like or dislike relationship. XD
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Post by: Gotham Ranger on October 02, 2010, 09:38:07 PM
The thing with Morrison is, you have to like his writing and you have to be kinda use to it. I've followed him ever since his run on JLA, and I loved it. But it's understandable, so don't be surprised if it doesn't do it for you. With Morrison, it's usually a like or dislike relationship. XD
I just don't like ridiculously contrived and Morrison's writing is right there on the edge of it. I will say it's far from the worst writing I've read, just not my kind.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on October 02, 2010, 09:49:06 PM
I just don't like ridiculously contrived and Morrison's writing is right there on the edge of it. I will say it's far from the worst writing I've read, just not my kind.

Fair enough. I'd say go back and read his JLA stuff from the 90's. You might like that Morrison. Plus, Rayner was on that team and had one of my favorite lines/panels.

"I'm your worst nightmare, pal. A Manga nut with a Power Ring!"
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Post by: Gotham Ranger on October 02, 2010, 10:03:39 PM
Fair enough. I'd say go back and read his JLA stuff from the 90's. You might like that Morrison. Plus, Rayner was on that team and had one of my favorite lines/panels.

"I'm your worst nightmare, pal. A Manga nut with a Power Ring!"
That's a great selling point, hahaha. I think I'll do just that once I get all caught up!

Man, I got Final Crisis Complete right here. 350+ pages of insanity. Let's Rock.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on October 02, 2010, 10:05:44 PM
That's a great selling point, hahaha. I think I'll do just that once I get all caught up!

Man, I got Final Crisis Complete right here. 350+ pages of insanity. Let's Rock.

LoL, GO FOR IT!
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Post by: Gotham Ranger on October 04, 2010, 03:58:05 AM
Well.. That was.. I don't know, I'll spoiler tag it if anyone else is like me and is only just now catching up with DC Events.

[spoiler]I don't even know what to think of it. I can't say it was good or bad because the further I got, the more convoluted it got. Like, the first half was going great. I had a good grasp of what was going on, there was complete chaos. Things with Superman Beyond got a bit.. Weird.. Like, once Mandrakk showed up, everything seemed to lose cohesion, but okay, it still ended up making sense.

Then Batman shot Darkseid. I will say, the moment made sense. All of time and space was collapsing in on itself because of Darkseid and Batman had only one choice. He had a bullet that could kill a god.

After that, though. Things just got [tornado fang]ing ridiculous. The miracle machine? What? I know I'm out of the loop, but god damn. After the Flashes outran Black Racer and Darkseid got his day [tornado fang]'d up by the Omega Beams, everything just.. It like collapsed. I tried to follow the [parasitic bomb], but at that point it was all just pictures of unexplained things going on while the text boxes explained nearly nothing. How does it end?

Superman wished for a happy ending? Are you [tornado fang]ing serious? I had to read wiki just figure out what in god's name was going on at that point.[/spoiler]

Whatever. At least that's over and I can start Flash: Rebirth, Blackest Knight, and all the other great stuff waiting for me.
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Post by: Pyro on October 05, 2010, 01:48:09 AM
Hey! No hating on the Miracle Machine. It's a proud part of the Legion mythos! :P
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Post by: Gotham Ranger on October 08, 2010, 04:06:46 AM
Took a DC break. Jumped to Marvel. Issue #22 of Ultimate Spider-Man. [tornado fang], I forgot how awesome it is to have a hero actually go through stages of becoming a hero instead of "I got powers? YA'LL [tornado fang]'d".


Edit: Still reading Ultimate Spider-Man. Bendis is a great writer and his little comedy moments thrown into all the action are perfect. What with Quesada destroying 616 Peter Parker, Ultimate Parker is easily my favorite.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 08, 2010, 04:08:54 AM
Ultimate Spidey was always awesome. The problem is that Bendis, great writer that he is, tends to get very wordy at times, so much so that nothing actually happens for a good 4-6 issues at times.
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Post by: Gotham Ranger on October 08, 2010, 04:22:19 AM
You know, I actually don't mind that. I'm in the middle of the issue where Aunt May is at her therapist and it's like "Woah" because you're really seeing a side of a the character that, as far as I can remember, isn't really there with the 616 May. Though, I am sure there is dialogue that's completely superfluous and removable, alot of it seems to fit perfectly and helps you go "Oh, so THIS is what's happening".

Also, Jean Grey and Spidey when they first meet? Ahaha, oh man. "Actually, you're the first guy in six months to not think of me naked"
"Oh.."
"..."
"..."
"Are you done?"
"..."
"..."
"Okay, now"
"..."
"Now"
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Mirby on October 08, 2010, 04:25:02 AM
so it's like DBZ in that regard? 8D
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Post by: Protoman Blues on October 08, 2010, 04:25:43 AM
You know, I actually don't mind that. I'm in the middle of the issue where Aunt May is at her therapist and it's like "Woah" because you're really seeing a side of a the character that, as far as I can remember, isn't really there with the 616 May. Though, I am sure there is dialogue that's completely superfluous and removable, alot of it seems to fit perfectly and helps you go "Oh, so THIS is what's happening".

Also, Jean Grey and Spidey when they first meet? Ahaha, oh man. "Actually, you're the first guy in six months to not think of me naked"
"Oh.."
"..."
"..."
"Are you done?"
"..."
"..."
"Okay, now"
"..."
"Now"

It's fine sometimes. It pissed me off during the Hobgobin arc.
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Post by: Gotham Ranger on October 11, 2010, 06:09:25 AM
Oh, I'm not there yet. I'm just about hit Ultimate Six.

----

God damn, read and finished like 14 issues of Battle for the Cowl, finished all of Final Crisis Aftermath: Dance and Flash: Rebirth.

What a day.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on October 11, 2010, 06:10:31 AM
Haha, keep it going, champ!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Gotham Ranger on October 11, 2010, 06:17:24 AM
Haha, keep it going, champ!

I'm really knocking 'em down!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on October 22, 2010, 08:40:20 PM
I've just read Batman & Robin 14 and 15. [parasitic bomb]'S GOIN' DOWN next issue.

Also!
I rise a question.
Where is Superbat? I haven't seen him post for some time now. What the hell?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on October 25, 2010, 05:57:40 AM
Yes. First I disappear without a trace, then he vanishes, and then I reappear.

What up with dat?
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Post by: Rin on October 25, 2010, 12:23:08 PM
Yes. First I disappear without a trace, then he vanishes, and then I reappear.

What up with dat?
Oh [parasitic bomb]...
You know what that means?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Hiryu on October 27, 2010, 06:14:02 AM
What are your thoughts on Superman's new look?

He reminds me of Light when he switches over to Kira mode.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on October 27, 2010, 06:21:06 AM
I'm looking forward to Superman: Earth One. It's been getting rave reviews.
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Post by: Waifu on October 27, 2010, 03:17:54 PM
Speaking of GL an dSupermasn, is GL the most powerful hero? Eve more more so than Superman himself?
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Post by: Protoman Blues on October 27, 2010, 07:40:22 PM
GL is right up there. He can be more powerful than Superman, since his power is a matter of will power. However, in the long run Supes is more powerful. There are very very rare times when Superman fights anyone at full strength.
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Post by: Pyro on October 28, 2010, 03:40:14 AM
The main difference is that Superman's powers don't have a 24 hour limit, but his powers do eventually wane when under a red star.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on October 28, 2010, 04:01:40 AM
Plus Kryptonite as well. I thought he was talking toe to toe. It's be an interesting fight, but if Superman goes all out, it'd be hard to stop him.

Speaking of Supes, I read Superman: Earth One today. I thought it was very good.
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Post by: Waifu on October 28, 2010, 05:56:50 PM
Funny you should mention good Superman stories, why do most people say it is almost impossible to come up with good stories of Superman especially with works like "Whatever happened to the man of tomorrow?". Is it really difficult to come with good superman stories? I know he is overpowered, he is the first superhero archetype and there is no real challenge to him but still stories like what I had just mentioned, you think there would be other skilled writers who can come with good stories without going darker. Why do people prefer other heroes to Superman?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on October 28, 2010, 06:41:19 PM
Funny you should mention good Superman stories, why do most people say it is almost impossible to come up with good stories of Superman especially with works like "Whatever happened to the man of tomorrow?". Is it really difficult to come with good superman stories? I know he is overpowered, he is the first superhero archetype and there is no real challenge to him but still stories like what I had just mentioned, you think there would be other skilled writers who can come with good stories without going darker. Why do people prefer other heroes to Superman?
I personally have not read them yet but...
All Stars Superman and Red Son seem to get a lot of positive opinions.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 29, 2010, 06:49:25 AM
Funny you should mention good Superman stories, why do most people say it is almost impossible to come up with good stories of Superman especially with works like "Whatever happened to the man of tomorrow?". Is it really difficult to come with good superman stories? I know he is overpowered, he is the first superhero archetype and there is no real challenge to him but still stories like what I had just mentioned, you think there would be other skilled writers who can come with good stories without going darker. Why do people prefer other heroes to Superman?

There are plenty of skilled writers who know exactly how to write Superman, and there are a lot of fantastic Superman stories out there.

As for why people prefer other heroes to Superman, it's because....well he's Superman.
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Post by: Pyro on October 29, 2010, 06:56:48 AM
Funny you should mention good Superman stories, why do most people say it is almost impossible to come up with good stories of Superman especially with works like "Whatever happened to the man of tomorrow?". Is it really difficult to come with good superman stories? I know he is overpowered, he is the first superhero archetype and there is no real challenge to him but still stories like what I had just mentioned, you think there would be other skilled writers who can come with good stories without going darker. Why do people prefer other heroes to Superman?

My personal opinion is that Superman is far more idealistic than most other heroes and comes off as stiff, but does that mean he's boring? Hardly. Beleieve it or not, I can better relate to Superman than I do Batman or Wonder Woman. People always bring the argument that Batman "earned" his prowess through sheer force of will and intense training, but could he have done it without the wealth? Now THAT is debatable. Let's face is Batman is an aristocrat like Wonder Woman is royalty. Meanwhile, Superman was raised by two Kansas farmers so he has the working/middle-class sensibilities that bring him closer to Earth than his two contemporaries in DC's holy trinity.

That said, Superman and Batman are two different beasts altogether. Supes is a modern take on the legends of Hercules, Achilles, and other heroes of Greek antiquity where they pulled off unbelievable feats and fought entire armies or deadly creatures. Bats is more of a throwback to the pulp era where the Shadow and Doc Savage ruled the roost. Superman is best handled by writers with a science-fiction background, like how Geoff Johns handled Superman after his work of Flash and Green Lantern ("Up, Up and Away" and "Superman and the Legion of Super-Heroes" are my top recommendations) while a mystery writer like Greg Rucka is better suited for Batman, the Question, or Checkmate. Grant Morrison seems to be the exception though. His work on "All-Star Superman" and "Batman" is amazing. Then again he's mad as a hatter, so a lot of the crazy [parasitic bomb] he does blows me away.

Frank Miller on the other hand? He basically disgraced the Dark Knight and the Man of Steel with the abhorrent pile of excrement known as the "Dark Knight Returns". I hate that book. Hate hate hate it. All it accomplished was to make Bats a raging psychopath that DESERVED the punch he got from Hal Jordan back in GL: Rebirth. Seriously, Miller made me hate Batman with a burning passion.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on November 07, 2010, 08:16:51 AM
The Batman Universe just got a whole lot more interesting right now, and in my opinion, it's interesting for the better. Morrison's Batman Inc. idea is one of the most genius ideas to come along in a while.
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Post by: Solar on November 07, 2010, 08:24:20 AM
I don't follow comics so I have to ask, what's so genius about it?
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Post by: Protoman Blues on November 09, 2010, 11:22:24 PM
Heh, sorry I neglected this post. Shame on me. Anyway, why this is genius...

[spoiler=Bat-Spoiler Tab]As you may or may not have known, Bruce Wayne has been traveling through time thanks to the Omega Effect of Darkseid's Omega Beams. Well, he's back now, the full details of how will be discovered tomorrow when the 6th issue of Return of Bruce Wayne comes out.

But in Batman & Robin #16, he's back, and at the end of the comic, he holds a press conference and essentially announces that he has been funding Batman all this time, in terms of his crime-fighting technology and such. Furthermore, he announces that the "War against Crime" goes global tonight, and the Wayne Enterprises' newest venture, Batman Inc.

What he's done is essentially turned the idea of Batman into a corporation, a division of Wayne Enterprises that is devoted to fighting crime, and it's a very new take on the character. I find the idea to be absolutely brilliant, because it can open up so many fantastic stories for the character, all around. First and foremost, it's going away from the whole "Batman is a loner dick" motive, which I think is good cause it's been done for a long time now, and it shows the growth of the character of Bruce Wayne. Second, it opens up the possibility of awesome new characters for the Batman mythos & the DCU as a whole, because while Dick Grayson & Damian stay on in Gotham as Batman & Robin, Bruce will be traveling around the world to train people to be Batman-esque crime fighters. Third, it still doesn't reveal Bruce to be Batman, but it definitely sets him up as a potential target from criminals and the govt., even more so that he already was.

So many potential stories can come from this Batman Inc. idea. It's a completely new direction and if done correctly, it can be really good. All in all, I think it's one of the best ideas DC has come up with since the Emotional Spectrum in the Green Lantern U. right now.[/spoiler]
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Post by: Waifu on November 09, 2010, 11:27:58 PM
Heh, sorry I neglected this post. Shame on me. Anyway, why this is genius...

[spoiler=Bat-Spoiler Tab]As you may or may not have known, Bruce Wayne has been traveling through time thanks to the Omega Effect of Darkseid's Omega Beams. Well, he's back now, the full details of how will be discovered tomorrow when the 6th issue of Return of Bruce Wayne comes out.

But in Batman & Robin #16, he's back, and at the end of the comic, he holds a press conference and essentially announces that he has been funding Batman all this time, in terms of his crime-fighting technology and such. Furthermore, he announces that the "War against Crime" goes global tonight, and the Wayne Enterprises' newest venture, Batman Inc.

What he's done is essentially turned the idea of Batman into a corporation, a division of Wayne Enterprises that is devoted to fighting crime, and it's a very new take on the character. I find the idea to be absolutely brilliant, because it can open up so many fantastic stories for the character, all around. First and foremost, it's going away from the whole "Batman is a loner dick" motive, which I think is good cause it's been done for a long time now, and it shows the growth of the character of Bruce Wayne. Second, it opens up the possibility of awesome new characters for the Batman mythos & the DCU as a whole, because while Dick Grayson & Damian stay on in Gotham as Batman & Robin, Bruce will be traveling around the world to train people to be Batman-esque crime fighters. Third, it still doesn't reveal Bruce to be Batman, but it definitely sets him up as a potential target from criminals and the govt., even more so that he already was.

So many potential stories can come from this Batman Inc. idea. It's a completely new direction and if done correctly, it can be really good. All in all, I think it's one of the best ideas DC has come up with since the Emotional Spectrum in the Green Lantern U. right now.[/spoiler]

that sounds like something interesting.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on November 09, 2010, 11:36:48 PM
And you see, this is yet another thing that pissed me off about what's happened to Spider-Man, in terms of him publicly revealing his identity. As MORONICLY STUPID of a decision as it was, there was still the potential for decent stories due to it. Peter actually accepting responsibility, him growing as a character, Aunt May's death, Mary Jane's possible divorce, the city either supporting him or turning on him even more due to it, or other numerous ideas coming from it. Instead, we got OMD & later OMiT, which only goes to show how terrible a writer Quesada is.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on November 10, 2010, 08:03:27 AM
Heh, sorry I neglected this post. Shame on me. Anyway, why this is genius...

[spoiler=Bat-Spoiler Tab]As you may or may not have known, Bruce Wayne has been traveling through time thanks to the Omega Effect of Darkseid's Omega Beams. Well, he's back now, the full details of how will be discovered tomorrow when the 6th issue of Return of Bruce Wayne comes out.

But in Batman & Robin #16, he's back, and at the end of the comic, he holds a press conference and essentially announces that he has been funding Batman all this time, in terms of his crime-fighting technology and such. Furthermore, he announces that the "War against Crime" goes global tonight, and the Wayne Enterprises' newest venture, Batman Inc.

What he's done is essentially turned the idea of Batman into a corporation, a division of Wayne Enterprises that is devoted to fighting crime, and it's a very new take on the character. I find the idea to be absolutely brilliant, because it can open up so many fantastic stories for the character, all around. First and foremost, it's going away from the whole "Batman is a loner dick" motive, which I think is good cause it's been done for a long time now, and it shows the growth of the character of Bruce Wayne. Second, it opens up the possibility of awesome new characters for the Batman mythos & the DCU as a whole, because while Dick Grayson & Damian stay on in Gotham as Batman & Robin, Bruce will be traveling around the world to train people to be Batman-esque crime fighters. Third, it still doesn't reveal Bruce to be Batman, but it definitely sets him up as a potential target from criminals and the govt., even more so that he already was.

So many potential stories can come from this Batman Inc. idea. It's a completely new direction and if done correctly, it can be really good. All in all, I think it's one of the best ideas DC has come up with since the Emotional Spectrum in the Green Lantern U. right now.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=My thoughts]While this is certainly interesting and I am curious to see how it goes, at the same time, I'm not sure if I like it very much.  Bruce has essentially turned himself into a franchise and it seems a bit corny in that respect.  It seems to be borrowing, also, from when Spidey went public with his identity, as a way for DC to also cash in on what Marvel did, as crappy or as great as fans respectively thought that move to be.  It seems like a publisher stunt than it does a serious new direction for Batman. 

I can see how this was discussed in the board room when the idea was passed around.  Some of the editors were getting tired of the current Batman archetype, they wanna drag in more readers, so they suggest to borrow from Marvel.  However, they alter it just so so that it's still a different idea.  Basically, they wanted Batman to be accessible to everyone and they're thus going to make Batman accessible to the whole world by marketing the shadowy loner vigilante that so many of us have grown up with.  They've painted themselves into a corner with killing off, bringing back (via time travel), and substituting Batman so they're gonna have Bruce retire the cowl (which is odd, as Bruce is simply Batman with his mask off, to paraphrase Peter David) and market his identity to others.

I dunno...  This can go two ways and with a good team of writers, it could prolly be pretty darn good.  I may actually become a regular reader again.  But, in the wrong hands, this can also go south really fast and then the editors will need to pull another gimmick outta their ass in order to save Batman from the fryer.[/spoiler]
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Post by: Gotham Ranger on November 10, 2010, 08:39:11 AM
[tornado fang], here I burned myself out that Sunday I read for like.. 14 hours. I've not really touched another comic since. I was just about to dive into Blackest Night, too.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on November 10, 2010, 08:46:21 AM
[spoiler=My thoughts]While this is certainly interesting and I am curious to see how it goes, at the same time, I'm not sure if I like it very much.  Bruce has essentially turned himself into a franchise and it seems a bit corny in that respect.  It seems to be borrowing, also, from when Spidey went public with his identity, as a way for DC to also cash in on what Marvel did, as crappy or as great as fans respectively thought that move to be.  It seems like a publisher stunt than it does a serious new direction for Batman. 

I can see how this was discussed in the board room when the idea was passed around.  Some of the editors were getting tired of the current Batman archetype, they wanna drag in more readers, so they suggest to borrow from Marvel.  However, they alter it just so so that it's still a different idea.  Basically, they wanted Batman to be accessible to everyone and they're thus going to make Batman accessible to the whole world by marketing the shadowy loner vigilante that so many of us have grown up with.  They've painted themselves into a corner with killing off, bringing back (via time travel), and substituting Batman so they're gonna have Bruce retire the cowl (which is odd, as Bruce is simply Batman with his mask off, to paraphrase Peter David) and market his identity to others.

I dunno...  This can go two ways and with a good team of writers, it could prolly be pretty darn good.  I may actually become a regular reader again.  But, in the wrong hands, this can also go south really fast and then the editors will need to pull another gimmick outta their ass in order to save Batman from the fryer.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=To The Spoiler Tab]It's not so much a franchise as much as a corporation, or a division of the already global Wayne Enterprises. LoL, I don't think it's like getting Bat-Fries or Bat-Nuggets (even though that would be deliciously awesome). I thought of the Spidey thing as well, but the main difference is how it was handled, and also because of the hero involved. Spidey unmasking was stupid because he, above all other heroes, knows what happens when psychos find out who you are under the mask. Mind you, Batman knows the danger inherent in it as well, and that's why he doesn't unmask, but rather says that Wayne Enterprises has been funding Batman, which is not only the truth, but also still serves as a distraction away from him actually being Batman. He still keeps the playboy image, but he's been protecting Gotham financially for a while now, so it still makes him high profile.

Morrison is a fan of Silver Age Batman, which you can see in his writing, especially prior R.I.P. Also, Bruce isn't retiring as Batman. He, as Batman, is going to go around the world and train others, as well as some home grown as well. I think Batwoman (a seriously awesome character) is going to be trained by Bruce. But this just has such potential. It's not marketing his identity, as much as his knowledge & skills, which I think is cool, especially considering the fact that he's been away for so long and he might realize that he might not be around forever.

You're right though. It can be good or bad depending on the writing. I'm hoping for the best! [/spoiler]
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on November 10, 2010, 09:05:46 AM
[spoiler=To The Spoiler Tab]It's not so much a franchise as much as a corporation, or a division of the already global Wayne Enterprises. LoL, I don't think it's like getting Bat-Fries or Bat-Nuggets (even though that would be deliciously awesome). I thought of the Spidey thing as well, but the main difference is how it was handled, and also because of the hero involved. Spidey unmasking was stupid because he, above all other heroes, knows what happens when psychos find out who you are under the mask. Mind you, Batman knows the danger inherent in it as well, and that's why he doesn't unmask, but rather says that Wayne Enterprises has been funding Batman, which is not only the truth, but also still serves as a distraction away from him actually being Batman. He still keeps the playboy image, but he's been protecting Gotham financially for a while now, so it still makes him high profile.

Morrison is a fan of Silver Age Batman, which you can see in his writing, especially prior R.I.P. Also, Bruce isn't retiring as Batman. He, as Batman, is going to go around the world and train others, as well as some home grown as well. I think Batwoman (a seriously awesome character) is going to be trained by Bruce. But this just has such potential. It's not marketing his identity, as much as his knowledge & skills, which I think is cool, especially considering the fact that he's been away for so long and he might realize that he might not be around forever.

You're right though. It can be good or bad depending on the writing. I'm hoping for the best! [/spoiler]

[spoiler=Holy Spoiler Tab, Batman!]If Grant Morrison takes the reins, then it may be quite awesome. 

So, they're now actually going to subject Batman to the passage of time?  That's quite a bold move for a flagship character...[/spoiler]
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Fxeni on November 12, 2010, 07:59:37 AM
All the spoiler tabbed stuff makes me think of Kingdom Come.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on November 12, 2010, 08:25:42 AM
Which is its own universe now in the DCU Multiverse.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on November 12, 2010, 08:25:03 PM
(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/5088/1289426792760.jpg)

..........................................

.........................................

Seriously, I'm [tornado fang]ing speechless.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on November 12, 2010, 09:12:15 PM
What the [tornado fang]... is going on that page?
Its small size does not allow me to read.
wat
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on November 12, 2010, 09:18:20 PM
Essentially, they are mocking the fanbase that still supports the comic after Quesada spit in their faces. It LITERALLY is them laughing over the whole [tornado fang]ing incident.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on November 12, 2010, 09:23:28 PM
Basically, spitting in the fans faces again. And rubbing it in.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on November 12, 2010, 09:28:56 PM
Exactly. They literally KEEP rubbing it in. They won't let people forget.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on November 12, 2010, 09:35:44 PM
Not as long as Quesadilla is around, anyway.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Blackhook on November 12, 2010, 09:45:12 PM
Wow, just wow.That was tasteless and heartless at the same time...I think that though I don't read comics.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Gotham Ranger on November 13, 2010, 06:01:55 AM
QUESADAAA!! (http://a.imageshack.us/img141/8831/argh.gif) [/colbert]
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on November 13, 2010, 06:31:03 AM
I will laugh so hard if Quesada's successor undoes OMD/OMIT and rubs his nose in it.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on November 13, 2010, 06:36:22 AM
Im pretty sure that is what EVERYBODY who has EVER read a Spiderman comic wants.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Fxeni on November 13, 2010, 06:51:47 AM
Quesada's a jerk. The fact that he's constantly pushing it in the reader's faces just makes it worse than it already was.

Which is its own universe now in the DCU Multiverse.
Oh I know, but I'm just seeing some similarities in how Bruce turned out in KC and the way he's progressing here. Not saying that he will turn out the same, but yeah.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on November 13, 2010, 03:16:06 PM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrBwKMxhtXQ[/youtube]

Sweeeeeet!  8B
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Post by: Blackhook on November 13, 2010, 11:18:47 PM
I wonder....Nah, hero movies are pretty decent these days so I think it will be allright
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Fxeni on November 14, 2010, 07:58:36 AM
So I finally got around to reading The Walking Dead. Quite the interesting read, if you can handle it.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on November 14, 2010, 08:30:31 PM
I bought the 1st Graphic Novel cause it was 25% off at my Comic Book store. But I actually don't want to read it cause I don't want to spoil the show!  8D
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on November 16, 2010, 07:08:56 AM
[spoiler=From Green Lantern: Emerald Warriors #3]The Daxamites watching Sodam Yat via a hidden telescope in Mount Snhoj.[/spoiler]

I see what you did there, Tomasi...
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Fxeni on November 16, 2010, 08:56:20 AM
I bought the 1st Graphic Novel cause it was 25% off at my Comic Book store. But I actually don't want to read it cause I don't want to spoil the show!  8D
Alrighty, your loss then :P

Finished all the issues that are out so far... man, they don't hold back. Always hooked me in for more though. I watched the show, and there's quite a few changes so far, but not in a bad way. It's clear that they didn't want it to be a carbon copy of the comic, and it's probably better that way.
Title: PB's interpretation on Superman
Post by: Protoman Blues on November 17, 2010, 04:36:56 AM
Alrighty, your loss then :P

Finished all the issues that are out so far... man, they don't hold back. Always hooked me in for more though. I watched the show, and there's quite a few changes so far, but not in a bad way. It's clear that they didn't want it to be a carbon copy of the comic, and it's probably better that way.

Well there's not that many episodes left, I think. LoL, I can hold out! XD

Posted on: November 16, 2010, 03:00:14 AM
This was actually brought up on an ATOP THE 4th WALL discussion board, discussing whether or not Clark Kent was "Superman's mask" so to speak. You've probably heard it before about how Clark Kent is Superman's secret identity, about how he acts clumsy and such as his disguise, and that Clark Kent is "Superman's interpretation on the whole human race" as said by Bill in the Kill Bill movies. Keep in mind that this is essentially all just interpretation on a fictional character, but I'd just like to tell you what the character overall represents to me.

For starters, I'll quote Superman: TAS in which Clark Kent was killed in which he tells Ma & Pa Kent "But I am Clark. I need to be Clark. I'd go crazy if I had to be Superman all the time." Why I'm such a fan of the animated series stem from lines like this. Lines like this is what, to me, make Superman special. This is what separates Clark Kent from characters like Bruce Wayne, IMO. Clark Kent is Superman, but Batman is Bruce Wayne. Bruce Wayne is Batman's mask. Bruce stopped being Bruce when he began his mission. Batman is the mission. However, Clark Kent is not like that.

He has been written differently throughout the years, much as any comic book character has been. Pre-Crisis, Superman had the power to move planets. Back in the day, he really was just the whole "Truth, Justice, and the American Way" speech. Obviously the whole "American Way" thing can be taken or thrown out of context, as it has been in American history pretty much forever. This is why most writers focus more on the "Truth & Justice" part of that iconic phrase. However, this is not what makes the character truly special, in my eyes.

Overall, after everything is said and done about Superman or Clark Kent, throughout the history of the character, there is one overlying factor that makes the character of Clark Kent one of the greatest written characters ever (at times) and what, to me, is the true message of Superman, and that message is about good parenting. I've always believed that one's personality & character are based upon the experiences they've had through life, with both family and friends. To me, Clark Kent is the epitome of why I truly, truly, TRULY believe good parenting to be so important in a child's life. Superman is the extension of the kindness and love of both his parents, from his biological parents, Jor-El & Lara for saving him from Krypton's destruction, to his adopted ones, Jonathan & Martha Kent, who raised him to be the man he is today.

Because of how the Kent's raised Clark is why Superman exists. This is why Clark Kent is not and never will be the mask. Superman has no mask. The reason he doesn't wear one is because he is a symbol of hope, a symbol that any man can do great things and help out their fellow man to the best of their ability, a symbol of what all people should strive to do, with or without powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men. That, to me, is what the S on his chest truly represents, which is why Martha Kent sowed it onto his chest. Superman is how the Kent's raised Clark to be, and I think if more parents did that, the world would be a much better place.

This is why, despite my not really liking the Superman movies as movies, I absolutely loved Christopher Reeves as Superman, because he really did portray Superman as an overall nice guy, saying "so long" and waving goodbye to people. One thing I actually did love about the earlier episodes of Smallville is the fact that they captured the whole idea of parenting very well, with both Clark Kent & Lex Luthor, and how both characters developed because of it. Like I said, Superman is just a fictional character, and he can be interpreted in many different ways, and he will be continued to be written differently, just like in the recently released graphic novel Superman: Earth One. However, above everything else, I really just believe that the message of Superman is how good, honest, decent parenting can not only make a difference in one child's life, but many lives around that child as well.
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Post by: Flame on November 17, 2010, 04:52:49 AM
To supplement your comment about parenting, I think that Animated movies like the Doomsday one represent that well. While the comic had multiple Superman clones, the movie has just one. Just one cloned Superman made by Lex, with as much data on him as he could acquire. However, there was no Clark to that Superman. There was no parenting, he was never raised, and he does not have ANY of Clark's memories, and as such, instead of becoming like Superman, he strays, and instead becomes a tyrant. He has no second thoughts about killing, and does so freely within his idea of justice, and believes he is doing what needs to be done. Not to mention the only raising he gets is from lex, who is pretty mad himself, Cloning Superman and actually being upset that Superman died and HE wasnt the one to finish him. he actually pummels the clone in place of Superman, for "leaving him".

Now, to Bizzaro- as a side note- the brief moments we saw him as Superman in the series, he seemed like regular ol supes. but he becomes Bizzaro almost right away, so we never really see how he would have ended up as an actual Superman. Though for the most part, in the original series, his heart does seem to be in the right place- Just he doesnt quite have the brains to accompany it.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on November 18, 2010, 12:03:47 AM
Bizarro is Supes' twisted clone. His portrayal in the Animated series was excellent, but he can sometimes be written really annoyingly. He's not so much a villain, but he's dangerous cause he's just as powerful as Superman, but like a child.
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Post by: Flame on November 18, 2010, 03:41:31 AM
Actually, that's probably it- While a clone of Superman such as the Doomsday one went bad because of not having a Clark to be his conscience, Bizzaro constantly remains like you said, not so much a villain, because mentally, he is like a child.
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Post by: Waifu on November 20, 2010, 05:23:27 PM
Is that why Luthor cannot successfully beat supes with clones? That actually makes a lot of sense, if I never had parents who raised me and teach me valuable life lessons I would never be the person that I am right now.
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Post by: Sub Tank on December 04, 2010, 08:04:01 PM
I've been looking at this comic book called body bags and I really like the art so far

(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/7075/118492109272pandasuper.jpg)

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Post by: Protoman Blues on December 04, 2010, 10:21:55 PM
Haha, interesting look! XD
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Post by: Quickman on December 06, 2010, 05:32:16 AM
The latest Green Lantern issue has brought up an interesting notion...

[spoiler=Lek takak nok]If the Indigo ring controls the bearer's emotions, what were the members of the Indigo Tribe before they were chosen?  Could Indigo-1 have been a criminal and the Indigo ring was created to be a control/community service/probation mechanism of sorts?  Could this have been Abin Sur's idea, to pull selected prisoners from the ScienCells and redeem them with that ring?[/spoiler]
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Post by: Flame on December 21, 2010, 02:42:58 AM
Hey, Quickie or PB- Since you two are the real big comic buffs on RPM, Ive got the entire Blackest night. (all of it, GL, GLC, Batman, Superman, everything that was and tied in with Blackest night-) What would you guys recommend the reading order as? it's a headache trying to figure it out.
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Post by: Ninja Lou on December 21, 2010, 05:04:49 AM
Hey, Quickie or PB- Since you two are the real big comic buffs on RPM, Ive got the entire Blackest night. (all of it, GL, GLC, Batman, Superman, everything that was and tied in with Blackest night-) What would you guys recommend the reading order as? it's a headache trying to figure it out.

I remember asking PB the same question when we went to pick up our comics. It's been awhile since I finished BN. If I remember correctly Batman and Superman can be read anytime. It doesn't really tie in to the main issues of BN. I don't remember liking them to much As for everything else I hope PB remembers, because it was something like an issue of Blackest Knight, Green Lantern, and Green Lantern Corps then repeat.

Now for some Marvel news, Squirrel  Girl is on the new Avengers. I am loving this.
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Post by: Flame on December 21, 2010, 05:14:51 AM
Browsing around online gives me different orders. So its like "Ehhh... Which one is best..?"
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Post by: Ninja Lou on December 21, 2010, 05:18:46 AM
Browsing around online gives me different orders. So its like "Ehhh... Which one is best..?"
Don't get me started now that I am starting to remember it I think one month it was GL GLC then the next GL and GLC came out and I couldn't read them because BN still had not come out.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on December 21, 2010, 05:26:32 AM
Hey, Quickie or PB- Since you two are the real big comic buffs on RPM, Ive got the entire Blackest night. (all of it, GL, GLC, Batman, Superman, everything that was and tied in with Blackest night-) What would you guys recommend the reading order as? it's a headache trying to figure it out.

The side stuff can pretty much be read at any time, but the three main books are Blackest Night, Green Lantern, and Green Lantern Corps. Like Lou said, it goes from book to book, in terms of reading BN first, then GL, then GLC. That should be the proper order.
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Post by: Pyro on December 21, 2010, 05:31:21 AM
Personally, the only one I found worth my time was BL: Flash. Pity about Boomerang Jr. though.
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Post by: Flame on December 21, 2010, 06:24:04 AM
Ah ok. Thanks then PB
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Post by: Protoman Blues on December 21, 2010, 06:33:44 AM
Personally, the only one I found worth my time was BL: Flash. Pity about Boomerang Jr. though.

I kinda liked the Wonder Woman one too.
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Post by: Quickman on December 21, 2010, 08:16:18 AM
I'm gonna miss Boomerang Jr.  He was one of the reasons I started reading Outsiders.  But since he's not with them and pretty much done for (though, in comics, it's a crap shoot), then I'm tempted to cancel my subscription.  The storyline is kinda meh and it's just not holding my interest anymore.
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Post by: Flame on December 22, 2010, 06:05:13 AM
Well I finished Blackest Night after 3 days of Comic book binging. BOY have my dreams at night been interesting...

Also @ Quickie
[spoiler] The last Blackest Night issue showed it too with with William Hand. He was bound to his staff, had his ring, and had the look of a man drugged or controlled. (Not to mention the "Help me!" in his book of Black at the end there.)

Its really such a pity that theres no translations for what Indigos say. Im certain that just by learning stuff they said to each other during Blackest Night it would clear stuff up. ESPECIALLY if we knew what their Oath says. Maybe we should ask Atom. He WAS a deputy Indigo after all.[/spoiler]
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Post by: Quickman on December 22, 2010, 06:26:39 AM
[spoiler=Nok]That would depend if he was privy to such knowledge while deputized.  As a deputy, he was able to wield the ring, but were his emotions controlled by it?  He exhibited more autonomy than the rest of the Tribe.[/spoiler]
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Post by: Flame on December 22, 2010, 06:30:09 AM
[spoiler= Nok Nok ]
He clearly understood it while he was deputized though, translating to Hal. And I think he spouted one or two lines in er.. 'Indigo-ian', as well as saying the oath I think. (or am I remembering things wrong..? o~O )[/spoiler]
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Post by: Ninja Lou on December 22, 2010, 11:21:14 AM
So I collected Young Allies after enjoying the first issue and then 6 issues later it gets cancelled....  :|.  I hate when that happens.
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Post by: Pyro on December 23, 2010, 06:36:01 AM
A pity but not entirely unsurprising in today's comic market. A new title is extremely lucky to last twelve issues, though there are exceptions. (The latest volumes of Firestorm and Blue Beetle come to mind.)
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Post by: Rin on December 31, 2010, 12:39:44 PM
Hey, is there anything recent from Marvel worth reading?
I'm kinda in a comic mood, and want some Marvel fix.
kthx
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Post by: Protoman Blues on January 10, 2011, 10:02:28 PM
Read the Annihilation series. It's one of the best things Marvel has put out recently.

Posted on: December 31, 2010, 01:44:47 PM
Hey, is there anything recent from Marvel worth reading?
I'm kinda in a comic mood, and want some Marvel fix.
kthx

To follow up on this, I'd also highly highly recommend Thor: The Mighty Avenger. Easily one of the best comics out right now.

A shame it might be getting canceled. Hopefully it can be saved.
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Post by: Rin on January 10, 2011, 11:04:54 PM
Crap. I completely forgot I posted that request. Ha, ha.
Thanks PB. I'll be soon checking those out, never really liked Thor too much, but if you recommend it... I'll probably have a good time. : >
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Post by: Mirby on January 11, 2011, 03:04:06 AM
I still recommend that Darkwing Duck comic...

also, apparently a Chip & Dale Rescue Rangers one is coming out too!

EDIT: It is out, two issues, and it's pretty damn good too.
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Post by: Waifu on January 11, 2011, 06:17:31 AM
Is the darkwing duck comic still running? How awesoem is it?
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Post by: Protoman Blues on January 11, 2011, 06:22:35 AM
Yep. It's still going, and it's still pretty awesome.
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Post by: Mirby on January 11, 2011, 05:56:55 PM
I like the fact that they're totally parodying the CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS storyline or whatever that was with this one. It's pretty cool too. ^.^

Seriously though, check out the Rescue Rangers comic. It seems like it starts out mid-arc, but you catch up pretty quickly.
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Post by: Flame on January 15, 2011, 07:46:19 AM
Hey did you guys hear Quesadilla stepped down as editor in chief of Marvel?

Related
V
(http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/6066/13a66a082c1dbd1d2a779fd.jpg)
Hurr Hurr. Well played, Gutters, well played.
http://www.the-gutters.com/
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Post by: Pyro on January 16, 2011, 10:02:08 PM
lulz  >0<

But Quesada was kicked upstairs to a higher position. We'll still have to endure the sting from OMD/OMIT though.
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Post by: Align on January 17, 2011, 12:56:55 AM
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/6066/13a66a082c1dbd1d2a779fd.jpg
Quote
Cool biker name like 'Axel'
Aw yis.
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Post by: Quickman on January 21, 2011, 06:13:36 AM
I read Superman: Red Son last night.

[spoiler=In Soviet Russia, spoilers spoil YOU!]Lex is a self-absorbed prick.  I like him that way.[/spoiler]
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Post by: Protoman Blues on January 21, 2011, 06:39:30 AM
I loved that story a lot.
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Post by: Quickman on January 25, 2011, 08:54:36 AM
Indeed, it was fantastic.  It's on my recommendations list for people.
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Post by: Ninja Lou on January 30, 2011, 12:30:42 PM
Witchblade 138 was awesome it retells the basic story to the series in a fantasy storybook style. I liked it alot.

The new Spider-Girl comic is fun, I think people should check it out.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on January 30, 2011, 08:35:25 PM
It is nice to see Arana in the spotlight again. I always liked her character.
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Post by: Mirby on February 05, 2011, 08:37:31 PM
If you still haven't checked out the Darkwing Duck comic, here's some motivation.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y194/dakirbymaster/ladygagadarkwing.png)
Lady Gaga Darkwing. 'Nuff said.
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Post by: Quickman on February 07, 2011, 05:29:23 AM
As of Friday evening, Outsiders has been dropped and replaced with Darkwing Duck.  Also, the first volume of the classics has been added to my collection.
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Post by: Solar on February 07, 2011, 05:50:40 AM
If you still haven't checked out the Darkwing Duck comic, here's some motivation.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y194/dakirbymaster/ladygagadarkwing.png)
Lady Gaga Darkwing. 'Nuff said.

Oh yeah, wasn't the first TP out this week? I need to get that if I have any money left from buying MvC3.
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Post by: Align on February 10, 2011, 09:29:07 AM
I'll just leave this here.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_t-Dy2G2jvCI/TL31jD83LWI/AAAAAAAABEE/S0BFaYwp4xg/s1600/spider-man-calvin-and-hobbes.jpg)
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Post by: Fxeni on February 11, 2011, 12:54:25 AM
I'll just leave this here.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_t-Dy2G2jvCI/TL31jD83LWI/AAAAAAAABEE/S0BFaYwp4xg/s1600/spider-man-calvin-and-hobbes.jpg)
Haha, that's just awesome. Makes me want to pull out my Calvin & Hobbes books...
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 12, 2011, 01:50:32 AM
I'm just gonna have to say I am REALLY DAMN HAPPY that Batman INC is exactly what I expected it to be.

Batman as James Bond. Being sexy and cool all throughout the world, in exotic locations, with villanous villains plotting villanous schemes.
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Post by: Waifu on March 12, 2011, 05:05:12 AM
did you hear about a Batman Teen High School AU?
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Post by: Krystal on March 12, 2011, 11:44:03 AM
I remember seeing pictures of that and being told that it was cancelled~
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 12, 2011, 11:56:39 AM
Yep. It was cancelled. And it's a GOOD THING too. Because it would only succeed if it would have the same treatment as Brave and the Bold, which was pretty much a huge love letter to the fans, restoring forgotten characters and plotlines and doing stuff only fans would care about, cleverly disguised as a kids' show.
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Post by: Rin on March 12, 2011, 12:00:17 PM
HOLY [tornado fang]ing [parasitic bomb] YOU'RE BACK!
YES! YES! THIS IS DELICIOUS!
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Post by: Solar on March 12, 2011, 12:02:07 PM
You guys mean this thing?

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_QnmKlzDOMjA/TTJ4t2qhctI/AAAAAAAANtU/yYPUOI_piaE/s640/GothamHighclassphoto_final.jpg)
(http://m1.paperblog.com/i/38/389826/high-school-batman-L-NgiQPt.jpeg)

Yeah, I have no idea how they could've ever made that good either.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 12, 2011, 12:15:29 PM
HOLY [tornado fang]ing [parasitic bomb] YOU'RE BACK!
YES! YES! THIS IS DELICIOUS!
(http://www.holamun2.com/files/images/mun2-images/news/peep-this/video-turbaconepic-thanksgiving-by-epic-meal-time.jpg)
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Post by: Align on March 12, 2011, 07:07:32 PM
What is that? Looks a little like a large ham, but...
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 12, 2011, 10:14:49 PM
What is that? Looks a little like a large ham, but...
It is delicious.
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Post by: Krystal on March 13, 2011, 03:02:49 AM
I think it's one of those things where you stuff 10 kinds of meat into each other and cover it in bacon.

Not that I've seen many of them mind you...

Also I would've liked to have seen what would've become of Gotham High. I mean, the characters all look so cute and awkward as teens!
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 13, 2011, 11:26:24 PM
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/house-of-1000-manga/2011-03-10

Quote
"Goku is obviously more 'original' than pretty much any American superhero character"

FFFFFFFFFFFFF That makes me rage. Goku is based on Superman, for God's sake! Hell, he IS Superman.
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Post by: Waifu on March 14, 2011, 05:21:28 AM
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/house-of-1000-manga/2011-03-10

FFFFFFFFFFFFF That makes me rage. Goku is based on Superman, for God's sake! Hell, he IS Superman.

Technically he was based off of Sun Wukong but the similarities to Superman is there.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 14, 2011, 10:56:07 AM
Technically he was based off of Sun Wukong but the similarities to Superman is there.
He has the items of Sun Wukong. In any other thing, he is Superman. It's as obvious a homage as Disney's Hercules was.
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Post by: Pyro on March 14, 2011, 02:50:56 PM
FFFFFFFFFFFFF That makes me rage. Goku is based on Superman, for God's sake! Hell, he IS Superman.

At least I can take solace in the fact that it doesn't take Superman two weeks to power up his heat vision. Nor does Supes look like he's constantly constipated.
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Post by: Waifu on March 16, 2011, 02:04:04 AM
Why is Hawk Man dubbed the most useless hero? And how can tell my friends that Aqua Man can do stuff besides calling fish?
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 16, 2011, 02:21:07 AM
Why is Hawk Man dubbed the most useless hero? And how can tell my friends that Aqua Man can do stuff besides calling fish?
Because the dubbers and your friend have never read a worthy comic in their whole damn lives.

Hawkman is a victim of constant retcons, but he's pretty damn badass.

And Aquaman? Aquaman is just A GIGANTIC [chameleon sting]er.

Okay, so who rules over the Earth? Humanity?

NO. AQUAMAN DOES. HE RULES OVER THE SEAS. He once said to a villain propositioning him partnership: "I already rule over seventy five percent of the Earth. Why would I settle for less?"

Dude's also hella strong. HELLA STRONG. Can withstand deep sea pressures like a boss. You're under pressure, with Queen & David Bowie blowing your head to bits? Aquaman is just chillin'.

As for calling fish? DUDE'S GOT TELEKINETIC CONTROL OVER ALL SEA LIFE. EVER. Imagine all armies on Earth put together. You think you can face every single whale on Earth on top of you? Hell no.

Dude's also lost a hand already. Twice. What does he do? Go [sonic slicer] to the JLA to make him a new robot one? Prosthetic maybe? HELL NO. HE PUTS A HOOK IN ITS PLACE. MOFOS BE DAMNED, AQUAMAN IS COMING.

So you got like one hero per city, right? A hero protects the city. AQUAMAN PROTECTS ALL OF THE OCEANS. He is the most useful out of all of the heroes in terms of keeping the Earth safe, because HE ENDS UP DOING MOST OF THE WORK.


...also he doesn't need to fawn over some plastic man's wife because he's married to a thing of pure hotness who can control the oceans themselves. THE WATER ITSELF. You jelly? Course you are. Because Aquaman is here to stay.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_TnhAANHHKiM/TDwSNBsOCYI/AAAAAAAAAbE/p_ifhZZT7rU/s1600/wallpaper_batman_the_brave_and_the_bold_Aquaman.jpg)

And that's hella OUTRAAAAAAAAAGEOUS.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on March 16, 2011, 02:47:21 AM
Brightest Day showed how powerful Mera is.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 16, 2011, 03:53:58 AM
By the way, anyone read Joe the Barbarian? Morrison does it once again. AMAZING.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on March 16, 2011, 03:55:49 AM
Yeah Josh has been telling me about it. I'll be checking it out ASAP.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 16, 2011, 03:57:01 AM
Read it. Not in issues, though. Morrison honestly made the book to be read all at once. I waited until it was all out (pure torture) but it was worth it.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on March 16, 2011, 03:59:43 AM
LoL, oh don't worry. I know how Morrison writes. That was the plan!  8D
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 16, 2011, 04:08:20 AM
Yeah, but All-Star Superman was an issue comic. =P Supposed to be read that way. This is simply put, a book.

Heck, I don't think Batman Inc will be as good in the actual hardcover compilation, because the "TUNE IN NEXT MONTH" pages won't have as much effect.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on March 16, 2011, 04:16:21 AM
Either way, I have been enjoying Batman Inc. very much.
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Post by: Pyro on March 16, 2011, 06:04:46 AM
If only Superman was written as well as Batman right now...

Granted, Action Comics with Paul Cornell is crazy awesome, but it features Lex Luthor right now. Superboy as well but has a horrible artist holding it back. Supergirl... I'm in "wait and see" mode right now.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 16, 2011, 10:50:25 AM
If only Superman was written as well as Batman right now...

Granted, Action Comics with Paul Cornell is crazy awesome, but it features Lex Luthor right now. Superboy as well but has a horrible artist holding it back. Supergirl... I'm in "wait and see" mode right now.
That's honestly because JMS sucks right now. But he's quit monthly comics, so he'll be out right after the Superman and Wonder Woman arcs.

As for Cornell, love his Action Comics (will never forgive his artist for the way he drew Larfleeze, but aside from that, he's pretty good), but I actually find his Knight and Squire series really.... well, dull. The first one was good, but the rest have been incredibly boring. Just references everywhere and no meat whatsoever.

For Supergirl, I LOVED the Bizarro planet arc. But currently prefer to just read her specials with Damian.

Also

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_pScx8BN4h3s/TMAs4FhdM_I/AAAAAAAAKbo/7w0nF3jDCB4/s1600/sg+57+2.jpg)

Bizarro Firestorm: "AAAARGH WHY IS MY HEAD ON FIRE"
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Post by: Pyro on March 16, 2011, 07:11:10 PM
Well, you'll be pleased to know Damian appears in the latest Supergirl them.

One good thing about the latest JMS Superman issue is that it brought back the Superman Squad from DC One Million.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 16, 2011, 09:08:39 PM
Well, you'll be pleased to know Damian appears in the latest Supergirl them.

One good thing about the latest JMS Superman issue is that it brought back the Superman Squad from DC One Million.
I know, I follow Supergirl.

And I'm not fond of how JMS is handling the Superman Squad. When a bad writer is writing something, I'd rather he won't touch my favorite characters at all.

...like Beechen is doing now. Ruining Batman Beyond.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on March 16, 2011, 09:58:15 PM
The first issue of Batman Beyond showed promise, but yeah the series has gone straight downhill.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 16, 2011, 10:40:48 PM
I have never read anything by Beechen which was decent.
Here are some of his amazing exploits:

- Turning Cassandra Cain from one of the best DC characters and one of the best female comic characters of all time into an evil whore
- Making Jimmy Olsen fight Darkseid some time before Final Crisis (Granted, Darkseid IS A JIMMY OLSEN VILLAIN, but still)
- Ruining Terry McGinnis and all other characters he ever wrote by writing them out of character
- Writing COUNTDOWN (oh god)
- Failing to turn the easiest-to-make-good Brave and the Bold episode into something heartwarming, instead coming out just mediocre

So far. Beechen is very new and it's obvious that some higher ups love him and keep giving him work, even though he is a horrible writer.




...god dammit.

JMS. ALL IS FORGIVEN. YOU MIGHT BE WRITING ONE OF THE WORST SUPERMAN STORIES OF ALL TIME. BUT I FORGIVE YOU. YOU KNOW WHY?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/ITSCANON.jpg)

BECAUSE YOU MADE IT CANON. ;_______; AND THAT'S AS MANY AS FOUR TENS.

...AND THAT'S TERRIBLE.
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Post by: Pyro on March 17, 2011, 12:22:46 AM
I know, I follow Supergirl.

Ah, sorry. I (wrongly) inferred that you stopped reading it. So what do you think of the current storyline then?

- Failing to turn the easiest-to-make-good Brave and the Bold episode into something heartwarming, instead coming out just mediocre

Which one was that again? I haven't had the time to watch B&B.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 17, 2011, 01:07:46 AM
Ah, sorry. I (wrongly) inferred that you stopped reading it. So what do you think of the current storyline then?

Which one was that again? I haven't had the time to watch B&B.
So far? The nerd using Foursquare to destroy the world reeks of Marvel, but I'll have to read more to make an opinion.

And it's the Christmas ep with Red Tornado. Basically, making Red Tornado go through the motions as "WUT DUZZ IT MEAN TO FEEL CHRISTMAS SPIRIT". Robot clichés are tiring, and they could have used it for so much better. Also, Batman is Scrooge.
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Post by: Pyro on March 17, 2011, 02:08:46 AM
I actually saw that episode, and it was hackneyed and a really bad first impression.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 17, 2011, 02:20:51 AM
I actually saw that episode, and it was hackneyed and a really bad first impression.
Want a good first impression?

Watch "Mayhem of the Music Meister". Well, that if you like musicals.

If you have an obscure DC favorite character, tell me and I'll tell you the ep that features it.
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Post by: Rin on March 23, 2011, 07:39:08 AM
So, I've caught up with Sonic Universe and...

[spoiler](http://i56.tinypic.com/2djywjm.jpg)
Well [tornado fang]...

Also, let's play a game. How many familiar characters can you spy on this page?
[/spoiler]
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Post by: Ninja Lou on March 23, 2011, 07:51:53 AM
I really hope the team that did the last Spider-girl comic isn't the new permanent team. I HATE when they have a great team start up a comic then swap them out later.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on March 23, 2011, 08:00:28 AM
So apparently, Spider-Man no longer has his Spider-Sense.

...Wow.
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Post by: Quickman on March 23, 2011, 08:51:48 AM
Yeah.  It's mind-blowingly stupid and how the flark did it happen?  Was it ever explained two issues back?  And whose dumbass idea was it?  Quesadilla's?
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 23, 2011, 09:07:13 AM
I should read all of the Spidey comics I've missed since OMiT. Seems like they're torture gold.

Aside from the job thing and all.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on March 23, 2011, 09:38:47 AM
His new bullet-proof armor is absolutely hideous.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 23, 2011, 09:41:03 AM
So his new F4 suit wasn't enough?
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Post by: Protoman Blues on March 23, 2011, 09:42:19 AM
He's pumping out new suits like a 80's Toon Toy Whore Monger.
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Post by: Fxeni on March 23, 2011, 09:53:29 AM
So apparently, Spider-Man no longer has his Spider-Sense.

...Wow.
I... don't know what to say to that. That's unbelievably stupid.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 23, 2011, 11:23:19 AM
I... don't know what to say to that. That's unbelievably stupid.
Let's calm down, alright? Have any of you read the comic yet? I mean, when I first heard about the main idea for Blackest Night (canon superpowered zombies and corps of many colors) I found it the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Then I loved it. I'm gonna read the comic and check out the context of this "loss" before I say anything. I mean, did we already forget what freaky powers that "The Other" story gave him? Arm spikes and controlling spiders? Jesus, losing one power for an indeterminate amount of time might just be a simple bother.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on March 23, 2011, 08:27:26 PM
Let's calm down, alright? Have any of you read the comic yet? I mean, when I first heard about the main idea for Blackest Night (canon superpowered zombies and corps of many colors) I found it the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Then I loved it. I'm gonna read the comic and check out the context of this "loss" before I say anything. I mean, did we already forget what freaky powers that "The Other" story gave him? Arm spikes and controlling spiders? Jesus, losing one power for an indeterminate amount of time might just be a simple bother.

Yes, I have read it. AND. IT'S. STUPID. Not to mention that I'm not even quite sure how he lost it. The Other was also stupid, especially considering the fact that those powers have pretty much been wiped out of continuity thanks to the other majestically awesome bit of STUPID known as OMD. Not to mention that they stopped being used about.....I don't know.....THREE ISSUES AFTER THE DAMN EVENT.

And what I also dislike about it is that he had to make a bullet proof Spider-Suit to wear, and it's hideous...

(http://nerdiest-kids.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/spiderarmor.jpg)

LOOK. AT. IT. It's [tornado fang]ing ugly. And until his Spider-Sense comes back, he has to continue wearing this abomination.

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Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 23, 2011, 08:33:15 PM
Wow. Even Civil War Iron Spidey was better than that thing.

By the way, guys. None of you ever lose hope. I might have mentioned it on this topic a few times, but there's still one Spidey comic worth reading.

http://www.spidermancrawlspace.com/wordpress/category/spider-man-newspaper-strip/

The Spider-Man newspaper strip. Updated every day. Classic Silver Age art. Written by Stan Lee with a classic Silver Age plot.

This is what canon Spidey is to me now.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on March 23, 2011, 10:13:32 PM
As I mention to Josh in my podcast, I like Spidey in almost every comic but his own. He's great in New Avengers, I like how Hickman wrote him in Fantastic Four, so I'm looking forward to him in Future Foundation, and Ultimate Spidey is excellent. And yeah, that Spidey strip I get in my CSN is also awesome. I really only dislike him in his own series.
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Post by: Quickman on March 23, 2011, 10:36:56 PM
If I recall, I think you did mention that to Josh in some form or another.

That reminds me... I think this weekend is the Welcome to the FF party...
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Post by: Protoman Blues on March 23, 2011, 10:39:42 PM
Yeah, it comes out today. I'll be picking up/reading my comics tomorrow. It's going to be a HUGE week I think.
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Post by: Quickman on March 23, 2011, 10:43:06 PM
Oh right, today.  Well, so much for hanging out with other nerds at the comic store...
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Post by: Protoman Blues on March 23, 2011, 10:45:07 PM
Well I'm sure nerds will be there as well. This week is also Green Lantern week, which begins the War of the Green Lanterns event.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 23, 2011, 11:21:32 PM
First two parts of War of the Green Lanterns, plus Batman INC #4. It's gonna be so [tornado fang]ing sweet.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on March 23, 2011, 11:24:48 PM
Yeaaaaaaah. Can't wait till I pick them up tomorrow.
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Post by: Quickman on March 24, 2011, 04:56:24 AM
Well, I went to the Welcome to the FF event at Planet X Comics.  They held a raffle for the Djurdjevic gatefold variant cover of FF#1.

And I won it. XD

I also read the mass-market edition Ashley picked up, see how it's gonna pan out.  My thoughts, considering I'm not that much of a Marvel fan?  Not bad.  Not bad at all.  In fact, I may add it to my subscriptions, see how it goes.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on March 24, 2011, 09:23:31 AM
Yeah, Future Foundation was very interesting. I'm definitely interested enough to see where it's going.

Oh, and War of the Green Lanterns was AWESOME!
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 24, 2011, 11:04:43 AM
Looks like they don't work on yellow again. =P
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Post by: Protoman Blues on March 24, 2011, 05:18:49 PM
 8D

I think that's the least of concerns right now.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 24, 2011, 05:31:25 PM
From the way they were hyping it, I honestly think that brainwashing and setting the general NPC Corps against the main heroes is kinda weak.

I mean, I know comics aren't represented by those covers, but I wanted to see Hal versus Guy! Kyle versus John! And no brainwashing, I mean real, actual "different sides" thing.

Well, one thing that I like is that War of the Green Lanterns is only gonna span 4 issues. And those 4 issues are gonna be of different series. The way Sinestro Corps War was, and the way Blackest Night should have been. Self-contained.

I lawled like kurazy at the possessed Guardians, BTW.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on March 24, 2011, 06:06:23 PM
Well we still have to see Hal vs. Guy, and Sodom Yat and the Daxamites are gonna join the fray soon I think. We'll see. And yeah, the Guardians thing was hilarious!
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 24, 2011, 07:03:06 PM
Well we still have to see Hal vs. Guy, and Sodom Yat and the Daxamites are gonna join the fray soon I think. We'll see. And yeah, the Guardians thing was hilarious!
Hal vs Guy wil certainly be entertaining, although I hope Johns doesn't write it, because he always seems to give Hal the upper hand on everything he does. I want a fair fight.

And I hope Larfleeze escapes and starts wreaking havoc like the old days. What happened to all of his amazing godly powers of an entire corps?
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Post by: Protoman Blues on March 24, 2011, 10:33:24 PM
Hal vs Guy wil certainly be entertaining, although I hope Johns doesn't write it, because he always seems to give Hal the upper hand on everything he does. I want a fair fight.

And I hope Larfleeze escapes and starts wreaking havoc like the old days. What happened to all of his amazing godly powers of an entire corps?

Well he did lose his precious
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 24, 2011, 10:50:44 PM
Well he did lose his precious
He did, but he's still got a ring and half a charge of an entire lantern corps.

He's pretty much as powerful as the rest of the New Guardians, if not more.

And when the hell are we gonna hear Larfleeze's oath?
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Post by: Protoman Blues on March 25, 2011, 05:20:06 PM
LoL, he promised us Larfleeze's oath so we'll hear it soon enough. I'm also curious as to the backstory of the Indigo Tribe as well. LoL, and the new book Red Lantern should be interesting enough.

As for Johns, after Brightest Day is over with, I really really would love him and Reis to work on an Aquaman book, even though I know it probably won't do well.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 26, 2011, 01:26:02 AM
LoL, he promised us Larfleeze's oath so we'll hear it soon enough. I'm also curious as to the backstory of the Indigo Tribe as well. LoL, and the new book Red Lantern should be interesting enough.

As for Johns, after Brightest Day is over with, I really really would love him and Reis to work on an Aquaman book, even though I know it probably won't do well.
They'll probably do it. Although Johns is planning some other Rebirth thing with Van Sciver, I've heard.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on March 26, 2011, 03:58:02 AM
Maybe it's Aquaman. I guess we'll see.
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Post by: Pyro on March 26, 2011, 06:31:22 AM
I don't know if I would ever be interested enough in "Aquaman: Rebirth" to warrant buying it. Aquaman always struck me as a blander version of Namor the Sub-Mariner though Mera was always hawt.  8)
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Post by: Gotham Ranger on March 26, 2011, 07:12:56 AM
Here's what's stopping me from continuing reading what I'm reading.

Green Lantern. I'm about to finally hit Blackest Night. I see how it spans into all sorts of things and I wonder "Dear god, how much of this do I really need to read?". And being a bit of a glutton, I like to know everything going on. And then after that, doesn't Brightest Day span over frikken everything?

Like, what is the absolute essential and what can I skip?

Other than that, I'm dreading getting towards what's it called.. Batman, Inc? The whole concept just makes me weep.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on March 26, 2011, 08:08:26 AM
I don't know if I would ever be interested enough in "Aquaman: Rebirth" to warrant buying it. Aquaman always struck me as a blander version of Namor the Sub-Mariner though Mera was always hawt.  8)

Personally I think Aquaman is a bit more interesting than Namor somewhat, plus I think you can do a lot more with his characters moreso than Namor as well.

Here's what's stopping me from continuing reading what I'm reading.

Green Lantern. I'm about to finally hit Blackest Night. I see how it spans into all sorts of things and I wonder "Dear god, how much of this do I really need to read?". And being a bit of a glutton, I like to know everything going on. And then after that, doesn't Brightest Day span over frikken everything?

Like, what is the absolute essential and what can I skip?

Other than that, I'm dreading getting towards what's it called.. Batman, Inc? The whole concept just makes me weep.

With Blackest Night, you can primarily stick to the main 3 titles of Blackest Night, Green Lantern, and Green Lantern Corps. I forget which order you should read it in, but I'm sure a quick Google search or something will uncover that for you. If you want to read some of the mini-series you can, but I don't think it's entirely necessary. Some are much better than others. And Brightest Day is pretty much self contained. A good companion book to it is Justice League: Generation Lost. Green Arrow slightly ties in as well, but not enough where you have to pick it up.

And Batman Inc. is fuckin' awesome! Again though, if you don't like Morrison's writing, then I wouldn't bother.
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Post by: Gotham Ranger on March 26, 2011, 08:15:35 AM
I'm not sure on Morrison writing. My introduction to him was Batman RIP and Final Crisis, both of which are trouble if you're unprepared for that sort of insanity :P

I'll give it a chance, though. I guess I just need to pick it back up. I was getting so close to being caught up, now I'm completely behind again.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 26, 2011, 08:50:38 PM
Aight, let's see...

For Blackest Night, you can read the three titles PB's talking about, and be cool with it. But if you're interested in The Flash, I think Blackest Night: The Flash is an amazing tie-in which explains alot of in-universe stuff.

On Brightest Day, it's not really a question of following everything. See, the repercussions followed alot of different stories, but you don't need to read any of which characters you don't care about. For Brightest Day, you follow Brightest Day. That's it. But it's by far NOT a Green Lantern book, aside from the White Lantern being on everything. Green Lantern itself deals with a completely different story which concerns the entities far more than the White Lantern, and follows with its own plot, completely independent. While Brightest Day is a Rebirth book for Aquaman, Deadman, Hawkman/Hawkgirl and Firestorm. Just follow it at your own pace, because the only thing that's likely to concern the GL book is the eventual fate of the white entity/guardian.


On Morrison... oh boy. My introduction to Morrison was the SAME THING. And I hated all of it. But I kept going, and eventually, I fell in absolute love with the man.

You gotta make a choice here. If you want to go deep into Morrison's writing, and actually understand the themes and style he's going through, Animal Man is the best introduction to his genre.

If you want to follow Batman, then start with Batman & Son. It's the start of his run, and then follow through with Batman: The Black Glove, Batman: RIP, Final Crisis, and Batman & Robin (reading return of Bruce Wayne when you get to the part when it tells you to). Reading the titles like this will give you a much better understanding for the whole story. And keep a notebook around you to write down a few themes you see, as well as stuff you don't understand yet. Because it all makes COMPLETE sense when you put all of the pieces together, and it's absolute genius.

In regards for Batman: INC, it's a whole new beginning for Batman, and the stories are basically Batman being James Bond. Being incredibly cool with gadgets and having a few shout-outs to the old wacky days with whole new villains and allies. It probably can be read on its own, although the underlying themes seem to be preparing for something big. The whole run up to the end of Batman & Robin was basically a worlds, times and dimensions-spanning war with [spoiler]Darkseid[/spoiler] that Morrison weaved through in the most brilliant way possible. The rest will probably follow through with it.

I can post you conspiracies, themes and all of the theories of the book that can be followed through all of the Batman books, and explain you all of the symbology present. But it's something you gotta choose if you're gonna follow, or quit. Because you gotta be somewhat dedicated with some of the themes to enjoy it.

The entire Morrison run
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Post by: Gotham Ranger on March 26, 2011, 10:09:28 PM
If you want to follow Batman, then start with Batman & Son. It's the start of his run, and then follow through with Batman: The Black Glove, Batman: RIP, Final Crisis, and Batman & Robin (reading return of Bruce Wayne when you get to the part when it tells you to).
Yeah, we've had this conversation before about the run up to Final Crisis with Batman. I'm trying to remember where I had stopped and it may have been just after Final Crisis. I know I've got Batman & Robin waiting for me somewhere around here when I get back to it.. Just, need to feel like it.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 27, 2011, 05:39:42 AM
Yeah, we've had this conversation before about the run up to Final Crisis with Batman. I'm trying to remember where I had stopped and it may have been just after Final Crisis. I know I've got Batman & Robin waiting for me somewhere around here when I get back to it.. Just, need to feel like it.
http://sites.google.com/site/theannotatedfinalcrisis/home

Read this before you do.

It helps. ALOT.
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Post by: Pyro on March 27, 2011, 05:09:42 PM
Looks like it's confirmed. Geoff Johns will be writing Aquaman #1 after Brightest Day.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/geoff-johns-aquaman-series-110326.html

As I said before, I think I will pass because I'm simply not a fan of the character. A would definitely buy a new Firestorm series, but 'Stormy is too obscure a character to maintain interest for very long.  :\
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Post by: Protoman Blues on March 27, 2011, 07:21:46 PM
Fan. [tornado fang]ing. Tastic.

Aquaman was easily the best story out of Brightest Day and had the most potential for a future ongoing series. Already, he's given the character & supporting cast an interesting backstory and so much room for growth. And being that he protects 2/3rds of the planet, there is so much more he can do. I am super excited about this.

Now the only question is, who's going to be drawing it.
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Post by: Ramzal on March 27, 2011, 07:24:49 PM
Is Aquaman worth reading now? I mean, I never touched it due to old school useless Aquaman, now I hear people singing his praises. Just wondering.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on March 27, 2011, 07:32:10 PM
In the Brightest Day series, the Aquaman storyline was, IMO, the best written out of the many that came from the series. His supporting cast has been given amazing new life, as has he. Also, the character and world of Aquaman has so much potential, due to all the mysteries of the ocean. Plus, Geoff Johns is fantastic at revamping older villains and creating newer ones, as well as building whole universes and stories around the characters & world, so yeah when this comes out, you should give it a look.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 27, 2011, 08:12:32 PM
AW [parasitic bomb]

MANTA CORPS WAR AND WETTEST NIGHT CONFIRMED. 8D

And on the artist, he can usually pick awesome artists for the comics. Ivan Reis and Francis Manapul, for example.

Quote
In a December interview with Newsarama, Johns said of Aquaman, "In my opinion, he’s up there with Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, the Flash and Green Lantern,"

(http://www.theclubhouse1.net/photo/albums/userpics/10001/martian.jpg)
Well [tornado fang] you too, Johns. >_> ANYONE FROM THE ORIGINAL LINEUP YOU'RE FORGETTING?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on March 27, 2011, 08:55:34 PM
He'll get to him.  8)

And yes, he usually picks fantastic artists.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 27, 2011, 10:07:40 PM
I'm kinda interested to see how he'll end this whole Krona thing. I just want a story that ends the constant EVENT-AFTER-ANOTHER thing and just gives Hal a break for a bit before he goes into more epic quests to save the universe.

...and I want Larfleeze's oath, dammit.
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Post by: Pyro on March 27, 2011, 11:19:45 PM
I'm kinda interested to see how he'll end this whole Krona thing. I just want a story that ends the constant EVENT-AFTER-ANOTHER thing and just gives Hal a break for a bit before he goes into more epic quests to save the universe.

That was why I  liked most of Johns' earlier work. He took the time to build a supporting cast, and that is the biggest weakness of Green Lantern right now. Whatever happened to his brother Jim and the rest of the family? We got an appearance in Blackest Night eighteen years ago but that's it and I'm disappointed. The definitive moment in "Sinestro Corps" was when Hal told his family to leave Coast City in GL #25 and his response was "Hell no!" Don't get me wrong, the book is doing fine right now but I am somewhat unsatisfied that we get the New Guardians for a supporting cast but Larfreeze and Sinestro aside, I'm not warming up to them a whole lot. Plus there's the fact that Hal rejoined the USAF at the beginning of the title, he's been AWOL a lot and I don't think he has that much leeway with his commanding officer. There are so many things that Johns has forgotten to address since he introduced us to the various Corps.

Come to think about it, what happened to Hector Hammond? Did Krona just remove the entity and toss him in a ditch? What about Hal's other foes? I remember there being mention of Evil Star from Blue Lantern, Sister Mercy a while back, and then there's Sonar who we haven't seen since about #4 or #5. I thought we would have seen something with him a while back.

So much missed potential.  :'(
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 27, 2011, 11:32:30 PM
That was why I  liked most of Johns' earlier work. He took the time to build a supporting cast, and that is the biggest weakness of Green Lantern right now. Whatever happened to his brother Jim and the rest of the family? We got an appearance in Blackest Night eighteen years ago but that's it and I'm disappointed. The definitive moment in "Sinestro Corps" was when Hal told his family to leave Coast City in GL #25 and his response was "Hell no!" Don't get me wrong, the book is doing fine right now but I am somewhat unsatisfied that we get the New Guardians for a supporting cast but Larfreeze and Sinestro aside, I'm not warming up to them a whole lot. Plus there's the fact that Hal rejoined the USAF at the beginning of the title, he's been AWOL a lot and I don't think he has that much leeway with his commanding officer. There are so many things that Johns has forgotten to address since he introduced us to the various Corps.

Come to think about it, what happened to Hector Hammond? Did Krona just remove the entity and toss him in a ditch? What about Hal's other foes? I remember there being mention of Evil Star from Blue Lantern, Sister Mercy a while back, and then there's Sonar who we haven't seen since about #4 or #5. I thought we would have seen something with him a while back.

So much missed potential.  :'(
Yeah, I know alot of stuff wasn't addressed, but I gotta say that the present cast still has too much to evolve. Johns has a certain way to evolve certain cast members. The commanding officer was a guy Hal disrespected back then. He was brought in so Hal could make peace with his ghosts of the past. He was simply used as a plot device after. And if he has any opinion about how Hal's been skipping so much work, he neverthless understands that an invasion of Black lanterns through the whole universe can get you alot of work. As far as Hal's brother, the very thing about him was his constant fear of danger. And the progression, from No Fear up to Sinestro Corps War, was for Coast City to acknowledge Green Lantern as the hero they trust, and for Hal's bro to lose his fear completely, having faith in the heroes to save them.

Remember the detective partners from Johns' Flash run? The old guy and the black guy? (can't remember their names). They were disregarded and thrown aside a bit as soon as his run ended, but they weren't serving alot of purpose after their story arcs had ended. That's kinda the way Johns builds each character. By building on each one at a time, and as soon as they are, they get pushed off to the side and serve their purpose later. As far as now, we're STILL finding things out about Atrocitus. Sinestro's pretty much scooped as a past, but he's being built upon. Larfleeze still has his oath to say and lotsa comedy to bring. And Indigo's purpose isn't even known yet, as well as their relationship with Abin Sur.

Let him build upon the foundation he's created. He'll get to it.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on March 28, 2011, 12:28:36 AM
That was why I  liked most of Johns' earlier work. He took the time to build a supporting cast, and that is the biggest weakness of Green Lantern right now. Whatever happened to his brother Jim and the rest of the family? We got an appearance in Blackest Night eighteen years ago but that's it and I'm disappointed. The definitive moment in "Sinestro Corps" was when Hal told his family to leave Coast City in GL #25 and his response was "Hell no!" Don't get me wrong, the book is doing fine right now but I am somewhat unsatisfied that we get the New Guardians for a supporting cast but Larfreeze and Sinestro aside, I'm not warming up to them a whole lot. Plus there's the fact that Hal rejoined the USAF at the beginning of the title, he's been AWOL a lot and I don't think he has that much leeway with his commanding officer. There are so many things that Johns has forgotten to address since he introduced us to the various Corps.

Come to think about it, what happened to Hector Hammond? Did Krona just remove the entity and toss him in a ditch? What about Hal's other foes? I remember there being mention of Evil Star from Blue Lantern, Sister Mercy a while back, and then there's Sonar who we haven't seen since about #4 or #5. I thought we would have seen something with him a while back.

So much missed potential.  :'(

Nonsense. Hal's family already proved their bravery & such in The Sinestro Corps War, and they are currently living a somewhat normal life, whereas Hal's life right now is kinda nuts, what with having to work with mortal enemies, and one with whom he's trying to figure out things with, and he's probably stressed. Why do you think Superman asked Hal when the last time he's taken off the ring? Also, your problem seems to be not that he's not building a supporting cast, but just that he did and you don't quite like them right now. He's actually built Hal quite an amazing supporting cast, one that has a lot of potential to be more than just secondary characters.

And I'm sure he'll get to Hector Hammond at some point, as well as other villains. Just be patient.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 28, 2011, 01:03:26 AM
Thing about Hammond, is that he is RIDICULOUS. There's only so much you can do with a big-headed psychic man who is a giant pervert. He's being teased alot, so he'll probably have a big role later. Hell, the part where he absorbed Ephidian was a really big participation when it comes to him. Old villains don't have much of a place in the show, but Johns uses them from time to time. Other than just being a puppet and Nekron's connection, Dead Hand did little in Blackest Night. But he was still important in No Fear's story.

Give it time.
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Post by: Pyro on March 28, 2011, 07:16:35 PM
Ah, well. To each his own I suppose.

Anyhow I found another tidbit (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/chris-roberson-superman-after-liftoff-110328.html) on Newsarama. Looks like, JMS' involvement in the later parts of the Grounded were minimal. So the whole bit about the Superman Squad was Roberson's idea. Interesting... I wonder what he plans to do when moves past JMS' sentence-length plots.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 28, 2011, 07:37:40 PM
Ah, well. To each his own I suppose.

Anyhow I found another tidbit (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/chris-roberson-superman-after-liftoff-110328.html) on Newsarama. Looks like, JMS' involvement in the later parts of the Grounded were minimal. So the whole bit about the Superman Squad was Roberson's idea. Interesting... I wonder what he plans to do when moves past JMS' sentence-length plots.
That explains the "Fourty Cakes" reference.


ALSO! New comics week amazing so far. Loved the Hal vs Guy fight, and absolutely adored the ending to Luthor's tale. Now THIS is a job for Superman.
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Post by: Pyro on April 04, 2011, 08:10:08 PM
Oh Krypton help me, I'm actually using Superman as an example for a term paper I'm writing.  :o

It's on archetypes in literature (largely based on the works of Northrop Frye), and I thought Supes is actually a perfect example of the mythic hero.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on April 04, 2011, 08:18:06 PM
Of course he's a perfect example of the mythic hero.
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Post by: Pyro on April 04, 2011, 08:44:20 PM
Naturally. I'm just hoping my Prof sees it that way. :P
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Post by: Protoman Blues on April 04, 2011, 09:15:50 PM
Honestly, if he doesn't, he's a fool. Superman is easily the greatest example of a modern day myth & legend, like the greek heroes of old. Hell, greek heroes are even put into comic books, largely in part because of Superman and him revolutionizing comic books.
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Post by: Pyro on April 05, 2011, 12:07:24 AM
Thankfully this is the same professor who gave a good mark on a paper where I psychoanalyzed "Avatar" to pieces. I should be all right if I stick to the theory. XD

That said, I'm satisfied with how I used Superman as the mythic hero. I wonder if I can use other superheroes as examples for other heroic archetypes. (like romantic heroes, high/low mimetic, ironic). Damn, too bad it took me this long to get into the groove. I have to write fifteen pages and I'm less than a third of the way through.  o-O
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Post by: Protoman Blues on April 05, 2011, 12:13:03 AM
You can use most superheroes, or just the comic book genre in general. These are essentially our greek myths, our legends. It's one of the reasons why they are making so many comic book movies, besides money. I mean, look at what's coming out this year.

Thor
Captain America
X-Men: First Class
Green Lantern

One represents a god living on a mortal plane. Another represents someone who truly believes in the spirit of American freedom and who was willing to fight for that belief no matter what. Another is a representation of the fight against bigotry, persecution, and ignorance as well as a fight for humanity both in the sense of fighting for humanity and fighting for one's humanity. The last one represents a person's own willpower to overcome fear and use said willpower to change the course of their destiny & fight.
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Post by: Pyro on April 30, 2011, 08:36:47 PM
Well, the conclusion to Brightest Day came out and Action Comics #900 got some attention over Superman's citizenship (or perhaps lack thereof). Any impressions? I have to leave for work in about ten minutes so I can't give any specific commentary at the moment but I'd be interested in hear anyone's opinion when I return.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on April 30, 2011, 08:47:27 PM
Well, the conclusion to Brightest Day came out and Action Comics #900 got some attention over Superman's citizenship (or perhaps lack thereof). Any impressions? I have to leave for work in about ten minutes so I can't give any specific commentary at the moment but I'd be interested in hear anyone's opinion when I return.

Haha, I'll be talking about it in the next episode of The Curious League of Comic Book Geeks most likely!  8D

*shameless self promotion*
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Post by: Pyro on May 03, 2011, 09:04:55 PM
Just had to share this.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d3RqCUvK3g[/youtube]
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Post by: Waifu on May 09, 2011, 06:21:20 PM
I know that the point of depowering heroes is to show that even without powers, they can still help out but I have to cry "fridge logic" as heores get superpowers form various souces. I got to ask (I may had answered my own queation) what is the logic behind depowering heroes? And does that mean that superpowera despite coming from different sources can be depleted the same way?
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Post by: Flame on May 14, 2011, 07:49:52 AM
Not a comic book, but there isnt anywhere else to discuss it without making a new topic.

Anyone watch the series finale of Smallvile?
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Post by: Protoman Blues on May 14, 2011, 08:05:28 AM
I haven't seen it yet, but I've been hearing reviews of it.

Most of them terrible!  8D
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Post by: Flame on May 14, 2011, 08:31:47 AM
[spoiler]It was ok. Pretty good even. The "terrible" comes in when they finally showed Clark in the damn suit. It looked awkward. Brandon Routh pulled it off, but Tom... Eeeeh. Dont get me wrong, he LOOKS the part of Clark Kent, but they didnt handle the scenes with "superman" that well. It's almost like they DELIBERATELY avoided direct full body close up shots of him in the suit. just movement, extreme close ups, shady distance shots, and the like. the final payoff of him just "pushing" Apokalips away was kind of lame too. For a final scene I was expecting more action and maybe a classic ol' Superman fistfight. Hell, Routh lifting new krypton and pushing THAT into outer space was much more intense than this. But nothing. He dons the suit for what, the last 10 minutes? Just in time to Save Air force 1, (off the camera, all we see is a blur go past the window) and then fly in a blur to push Apokalips. after which we see him floating in space looking back at earth in a long shot.
(which, maybe Im the only one who noticed, but it seemed like they were heavily influenced by Superman Returns on those two)

The fast forward was pretty well done, and they even played the classic superman theme, and we saw him go up to the roof and pull open the shirt. But.. I was expecting better. Especially more suit. Considering they went the extra mile just to obtain the one used in Superman Returns when DC was OFFERING them the Reeves suit, you expect them to get more use out of it.

Well at least they made him fly. Considering they didnt want him to.

So in the end, despite the almost rushed superman scenes, they WERE presented well, and the ending was nicely done. So my only real complaint was "I wanted more superman"[/spoiler]
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Post by: Blackhook on May 14, 2011, 11:38:04 AM
Well..they can still make Superman the NEW adventures of Lois and Clark 8D
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Post by: Waifu on May 14, 2011, 06:35:35 PM
What is the point of depowering heroes in some stories?
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Post by: Pyro on June 01, 2011, 12:15:51 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/life/comics/2011-05-31-dc-comics-reinvents_n.htm

I don't know if I'm reading this correctly but it appears that DC Comics is apparently doing a complete reboot of all its titles. A Johns-penned and a Lee-penciled Justice League sounds enticing but why do I have the feeling that DC is yanking my chain yet again?
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Post by: Protoman Blues on June 01, 2011, 12:21:07 AM
I had a feeling this was coming after Flashpoint. I just hope it doesn't screw too much with everything. If I were a guessing man, I'd say this is Johns' further attempt to make a more cohesive, canon DCU. He's already revamped GL, Supes, & now the Flash, so he's probably gonna use this to fix everyone in one fell swoop. I doubt he'll touch those three or what's currently happening in Batman, but everything & everyone else is up for grabs.
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Post by: Pyro on June 01, 2011, 12:34:34 AM
I'm kind of scratching my head and asking "why?"

Maybe I'm simply fatigued after previous attempts to revitalize the DCU after One Year Later, Countdown (cue shutter), Final Crisis, Blackest Night/Brightest Day, and now Flashpoint.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on June 01, 2011, 02:49:43 AM
Well Blackest Night/Brightest Day wasn't a revamp, just a big event.

Posted on: June 01, 2011, 01:02:24
...okay, I'm kinda happy now!

Quote
* A new title starring Superman written by Grant Morrison.
* Birds of Prey #1 - This new ongoing series will not feature the work of longtime "BoP" writer Gail Simone. In fact, many tried and true approaches to books will be getting a second look at DC in September.

* Teen Titans #1 - The new start for the teen team will be written by "Red Robin" scribe Fabian Nicieza.

* Justice Society of America #1 - Only one of a number of current titles that will welcome a creative team shift, the future of the original superhero team will apparently not involve current writer Marc Guggenheim.

* Wonder Woman #1 - Don't expect the recent changes from writer J. Michael Straczynski to stick when the Amazing Amazon sees another new #1 hit.

* Green Lantern #1 - Even with a new #1, Green Lantern remains in Johns' hands, and readers can expect the effects of major crossovers like "Blackest Night" to stay in place moving forward.

* Hawkman #1 - While fans have known a "Hawkman" series by James Robinson has been in the works since the writer mentioned it on a panel at New York Comic Con, Bleeding Cool's Rich Johnston has been reporting the rumor that the book will be drawn by "Batman & Robin" and "Outsiders" artist Philip Tan.

* Aquaman #1 - No surprises here. The already announced series featuring the sea king by Johns and Ivan Reis will be part of the relaunch wave.

Morrison doing Superman = PB EXTREMELY HAPPY
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Post by: Pyro on June 02, 2011, 08:52:58 PM
That takes some of the sting out but I like love Paul Cornell's take on Supes.

Posted on: May 31, 2011, 06:05:41 PM
http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2011/06/02/the-new-justice/

Some new titles announced, with Gail Simone and Ethan Van Sciver writing Fury of Firestorm? Oh [tornado fang] yeah! If it's anything like All-New Atom then I know it's going to be really good.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on June 02, 2011, 08:56:06 PM
Yeah I saw that. A lot have me pretty excited. However, Tony Daniels WRITING Hawkman just makes me sad.
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Post by: Pyro on June 02, 2011, 08:58:47 PM
Didn't James Robinson say that he was going to pen Hawkman after Brightest Day? I wonder what happened.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on June 02, 2011, 09:03:48 PM
Me too. I was looking forward to a Robinson Hawkman. Daniels though? If his Batman writing is any showing of his skills, the man should stick to art. I'm curious what Manipul does with The Flash though.
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Post by: Ramzal on June 03, 2011, 01:51:04 AM
On the Spider-man frontier, I like both directions for 616 and Ultimate.

616 pretty much robbed Peter for his Spider-sense. Causing him to lose in hand to hand fights against people like--well, Jessica Drew (Spider-woman), but instead of having him get needlessly ass-pounded, Shang-Chi has been training him to fight. I shouldn't have to say how awesome that is to any Marvel fan seeing as how Shang-Chi is about top game when it comes to hand to hand combat.

Ultimate is running the "Death of Spider-man" arc. And while people are complaining about what happened (I won't spoil it unless asked.) It shows what makes Spider-man worth the title of "Hero." Rather than "hey! He has super-powers" or "Look at him punch that guy." It shows how far he's really willing to go for the sake of the people he cares about, which is done a lot in the 616 but Ultimate, it's a "What does Peter do AFTER someone's been hurt?"

I'm impressed on the righting in Ultimate more though.
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Post by: Waifu on June 03, 2011, 05:49:39 AM
Can anyone tell me what is the point depowering superheroes? Why do comicbook writers depower superheroes depsite having superpowers from different sources?
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Post by: Rin on June 03, 2011, 08:17:49 AM
Can anyone tell me what is the point depowering superheroes? Why do comicbook writers depower superheroes depsite having superpowers from different sources?
Your question is kinda stupid, you know? I mean... isn't it obvious? They depower them because often it can provide a great concept for a story. Or because they want to get rid of some character (for a time). They depower them when they become too powerful, too.

That's all there is to it. Really.
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Post by: Gotham Ranger on June 03, 2011, 08:58:25 AM
Can anyone tell me what is the point depowering superheroes? Why do comicbook writers depower superheroes depsite having superpowers from different sources?
Superman.

That's all that needs to be said.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on June 03, 2011, 09:43:44 AM
On the Spider-man frontier, I like both directions for 616 and Ultimate.

616 pretty much robbed Peter for his Spider-sense. Causing him to lose in hand to hand fights against people like--well, Jessica Drew (Spider-woman), but instead of having him get needlessly ass-pounded, Shang-Chi has been training him to fight. I shouldn't have to say how awesome that is to any Marvel fan seeing as how Shang-Chi is about top game when it comes to hand to hand combat.

Ultimate is running the "Death of Spider-man" arc. And while people are complaining about what happened (I won't spoil it unless asked.) It shows what makes Spider-man worth the title of "Hero." Rather than "hey! He has super-powers" or "Look at him punch that guy." It shows how far he's really willing to go for the sake of the people he cares about, which is done a lot in the 616 but Ultimate, it's a "What does Peter do AFTER someone's been hurt?"

I'm impressed on the righting in Ultimate more though.

I'm not happy that he lost his Spider-Sense, but having Shang-Chi train him is pretty awesome. Even when he gets his Spider-Sense back, there's no reason for him not to train with him. Slott has good issues and bad issues. He can't write the FF for the life of him, but he's not bad at writing Spidey.

Ultimate Spidey has been excellent, and I have been enjoying it thus far. I'm curious how the Death of Spider-Man arc will be resolved.

Can anyone tell me what is the point depowering superheroes? Why do comicbook writers depower superheroes depsite having superpowers from different sources?

Depends on the story. Some stories do it well. Others, like JLA: Act of God, do it so poorly that it's unreadable.

Superman.

That's all that needs to be said.

Pre-Crisis Superman anyway!
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Post by: Tri Hex on June 03, 2011, 08:05:49 PM
Anybody reading Fear Itself?[spoiler]Bucky's death ;^;[/spoiler]
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Post by: Fxeni on June 13, 2011, 04:32:36 AM
Not too sure if I like the new look they've given Superman (http://comicbook.com/blog/2011/06/11/new-superman-costume-revealed/). Maybe I'll grow to like it, but for now... eh.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on June 13, 2011, 05:35:41 AM
I'm surprised they've kept it for as long as they have, but yeah I'll miss it.
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Post by: Flame on June 13, 2011, 06:25:31 AM
I kinda like Supergirl's new design, and Im definitely going to need to get used to Superman's new one. Its just too weird seeing him without his red undies.
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Post by: Waifu on June 14, 2011, 06:22:09 PM
Comic Book Death why? If you are going to kill off a character then make sure he stays dead.
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Post by: Rin on June 14, 2011, 07:24:38 PM
Comic Book Death why? If you are going to kill off a character then make sure he stays dead.
Good God...

You're forgetting (or are simply ignorant of the fact), that cape comics are an almost endless stream of endless endlessness. By which I mean, that they are going to go on forever. So unless a reboot happens (DURR DC), if they started killing off characters for good... they would have to come up with completely new ones, not to mention "shake up" the status quo.
And that's a [tornado fang]ing impossibility.
Because:

1. Iron Man, Spiderman and other characters like these cannot die (for long) because their [parasitic bomb] (no matter how [parasitic bomb]) sells.
2. Shaking up Status Quo? AHAHAHAHAHA! Yeah right, maybe in a different dimension.
3. THEY ARE ALL LAZY ASSHOLES!

That's (more or less) how it looks, though I might be a bit wrong about something.

Keep in mind this state of affairs is usually present only in cape comics.
Besides, you're talking like it never happens in manga/anime. Pfft.
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Post by: Waifu on June 15, 2011, 04:26:08 AM
^  :\

Maybe it doesn't occur solely in superhero comics but still they shouldn't try and kill off characters if they are just oging to revive them back. It is jsut bad writing and its only good for shock value.
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Post by: Rin on June 15, 2011, 08:35:33 AM
^  :\

Maybe it doesn't occur solely in superhero comics but still they shouldn't try and kill off characters if they are just oging to revive them back. It is jsut bad writing and its only good for shock value.
Well, I never said this kind of thing was GOOD writing.
In fact, you're absolutely right. IT IS bad WRITING.
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Post by: Align on June 28, 2011, 11:38:07 PM
(http://thepunchlineismachismo.com/comics/2011-06-27.jpg) (http://thepunchlineismachismo.com/archives/838)
I think there's a joke about blunt metaphors trauma somewhere in here.
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Post by: Pyro on July 13, 2011, 11:56:25 PM
Did anyone catch the end of Green Lantern #67? I have to say that I kind of expected it but my interest in the title is renewed.

...and is it me, or would anyone else not seeing the Guardians or the Universe dead? I swear these guys pose more a danger to the universe due to their own stupidity, ineptness, and inability to learn from their mistakes after billions of years.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on July 14, 2011, 12:12:16 AM
Haven't read it yet. Gotta pick up my books tomorrow after work.
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Post by: Pyro on August 17, 2011, 04:18:20 AM
With the end of Flashpoint, and the sort-of reboot of the DC universe coming up. I wonder what everyone's impressions of it are thus far; I was personally excited when I believed that it would be more like an "Age of Apocalypse" event and everything would return to normal. Now that we have the "DCnU" I just feel like DC is just throwing in the towel and letting the previous timeline go out with a whimper.

Maybe I'm just getting cranky because of the wasted potential (http://mysticalmonotreme.blogspot.com/2011/08/whither-wally-west-or-how-i-learned-to.html) the previous Flash had. It really sucks to be a fan of the scarlet speedster right now whether you like Wally or Barry. :(
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Post by: Protoman Blues on August 17, 2011, 06:15:44 AM
We shall see what happens!
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Post by: Pyro on September 01, 2011, 06:54:35 AM
Just read Flashpoint #5. My spoiler-free impression is that it felt like a slap in the face. I will elaborate later, hopefully.

And my comic book store sold out of Justice League. Not that I was planning on buying it, but surprised me nonetheless.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 01, 2011, 07:05:31 AM
Flashpoint #5 was disappointing, although there were some touching moments in it.  I also liked Justice League #1 but it was a little meh, but a decent start.

Here's the thing though....this reboot of DC's kinda has to succeed, or we're pretty much facing the end of mainstream comics.
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Post by: Pyro on September 01, 2011, 07:12:56 AM
A scary thought since it's pretty much my only means of escapism nowadays. All the more reason why I want it to succeed despite my misgivings.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on September 01, 2011, 08:04:47 AM
Believe me, I'm none too happy about the reboot either, but I understand its necessity. Comics as a whole, not just DC but Marvel as well, have been declining in sales. They really have themselves to blame for essentially writing for the trade all the time. From what I've heard, DC is trying to get away from that and focus more on singular story telling and light arcs here and there, which is a very good thing IMO. The problem is that I don't know if it'll work. It might very well be too late. This is pretty much a last ditch, all in type effort to try and attract new readers and fix what's broken in comics nowadays.

Personally, I don't see it working because regardless of how you spin it, it's far easier to collect trades than individual issues. Comics may very well become trades only in the future, and eventually I think it will start fading away as a whole.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on September 01, 2011, 03:41:56 PM
When you stretch the timeline out, comic books have been in serious decline since the 1980s with increased competition from other media but I suspect it was the rise of video games that was the first nail in the coffin. Then came the speculator boom that brought us a glut a rubbish comics with holofoil covers that people thought would be worth something someday when, and ended up worth pennies in the end. Its collapse accelerated to where we are now. It's pretty sad, isn't it?

I think trades are a stop-gap measure but when I cruised some bookstores in Great Falls, MT, I noticed that their (comic book) trade paperback sections were actually small than the one up here in Lethbridge. Maybe we'll see those fade out as well. Only time will tell but after I heard about the closing of Borders, I wonder about the future of print media.

Posted on: September 01, 2011, 06:35:10 AM
Oh, and on another note...

http://firestormfan.com/2011/09/01/brian-clevingers-firestorm/

Brian Clevinger's proposal for Firestorm with a showdown between the Nuclear Man and Solaris, the Tyrant Sun. Oh [tornado fang], yeah! That would have been awesome though I still look forward to Gail Simone and Ethan Van Sciver's Fury of Firestorm.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 10, 2011, 12:23:18 PM
Making every single issue a #1 in the 90s, the considerable amount of "XXXTREEM" every comic book went, the way they changed everything for shock purposes and didn't keep up with the times are the reason comic books are almost dead right now.

Comic books are supposed to be a source of entertainment for the common man. Something which is supposed to uplift one's spirits instead of bringing them down. That's why newspaper funnies and the original 10 cents issues existed. For the purpose of pure entertainment which felt amazing in the hands of kids or men with unsatisfying lives.

Currently in Brasil, DC follows a trend of several comics. They have "DC Universe", which has the three main event comics to follow, and they have the Superman, Batman and GL family comics together as a 3-issue format instead of apart. They're much cheaper that way, and people find easier to follow the storyline. They're also printed in low-quality paper, so they're pick up, read and throw away ready, just like any other magazine. Manga in Japan follows that format too. I just wonder why DC and Marvel don't do it, considering it's beneficial to EVERYONE. I'm not saying make pages black and white, but there's a cheaper paper quality which allows things like some Vertigo comic TPBs to be very cheap.


...also, CURRENT VEREDICTS!

Action Comics: Really good!
Animal Man: VERY awesome, looking forward to more, keeps with the true spirit of the character.
Batgirl: (barfs) Oh Simone, I didn't expect such crap from you.
Batwing: And I didn't expect such well-written stuff from Giffen! This is on par with my ideal vision of a Black Panther comic!
Detective Comics: Ew. Just ew. If Joker doesn't run around with John Travolta's face in the next issue, DROPPING.
Green Arrow: Standard Ollie stuff, not too excited about it. Also, hate the new design.
Hawk and Dove: Oh Liefeld. You haven't changed one bit. GRIMACES EVERYWHERE.
Justice League International: This is why the original JLI was un-canonized? Meh. Meeeeeeeeh.
Men of War: Amazing. I expect to see more of this.
OMAC: Pleasantly surprised that this issue didn't just get up from its shelf and [twin slasher] my mother, but I'm going to be cautious about it.
Static Shock: Classic Static. Pleasant surprise.
Stormwatch: Not as good as I expected, but I'm loving the horror in the comic. Let's hope they truly go all-out.
Swamp Thing: Feels right so far, but considering we only see Swamp Thing itself in a single page, I'm hoping for the true beginning next month.

Anyway, your veredicts, guys?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 10, 2011, 10:00:28 PM
Making every single issue a #1 in the 90s, the considerable amount of "XXXTREEM" every comic book went, the way they changed everything for shock purposes and didn't keep up with the times are the reason comic books are almost dead right now.

Comic books are supposed to be a source of entertainment for the common man. Something which is supposed to uplift one's spirits instead of bringing them down. That's why newspaper funnies and the original 10 cents issues existed. For the purpose of pure entertainment which felt amazing in the hands of kids or men with unsatisfying lives.

Currently in Brasil, DC follows a trend of several comics. They have "DC Universe", which has the three main event comics to follow, and they have the Superman, Batman and GL family comics together as a 3-issue format instead of apart. They're much cheaper that way, and people find easier to follow the storyline. They're also printed in low-quality paper, so they're pick up, read and throw away ready, just like any other magazine. Manga in Japan follows that format too. I just wonder why DC and Marvel don't do it, considering it's beneficial to EVERYONE. I'm not saying make pages black and white, but there's a cheaper paper quality which allows things like some Vertigo comic TPBs to be very cheap.

This is very true, and I still think writing for Trades has also killed the industry here, because there is no point to picking up single issues anymore outside of collecting purposes.



Quote
Action Comics: Really good!
Animal Man: VERY awesome, looking forward to more, keeps with the true spirit of the character.
Batgirl: (barfs) Oh Simone, I didn't expect such crap from you.
Batwing: And I didn't expect such well-written stuff from Giffen! This is on par with my ideal vision of a Black Panther comic!
Detective Comics: Ew. Just ew. If Joker doesn't run around with John Travolta's face in the next issue, DROPPING.
Green Arrow: Standard Ollie stuff, not too excited about it. Also, hate the new design.
Hawk and Dove: Oh Liefeld. You haven't changed one bit. GRIMACES EVERYWHERE.
Justice League International: This is why the original JLI was un-canonized? Meh. Meeeeeeeeh.
Men of War: Amazing. I expect to see more of this.
OMAC: Pleasantly surprised that this issue didn't just get up from its shelf and [twin slasher] my mother, but I'm going to be cautious about it.
Static Shock: Classic Static. Pleasant surprise.
Stormwatch: Not as good as I expected, but I'm loving the horror in the comic. Let's hope they truly go all-out.
Swamp Thing: Feels right so far, but considering we only see Swamp Thing itself in a single page, I'm hoping for the true beginning next month.

Anyway, your veredicts, guys?

Action Comics: I agree. Excellent.
Animal Man: Also agree. Also excellent.
Batgirl: Still willing to give this time. I'm curious how it develops.
Batwing: Probably my biggest surprise in the bunch. I really loved this comic.
Detective Comics: Tony Daniel needs to be barred from writing. He's awful.
Green Arrow: We'll see. Could be good, could be bad. too early to tell.
Hawk and Dove: "Liefeld, you're not an artist!" -Atop The Fourth Wall opening.
Justice League International: Still has potential.
Men of War: Good, but I don't know if I'll get too into it.
OMAC: Too early to tell.
Static Shock: Very nice. Look forward to more. Harlem represent!
Stormwatch: I liked this a lot and can see much potential here. Hopefully it gets better.
Swamp Thing: Erases the awfulness of the Brightest Day aftermath story. Snyder rules!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 10, 2011, 11:29:24 PM
I can imagine myself picking up a "DC Universe" magazine every week, that collects the 6 or so issues of that week. They could even have any kind of page numbers, and SO much more ads. And more and more people would buy it. It could be on all newspaper stands, and translated in alot of languages.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on September 11, 2011, 01:41:10 AM
Moviebob actually pretty much summed up he problem with comics. it isnt the continuoity thats the problem, its the advertising. They arent advertised out of OTHER COMICS or comic related magazines and such.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 11, 2011, 02:58:45 AM
The new DC reboot has a TV commercial though. And has been advertised in the subway, billboards and stuff.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 11, 2011, 08:17:07 AM
I can imagine myself picking up a "DC Universe" magazine every week, that collects the 6 or so issues of that week. They could even have any kind of page numbers, and SO much more ads. And more and more people would buy it. It could be on all newspaper stands, and translated in alot of languages.

It'd be nice, but they'd have to charge for it properly. With the current trade format, it could work. They might not have a choice.

Moviebob actually pretty much summed up he problem with comics. it isnt the continuoity thats the problem, its the advertising. They arent advertised out of OTHER COMICS or comic related magazines and such.

One of the purposes of the movies/cartoons are to advertise the comics. It tends to work too. When Batman Begins & The Dark Knight came out, sales for Batman trades went through the roof. But advertising costs money, and they're all struggling right now. This DC Reboot is essentially one giant advertisement. They are trying to get new readers in by putting everything back to #1
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 11, 2011, 11:04:06 AM
It would require a VERY high first investment, and very high risk. It would mean completely abandoning their standard practice to choose another, print a completely different format of magazine, switch their ad structure, make an ABSOLUTELY GIGANTIC ad campaign, and make sure the "DC Magazine" hits most newspaper stands in the US, not to mention get translated to places all around the world.

For a 10-15 dollar standard price, if artists and writers accept a little less pay for awhile, DC could probably pull through, and comics could become relevant again. But it's too much of a high risk.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 11, 2011, 07:16:34 PM
Not too mention that print media is slowly dying in general. At least here it is. So it might be better for them to further develop their digital front and maybe do some kind of package deal that way.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 14, 2011, 11:44:58 PM
WHY IS AMANDA WALLER HOT NOW

WHY

WHY IS AMANDA WALLER HOT NOW

GOD DAMMIT DC

GOD DAMMIT
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Phi on September 15, 2011, 12:10:01 AM
Whatchu mean, boy? Amanda was always hot.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_bOiu6sFxxdY/TBHepYn1ldI/AAAAAAAAGUs/GN97v-W6azg/s1600/Amanda+Waller.jpg)

Hubba hubba! With a side of fries, please!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 15, 2011, 12:12:57 AM
Yes, but not... stereotypical hot.

She was DELICIOUS hot.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on September 19, 2011, 04:00:00 PM
I finally got around to reading that Superman batman Annual No. 4, the Batman Beyond one.

I liked it. Was nice above all to return to Beyond era Superman. And I like how the villain was Lex Luthor, now an old man in a hoverchair. I mean, I suppose one DID sort of wonder what he was up to in that era, being an old man himself.

The fact that the colors on his chair were green and purple was a cute nod to his armors too.

The way Superman's characher became is interesting to read too. Hes a sad man, no Lois, and now that Luthor is peddling kryptonite laced drugs, he cant clean up Metropolis anymore, and instead simply resorted to indiscriminately sending criminals to the phantom zone.

When it was revealed, what instantly came to mind was JLU, when Superman Sent Doomsday to the Phantom Zone and got chewed out by Bruce for doing so, comparing him to Justice Lord Superman, playing Judge Jury and Executioner. (lampshaded by Terry commenting the same thing)

Supes deciding to leave and see the galaxy is fine, but his reasoning seems a bit, I dunno. weird. he wants to see the universe before he dies, because "Noones immortal" or something, but well, yeah, he isnt, but he still ages slowly, looking middle aged when hes probably in his late 80's by then. It would SEEM more like he wants to clear his head and meditate, ponder on his life and such, but he should have just SAID that.

Also, it seems weird that he went to the trouble of getting rid of criminals with the projector and using Terry to get to Luthor, being sad that he cant clean up the city, but once Luthor is gone and he is free to do so again... he doesnt.

I also now have even LESS idea what the hell the plates on his suit are for now.

I used to think that maybe since he was aged, the suit being black and all, it was designed to absorb sunlight better, and that maybe the plates were related to that- but now it seems they are pockets. :B I have no idea how [parasitic bomb] fits in them either. They are pretty flat.

In the end, only complaint is I wish it was longer.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 19, 2011, 04:40:03 PM
I finally got around to reading that Superman batman Annual No. 4, the Batman Beyond one.

I liked it. Was nice above all to return to Beyond era Superman. And I like how the villain was Lex Luthor, now an old man in a hoverchair. I mean, I suppose one DID sort of wonder what he was up to in that era, being an old man himself.

The fact that the colors on his chair were green and purple was a cute nod to his armors too.

The way Superman's characher became is interesting to read too. Hes a sad man, no Lois, and now that Luthor is peddling kryptonite laced drugs, he cant clean up Metropolis anymore, and instead simply resorted to indiscriminately sending criminals to the phantom zone.

When it was revealed, what instantly came to mind was JLU, when Superman Sent Doomsday to the Phantom Zone and got chewed out by Bruce for doing so, comparing him to Justice Lord Superman, playing Judge Jury and Executioner. (lampshaded by Terry commenting the same thing)

Supes deciding to leave and see the galaxy is fine, but his reasoning seems a bit, I dunno. weird. he wants to see the universe before he dies, because "Noones immortal" or something, but well, yeah, he isnt, but he still ages slowly, looking middle aged when hes probably in his late 80's by then. It would SEEM more like he wants to clear his head and meditate, ponder on his life and such, but he should have just SAID that.

Also, it seems weird that he went to the trouble of getting rid of criminals with the projector and using Terry to get to Luthor, being sad that he cant clean up the city, but once Luthor is gone and he is free to do so again... he doesnt.

I also now have even LESS idea what the hell the plates on his suit are for now.

I used to think that maybe since he was aged, the suit being black and all, it was designed to absorb sunlight better, and that maybe the plates were related to that- but now it seems they are pockets. :B I have no idea how [parasitic bomb] fits in them either. They are pretty flat.

In the end, only complaint is I wish it was longer.
...read the Superman Beyond #0 One-Shot.

...it basically explains everything that concludes Superman's story in the DCAU, right after that comic.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on September 19, 2011, 08:08:31 PM
I'll make sure to.

Posted on: September 19, 2011, 16:53:53
What you guys think about the new Suicide Squad? With the new Harley Quinn redesign?

Considering picking up at least 1-2 comics at the local Comic shop.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 19, 2011, 08:15:54 PM
Well before Flash talks about Waller's weight, I can say that while it wasn't all that good, 1 issue isn't enough to judge it fully. The issue itself wasn't all that great, but the ending opens it up for interesting possibilities.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on September 19, 2011, 08:24:49 PM
I do like the redesign in any case. reminds me of the Arkham Asylum one, only better (IMO) wouldn't surprise me if it was inspired by it.

In general though, whats your opinions on how theyve sort of re-invented Harley and separated her from the Joker as more of her own character?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 19, 2011, 11:56:55 PM
Nothing happened in the issue, aside from them assuring us that Deadshot kept his personality. Absolutely nothing, really. It was a bit like a prologue.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on September 20, 2011, 04:37:31 AM
Alright, so I read Superman Beyond, And checked out Suicide Squad.

Superman Beyond definitely does clear up things after Superman/Batman Annual No. 4

And its nice to see Bruce and Clark resume their friendship with their usual "Superman-cant-help-but-be-funny-around-Bruce" interactions.

And yeah SS is definitely more of a prologue. Does look promising though.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 20, 2011, 03:43:54 PM
I'm kinda confused as to why they'd decide to continue Suicide Squad over Secret Six. Were the sales that bad? It had a great ending, but it certainly had juice for much more.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 20, 2011, 03:49:59 PM
I'm honestly surprised Secret Six lasted as long as it did. I really don't think it had many readers at all, which is a damn shame.

I love Zatanna as well, but I highly doubt it had many readers.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 20, 2011, 04:02:54 PM
Too bad. It was one of my favorite villain books of all time, due to them acting more humanly and less "we're such cool villains". We got to see the other side of the battle, people with actual problems, family, relationships, and many other things we don't usually see in bad guys.

Let's hope Suicide Squad got some of that depth rubbed off on it.

Also, honestly believe Zatanna was a personal favor to Dini, in order for him not to leave DC. =P Didn't work, though.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 20, 2011, 04:12:03 PM
It was still good though! XD
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 21, 2011, 10:02:18 PM
It was! Even though Zee's a tough character to work with in order to bring about a new story. You can never possibly measure any kind of "power level" with her.

Posted on: September 20, 2011, 09:04:26 PM
AWWWWWW SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

WONDY BOOK IS ON FIRE

ON FIRE, I TELL YOU

I am so happy.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on September 22, 2011, 05:57:48 AM
I got a hold of Green Lantern Corps 1, and Supergirl 1. Place was out of GL 1 though.

I really like the new Super Girl Suit. I really like it. The haircut is cool too. Reminds me of Power Girl.

Say, with the New 52 and all that, does that mean previous things like the Batman Beyond comics are canceled? And I assume we wont be seeing a Superman Beyond #1.

On another note, I also bought Batman Beyond #1 and Superman Beyond #0. (I read SB, but I liked it, so I figured id buy it)
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 22, 2011, 09:59:57 AM
I got a hold of Green Lantern Corps 1, and Supergirl 1. Place was out of GL 1 though.

I really like the new Super Girl Suit. I really like it. The haircut is cool too. Reminds me of Power Girl.

Say, with the New 52 and all that, does that mean previous things like the Batman Beyond comics are canceled? And I assume we wont be seeing a Superman Beyond #1.

On another note, I also bought Batman Beyond #1 and Superman Beyond #0. (I read SB, but I liked it, so I figured id buy it)
GL books act as if nothing about the reboot happened. I like that.

Also, Beyond Universe stays where it is, but I think the Beyond comic is cancelled for now. Thank God though, they put Adam Beechen in charge, and he was kinda ruining it.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on September 22, 2011, 07:26:18 PM
Guess anything that wasnt part of the big reboot is canned until they decide to re instate it.

that said;

[spoiler]Batman swiping Hal Jordan's ring in JL 1 was just plain amusing. "Your just a regular  guy in a bat suit? Are you kidding me?" Batman: *swipes ring* "Hmm, how does this work?"[/spoiler]
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 22, 2011, 07:30:13 PM
The Beyond Universe is currently being given quite alot of attention, and alot of love with that recent comic series, the one-shot stories, the integration of a separate Beyond-like continuity in the normal DC Universe with Damian mentoring Terry McGinnis...

We're gonna see more of it, guaranteed.

Also, Bats #1 and Wondy #1 ruled. Wondy specially is the best thing I've ever seen her be the main character of. If it keeps on being as good, it'll be the best Wonder Woman run there is, and we'll finally have amazing Wondy books to speak of.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 22, 2011, 07:45:49 PM
I finally get to go to the store and pick them up today.

I had no doubt that Batman #1 was going to be awesome, cause Snyder is easily one of the best things DC has going for it right now. I was hoping Wonder Woman would be good, cause I love yelling out WONDER WOMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN like the old TV show song!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on September 22, 2011, 10:49:44 PM
The Beyond Universe is currently being given quite alot of attention, and alot of love with that recent comic series, the one-shot stories, the integration of a separate Beyond-like continuity in the normal DC Universe with Damian mentoring Terry McGinnis...

We're gonna see more of it, guaranteed.

Also, Bats #1 and Wondy #1 ruled. Wondy specially is the best thing I've ever seen her be the main character of. If it keeps on being as good, it'll be the best Wonder Woman run there is, and we'll finally have amazing Wondy books to speak of.
I actually keep seeing on that Release date list floating around the web, Januay being tossed around with Batman Beyond in it, but supposedly unconfirmed.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 22, 2011, 11:25:37 PM
I finally get to go to the store and pick them up today.

I had no doubt that Batman #1 was going to be awesome, cause Snyder is easily one of the best things DC has going for it right now. I was hoping Wonder Woman would be good, cause I love yelling out WONDER WOMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN like the old TV show song!
What I love the most about the new Batman, is that Snyder isn't being his usual crime dude thing man. In Detective Comics, he did Detective Stories. In here, he actually does BATMAN. Doing what Batman does best.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 24, 2011, 03:41:15 AM
So I finally got my comics today. Yeah, Bats & Wondy are definitely at the top of the list. I liked Supergirl too. Blue Beetle is interesting and I hope it keeps the spirit of the original Jaime comic. I also liked Nightwing as well.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on September 24, 2011, 07:21:06 AM
Wonder Woman really surprised me. I wasn't planning on picking it up but it showed up in my file so I thought, "What the hell?" and bought it.

Best decision this week.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on September 24, 2011, 07:34:56 AM
Oh dear Lord.

have you seen this..?

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/7991/supermancostume0.jpg

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5852/henrycavillsupermanmano.jpg

Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on September 24, 2011, 11:31:20 AM
Oh dear Lord.

have you seen this..?

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/7991/supermancostume0.jpg

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5852/henrycavillsupermanmano.jpg



Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 24, 2011, 11:34:16 AM
Yeah, it's been around for awhile.

Looks way, way better than expected.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on September 24, 2011, 06:32:42 PM
Not sure I dig it.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 24, 2011, 09:08:46 PM
(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqtg3mCGWf1qaqv3qo1_500.jpg)

It's basically new Superman without the belt. Colors will definetly be adjusted for the movie.

Looks close enough for me to accept it without any problem whatsoever. The shield's the right size, and the cape's huge and beautiful.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on September 25, 2011, 01:37:33 AM
What works in a comic book doesnt necessarily always work in real life.

also dont be so sure. Remember Superman Returns had maroon instead of red. Wouldnt surprise me if the way the colors are now is the way it looks in the movie.

also-
the first pic up there is apparently shopped from 2 pics.

http://www.movieweb.com/news/man-of-steel-set-photos-featuring-the-superman-costume

The suit wouldnt bother me that much honestly, but the bulge is just incredibly distracting.

It resembles the comics a bit, but minus the armored look. just tights minus the undies.

I guess we should wait for actual footage, like a trailer, but for now? "Not sure if want"

Personally, I think its a pity Routh isnt getting a second shot at the cape. He bears an uncanny resemblance to Reeve.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 25, 2011, 01:45:04 AM
It's being co-produced by Nolan in order NOT to suck. Plus, the bulge and the cape are touched up with CG. We can't just ask the man to not be endowed. The suit's probably darker to suit the movie tone, which most probably won't be as cartoony as the originals. I'm taking a wait-and-see approach, but I got a good feeling about this one. Snyder's only stinker was when he was allowed to go rampant with his own ideas. He's very good at being true to originals, and this movie's rumoured to be an adaptation of Birthright, Superman's best origin, IMO.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Phi on September 25, 2011, 02:17:01 AM
That looks [tornado fang]ing terrible. It's like the Batman & Robin movie all over again.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on September 25, 2011, 04:15:55 AM
Well Im still gonna give it a chance, not gonna knock it till I see it, After all, when i heard Nolan was involved, I was pretty sure It was gonna be good, just my initial impressions of the costume are "eeeeeeeh...."

Also, it seems Clark Kent wont have Glasses? Theres at least 2 screens of him as Clark, without glasses.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 25, 2011, 04:50:38 AM
That looks [tornado fang]ing terrible. It's like the Batman & Robin movie all over again.
Is it silvery, with pointy nipples? No. It looks like the comic book version, which is what people keep bitching about all the time for superhero movie costumes to look like.

Instead of spelling doom for the movie right off the bat by simply looking at the costime and saying it's like the worst superhero movie of all time, just wait a bit for any good footage, at least. The movie's got good actors, it's got a decent director, and Nolan is co-producing it to make sure it doesn't suck. Nothing Nolan has ever touched has sucked. Have a little faith.

Also, it seems Clark Kent wont have Glasses? Theres at least 2 screens of him as Clark, without glasses.
Clark doesn't need glasses, he uses them as a disguise. Maybe he's not with people at the time, or he's simple removing them to reveal the costume after.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on September 25, 2011, 04:54:15 AM
No duh, It just surprised me, after all they are his ONLY disguise. And seeing as this time he doesnt seem to have the curl thing going on, (Curl as superman, hide the curl as clark)

Oh, related.

(http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/4853/1316758388153.jpg)
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 25, 2011, 05:09:59 AM
they are his ONLY disguise.
Someone here doesn't know Supes has pretty much the best secret identity in DC.

(http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7248/53158060.jpg)

(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/6533/20755272.jpg)

(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/499/86654817.jpg)

All explained thoroughly. (enlarge images a bit to read) That's from Birthright, too. The one they're adapting the story from.

Here's a posture change reference from Frank Quitely:
(http://theages.superman.nu/ges/allstar/sketches.jpg)

The glasses thing is mostly a joke. Hal Jordan's secret identity is known by all close people, Wonder Woman shows her face publically, and even Bruce Wayne's secret identity has been found out by Joker, the Riddler, Ra's Al Ghul and Hugo Strange.

But nobody ever finds out who Superman is, other than in rare occasions. Well, that and Batman. But it's okay. He's Batman.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Phi on September 25, 2011, 05:50:14 AM
The glasses thing is mostly a joke. Hal Jordan's secret identity is known by all close people, Wonder Woman shows her face publically, and even Bruce Wayne's secret identity has been found out by Joker, the Riddler, Ra's Al Ghul and Hugo Strange.

But nobody ever finds out who Superman is, other than in rare occasions. Well, that and Batman. But it's okay. He's Batman.

That's the thing. Out of all the examples you gave, Batman (and pretty much all masked heroes) is the only one that can be taken realistically.

Do you honestly think changing posture, curl, glasses and having an obscure job would actually throw people off? Of course not. Superman's disguise is just a really long ongoing gag, as most super heroes need a secret identity. Clark clearly looks likes Superman no matter what, but the reader isn't supposed to take those millions of people oblivious to his alter ego that seriously.

Batman on the other hand, is a hell of a brilliant disguiser. From his Batsuit to an average hobo on the street, complete with voice change, mask and on some occasions, a stubby beard. Realistically, you would have to think, put two-and-two together, link the appearances of Bruce and Bats' (etc.) That's how some people were able to figure out his identity; scientifically.

(http://thefifthbranch.com/images/oldies/batmask.jpg)
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on September 25, 2011, 06:33:40 AM
Because Batman pulling off a person mask is more realistic.

Dont forget Toymaker has deduced Superman's Identity in "What happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" and even LAMPSHADED the fact of how funny it is that he fooled everyone with just a pair of glasses and combed back hair.

Oh back to Batman, dont forget hes also used Glasses+Mustache+Match to disguise Bruce Wayne as Matches Malone.

(http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/5646/1316564764161.jpg)
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 25, 2011, 06:48:41 AM
Superman's hiding in plain sight. His schtick is that he just doesn't get noticed, because he's an average joe. He's a typical geek people don't look at. His face doesn't get analysed, and neither is his behavior. People want to forget him instead of remembering him. He's not social or outgoing, he's a normal average joe. That's the thing. His secret identity MUST be something as obvious as this, because his main thing is that people simply don't care. Heck, most people in DC don't even think he has a secret identity. Why would he? He's a God among men. Why would he hide what he is in order to live among us?

...and even if God attempted to live among men, who would believe him?

Superman can cross many, many metaphors, but the main one is that he's an average joe, just like you and me. Clark Kent is the real personality, and he slouches and is a walking trainwreck, completely awkward because he's recognized as such. He has become a character, the lesser man most "manlier men" the Daily Planet makes fun of. He's a terrific writer, journalist and even Pulitzer winner, but he's still a joke. And that's what keeps him hidden. The fact that NOBODY gives a damn about Clark Kent, even if sometimes, people on the street go "Hey, has anyone ever told you that you look like Superman?"

Plus, it's a comic book. People are caricatures. They think as such.

Also, Toymaker made fun of that fact because Alan Moore's a grumpy old grouch who likes to bring reality into comic books. =P
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Phi on September 25, 2011, 06:57:28 AM
Because Batman pulling off a person mask is more realistic.

...
Believe it or not, Flame, using a mask is a real method for disguise. Combined with voice changing and irrelevance of a multi-billionaire even going into disguise as a homeless person in the first place. Seems like a damn good disguise to me. There's no way in hell most people wouldn't mistake Supes for Clark Kent. Especially Lois, who sees him almost every [tornado fang]ing day.  You're just supposed to go with it.

More about Batman:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ8990rMEdY[/youtube]

And this in particular wasn't even an intentional disguise. Bats isn't stupid, he knows the highly unlikely-hood of someone suspecting an insanely busy billionaire as a "crazed" vigilante dressing up like it's Halloween. 

Oh back to Batman, dont forget hes also used Glasses+Mustache+Match to disguise Bruce Wayne as Matches Malone.

(http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/5646/1316564764161.jpg)

This in itself, was a quip at the ridiculous prospect of simple glasses working as a disguise. Usually, Batman uses much more detailed and logical disguises to get his information.

 
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on September 25, 2011, 07:05:03 AM
I still found Toymaker's quip at the disgise amusing. Because it's true.

Also, I know, I know. hes the opposite of Batman, where Bruce Wayne is the disguise. Superman is really Clark Kent. He said it best himself in TAS when everyone thought Clark Died after his car fell off a cliff. He cant be Superman ALL the time or he'd go crazy.

Only Glasses are still an important PART of his hiding his Superman identity. Like the kents say. they hide his face and change it's appearance.

Oh, Superman Returns also did a little nod at that when the kid looks at Clark from the side just as the TV is showing an image of Superman from the side.

He sort of goes wide eyed and reaches for his inhaler. Then there was Lois and whatsis name pondering how Clark is similar to Superman. But then Clark sort of does something silly and they dismiss the notion.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 25, 2011, 07:14:26 AM
Putting it this way to nerds here. If you suddenly got a really popular face, without your real name attached to it, how many of those popular kids from high school who never give you a second glance would connect it to you?

Basically the same thing.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Mirby on September 25, 2011, 07:17:44 AM
Putting it this way to nerds here. If you suddenly got a really popular face, without your real name attached to it, how many of those popular kids from high school who never give you a second glance would connect it to you?

Basically the same thing.

Hate to bring Mega Man into this, but Star Force dealt with this issue exactly. Geo turns into Mega Man. People see Mega Man. OMG ITS MEGA MAN. They see Geo. OH WHOS DIS NUB?

Same basic principle.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on September 25, 2011, 07:22:34 AM
He still wears a visor though. and sometimes the art makes it, (OSS mainly) so that it hides his eyes.

But true, true...
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 25, 2011, 08:43:38 AM
Okay, for a second, pretend you have the powers of Superman. You can fly around the world in mere minutes, fly, move faster than a speeding bullet, fly, are invulernable, more powerful than a locomotive, fly and show everyone that you practically have the powers of a god. You feed off the energy of our sun, and essentailly spend most of your days helping people all over the world at any given moment. You have a home in the Arctic, you can fly to the moon and back, and have grand adventures with other beings with powers and abilites far beyond those of mortal men. You don't need money, as you don't really need anything like food, slter, clothes, or other materialistic things.

Would you have a day job? Would you deal with the everyday bullshit that the rest of us mere mortals do? The majority of people wouldn't because what would be the point. That's one of the things that actually makes Clark Kent so special. He does, because he thinks himself as a human while everyone else sees him as a god, and who thinks a god has a day job?

That is what makes his disguise work so well. Other heroes are men posing as something more. Some are gods, like Wonder Woman, and she presents herself as such. And Superman comes off similar to Diana, as a god, an alien, an otherworldly being from Krypton, and he doesn't hide his face. That's why his disguise works, because he doesn't wear a mask. The idea of him not wearing a mask is so that people trust him, and because he spends pretty much all his time saving the world and helping humanity, they do trust him.

It is the lack of a mask, the lack of mystery,the scope of his powers, and the confidence and trust of people why people don't think he is Clark Kent even though Clark looks like him, is because Clark Kent is just a man, like everyone else, whereas Superman is a god.

In Action Comics #900, Luthor obtains the powers of a God, and tries to find Superman's most painful memory and Lex is shocked when he finds out that it's the death of Pa Kent. In that moment, he finds out that Clark is Superman and he can't believe it. He always saw Superman as a god who looked down upon humanity, but comes to find out that Superman was as human as everyone else, and it absolutely infuriates Lex. He sees it as a mockery of his intelligence, as he both knows Superman and Clark, and even he could not put two and two together, because to him, like pretty much everyone else, the very idea of Clark Kent defies logic and reason.

That's why I love Superman so much. It's an idea of someone who was raised by kind, loving parents and who just tries to do the right thing with all his abilities.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on September 25, 2011, 09:29:38 AM
Yeah that really is the best thing about him. Despite being an Alien from another world and practically a God on ours, he is still the most Human person you will ever encounter. He does what he does as Superman because he's a good person and wants to help others, be it capture a bank robber, help an old lady cross the street, or inspire little kids to be good people and be successful in life. And even as Superman, he doesnt carry himself as a God or as superior to anyone- He carries himself as a normal guy, a guy who you shouldnt be afraid or intimidated to approach despite his incredible powers and imposing presence.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 25, 2011, 04:24:41 PM
(http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2009/07/all_star_superman_cover_1.jpg)

Morrison and Quitely really nail him with the way they portray him as an everyman instead of an all-powerful being. Basically, he's more human than most humans. That's what makes him SuperMAN.

I'd really recomend some reading of the original Golden Age Superman stories by Siegel and Shuster. They're still current, now more than ever due to the economic crisis, and the way they're portrayed, is probably one of the most amazing descriptions of humanity I've ever read in a single character. He didn't even face supervillains back then. Heck, the first superpowered creature he ever faced (and it was the only one for a long time, since it was a "comedy" issue) was Mr Mxyzptlk. But he just fights corporate evil, corrupt officials and dishonest crooks, not by simply using his strength, but by using his head to make out a plan, and his strength as a tool.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on September 25, 2011, 05:09:31 PM
I was pretty pleased with Supes portrayal in Superman Beyond #0 because despite being all powerful and aging slower than everyone else, He still feels himself getting older and has the same insecurities that us Humans do about getting older. He even jokingly wonders if he's going senile. Until he realizes that despite his own worries, he cannot simply hang up the cape and retire.

He even TALKS like an older man. Calling the mutated Mangler Maccaro "son" and Big Barda "Young Lady", and that he's old enough to be her Grandpa.(Though she later makes the argument that she might be older than him)
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Waifu on September 27, 2011, 05:14:56 AM
You know all this talk about Superman being a human and interesting character made me realize that Supes is a lot more than I give him credit for. I use to think of him as brick charactger with almost no personality until I got my hands on Alan Moore's "Whatever happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" and it shocked as it made me realize that Supes is a human like everyone else. Maybe I should read those Golden age books, I use to think of Superman as a flat character with no personality or depth at all but reading these posts helped me to understand why he is loved by so many people.

(http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2009/07/all_star_superman_cover_1.jpg)

Morrison and Quitely really nail him with the way they portray him as an everyman instead of an all-powerful being. Basically, he's more human than most humans. That's what makes him SuperMAN.

I'd really recomend some reading of the original Golden Age Superman stories by Siegel and Shuster. They're still current, now more than ever due to the economic crisis, and the way they're portrayed, is probably one of the most amazing descriptions of humanity I've ever read in a single character. He didn't even face supervillains back then. Heck, the first superpowered creature he ever faced (and it was the only one for a long time, since it was a "comedy" issue) was Mr Mxyzptlk. But he just fights corporate evil, corrupt officials and dishonest crooks, not by simply using his strength, but by using his head to make out a plan, and his strength as a tool.

Yeah that really is the best thing about him. Despite being an Alien from another world and practically a God on ours, he is still the most Human person you will ever encounter. He does what he does as Superman because he's a good person and wants to help others, be it capture a bank robber, help an old lady cross the street, or inspire little kids to be good people and be successful in life. And even as Superman, he doesnt carry himself as a God or as superior to anyone- He carries himself as a normal guy, a guy who you shouldnt be afraid or intimidated to approach despite his incredible powers and imposing presence.

Okay, for a second, pretend you have the powers of Superman. You can fly around the world in mere minutes, fly, move faster than a speeding bullet, fly, are invulernable, more powerful than a locomotive, fly and show everyone that you practically have the powers of a god. You feed off the energy of our sun, and essentailly spend most of your days helping people all over the world at any given moment. You have a home in the Arctic, you can fly to the moon and back, and have grand adventures with other beings with powers and abilites far beyond those of mortal men. You don't need money, as you don't really need anything like food, slter, clothes, or other materialistic things.

Would you have a day job? Would you deal with the everyday bullshit that the rest of us mere mortals do? The majority of people wouldn't because what would be the point. That's one of the things that actually makes Clark Kent so special. He does, because he thinks himself as a human while everyone else sees him as a god, and who thinks a god has a day job?

That is what makes his disguise work so well. Other heroes are men posing as something more. Some are gods, like Wonder Woman, and she presents herself as such. And Superman comes off similar to Diana, as a god, an alien, an otherworldly being from Krypton, and he doesn't hide his face. That's why his disguise works, because he doesn't wear a mask. The idea of him not wearing a mask is so that people trust him, and because he spends pretty much all his time saving the world and helping humanity, they do trust him.

It is the lack of a mask, the lack of mystery,the scope of his powers, and the confidence and trust of people why people don't think he is Clark Kent even though Clark looks like him, is because Clark Kent is just a man, like everyone else, whereas Superman is a god.

In Action Comics #900, Luthor obtains the powers of a God, and tries to find Superman's most painful memory and Lex is shocked when he finds out that it's the death of Pa Kent. In that moment, he finds out that Clark is Superman and he can't believe it. He always saw Superman as a god who looked down upon humanity, but comes to find out that Superman was as human as everyone else, and it absolutely infuriates Lex. He sees it as a mockery of his intelligence, as he both knows Superman and Clark, and even he could not put two and two together, because to him, like pretty much everyone else, the very idea of Clark Kent defies logic and reason.

That's why I love Superman so much. It's an idea of someone who was raised by kind, loving parents and who just tries to do the right thing with all his abilities.

Superman isn't an all powerful being, he is an average joe like everyone else....okay, maybe not so average.  :P
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 27, 2011, 05:48:07 AM
That was essentially my point. Superman is more human than most heroes give him credit for. His humanity is what set Luthor off in Action Comics #900. As Morrison once wrote, Superman is the superhero that other superheroes look up to.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on September 27, 2011, 06:19:29 AM
haha, Speaking of that story, I JUST realized that Jordan Elliot = JORdan ELliot. Jor El. I mean, I knew it was supes, but I just got the name XD
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 27, 2011, 10:58:18 AM
You know all this talk about Superman being a human and interesting character made me realize that Supes is a lot more than I give him credit for. I use to think of him as brick charactger with almost no personality until I got my hands on Alan Moore's "Whatever happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" and it shocked as it made me realize that Supes is a human like everyone else. Maybe I should read those Golden age books, I use to think of Superman as a flat character with no personality or depth at all but reading these posts helped me to understand why he is loved by so many people.

Superman isn't an all powerful being, he is an average joe like everyone else....okay, maybe not so average.  :P

Here you go:

(http://www.dccomics.com/media/product/6/7/6774_400x600.jpg)

READ THAT.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: The Drunken Dishwasher on September 27, 2011, 11:58:33 AM
Speaking of All Star Superman.  How is the animated film adaption?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 27, 2011, 12:02:55 PM
Halfway decent. It certainly makes you cry if you know the story of the book...

...but MUCH, MUCH worse than the comic, which is the greatest Superman story ever written, and probably that ever will be written. But it's recommended viewing after you've read the comic. Problem is, the movie only has the mainest of plots... and the comic's best parts are the ones in between, that complement the way you view the ending.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: The Drunken Dishwasher on September 27, 2011, 01:10:41 PM
Ah, I see I see.

Alright, I shall read it~
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 28, 2011, 06:40:11 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/1317215594624.jpg)

FUUUUUUUUCK YOU FIIIIIIIIIIIIIINCH.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 28, 2011, 06:51:11 PM
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 28, 2011, 08:10:10 PM
GL: New Guardians is basically this:

"Reboot? What reboot? Screw your reboots, DC. Everything's the same as it ever was and here are tons of characters no new reader would ever have a chance to know about."

Man, the WHOLE GL line hasn't been affected. Johns has more power than I thought.

Also:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/1317229601032.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/1317229862858.jpg)

Cautiously interested.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 28, 2011, 08:30:12 PM
Heh, brining Jean back again. Not surprised.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on September 28, 2011, 10:52:54 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/1317215594624.jpg)

FUUUUUUUUCK YOU FIIIIIIIIIIIIIINCH.
The [tornado fang] is this?
THE [tornado fang] is THAT?!

No, seriously, what am I looking at here exactly?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Align on September 28, 2011, 10:59:03 PM
Interesting experiment.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on September 29, 2011, 12:29:32 PM
So He became the hulk now? Either that or hes been workin out.
Or become cell buddies with Bane.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 29, 2011, 06:17:51 PM
The explanation to all of that is this:

When you put a really good artist working on a comic, AND writing it... it can go three ways.

The VERY GOOD WAY:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/04-05.jpg)

The really bad and incredibly stupid way:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/BMCv691.jpg)



...and the... the OH MY GOD THIS IS SO [tornado fang]ing HORRIBLE WHO EVEN AUTHORIZED THIS way:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/odyssey-bruce-face.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/odyssey-gun.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/batman-Odyssey-2-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/odyssey-suspicion.jpg)
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Post by: Flame on September 29, 2011, 09:27:16 PM
Oh Jesus that face
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on September 30, 2011, 07:28:48 AM
Can't. Unsee.  >^<

Does anyone have any opinions on the Fury of Firestorm? Ye gads Yildray Cinar is really improving his art.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 30, 2011, 10:57:18 AM
Can't. Unsee.  >^<

Does anyone have any opinions on the Fury of Firestorm? Ye gads Yildray Cinar is really improving his art.
Kinda meh. I dunno what is up with Gail Simone lately. She's usually awesome.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Align on September 30, 2011, 11:23:22 AM
Hm...

I was just thinking, compared to what supervillains do every other year or so, wouldn't 9/11 have been... ordinary? Was there a comic where a character (or better yet, done with multiple perspectives) reflected on that, and how war and peace went on even with metahumans around? How, though individuals may be weak, people still managed to reach this point - war and suffering included.
In an universe where such is applicable, it could also look at how humanity had progressed even before metahumans became relatively common.

Or would this be boring and trite?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 30, 2011, 11:37:26 AM
Hm...

I was just thinking, compared to what supervillains do every other year or so, wouldn't 9/11 have been... ordinary? Was there a comic where a character (or better yet, done with multiple perspectives) reflected on that, and how war and peace went on even with metahumans around? How, though individuals may be weak, people still managed to reach this point - war and suffering included.
In an universe where such is applicable, it could also look at how humanity had progressed even before metahumans became relatively common.

Or would this be boring and trite?
Kingdom Come.

DC's honestly good at giving heroes some scars after certain events and happenings. 52 has Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman quit for a year because they honestly think that after Infinite Crisis, the world is a more dangerous place with them around. Superman took a walkabout after seeing his planet be destroyed for the second time around. These things happen when it's a good narrative.

And yes, that's why Marvel's 9/11 comic was stupid. Because villains blow up half of New York every other week, so a single attack on a couple of buildings might have seem a really stupid thing to get excited over. It's good to pay homage, but it's stupid to destroy everything over it.
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Post by: Waifu on September 30, 2011, 04:30:09 PM
I liked Kingdom Come and the 9/11 thing in Marvel is a wall banger compared to all the countless galaxies, dimensions and even the universe itslef that gets destroyed every other chapter.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on September 30, 2011, 04:43:02 PM
(http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/image/Nova_3_dif_creeds.jpg)

It's why I like Marvel Cosmic better than anything else. Because while superheroes are crying about their lives and endangering thousands of people by basically screwing up at handling their villains and whatever chaos they wreak on Earth through their mood changes, Cosmic is about saving the whole damn universe and DOING THEIR JOBS RIGHT. Without drama. Without moodswings, without any kind of personal life issues going haywire whenever it's the worst time.

It's space people fighting multiverse-destroying cosmic horrors that go beyond your wildest dreams. With a monophrasal tree on your left and a talking raccoon on your right. And knowing that each of them is worth a hundred of those Earth-dwelling so called "heroes".
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Post by: Pyro on September 30, 2011, 07:44:43 PM
Kinda meh. I dunno what is up with Gail Simone lately. She's usually awesome.
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I was too busy looking at the art, but maybe we can (partly) blame Ethan Van Sciver for the writing deficiencies because he plotted it from what I understand.
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Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 02, 2011, 09:16:02 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Ashurahori/1317580327132.jpg)

THIS JUST IN.

DAN DIDIO SUCKS COCKS IN HELL.

...JUST MAKE A [tornado fang]ing REBOOTED ULTIMATE LINE, OR FINISH YOUR OLD CONTINUITY. BUT DON'T. DO. THIS. [parasitic bomb].

God dammit, Final Crisis was one of the greatest stories of all time, and all of the Crisis events have served a precious purpose in every way, even though they weren't all stellar. Why, Didio? Why?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on October 02, 2011, 11:28:00 PM
Guess that means no Power Girl.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 02, 2011, 11:39:13 PM
Guess that means no Power Girl.
Nope, Karen's there. Just that every important thing that happened in the Crisis events will be turned into something that happened in the hero's past and no epic stuff will have ever taken place in the past.


This is my way of handling this:

- ALL of DC's books are reboots and new things, all except for the Green Lantern universe books and Batman Inc.

- Green Lantern books don't appear to give a crap about the status quo because they all haven't changed a single thing. Events like Sinestro Corps War and Blackest Night happened because of Crisis on Infinite Earths/Infinite Crisis, so yeah, all of that is maintained.

- Batman Inc has already had its status shaken by Catwoman knowing Bruce's identity in #1 and not knowing it in Catwoman #1, so let's just say that it fits into the old continuity. Not only that, all events of Morrison's saga have happened partly because of Final Crisis. So yes, still fits into the old continuity.

- Action Comics is basically the prologue of All-Star Superman, as Morrison has said several times.

- All other books, good titles and bad titles, just belong in the new continuity.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on October 03, 2011, 12:16:39 AM
Nope, Karen's there. Just that every important thing that happened in the Crisis events will be turned into something that happened in the hero's past and no epic stuff will have ever taken place in the past.

Whyyyyyyyy.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on October 03, 2011, 01:32:20 AM
It's been a while since I read the rules but I'm going to x-post from my blog (http://mysticalmonotreme.blogspot.com/) and hope I'm not breaking them. It sums up my feeling on the imminent cluster-[tornado fang] I see DC getting itself into with the New 52.

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Looks like the first month of the much-hyped “New 52” relaunch has come and passed and the results look promising with Justice League going through four printings but only time will tell if DC comics can maintain this momentum. For my part, I’m not very pleased with how it turned out for a number of reasons; the foremost of them being how abrupt the news arrived. I started May 31, 2011 believing that Flashpoint—the event series that preceded the New 52—was going to be an “Age of Apocalypse” scenario where everything would go revert back to the previous continuity upon it conclusion. I was mistaken in that belief; on the pages of USA Today I read that DC would reboot their characters and I felt betrayed as a loyal fan and customer.

Long-running titles like Action Comics, Detective Comics, and recently renumbered Wonder Woman and Adventure Comics were going to be going back to number one or canceled in the case of Adventure. A tactic Marvel made famous to boost the sales of their titles of their more iconic characters because everyone knows how collectors love new number ones. Then “all” their characters would undergo a “complete” reboot, note the quotation marks because I quickly learned that would not be the case. Over the interim three months I learned that the Batman and Green Lantern would have their respective histories intact, albeit highly condensed, because the former is a cash cow for DC Comics and the latter is Geoff Johns’ baby and to hell with consistency if it interferes with his plans. As if things couldn’t get more confusing, events like “Blackest Night”, and “Brightest Day” still happened as shown despite DC rebooting several many key characters (like Hawkman and Firestorm.)

This is what I like to call the “cherry-picking” method of retconning where the author “reboots” their universe but picks certain storylines to integrate into their “rebooted” universe. Trouble is that a reboot means you start from scratch to avoid all the baggage from the previous continuity and to explain it only opens more plot contrivances. Take the reboots of Superman and Wonder Woman after Crisis on Infinite Earths; though both characters got a complete reboot two other titles, Legion of Super-Heroes and New Teen Titans continued business as usual except Superman was never a number of the Legion and Donna Troy/Wonder Girl appeared before Wonder Woman. To make things even more confusing, Wonder Woman’s membership in Justice League of America became null and void yet all their adventures still happened, except Black Canary took her place as a founding member. (Since when did BC bench press girders and tie her enemies in a lariat again?) That’s not even delving into the absolute messes that Legion of Super-Heroes and Hawkman became after the post-CoIE universe became once it turned into a rampant retcon fest,

How does this tie into the “New 52?” you may ask. My point is this: either ALL the stories before Flashpoint happened or they did NOT, there is no “SOME.” It simply jars me to read that nothing happened in Green Lantern post-Flashpoint and we get an “all-new, all-different” history for Fury of Firestorm that begins in present time when the character played a key role in Brightest Day. Is Dan Didio going to try to pull a fast one on me and replace him with another character as DC Comics’ editorial tried with Wonder Woman and Black Canary twenty years ago?

Ugh. The very thought of it gives me a headache.

Something tells me that DC Comics wants to do a complete reboot but their no editorial will to rein in the big dogs (I’m looking at Geoff Johns) and the coordination need is well beyond their means. Hence the audience is stuck with another half-hearted attempt and a major migraine that a life preserver-sized aspirin cannot fix. There is nothing wrong with the core concept of their characters but they cannot decide on what direction they want to take with their characters. After so many false starts with Infinite Crisis, Countdown, Blackest Night, among so many others, it feels like Dan Didio is jerking the fandom’s chains for short-term and negligible gains and I—as a longtime fan—had enough of it.

Please be gentle on me.  O^O
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 03, 2011, 02:47:44 AM
It's been a while since I read the rules but I'm going to x-post from my blog (http://mysticalmonotreme.blogspot.com/) and hope I'm not breaking them. It sums up my feeling on the imminent cluster-[tornado fang] I see DC getting itself into with the New 52.

Please be gentle on me.  O^O
Agreed on pretty much EVERYTHING you said. Lemme just make my things.

My main problem with it, is this. DC could have had many ways to solve this situation. They could have done what Marvel did with the Heroic Age and simply finish all of the main plotlines in order to put the status quo completely solved and begin a new starting point for any reader. They could have finished their main storyline with a BIG BANG and made an epic ending for each and every single one of the heroes, and explain the new status quo in detail, like they did in Crisis on Infinite Worlds, in which they erased all worlds and simply made a brand new one, explaining all of the changes in detail just so people wouldn't be confused. But they didn't. They could have finished the BIG storyline that's been going on since the DCU was created. The big one, everything, they could have had Morrison write up a Finaler Crisis and put all of the heroes with a big fat happy ending, just so they could start a whole new universe, completely independent, completely new and fresh. But they didn't.

No, instead, they left all of their stories and arcs mid-way, they left things unsolved, characters who had only recently gained quite alot of character and personality like Supergirl, Blue Beetle, Booster Gold, Power Girl... they're all GONE. None of it mattered, none of it was worth anything, every single bit of it was erased in an event in which the main plotline was creating a whole new universe then running away and unmaking it when the [parasitic bomb] hit the fan. We never got to hear what happened to Blue Beetle. If the Flash ever got what the Mirror Master's big mirror was for. Kid Flash got erased. Wally got shot in the head and probably never became the Flash. Clark and Lois never happened. We never got to know what Booster Gold was chasing, who was the mysterious figure in his base. We never got to know what happened to Superboy's relationship in the end. Or what happened to Terra. Was Bane's plan to go back and kill Batman after Secret Six still in place? Barry's not married anymore, but has he ever dated with Iris? Seeing as Teen Titans is just starting now, did ANYTHING EVER HAPPEN with the junior heroes? Ever? Besides from [parasitic bomb] Starfire can't remember?

It's a badly thought clusterfuck, whose only good purpose is to reboot good comics which could have simply come out otherwise like Action Comics, Wonder Woman, Animal Man, Swamp Thing, Resurrection Man, Justice League Dark and All-Star Western. All of which could have existed WITHIN the old universe, except for Superman, which could have been easily retold with minimal changes.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on October 03, 2011, 04:25:44 AM
I think this guy said it even better than I did... and in a Boston accent no less: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/4132-Continanity-Rebooted
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 03, 2011, 11:45:18 AM
I think this guy said it even better than I did... and in a Boston accent no less: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/4132-Continanity-Rebooted
I don't like Movie Bob, but he makes a good point.

And he forgets to mention the fact that comics are always rebooting and setting up new storylines, so he could have just said "Start at the beginning of any author's run." or "buy any collected edition", so they're not turned off by starting in the middle of Blackest Night or something.

Also, I hope this reboot doesn't affect Batman punching schoolgirls in the face.
(http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/5431/1317589959959.jpg)
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Waifu on October 05, 2011, 06:26:46 PM
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Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Psycho Yuffie on October 05, 2011, 08:13:22 PM
(http://www.thekliqnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/NewUltimateSpiderMan.jpeg)
The New Ultimate Spider-Man has been okay. It's still very much in the introductory phase, but I feel like the pacing might be a little slow. Two issues are out and still no Spidey? Plus, the new Spider-Man is a junior high kid. I'm not sure if Marvel is attempting to attract a younger demographic, but there's something that needs to be said about young super heroes: it's too damn easy for them to get caught up in meaningless sub-plots.

"Oh, my goodness! I need to save this guy, but the dance is in five minutes!!"

"Oh, my goodness! My super powers are being used as a metaphor for puberty!!"

"Oh, my goodness! I need to study for my test tomorrow, but I need to stop my evil clone from ruining my social life!!"
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 05, 2011, 08:30:41 PM
(http://www.thekliqnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/NewUltimateSpiderMan.jpeg)
The New Ultimate Spider-Man has been okay. It's still very much in the introductory phase, but I feel like the pacing might be a little slow. Two issues are out and still no Spidey? Plus, the new Spider-Man is a junior high kid. I'm not sure if Marvel is attempting to attract a younger demographic, but there's something that needs to be said about young super heroes: it's too damn easy for them to get caught up in meaningless sub-plots.

"Oh, my goodness! I need to save this guy, but the dance is in five minutes!!"

"Oh, my goodness! My super powers are being used as a metaphor for puberty!!"

"Oh, my goodness! I need to study for my test tomorrow, but I need to stop my evil clone from ruining my social life!!"
I dunno if you've read the first issues of Ultimate Spider-Man way back when they came out, but the story is actually supposed to mirror the older issues. He discovers his first power in the last page of the first issue, and it goes from there.

Plus, he was seen in Ultimate Fallout already.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 06, 2011, 12:44:46 AM
I've actually been really enjoying the new Ultimate Spider-Man comic.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 06, 2011, 01:08:45 AM
(http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/5833/detectivecomics2thegrou.jpg)

GOD DAMMIT, DANIEL.

TWO CHARACTERS DISFIGURED IN TWO COMICS? GOD DAMMIT.

On the other hand...

(http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/5226/animalman02rznpg1920.jpg)

Marry me, Lemire.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 06, 2011, 01:16:36 AM
Supes is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo SMUG!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Phi on October 06, 2011, 01:27:14 AM
(http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/5833/detectivecomics2thegrou.jpg)

He looks more like a white Ray Charles there.

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On the other hand...

(http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/5226/animalman02rznpg1920.jpg)

Marry me, Lemire.

Do I even want to know what this is?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 06, 2011, 01:28:25 AM
It's Animal Man, a comic which makes the DC Reboot totally worth it!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on October 06, 2011, 02:40:13 AM
Supes is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo SMUG!

That a reference to Action Comics #2? I only peeked at it.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 06, 2011, 03:18:29 AM
Both of them. He's so [tornado fang]ing smug!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on October 06, 2011, 03:46:47 AM
Oh yeah, I decided to pick up (http://mysticalmonotreme.blogspot.com/2011/10/so-i-picked-up-aquaman-1.html) Aquaman #1 on a lark, and actually liked it but I'm still on the fence it comes to picking up #2. Aquaman's never really appealed to me that much and I'm not Geoff Johns can fix that.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 06, 2011, 03:53:14 AM
I loved Aquaman #1. I'm looking forward to more.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 07, 2011, 12:28:42 AM
(http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3017/1317937360053.jpg)

Anti-Venom, along with Jameson, is probably the best part of the Spideyverse right now.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on October 07, 2011, 01:43:05 AM
And I heard they are going to do away with Anti-Venom, making Eddie Brock back into Venom.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 07, 2011, 01:49:26 AM
No. So far, Reed Richards just told him he had to give away his ENTIRE antibody-rid body to cure Spider-Island.

Stupid smartest man on Earth doesn't know how the [tornado fang] antibodies work. >_>
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 07, 2011, 02:00:05 AM
I hate Spider Island so freaking much. Oh, and Fear Itself is terrible as well.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 07, 2011, 02:39:49 AM
Yeah. Everyone Is Spider-Mans and Everyone Is Thors are pretty damn weak events. Starting to miss Dark Reign...

By the way, has anyone around here ever read any european Disney comics? The old ones, but the new ones are alright too.

I pretty much grew on those. I had two attics filled with tons and tons of old comics my dad had kept, and my country kept on publishing them for many years. I probably read all 70s and 80s Uncle Scrooge stories that have ever been published.

However, unlike many people here, I ended up hearing about Duck Tales, but never watching it. It's kinda like having one side of the world with the entire wealth of Batman comics that have ever existed, and then another side that just knows the Adam West TV show.

I tried watching it a couple of years ago, and... man, what the hell did they do to Scrooge? He used to be the roughest, toughest duck on Earth. Him and Donald toppled down dimensions and worlds, defeated microscopic menaces who planned on ending photosynthesis forever, forced Cthulhu into sleeping again, formed an equivalent Justice League parody and saved the world countless times, forged a new beginning for many, many historic characters using time machines and whatnot, used amazingly violent and not-kid-safe tactics to kill, lie, cheat and steal. And they always came out as winners. Heck, the Don Rosa comics alone still stand as some of the greatest comic books ever written.
(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/8314/thelifeandtimesofscroog.jpg)

Duck Tales just feels so... weak compared to it. Daisy's three nieces are now just a single one and the stories have her and the kids Scrappy-Doo around, while Scrooge just acts as a foil for the lessons. The Beagle Boys were called The Machine Gun Gang over here, for God's sake. Has anyone around here ever heard or read any of those comics?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 07, 2011, 03:47:27 AM
Never read any European Disney comics, but even I could see they toned down Scrooge. Still though, love Duck Tales!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 07, 2011, 04:37:21 AM
I need to scan and post some of my old comics. Possibly some Superduck/Papernik ones. Those are the best Donald stories.

Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on October 07, 2011, 10:10:26 PM
[tornado fang] yeah, Scrooge McDuck! KING OF THE [chameleon sting]ing KLONDIKE!
I still remember reading this as a kid and being [tornado fang]ing sad when they showed death of Scrooge's dad.
Or amazed when Scrooge tears down an entire ship.

Also, he burned an entire village to the ground just so he could get its lands and mine there, or something.
Scrooge is [tornado fang]ing hardcore.
You don't [tornado fang] with McDuck.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 07, 2011, 10:25:35 PM
Hell yeah. Scrooge McDuck and Donald Duck can together bring down universes.

Anyone ever heard of Paperinink/Superduck/Duck Avenger? He's popular in Europe. It's Donald's Batman alter ego, who patrols the streets of Duckberg and does stuff like question the Beagle Boys in an alley, or face off against entire alien invasions.

(http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs8/i/2005/304/a/3/PK___Paperinik_New_Adventure___by_tera83.png)

(http://www.wolfstad.com/dcw/images/comics/225px/it_paperinik.jpg)

(http://www.abload.de/img/it_pkna_48gzqqx.jpg)

(http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/2/23336/1264107-donald_duck___paperinik.gif)

In certain cases, he goes beyond what Batman has ever done. And he's a professional who's never been found out, and has Gyro build him all of his gadgets.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: ST Jestah on October 08, 2011, 12:39:25 AM
I have never heard of this badass, european versions of Scrooge McDuck nor Donald Duck, before today.
I am however, very interested in reading some of them now.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 08, 2011, 01:38:59 AM
There is a translation project for The New Adventures Of Paperinik.

http://duckavenger.blogspot.com/

And you can browse through The Life And Times Of Scrooge McDuck, the most epic Disney thing ever created, as well as every Disney comic made by Don Rosa, here:

http://disneycomics.free.fr/index_rosa_date.php

Almost all of them are out of print and not likely to be republished. Which is a shame, really.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Acid on October 08, 2011, 01:58:30 AM
Hell yeah. Scrooge McDuck and Donald Duck can together bring down universes.

Anyone ever heard of Paperinink/Superduck/Duck Avenger? He's popular in Europe. It's Donald's Batman alter ego, who patrols the streets of Duckberg and does stuff like question the Beagle Boys in an alley, or face off against entire alien invasions.

(http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs8/i/2005/304/a/3/PK___Paperinik_New_Adventure___by_tera83.png)

(http://www.wolfstad.com/dcw/images/comics/225px/it_paperinik.jpg)

(http://www.abload.de/img/it_pkna_48gzqqx.jpg)

(http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/2/23336/1264107-donald_duck___paperinik.gif)

In certain cases, he goes beyond what Batman has ever done. And he's a professional who's never been found out, and has Gyro build him all of his gadgets.

He's called "Phantomias" here as far as I recall.

And holy crap I totally forgot about him.

Thanks for reminding me.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 08, 2011, 02:02:50 AM
He's called "Phantomias" here as far as I recall.

And holy crap I totally forgot about him.

Thanks for reminding me.
It's because he was originally designed as a gentleman thief.

He was created in the 60s, and made to look like popular avenging characters like Diabolik or Fantomas. He is a distinct parody of those characters, but made by a writer who was tired of seeing Donald never get his fair share, so he created a secret identity to get back everything that belongs to him. And yes, that meant many times screwing over Scrooge. =P Not that he didn't deserve it at the time, though.

He became a superhero later on, and went on to fight criminals like the Machine Gun Gang (Beagle Boys), corrupt officials, governmental types and overall injustices upon the weak.

Italy loved him so much, that he was revamped in the 90s with these comics I just linked you to, which had him protect the Earth against an alien invasion.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Solar on October 08, 2011, 07:10:34 AM
And you can browse through The Life And Times Of Scrooge McDuck, the most epic Disney thing ever created, as well as every Disney comic made by Don Rosa, here:

http://disneycomics.free.fr/index_rosa_date.php

Almost all of them are out of print and not likely to be republished. Which is a shame, really.

Thanks a lot for reminding me that I still need to finish reading through these.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Align on October 08, 2011, 11:23:44 AM
Don Rosa makes great stories, but then he's also got that distinct style that fits the ducks so well. They're more clearly defined, rather than other artists that makes them seem sort of rubbery, like slapstick cartoons.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 11, 2011, 10:09:35 PM
Don Rosa makes great stories, but then he's also got that distinct style that fits the ducks so well. They're more clearly defined, rather than other artists that makes them seem sort of rubbery, like slapstick cartoons.
It depends on the story, really. I've seen the very detailed art he makes go completely wrong and not be suitable for certain stories at times.

Posted on: October 08, 2011, 11:46:32
[tornado fang] YEAH [tornado fang] YEAH [tornado fang] YEAH [tornado fang] YEAH [tornado fang] YEAH

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA710Zv9YH8[/youtube]



EDIT:

Today's Ultimate Spider-Man#3

- Hey, whaddup, nephew!
- You're Spider-Man!
- I'm Spider-Man's Uncle!
- I'M GETTING THE [tornado fang] OUTTA HERE

I haven't laughed like this in a long time. 8D
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on October 23, 2011, 10:47:14 PM
Oh dear lord, this quote I found (http://www.comicsbulletin.com/topten/131896456653483.htm) on Top Ten Creative Team Shake-Ups worried me.

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Danny: Bendis has been the Dungeon Master of Marvel for SIX YEARS now, making his Avengers run this mega-epic that will surely overshadow all subsequent Avengers runs for years to come.

Maybe I'm in the minority here but I deeply dislike (http://mysticalmonotreme.blogspot.com/2011/10/sometimes-marvel-worries-me.html) his run on the Avengers. Nothing about it felt Avenger-y to me--especially Secret Invasion.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 23, 2011, 11:43:57 PM
Oh dear lord, this quote I found (http://www.comicsbulletin.com/topten/131896456653483.htm) on Top Ten Creative Team Shake-Ups worried me.

Maybe I'm in the minority here but I deeply dislike (http://mysticalmonotreme.blogspot.com/2011/10/sometimes-marvel-worries-me.html) his run on the Avengers. Nothing about it felt Avenger-y to me--especially Secret Invasion.
Bendis is really good in Ultimate Spidey, but when it comes to events and such, and specially in teams, Bendis seriously sucks. They keep him on the team because he brings money.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 23, 2011, 11:48:04 PM
Fear Itself just ended. It was pretty terrible.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 24, 2011, 01:19:52 AM
Fear Itself just ended. It was pretty terrible.
So what do you think the next event will be?

Everyone Is Caps?
Everyone Is Wolverines?
Everyone Is Iron Mans?

They already confirmed Everyone Is Venoms, but I think they're gonna make two Everyone Is, like Fear Itself and Spider-Island were Everyone Is Thors and Spideys at the same time.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on October 24, 2011, 03:02:52 AM
Fear Itself just ended. It was pretty terrible.
Ye gads, why did I sit through seven issues of this?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Solar on October 24, 2011, 03:06:22 AM
Fear Itself just ended. It was pretty terrible.

Since I don't read many if any comics, could you into more detail? I'm curious.


Btw, because of Nova and Rocket Raccoon in MvC3 I've been getting interested in cosmic Marvel, what do you guys recommend me to do?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on October 24, 2011, 03:11:55 AM
Most people say start with Annihilation and proceed from there. I can't say with any authority myself because I didn't pick it up.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 24, 2011, 03:14:14 AM
Since I don't read many if any comics, could you into more detail? I'm curious.


Btw, because of Nova and Rocket Raccoon in MvC3 I've been getting interested in cosmic Marvel, what do you guys recommend me to do?
Hammers descend to Earth about other imprisoned gods other than Thor, and suddenly, EVERYONE IS THORS.

Oh, and there's this God of Fear thing which makes everyone lose all hope and feel that the whole world's about to end and there's nothing they can do about it, so they just run away. The whole thing was pretty meaningless and they killed off BuckyCap.

Cosmic Marvel is the greatest Marvel thing ever. Start with Annihilation, and go from there. It's THE starting point for modern Cosmic Marvel, as well as in my opinion, the best damn multi comic book event ever.

PMed you a torrent.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Solar on October 24, 2011, 03:30:26 AM
Hammers descend to Earth about other imprisoned gods other than Thor, and suddenly, EVERYONE IS THORS.

Oh, and there's this God of Fear thing which makes everyone lose all hope and feel that the whole world's about to end and there's nothing they can do about it, so they just run away. The whole thing was pretty meaningless and they killed off BuckyCap.

Oh, I know that much, I've skimmed it at times at the comic book shop...wait wat, they called BuckyCap? *sigh* -___-
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 24, 2011, 05:13:47 AM
It was meaningless. Fear Itself brought absolutely nothing to the table. It was just lots of epic posing without any substance at all. Plus, you have to read other Fear Itself tie in comics to have some semblance of a clue as to what's going on, and even then it's still terrible.

Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on October 24, 2011, 06:06:01 AM
And Thor dying-- why bother? We know he's coming back for the next movie.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on October 25, 2011, 07:35:13 AM
So umm...
I want to read something with that X-23 girl.
But the question is... are there any good comics with her, AND if so, where do I start?
I could look it up, but decided to ask here since I can also get an opinion on this character and its related stories.
Howgh.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 25, 2011, 08:05:23 AM
I've never really read any of her stuff, but I heard her recent main comic is pretty enjoyable.

I just read that she'll be joining the Avengers Academy group after Fear Itself, which makes me immensely happy. Because if there is a Marvel title I cannot highly recommend enough, it is Avengers Academy.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 25, 2011, 06:07:05 PM
The original X-23 series is very good.

And her current series is cool, although with a few no-nos. She feels a bit like a Cassandra Cain ripoff, though.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on October 25, 2011, 10:45:22 PM
Just read Death:The High Cost of Living, and Death: The Time of Your Life

I liked them very much. The art is nice too.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 26, 2011, 12:38:01 AM
Just read Death:The High Cost of Living, and Death: The Time of Your Life

I liked them very much. The art is nice too.
Tried Sandman yet?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on October 26, 2011, 01:58:45 AM
I'm 'bout to.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on October 26, 2011, 04:25:49 AM
So I read on Wikipedia that Kaine is now the new Scarlet Spider-- if that's the case I find myself quite annoyed that Marvel keeps teasing the return of Ben Reilly to the land of the living.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 26, 2011, 04:55:21 AM
........I really hate the whole thing. I really do.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on October 26, 2011, 05:24:01 AM
Mind if I ask what makes "Spider-Island" so horrible? (Ben Reilly teases aside.) I only glanced through it in the comic shop because I don't want to sink $4 in it.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 26, 2011, 05:29:36 AM
First of all, it reminds me of the Clone Saga in the beginning, something no comic should ever try to do. I hate seeing The Jackal because I hate him as a character/villain. I've never been a fan of Anti-Venom, so seeing him again is not very appealing for me. I was really enjoying the Venom comic until it started tying into Spider-Island. I'm really not a fan of how Marvel has been handling their big events (on Earth anyway), so this and Fear Itself have just been a total waste of time. It's just amazing how I like Spider-Man in almost every other comic (FF, Avengers) but his own.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on October 26, 2011, 05:39:57 AM
Ye gads, you know it's a bad thing when Marvel's feeling nostalgic about the Clone Saga. Granted it started out decently and I thought Ben Reilly was a compelling enough character.

As for Marvel's crossovers, even Onsalught was a much better effort than Fear Itself and Spider Island... and that should say something.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 26, 2011, 02:54:56 PM
They're not fixing the mistakes they've done in the past, they can't decide whether they want to make a serious story or just fool around, so they [parasitic bomb] all over the paper, they're turning Flash Thompson's symbiote into something less controllable, leading to the eventual status quo, and they just got rid of Anti-Venom, the thing that made Eddie Brock an interesting character for the first time in years.

This is not only ending with a whimper, but it won't make any good consequences palpable to the story, and they're just gonna keep on going with Peter's misery until it becomes impossible to handle.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 27, 2011, 05:10:20 AM
Read the finale of Spider-Island today.

........Ho-ly [parasitic bomb]. If anyone listens to my podcast, it gets a 1 out of 5.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on October 27, 2011, 06:13:25 AM
Then I should be glad I don't collect ASM. I wonder if I should pick up the Scarlet Spider ongoing even though I know it's not Ben Reilly in the costume. *Really wants to punch someone at Marvel for teasing the fanbase with his return, again*
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 27, 2011, 06:27:46 AM
Well like I said, I like Spidey in almost every book but his main one, so who knows. A new Scarlett Spider book COULD be good, even better than ASM at this point.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 27, 2011, 11:39:12 AM
It... honestly wasn't that bad, you know?

The event was bad, but the finale was decent. We got MJ and Peter getting the hint of getting back together, we got Peter being CHEERFUL and having a happy ending, and we got a decent shoehorned "Avengers solve it" finale.

It seriously wasn't THAT bad. I woulda liked to see more of Spider-MJ, though.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 27, 2011, 08:06:02 PM
It was [parasitic bomb]. It was the Spidey-MJ thing I hated the most about it, because they're still [tornado fang]ing doing it. They're still dealing with the whole Spidey-MJ bullshit scenario of teasing that they'll get back together, which they won't, and what makes it worse is that she literally serves no purpose in the [tornado fang]ing story other than to tease this fact.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Bueno Excelente on October 28, 2011, 03:30:31 PM
I like Spider-MJ for no reason whatsoever than for the fact that it's kinda hot. I'm enjoying this in a Spider-Man 3 situation. (Seeing as I honestly hated the first two movies, and I had so much fun with the way 3 didn't take itself seriously at all). Normally, superhero events nowadays are synonimous with [parasitic bomb]. There are few that can be salvaged at all. This one, for all the crap it was, didn't really bother me in a way that shits on Marvel continuously.

Seriously, stuff like World War Hulks or Fear Itself are much worse. This seemed pretty self-contained, and it left no cliffhangers. Just a few unexplained things which we'll deal with in the coming issue.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 28, 2011, 08:17:12 PM
I enjoy Spider-Man 3 as well, but it's an awful movie. Lots of movies don't take themselves seriously and are better than Spider-Man 3. As for superhero events being synonymous with [parasitic bomb], that's mainly an Earth-Marvel thing lately, as most of DC's big events and Cosmic-Marvel have actually been really good as of late.

This whole thing was not only stupid, but only served to remind me of the two worst Spidey events in history, OMD/OMiT and The Clone Saga. Having MJ in this story was 100% pointless other than the fact to once again tease the fact that they're not together anymore. In fact them being together, or at the VERY least separated due to a logical, non-devil reason, would've actually made this story better, due to the added concern of her well-being/being transformed into a giant spider creature, coupled with the relief of her "immunity" due to being around Peter so long (still a stupid reason, but whatever). MJ being able to actually see and feel what it's like to be Peter would've offered a whole new perspective on their relationship, whether together or intelligently seperated. Instead, all the thing did was what they do now with her character, and that's tease their [parasitic bomb] breakup in the hopes of keeping Spidey fans reading this [parasitic bomb] comic so that maybe they'll undo their [parasitic bomb] breakup, which they most likely won't for a long time.

And yeah, Fear Itself is a much worse event. It doesn't make this [parasitic bomb]-fest any less shitty.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on November 02, 2011, 06:45:58 PM
...ANNNNNNND it looks like Carlie Cooper dumped Peter Parker and there was much rejoicing! (If I'm reading the reactions from the fanbase right.) I didn't know much about the character but she did feel so forced after the marriage retcon. This a good or a bad thing?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on November 02, 2011, 08:30:05 PM
Well I found her character pretty pointless, as well as drawn differently in just about every issue, so we'll see where this goes.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Waifu on November 03, 2011, 05:40:35 AM
I just wonder why every Superman expy gets a deconstruction? Whether it is Supreme or the Plutonian, the superman expy gets taken apart or at elast analyzed for good measure. I am not bashing on Supes but why does he get deconstructed?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on November 06, 2011, 07:25:29 AM
[spoiler= Suicide Squad 3](http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4470/1320543455126.jpg)

I wasnt aware Harley had herself a Joker style makeover involving bleached white skin and the like; or as The Batman's Joker likes to call it, "Perma Clown"[/spoiler]
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on February 02, 2012, 05:37:34 AM
DC decides to go through with Watchmen 2. (http://io9.com/5864267/we-warned-you-watchmen-2-is-really-happening)

Well, sort of.  Discuss.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on February 02, 2012, 05:53:07 AM
It could be good. It could also be really bad.

We'll see!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on February 02, 2012, 05:57:10 AM
I'm on the fence.  The fact that it's about a different character has my hopes up for something pretty decent, but... it's a sequel.  That's where I pause.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Waifu on February 03, 2012, 02:39:15 AM
DC decides to go through with Watchmen 2. (http://io9.com/5864267/we-warned-you-watchmen-2-is-really-happening)

Well, sort of.  Discuss.

I am pretty much  on Alan Moore's side on this, this is complete [parasitic bomb] and DC cannot come up with original content on their own accord. They have to rely on Moore's ideas from 25 years ago to make them some money.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on February 03, 2012, 03:25:18 AM
It's more a prequel than a sequel. But I'm going in with an open mind.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on February 03, 2012, 03:31:13 AM
I suppose this fits here best-

you guys have got to read this.

http://english.bouletcorp.com/2012/02/01/darkness/

this is a comic that was made in 26 hours for a contest. And it's still freaking amazing.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Ramzal on February 05, 2012, 08:18:03 AM
It was [parasitic bomb]. It was the Spidey-MJ thing I hated the most about it, because they're still [tornado fang]ing doing it. They're still dealing with the whole Spidey-MJ bullshit scenario of teasing that they'll get back together, which they won't, and what makes it worse is that she literally serves no purpose in the [tornado fang]ing story other than to tease this fact.

I can see what you mean about the Spider-MJ thing but I actually kind of liked Spider-island. If for the fact that it focused on him being Peter Parker is what makes him important more than Spider-Man. He's got the powers and all, but his mind is his most dangerous weapon. The way they've been writing Spidey lately has him working more on his personal life and actually making use of his own abilities outside of the super-powered ones. (And honestly, an intelligent super hero that doesn't pull a Hank Pym or Reed Richards is needed badly.)

I think they've been doing a great job writing him, but a poor job lately in trying to mess with his love life. Carlie was... terrible. And honestly, I don't see why him and MJ should get back together. I don't even understand why they are together in the first place, short of Peter not fully understanding her and her keeping him interested for that much. But then again, I think Gwen was as good as it got for him. Someone who was his intellectual equal as well as romantically willing to meet him half way... ... ... Not counting those two kids of hers. Which was plain stupid.

Avenger X-sanction, I am not liking. If for anything I wish Cable would just kill himself and be over with it. I am tired of the whole "BUT I KNOW THE FUTURE!!!" bs with him.

Something that bugged me about Marvel though... why is it that Captain America never took an active stand against the view against Mutants or against the government making Sentinels?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on February 05, 2012, 04:44:37 PM
I am pretty much  on Alan Moore's side on this, this is complete [parasitic bomb] and DC cannot come up with original content on their own accord. They have to rely on Moore's ideas from 25 years ago to make them some money.

Moore's in not much of a position to criticize DC considering that "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" used Victorian Age (and later) characters. Not that it makes it less a worthwhile story but those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

I can see what you mean about the Spider-MJ thing but I actually kind of liked Spider-island. If for the fact that it focused on him being Peter Parker is what makes him important more than Spider-Man. He's got the powers and all, but his mind is his most dangerous weapon. The way they've been writing Spidey lately has him working more on his personal life and actually making use of his own abilities outside of the super-powered ones. (And honestly, an intelligent super hero that doesn't pull a Hank Pym or Reed Richards is needed badly.)

Well, the fact that Peter made deal with the devil realllllllllly undermines him as a hero. Spider-Man is all about responsibility but Pete couldn't live with the guilt over what happened to Aunt May and instead of accepting responsibility for the consequences of his actions (revealing your secret ID on national television is never a good idea though we have Iron Man to thank for it, I guess but Peter still listened), he took the easy way out. Joe Quesada wants to try to spin this as a noble sacrifice on the part of Peter and MJ but I don't think the fandom's buying it. Hell, he should have let JMS go the extra mile and bring Gwen Stacy back. Why does Peter need the baggage when Mephisto can erase the guilt for something as trivial as marriage?

For as brilliant Spider-Man is now compared to previous eras, the stain of "One More Day" will not go away until a far more capable editor (maybe Marvel should have Jim Shooter on speed dial) retcons the mess out of existence. So until that day I will hold fast in my belief that Ben Reilly was the real, original Spider-Man and "Peter Parker" was the clone.

Maybe radioactive spider bites make people more brittle.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Ramzal on February 05, 2012, 07:36:50 PM
Moore's in not much of a position to criticize DC considering that "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" used Victorian Age (and later) characters. Not that it makes it less a worthwhile story but those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Well, the fact that Peter made deal with the devil realllllllllly undermines him as a hero. Spider-Man is all about responsibility but Pete couldn't live with the guilt over what happened to Aunt May and instead of accepting responsibility for the consequences of his actions (revealing your secret ID on national television is never a good idea though we have Iron Man to thank for it, I guess but Peter still listened), he took the easy way out. Joe Quesada wants to try to spin this as a noble sacrifice on the part of Peter and MJ but I don't think the fandom's buying it. Hell, he should have let JMS go the extra mile and bring Gwen Stacy back. Why does Peter need the baggage when Mephisto can erase the guilt for something as trivial as marriage?

For as brilliant Spider-Man is now compared to previous eras, the stain of "One More Day" will not go away until a far more capable editor (maybe Marvel should have Jim Shooter on speed dial) retcons the mess out of existence. So until that day I will hold fast in my belief that Ben Reilly was the real, original Spider-Man and "Peter Parker" was the clone.

Maybe radioactive spider bites make people more brittle.

You know, I'm on the edge about One More Day. It was poor in execution, but I get it. Peter making a deal with Mephisto was not the best thing he could have done. At all. It turned everything out for the better in his life, but there are worse things heroes have done. I.E: Iron-man releasing Norman Osborn and being--for all intents and purposes responsible for every death Norman caused from that point on, and even his war profiteering. I can't understand Iron-man's decision on that. However I can understand Peter's better. He did not make a deal with Mephisto that would cause actual suffering to others, and the time he made that deal (Which he never would have made, if Mary Jane hadn't talked him into it. She had admitted that he would never say yes unless she convinced him to do so) his life was ruined beyond all recovery.

The stress of what his family was going through as well as what he has done to them with the best intentions would cause someone to act out of their normal character. That's natural human reaction to pressure and stress. You can only push so far until someone breaks. And the fallout from that could have been much worse. Shadowland's story with DareDevil shows how bad that can get.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on February 06, 2012, 02:13:10 AM
It still feels forced (regardless of whether the reaction was "human" or not) because Joey Q wanted the marriage magically annulled and picked the laziest plot contrivance in history to do it. 'Sides, in the case of Daredevil, he didn't make any pacts with Satan to get his life "back."
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Ramzal on February 06, 2012, 04:46:45 AM
But nearly killing people close to you is better? I'm not arguing that the execution was poor. It was. However, I can still understand Spidey snapping the way he did. (Then again, I was never one for the Mary Jane and Peter Parker marriage to begin with.)
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on February 06, 2012, 05:25:34 AM
But it still goes against everything Spider-Man is supposed to represent, "With great power comes great responsibility." 

Peter as always suffered for it because of his Uncle Ben's death, then Captain George Stacy, then Gwen Stacy, then Harry Osborn, and so forth but became a better hero because of it. The second he made that deal with Mephisto, he essentially undermined fifty years of heroism (and come to think of it, we never knew what the hell Mephisto got out of the deal.) There were probably a dozen better ways to tell the story; Peter pretty much said his good-byes to Aunt May in Amazing Spider-Man #400. Let her die. Have Peter and MJ mourn and mutually agree to go to Dr. Strange to have their marriage magically annulled via a massive mindwipe as what happened to "One Moment in Time." It would have a bitter pill to swallow but at least it wouldn't have the stain of Satan's sweaty palms over it. But Joe Quesada had Spider-Man take the easy and irresponsible way out.

I will say it once more for effect, Ben Reilly was the true Spider-Man.

...and even without him, Scarlet Spider is still one heck of a read.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Ramzal on February 06, 2012, 12:30:20 PM
And I agree with May dying. He can even take her dying. The problem was that it was indirectly her fault for getting shot and that on top of everything caused him to act outside of his nature. That is nothing if not basic human functions under high amounts of stress and pressure. Add ontop of the fact that his spouse encouraged it.... it is not unreasonable that he would do anything possible to fix that problem. Beside that,  his action did not bring any harmful implications to anyone but himself and Mary Jane who agreed to it. At that point, it almost becomes a non-issue.

Yes, Spider-man does represent "With great power comes great responsibility." However, that mantra has also included his strong unwillingness to take a life. He has killed at least 9 people -directly- with his actions. Two in which he's done with his bare hands. So.... that isn't the first time he's gone against that---even what his Uncle would expect out of him. Peter's own realization of that when he blamed Iron-Man for  his unmasking shows that. He admitted that if he said that to his uncle, Ben would retort with : If Iron-Man jumped off a bridge, would you do it too? Peter's responsibility is to his family...but he also extended it to every living person. Which he has admitted that he doesn't even tend to recall saving a number of people. Given how unselfish he's been in his life, it is not uncalled for to make a completely selfish action.

The divorce aspect of it... I agree with you was 100% childish way to do it. Namely when they had no clear reason FOR divorce short of the fact that Mary Jane has commitment issues or issues with dealing with something Peter Parker is. Or for that matter, being angry at him for saving lives and not appreciating it due to the fact that she felt dwarfed in comparison and inferior. (If you don't believe me, read when Spider-man moved into Stark Tower. No, really. She's upset more that she's called "Spider-man's Wife" and not noticed for her acting or modelling.) If a divorce was going to happen, it should have just up and happened, and for all intents in purposes have Matt Murdock help with the process/explain it to the two of them.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on February 06, 2012, 08:27:06 PM
No. It was not indirectly her fault for her getting shot. Everything that happened prior to One More Day was 100% his fault. Even with all the pleading in the world from MJ & May, Peter unmasking himself to the world was the absolute stupidest thing he's ever done in his life, because above every other superhero he knows first hand what happens when psychos find out who you are under the mask. First. Hand. And there was NO reason for him to do it. None. At all. The Registration Act just wanted them to reveal their identities to SHIELD & the Govt., not everyone. He should've known EXACTLY what was going to happen when he removed his mask, and it did happen because Marvel decided to make Peter an absolute [tornado fang]ing moron for a stupid event comic.

One More Day is the culmination of about 4-5 years of horrifyingly awful Spidey writing, from the Gwen Stacy thing to the Other to Civil War. It was a perfect exclamation point on the sad sad state of my favorite Marvel hero, a hero so poorly written that in the end it showed he had NO responsibility at all, from moronically unmasking in Civil War for the sole purpose of an event comic to having all his horrifyingly bad writing & problems caused by it magically erased. It undermines everything he was all because of horrible writing, terrible event comics, and Quesada wanting Spidey not to be married.

Spidey comics are indeed a whooooooole lot better now. Sure, I didn't care for Spider-Island that much, but you bring up reasons why you do, which is good. That's what comics are all about. As much as I didn't care for Spider-Island, it doesn't even come close to the god awful Spider-Man comics before One More Day. The fact that they are now better is both good and bad because them being much better is obviously good, what's bad is that them being much better has absolutely NOTHING to do with Peter not being married to MJ. It has more to do with the fact that THEY'RE ACTUALLY WELL WRITTEN COMICS!!!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on February 07, 2012, 12:20:55 AM
What do you think of the new Scarlet Spider comic?

Though I didn't care much for Kaine and wanted Ben Reilly to come back somehow (I really dislike how Spider-Island teased his return and gave us a huge fake-out in return) it's not too bad. There's potential in Kaine --who largely acted the way he did because he was dying of clone degeneration and didn't give a damn-- now that he's healed, and I am interested to see when the Parker gene for heroism starts kicking in.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on February 07, 2012, 12:32:15 AM
Comics that remind me of the Clone Saga are always harder for me to judge. Personally, I didn't like it all that much cause I really don't care about the character. Plus I really don't like the new suit. But we'll see where it goes.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Ramzal on February 07, 2012, 03:26:44 AM
No. It was not indirectly her fault for her getting shot.

When she supported the idea of him removing his mask, she accepted the fact that she would and could be put in the line of fire. She admitted this in  Amazing Spider-Man 532 page 23. 24, 25. (Depending on where you got your print. (God I am a nerd....super nerd. But I have my stack of comics in order. :P)

"Every day prosecutors and judges and governors and senators go to work. Knowing their loved ones may be jeopardized by their work. But they don't wear masks to work. Do you know why? Because their loved ones want it that way. Because they would rather die than see the fact they love, the face that gives so much to the world, covered in shame. Some things are worth the risk, Peter. You're one of them."

She encouraged him to unmask when he was very unwilling to do so. It is not her fault. No, (Poor choice of words) however she did enable for this to occur even when MJ was on his side about not unmasking at first. May took the risk and she was almost killed over it. In fact, he was ready to withdraw his money and leave instead of unmasking until she stopped him the next morning. His aunt put herself in that situation and gave him bad advice with good intention.

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Everything that happened prior to One More Day was 100% his fault. Even with all the pleading in the world from MJ & May, Peter unmasking himself to the world was the absolute stupidest thing he's ever done in his life, because above every other superhero he knows first hand what happens when psychos find out who you are under the mask. First. Hand. And there was NO reason for him to do it. None. At all. The Registration Act just wanted them to reveal their identities to SHIELD & the Govt., not everyone. He should've known EXACTLY what was going to happen when he removed his mask, and it did happen because Marvel decided to make Peter an absolute [tornado fang]ing moron for a stupid event comic.

I agree and disagree. When it comes down to it, it was Peter who took the action itself. So we agree there. It was stupid as hell for him to do it, another point we agree on. However, Peter's case was different. He was under the protection of Tony Stark while living in the tower. Tony manipulated him rather than talked to him about it. He used his family against him and put him in the corner. Page 15/16:

"I want you at my side, Peter. But I need you as both Peter...and Spider-Man. Openly. I'm saying that because of my position. I have to make sure everything is on the up-and-up. That means that the only way that Peter Parker can work with me--is if Spider-Man unmasks."

"It's not me asking, Peter. If you DON'T unmask, you'll be like the other powers who defy the law. Wanted criminals. Hunted. Jailed. Not just you, but MJ and your aunt, because they'd be considered accomplices. If you turn against the law, I can't have you with me. I won't be able to protect you...or your family."

He was clearly manipulated and not even given the choice to just give his identity to S.H.I.E.L.D. But rather the choice to either go all in, or be arrested and his family jailed. That gives little to no room but to either run, or fight and be caught and watch his family pay for it. Damned if you do, Damned if you don't.

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One More Day is the culmination of about 4-5 years of horrifyingly awful Spidey writing, from the Gwen Stacy thing to the Other to Civil War. It was a perfect exclamation point on the sad sad state of my favorite Marvel hero, a hero so poorly written that in the end it showed he had NO responsibility at all, from moronically unmasking in Civil War for the sole purpose of an event comic to having all his horrifyingly bad writing & problems caused by it magically erased. It undermines everything he was all because of horrible writing, terrible event comics, and Quesada wanting Spidey not to be married.

Agreed. My point is that Peter's reactions to these situations are understandable. Not -correct- but understandable for someone put in the situation when never asked to be. Not that OMIT is great. I'd rather use that as toilet paper rather than...whatever one's select toilet paper may be.

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Spidey comics are indeed a whooooooole lot better now. Sure, I didn't care for Spider-Island that much, but you bring up reasons why you do, which is good. That's what comics are all about. As much as I didn't care for Spider-Island, it doesn't even come close to the god awful Spider-Man comics before One More Day. The fact that they are now better is both good and bad because them being much better is obviously good, what's bad is that them being much better has absolutely NOTHING to do with Peter not being married to MJ. It has more to do with the fact that THEY'RE ACTUALLY WELL WRITTEN COMICS!!!

Agreed again. I do like what happened in OMIT or OMD, or BND for the most part. I took BND in stride for the sake of the idea of Peter trying to get his life back together...which took too long for Big Time to start and was painful. The Gauntlet however was enjoyable as well as Grim Hunt.  As far as MJ goes, I simply don't think they should have been married at all given her commitment issues and selfish levels of herself.

But you are right, those stories could have happened just as easily WITH them married and it would have meant little difference outside of less Carlie. In which...who really cares about her? I mean...really? Overall can we agree to one point? Joe Quesada should have just stuck to art and drawing rather than involving himself in plot points, writing or character direction? On a different note, I finally got around to reading and finishing Annihilation series... Marvel needs to make more quality like this and no more crap like Fear Itself.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on February 07, 2012, 05:20:08 AM
Comics that remind me of the Clone Saga are always harder for me to judge.

As strange as it sounds, I actually have a fondness for the Clone Saga (despite it being a train wreck) and plan to get all the trades as they come.

Should I have my head checked? :P
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on February 07, 2012, 06:26:57 AM
When she supported the idea of him removing his mask, she accepted the fact that she would and could be put in the line of fire. She admitted this in  Amazing Spider-Man 532 page 23. 24, 25. (Depending on where you got your print. (God I am a nerd....super nerd. But I have my stack of comics in order. :P)

"Every day prosecutors and judges and governors and senators go to work. Knowing their loved ones may be jeopardized by their work. But they don't wear masks to work. Do you know why? Because their loved ones want it that way. Because they would rather die than see the fact they love, the face that gives so much to the world, covered in shame. Some things are worth the risk, Peter. You're one of them."

She encouraged him to unmask when he was very unwilling to do so. It is not her fault. No, (Poor choice of words) however she did enable for this to occur even when MJ was on his side about not unmasking at first. May took the risk and she was almost killed over it. In fact, he was ready to withdraw his money and leave instead of unmasking until she stopped him the next morning. His aunt put herself in that situation and gave him bad advice with good intention.

Oh, I know what she said, and again it doesn't matter. Peter was right and if he had half a brain, or was written to have one, none of what Aunt May said should've mattered because he's not a prosecutor, judge, governor, or senator. He's a superhero and he deals with supervillains & psychopaths with super powers AND HE PISSES THEM OFF WHILE KICKING THEIR ASS. Not to mention the fact that the person he cared about and loved the most in the past was not only put in harm's way when his identity was revealed, but she was murdered. Despite what the god awful story writing of that Gwen Stacy event would have you believe, the whole point of her dying was a lesson of how important the mask is. Like the point of DC's Identity Crisis was to show how dangerous it is if someone knows who you are behind the mask, Gwen Stacy's death was the result of what happened when one of the psychopaths he fights found out who he is. Hell, Venom is another lesson in the regard. What made Venom such a dangerous and unique villain is that when he first arrived, he wasn't out for money or power or domination of the city. He just hated Spider-Man and would torture him by threatening his loved ones, and he could do this because HE KNEW WHO HE WAS. No matter what the hell Aunt May said to him, she didn't have to experience what Peter has while fighting these psychos. And it can all be traced back to the simple lesson of Spider-Man itself is that with his power came a responsibility. The mask is not a mark of shame, like she suggests. It's a sign of his responsibility.

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I agree and disagree. When it comes down to it, it was Peter who took the action itself. So we agree there. It was stupid as hell for him to do it, another point we agree on. However, Peter's case was different. He was under the protection of Tony Stark while living in the tower. Tony manipulated him rather than talked to him about it. He used his family against him and put him in the corner. Page 15/16:

"I want you at my side, Peter. But I need you as both Peter...and Spider-Man. Openly. I'm saying that because of my position. I have to make sure everything is on the up-and-up. That means that the only way that Peter Parker can work with me--is if Spider-Man unmasks."

"It's not me asking, Peter. If you DON'T unmask, you'll be like the other powers who defy the law. Wanted criminals. Hunted. Jailed. Not just you, but MJ and your aunt, because they'd be considered accomplices. If you turn against the law, I can't have you with me. I won't be able to protect you...or your family."

He was clearly manipulated and not even given the choice to just give his identity to S.H.I.E.L.D. But rather the choice to either go all in, or be arrested and his family jailed. That gives little to no room but to either run, or fight and be caught and watch his family pay for it. Damned if you do, Damned if you don't.

Haha, again I know what was said. It's one of the many reasons that I hate Civil War so much, because not only do people act out of character but because it shows Peter as a moron. Again. One, Tony Stark has pretty much never been a model of responsibility, which Peter should've known. Two, that's not a manipulation. It's a threat and Peter should know the difference. He only realized how stupid his decision was after it was too late. Again, no responsibility. Peter is many things, but he's not an idiot and Civil War depicts him as one.

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Agreed. My point is that Peter's reactions to these situations are understandable. Not -correct- but understandable for someone put in the situation when never asked to be. Not that OMIT is great. I'd rather use that as toilet paper rather than...whatever one's select toilet paper may be.

It's really only understandable if you consider how much of a moron Peter was throughout what just happened. He made every stupid decision possible and then wished away his stupidity and made his life better and sparkling fresh again. It undermines everything about the character. There's no responsibility. There's not even really any shreds of intelligence, and Peter is SMART. It's one of the reasons I like him as a character so much, because he's suppose to be responsible and intelligent, and nothing about what he did was that. Aunt May convinced him to do this. Tony Stark convinced him to do that. MJ finally convinced him to make a deal with the devil. What they all have in common is that it was still Peter's decision to make and every time he chose the stupider, less responsible choice. The only reason it's understandable is because at that point the writers made it where he absolutely had no choice AND nothing to lose by doing it and everything to gain.

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Agreed again. I do like what happened in OMIT or OMD, or BND for the most part. I took BND in stride for the sake of the idea of Peter trying to get his life back together...which took too long for Big Time to start and was painful. The Gauntlet however was enjoyable as well as Grim Hunt.  As far as MJ goes, I simply don't think they should have been married at all given her commitment issues and selfish levels of herself.

But you are right, those stories could have happened just as easily WITH them married and it would have meant little difference outside of less Carlie. In which...who really cares about her? I mean...really? Overall can we agree to one point? Joe Quesada should have just stuck to art and drawing rather than involving himself in plot points, writing or character direction? On a different note, I finally got around to reading and finishing Annihilation series... Marvel needs to make more quality like this and no more crap like Fear Itself.

Their marriage, in the long run, was irrelevant. However, what it said to a lot of nerds out there is that if you stick with it, take the hits with some stride and be responsible, you may come out on top. MJ was the hot model that nerds wanted, and that eventually Peter got. Sure, it wasn't done in the best of ways, but the point of it was that she was his rock. She was his reward after all the crap he went through. Not that she's a thing, mind you, but rather that she's who he came home to at night. Yeah, she had commitment issues and was selfish. It's one of the reasons why they actually worked so well as a couple. They could play off each other very well, considering how responsible Peter is.

Regardless, a good writer can easily work around or with something like this. Hell, Spider-Island would've worked better if they were still married, because MJ now gained a much better understanding of what its like to be him and have his power and see him first hand save the city. If they were even separated or divorced, it would've made Spider-Island a lot better because it could've helped on the road to recovery. The point of him not being married to MJ is the same point that created the whole Gwen Stacy bullshit story; they can't make Peter look too old. Carlie is useless and I really don't like her character at all, not to mention I swear she looks different with every artist that draws her. But yeah, Quesada is a horrible writer and doesn't understand Peter's character at all.

And yes, Annihilation is possible my favorite Marvel event. I love Cosmic Marvel so much. Fear Itself was absolutely garbage.

As strange as it sounds, I actually have a fondness for the Clone Saga (despite it being a train wreck) and plan to get all the trades as they come.

Should I have my head checked? :P

To each their own. I wouldn't wipe my ass with it.
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Post by: Pyro on February 07, 2012, 07:09:59 AM
To each their own. I wouldn't wipe my ass with it.

I look at it as a reason why people with business degrees shouldn't get involved with editorial. Why else would Marvel take what was supposed to be a six-month storyline and extend it to two years with no real game plan?  o//////o There were some good stories and ideas there but there was far too little wheat for the amount of chaff you got.

-The whole virtual reality and cyberspace plot (from around the time the Spider-Man titles temporarily changed to Scarlet Spider) sounded cool to me as an eleven-year-old in 1995 when the Internet was new and shiny, but now reads as insipid garbage now. 

-Making Ben Reilly the "original" Spider-Man and Peter the clone was a horrible decision and understandably torqued off a lot fans. The only reason why I bought it was because I was an impressionable kid who was starting to buy Spider-Man comics. (Though my mom did buy me a copy of Spectacular Spider-Man #155 back in 1989-- but my main exposure was still the 60s Spider-Man cartoon at the time.)

-Ugh. Maximum Clonage. Ugh! 'Nuff said.

Mind if I ask you what your first exposure to Spider-Man in the comics was, PB? I'm guessing it was earlier than mine.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on February 07, 2012, 07:17:06 AM
The original Spidey comics. My dad & bro collected a lot of comics and I would read them from the beginning to the current. It's how I read the majority of my comics before I started wasting my money & space on my own.
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Post by: Ramzal on February 07, 2012, 07:20:10 AM
WHOA! That was a hell of an accident. I meant to say

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I don't like what happened in OMIT or OMD, or BND for the most part.

My mistake on that part. Strike that one from the record.  :| I do not like that garbage. (Shows you should proof read, ladies and gentlemen.)

PB, fair enough on the decrease of Peter's intelligence. I think the highest mature decision he's made lately was Spider-Island's "chance" for him to get rid of his powers. And he responded with "Why would I do that? One way or another, these powers are a gift. Getting rid of them would be irresponsible. My uncle raised me better than that."  Again, my bad on that one.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on February 07, 2012, 07:29:20 AM
WHOA! That was a hell of an accident. I meant to say

My mistake on that part. Strike that one from the record.  :| I do not like that garbage. (Shows you should proof read, ladies and gentlemen.)

PB, fair enough on the decrease of Peter's intelligence. I think the highest mature decision he's made lately was Spider-Island's "chance" for him to get rid of his powers. And he responded with "Why would I do that? One way or another, these powers are a gift. Getting rid of them would be irresponsible. My uncle raised me better than that."  Again, my bad on that one.

Haha, no worries. Judging by the wording, I knew what you meant. XD

And yeah, that was a good part of Spider-Island. Again, I didn't like it, but it's not even close to being as bad as the worst events. I didn't like Spider-Island because I didn't care much for the story as a whole. But that's a simple matter of one's taste. OMD & OMiT are absolute abominations of not just writing, but total character destruction, all for the glorification of Quesada's moronic ego & ideas. That's the real problem with it. There's no purpose to do it other than because he wants it to be that way, and he has no problem spitting in the face of 20 years of Spider-Man history and fans in order to get what he wants.
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Post by: Ramzal on February 07, 2012, 07:39:11 AM
I don't know what I think about the new story coming up though. "Ends of the Earth." Looks like he's making with the heavy metal now what with his resources at Horizon. Does that mean his speed and agility isn't reliable here?

Outside of that, I've been reading into two other series. Aquaman and Ms. Marvel. Ms. Marvel is... okay so far. Not breath taking just okay. Aquaman is [tornado fang]ing awesome. I did not think that of all DC heroes, Aquaman---Flipper's best friend---would be becoming one of my favorites.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on February 07, 2012, 08:09:53 AM
Yeah, we'll see what develops with it. One thing I want to see more is his "Spider-Style Kung Fu" in action.

There are a lot of good DC titles out there now. Aquaman is indeed [tornado fang]ing awesome. Snyder's Batman is absolutely amazing.
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Post by: Pyro on February 07, 2012, 09:49:57 PM
PB, do you have any specific recommendations for Spider-Man since Dan Slott took the reins as sole writer? I noticed from my brief skimming of certain issues that he has got Spider-Man's voice down pretty well and I'm curious.

Also, when did Phil Urich become such a complete [dark hold]? He came across as more of a slacker in the Clone Saga trades and not outright villainous as the new Hobgoblin.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on February 08, 2012, 12:25:43 AM
I've been off & on again with Slott. Honestly, I like Spidey more in every other book but his main one. Avenging Spider-Man is fun. Spidey in FF is awesome.
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Post by: Gaia on February 08, 2012, 01:58:23 AM
Quesada

Quesadilla is a befitting name for him -- as he just throws multiple stories together into a squishy mess of moldy cheese and expired sour cream sandwiched into a crispy story line that will leave the reader with a bitter after taste.

Honestly, might as well look into Spider Island eventually. Speaking of which, the Spider-Man movie adaption seems to be more along the lines of "The Amazing Spider-Man", as the logo's different comparingly to the original trilogy.
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Post by: Pyro on February 08, 2012, 03:36:21 PM
Dan DiDio and Joe "Quesadilla" are probably the two most reviled figures in the industry right now (if you ask the fans anyway.) Hell, I don't think Jim Shooter ever got that much vitriol. Then again, Shooter actually produced more good results from his heavy-handed editing.

And is it me or is "DC New" turning into early 90s Marvel? They hired Tom DeFalco, Howard Mackie, and Scott Lobdell to write Legion Lost/Ravager/Teen Titans/Superboy/Red Hood and that's the vibe I get from those books.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on February 08, 2012, 08:09:54 PM
Quite a few DC books seem like 90's books, and a lot of them for the worse.
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Post by: Pyro on February 08, 2012, 08:50:55 PM
Teen Titans is a prime example, but I consider it a guilty pleasure.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on February 09, 2012, 06:54:15 AM
More people need to read Demon Knights. I really don't want that book to get cancelled!

Posted on: February 08, 2012, 02:18:09 PM
I just spend the last 30-40 minutes writing a response to someone on io9 about the changes to Wonder Woman and why DC is doing what they're doing. Heh, this is why I don't go on Comic Book forums and discuss comics with people. XD
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Post by: Pyro on February 09, 2012, 03:20:31 PM
I usually go on Comic Bloc to sit back and watch the fireworks myself. Sometimes I will make a flippant comment or two.  :P
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Post by: Ramzal on February 19, 2012, 03:14:45 PM
I just picked up New Avengers 21 and I liked what I saw. The fight between the New Avengers and Ragnorak was drastic and well executed. What I have a problem with is for some reason people STILL TAKING A LIKING TOWARDS NORMAN OSBORN. For Christ sake, he held a pumpkin bomb up to a little girl's face and threatened to blow her face off if Spider-man didn't gut himself with a stake knife on live TV. How is it that anyone is even going for the whole "I'll protect you for the big, bad heroes who just saved you all from a god of Fear! Who in which wrecked everything and killed millions!" ([tornado fang] you, fear itself.) Worse is the showing of how dumb the people in the Marvel universe are. Being suspicious about people who can fly and shoot eye beams out of their eyes, fine.

Protesting the people trying to help you--you have that right so go where your stupidity takes you. Attacking a mother who is just trying to take her baby to safety because she can fly and said something that made sense? Congratulations Marvel-New York City! You have now been downgraded to Tennessee level of stupid. But, when it's mainly the New Avengers things are going good.....except that The Thing is nowhere in sight. Anyways, it's much better than the main Avengers title.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on February 19, 2012, 08:02:16 PM
I hate what they're trying to do with Osborn. He's NOT Lex Luthor but they're trying to make him into that.
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Post by: Ramzal on February 19, 2012, 09:22:17 PM
If anyone is a Lex in Marvel, it'd be Wilson Fisk. And even then, he's a criminal.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on February 19, 2012, 09:28:16 PM
Exactly. The point is that it's most certainly not Norman Osborn.
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Post by: Pyro on February 20, 2012, 12:04:59 AM
Osborn is just the nutcase who fired a lucky shot at the Skrull empress... and the United States government handed him control of SHIELD (reformed into HAMMER) because of it. I'm of the school of thought that the denizens of the Marvel universe are too stupid to live (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TooDumbToLive/ComicBooks). Me-- I think Doctor Doom is a better Lex Luthor analogue in some respects because he's a super-genius and rules Latveria so he can flout the law because he has diplomatic immunity. Kingpin is only similar to Lex in that he's both rich and can project a law-abiding image as Wilson Fisk. Lex was never really a crime boss, just a ruthless corporate raider.

On another note, I've been recording a lot of the 90s animated Spider-Man lately and I don't see why it gets a lot of hate. Yeah, it recycles a lot of animation (which the 60s show did even more egregiously) and its quality is below Batman: TAS, and the network censors truncated it by removing realistic handguns and hand-to-hand combat. Yet I think John Semper and his writers did a very good job of condensing the comic storylines. Plus, Christopher Daniel Barnes' delivery of those scripts was fantastic.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on February 20, 2012, 12:20:09 AM
Yeah, it recycles a lot of animation (which the 60s show did even more egregiously) and its quality is below Batman: TAS, and the network censors truncated it by removing realistic handguns and hand-to-hand combat.

Well those are pretty much the main problems. Not only did they re-use a lot of animation, but some of the animation itself was pretty weak, especially the 3D computer imaging stuff. Sometimes it distracted away from the scene. The censorship also didn't help either. Also, I personally don't think the writing was all that good, especially as the show progressed. The Venom saga was handled pretty well though.
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Post by: Pyro on February 20, 2012, 12:34:21 AM
It was a step up from the stilted dialogue of "Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends" from what I've seen on YouTube. Then again, animation was still in the ghetto back in the 1980s I shouldn't be too harsh. I try to look at it this way: "90s Spider-Man" was a stepping stone to the much better "Spectular Spider-Man" ("Spider-Man Unlimited" nonwithstanding.) My fondness for the 90s show may be through rose-colored glasses. I only watched up to half-way through "The Sins of the Father" storyline-- when my cut snipped the cable.

Also out curiosity, what's your opinion of the X-Men animated series at the time?
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Post by: Protoman Blues on February 20, 2012, 04:43:53 AM
Spectacular Spider-Man is probably the best cartoon Spidey's ever had. The problem with the 90's Spidey cartoon is that it had much stronger competition at the time from the Batman cartoon & the X-Men cartoon. The X-Men animated series was extremely well done pretty much for it's entire run until they changed the animation style towards the end.
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Post by: Pyro on February 20, 2012, 05:19:44 AM
Spectacular Spider-Man is probably the best cartoon Spidey's ever had. The problem with the 90's Spidey cartoon is that it had much stronger competition at the time from the Batman cartoon & the X-Men cartoon. The X-Men animated series was extremely well done pretty much for it's entire run until they changed the animation style towards the end.

Well, the X-Men/Spider-Man team-up "Mutant Agenda" was pure win to me. Especially since they had to fly in the cast of X-Men from Canada to record their lines.

It should also be worth noting that George Buza (who voiced Beast) played a bit part in the movie as the truck driver that drove Rogue to that bar where she met Wolverine. Funny how it's summer time in New York in X-Men/X2, yet it snows in Alberta (where I live, by the way.) What's up with that?
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Post by: Acid on February 22, 2012, 02:03:24 PM
Recently started reading Invincible.

Liking it so far, I think I'll continue.
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Post by: Flame on February 22, 2012, 05:38:00 PM
Spectacular Spider-Man is probably the best cartoon Spidey's ever had. The problem with the 90's Spidey cartoon is that it had much stronger competition at the time from the Batman cartoon & the X-Men cartoon. The X-Men animated series was extremely well done pretty much for it's entire run until they changed the animation style towards the end.
what about X men Evolution? I thought that was pretty good too.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on February 23, 2012, 04:36:47 AM
Recently started reading Invincible.

Liking it so far, I think I'll continue.

Invincible is very good, from the beginning huge graphic novel I borrowed from my friend!

what about X men Evolution? I thought that was pretty good too.

The first season is kinda weak but overall yeah it's a pretty solid show.
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Post by: Waifu on February 23, 2012, 06:43:00 AM
I only read two volumes of Invincible myself but I need to buy more volumes.

@Protoman Blues Why does Superman get deconstructed a lot in comics?
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Post by: Pyro on February 23, 2012, 06:52:38 AM
@Protoman Blues Why does Superman get deconstructed a lot in comics?

Been hanging around TV Tropes lately? I saw a how topic devoted to that question on their forums. :P
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Post by: Protoman Blues on February 23, 2012, 08:32:37 PM
@Protoman Blues Why does Superman get deconstructed a lot in comics?

Cause he's Superman. He's the first, the one a lot measure up against.
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Post by: Align on February 24, 2012, 02:05:27 AM
@Protoman Blues Why does Superman get deconstructed a lot in comics?
What else are you going to do with him? Attack him? He's invulnerable. Threaten his loved ones? He'll freeze breath your face off. Use one of his weaknesses? [sonic slicer] please. He'll just go so fast he goes back in time
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Post by: Pyro on February 24, 2012, 05:32:49 AM
Use one of his weaknesses? [sonic slicer] please. He'll just go so fast he goes back in time

In the sixties, yes. But Supes has gotten slower in his old age.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on February 24, 2012, 06:13:10 AM
In the sixties, yes. But Supes has gotten slower in his old age.

Haha, by slower you mean "not god" and all that!
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Post by: Pyro on February 27, 2012, 09:13:32 PM
Haha, by slower you mean "not god" and all that!
I heard he also pulled a hernia what he attempted to tow the Moon on a chain. Maybe he should let the younger guys like Captain Marvel do the heavy lifting now.

Also, my copy of "Justice League: Doom" shipped from Amazon. Happiness!

Posted on: February 24, 2012, 09:51:43 AM
Found this review of the first DCnU Flash arc (http://www.threeifbyspace.net/2012/02/dc-comics-reboot-review-the-flash/) and it makes me regret not picking it up (there's the hardcover coming out in August but...) Nice that they finally got the Flash back on track after has has been a very rough six years for the character.

Fury of Firestorm on the other hand, I dropped it simply because there is very little to like. The overall premise of the Firestorm protocols is interesting enough (as is the new Pozhar) but I strongly dislike the characterization of Ronnie Raymond and Jason Rusch.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on February 27, 2012, 11:13:41 PM
Wait, you HAVEN'T been reading The Flash? Holy crap, it's AWESOME!! Not only did I like the story, but it's only under Batwoman for the best art in comics right now. Francis is incredible!

And Fury of Firestorm was absolutely garbage. I stopped caring after the 2nd issue. They managed to do the impossible and make Ronnie & Jason even more insufferable together then they were in Brightest Day.
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Post by: Pyro on February 28, 2012, 01:31:14 AM
Wait, you HAVEN'T been reading The Flash? Holy crap, it's AWESOME!! Not only did I like the story, but it's only under Batwoman for the best art in comics right now. Francis is incredible!
Not only that he's been on schedule for these past six months when a lot of other artists have difficultly keeping up. He's really bringing his "A" game this time.

And Fury of Firestorm was absolutely garbage. I stopped caring after the 2nd issue. They managed to do the impossible and make Ronnie & Jason even more insufferable together then they were in Brightest Day.
You know it's bad when a longtime fan of ol' Matchstick can't defend it. As I said, I liked some stuff (and I forgot to mention that I kind of like old supporting cast member Cliff Carmichael becoming a snarky mercenary) it's horrible on the whole. What really gets me is the senseless violence, remember the first issue where Cliff and Co. tortured a scientist and shot up a High School. I'm better off reading the original Gerry Conway-penned issues.
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Post by: Ramzal on February 29, 2012, 04:03:57 PM
Correct me if I am wrong here, but is it me or is Superman -extremely- selfish? I think I agree with Lex's opinion about the fortress of solitude. Superman could advance humanity by thousands of years, even cure diseases but he keeps it to himself. His actions save lives but when ever it comes down to something he really wants out of a situation he throws out the more responsible choice for a outcome that HE wants. Even if Batman tells him "Bad idea. Don't do this." I could be wrong, but is it part of his character to allow his powers to get to his head sometimes and make a decision because he has the power to do it?
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Post by: Waifu on February 29, 2012, 07:23:11 PM
That may be but Ree dRichards can attest, some of the technology may not for practical use yet. Not to mention, there is the all to familiar 'Mankind is not yet ready'  adage.
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Post by: Protoman Blues on February 29, 2012, 07:45:00 PM
Correct me if I am wrong here, but is it me or is Superman -extremely- selfish? I think I agree with Lex's opinion about the fortress of solitude. Superman could advance humanity by thousands of years, even cure diseases but he keeps it to himself. His actions save lives but when ever it comes down to something he really wants out of a situation he throws out the more responsible choice for a outcome that HE wants. Even if Batman tells him "Bad idea. Don't do this." I could be wrong, but is it part of his character to allow his powers to get to his head sometimes and make a decision because he has the power to do it?

I can't remember if it's ever been addressed in the comic or not, but in the cartoon Superman gave Prof. Hamilton & Star Labs access to a lot of his tech for study.
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Post by: Pyro on March 06, 2012, 06:20:21 AM
Correct me if I am wrong here, but is it me or is Superman -extremely- selfish? I think I agree with Lex's opinion about the fortress of solitude. Superman could advance humanity by thousands of years, even cure diseases but he keeps it to himself. His actions save lives but when ever it comes down to something he really wants out of a situation he throws out the more responsible choice for a outcome that HE wants. Even if Batman tells him "Bad idea. Don't do this." I could be wrong, but is it part of his character to allow his powers to get to his head sometimes and make a decision because he has the power to do it?
That makes Lex a bit of a hypocrite, doesn't it? He has the brains and technology to advance humanity and cure disease yet he uses it to advance his grudge again Superman because the Man of Steel bruised his precious ego. Maybe, we have a justification there.

The same logic can apply to Iron Man and why he doesn't mass produce his armor. Though I must concede that Tony Stark is using his repulsor technology to build cars, airships, and body armor (i.e. that forcefield vest that deflects bullets.)

Posted on: February 29, 2012, 11:50:46 AM
Well, Young Justice returned as part of CN's "DC Nation" block. Any impressions on the show now that it is nearing the end of the first season? I found it nicely animated and eloquently casted but only average in terms of character and story. One of the fan complaints that really irks me is how Superman treats Superboy. Most of them are ranting that Supes is acting like a deadbeat, but do they really expect him to immediately accept a clone created in a lab without his knowledge or consent? That strikes me as--to be blunt--stupid.

Part of me is irked at the noticeable lack of Firestorm in favor Captain Atom (who I never to a shine to *rimshot*) but at least ol' matchstick was front and center in BatB a couple times.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on March 06, 2012, 06:13:00 PM
I have yet to fully watch the series. I probably will once it's complete and I buy the DVD's and such, so otherwise I cannot tell you anything!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on April 28, 2012, 04:45:21 AM
I just had to share this because I am so giddy right now; I was at the Calgary Comic & Entertainment Expo (which focuses more on the "entertainment" than the "comic" these days) and commissioned the legendary George Perez to draw a sketch of the Ronnie Raymond/Martin Stein. It is nothing incredibly special but a Perez's first DC work  was a Firestorm backup in the Flash and he drew the character in Justice League of America. He also affectionately called him "ol' knucklehead" when I asked.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on April 29, 2012, 02:09:15 AM
Very cool! That's awesome
Title: Some Superheores are coming out of the closet
Post by: Waifu on May 21, 2012, 09:19:16 PM
http://now.msn.com/entertainment/0520-dc-gay-character.aspx (http://now.msn.com/entertainment/0520-dc-gay-character.aspx)

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/05/20/dc-comics-to-switch-established-characters-sexual-orientation-soon/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/05/20/dc-comics-to-switch-established-characters-sexual-orientation-soon/)
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on May 22, 2012, 06:56:29 AM
I'll admit, I'm not entirely sure how I feel about this.  Part of me doesn't care, but the purist part of me does, but the purist part is being berated by the politically-correct part.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on May 22, 2012, 08:53:16 AM
Wasnt Grant Morrison saying a while ago that he found the concept of Batman "utterly gay"?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on May 22, 2012, 06:34:10 PM
Yeah. Morrison is crazy though! XD
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Blackhook on May 22, 2012, 08:42:48 PM
Wasn't Renee Montoya/The Question a lesbian? Oh yeah...reboot >_>

She still around?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on May 22, 2012, 09:34:32 PM
Wasn't Renee Montoya/The Question a lesbian? Oh yeah...reboot >_>

She still around?
Dunno but...
[spoiler]The Question is very, very EVIL now[/spoiler]
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Blackhook on May 22, 2012, 09:42:51 PM
Huh.
[spoiler] DAAAAAAAAAAAAMN YOU SHOELACEEEEEES![/spoiler]
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Reaperoid on June 01, 2012, 02:11:45 PM
http://now.msn.com/entertainment/0520-dc-gay-character.aspx (http://now.msn.com/entertainment/0520-dc-gay-character.aspx)

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/05/20/dc-comics-to-switch-established-characters-sexual-orientation-soon/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/05/20/dc-comics-to-switch-established-characters-sexual-orientation-soon/)
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/dc_comics_green_lantern_to_be_revealed_Yt2uNktuzmrrWSbkIRIDbO
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Quickman on June 02, 2012, 08:25:10 AM
I suspected that a Green Lantern was gonna be the one.  I just didn't know exactly who and I feared that it would have been Kyle or, for whatever crazy ass reason, Guy.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Solar on June 11, 2012, 08:01:19 PM
Figured I should ask this here.

During the past month or so, I've been reading cosmic Marvel stuff. So far I've read pretty much every major event since Annhilation up to the Thanos Imperative, and I already "have" Annhilators and I plan on reading Annhilators: Earthfall too (if I'm honest, it's mostly for the Rocket Raccoon and Groot side stories >.>). Where do I go from there though?


Speaking of Groot, how the hell did he go from being able to speak full, coherent sentences, to only being able to say "I am Groot" or similar? It just sorta happened and I never got why or if it's just a retcon for no reason.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on September 05, 2012, 05:35:21 AM
I just need to feel the need to vent a little on the Flash's  broke base (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BrokenBase). Newsrama just posited the "Barry and Wally" question on Facebook for their preview of The Flash (vol. 4) #11 and the response is the typical firestorm (har har) between both factions, but it seems to be the Wally fans that bother me the most. The typical response is "Barry is boring! Wally all the way!" and I am beginning to think that whatever potential Wally had as a character sputtered out by the end of Geoff Johns' first run. While I admit that bringing back Barry after he died saving the universe in Crisis on Infinite Earths was not the wisest move DC made, Wally had died (i.e. went to the Speed Force or "elsewhere") three times in Flash (vol. 2)  #100, Flash (vol. 2) #150, and Infinite Crisis #4. That little detail started to make me wonder why Wally got to escape but Barry Allen/Max Mercury/Johnny Quick could not. The "official" explanation that DC gives us is because of Wally and Linda Park's love for one another but should Barry and Iris's love be as strong? Should Johnny Quick's love for his daughter be enough? Was Mark Waid trying to tell us, albeit indirectly, that Wally was the "chosen one", which I find a big plot contrivance that cheapened Wally and any character progress he made.

There is also the abortive 2007 relaunch of Wally's title after Bart Allen's "death." I get the impression that the fans generally revile the twins for being spotlight thieves but I saw from serious flaws in that run. Notably that Bart's death was never addressed after Wally froze Inertia; they never addressed the Rogues' complicity in the murder; none of the supporting characters from the earlier run returned. Even Johns' used the supporting cast from the Baron and Messner-Loebs' runs to some effect. The whole mess left me wondering if Wally finally hit a dead end as a character in the comics. He's awesome in other media like the DCAU Justice League and Young Justice but I cannot bring myself to give a care for him in the comics.

"Team Wally" is a noisy bunch but do they even have a clue of what to do with him after the cluster [tornado fang] that was the 2007 relaunch?

Posted on: July 20, 2012, 12:02:24 PM
I am just wondering, does anyone think that DC and Marvel's attempts to garner attention and spoil story details for a momentary bump in sales is getting annoying? It is not like it will sell a million copies of any given issue. Someone better tell them the speculation market died in the mid 1990s. Just as the poor sap who bought a hundred copies of Rob Liefeld's Youngblood #1.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on September 05, 2012, 06:36:56 PM
So what do you guys think bout this new Lantern that's gonna come out. The one that looks like Kickass with a gun.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on November 17, 2012, 12:34:40 PM
So umm... you guys hear what's happening with the Guardians of the Galaxy? I know some of you like them, sooo...

[spoiler](http://i.imgur.com/pEo2G.jpg)[/spoiler]

Steve McNiven about his GotG redesigns.

Quote
"I'm trying to re-design the whole team here," the writer said of his approach to redesigning the team in a recent interview with Newsarama. "My approach to the designs was to match them to the characters and to update the look. Double-breasted jackets and outer space adventure don't really fit these days."

"I have been in touch with the movie studio guys and we are all tossing design ideas around, so hopefully we can have some unity between the movie and comic looks."

And Bendis is apparently writing them now.

That alone makes me feel bad for anybody who's a fan of this series.
I guess it's time for me to finally get on reading GotG... but not this new one, because it's [tornado fang]ing BENDIS.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on November 17, 2012, 05:41:23 PM
Heh, I don't blame you.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on November 17, 2012, 06:35:50 PM
Marvel really has been trying to push GotG as a major franchise with the upcoming film, why do I have this creeping feeling that it might backfire?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Rin on December 18, 2012, 04:41:03 AM
Hey guys, did you hear about the new amazing development in the main line of Spiderman comics?
Doc Ock switched bodies with Peter.
And Peter died (in Doc Ock's body).
Now Doc Ock will be Spiderman.
And Peter.

Amazing isn't it?

.

Wait...

[spoiler](http://i.imgur.com/zz425.png)[/spoiler]
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on December 18, 2012, 06:01:25 AM
....I need to catch up on my Spidey reading, cause that sounds awful!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on December 18, 2012, 07:51:46 AM
Thank heaven Scarlet Spider has been solid, even with the absence of Ben Reilly.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Fxeni on December 19, 2012, 02:04:23 AM
... What the hell have they done with what once was my favourite Marvel character? It just never ends.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on December 19, 2012, 02:25:34 AM
It really sounds "Clone Saga" bad with the convoluted body-switching and whatnot.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Gaia on December 20, 2012, 01:16:44 AM
About as bad as selling his soul to the devil?  8D    ..Nah, but there's that issue on the DC side with Starfire, you know, the one who seems more useful animated than she does in paperback these days..? I sometimes wonder how many characters did DC have again, as that's twice as many as the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise, and more crazy.

Same can be asked about the Marvel side, but with Rocket Raccoon being in the spotlight again (contributions POSSIBLY due to MvC3 and the next Avengers movie being in space), but I'm probably gonna guess and be wrong that Marvel's colorful cast seems to have a more controlled population than DC.

Aaaaand who remembers Wonder Woman's OTHER sidekicks, Wonder Tot and Wonder Chick? Man.. the silver age was bonkers.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on December 27, 2012, 05:42:13 AM
So I finally read ASM #700. I gotta say, I'm at a loss for words. It might even be [tornado fang]ing stupider than One More Day. Despite how much I hated hated HATED OMD, at least it has SOMEWHAT of a [tornado fang]ing purpose, no matter how stupid it was. This....I don't know why this is happening. It makes no [tornado fang]ing sense to do this. Doc Ock's reasoning for wanting to be a "Superior Spider-Man" is just....I don't know. I-I just don't [tornado fang]ing know.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on December 27, 2012, 06:46:26 AM
How do you think it compares to the equally reviled Clone Saga? Granted, Ben Reilly was a better Spider-Man than Doc Ock will ever be because, well, he was a clone of Peter.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on December 27, 2012, 07:17:47 AM
It does remind me of it, and anything that reminds me of the Clone Saga is a bad thing. Spider-Island sucked ass too.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Fxeni on December 27, 2012, 09:11:01 AM
It's amazing... they found a way to top OMD. That takes some skilled dumbassery. I wasn't sure that it could be done, but they managed it. Impressive, for all the very wrong reasons.

Speaking of which, is this their way around OMD? Really? Oi.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on January 04, 2013, 09:23:57 PM
Ooh hoo, hoo! Look what I have found (http://monotremethoughts.blogspot.ca/2013/01/platypus-reviews-names-same.html). A Street Fighter comic book before Street Fighter.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Solar on January 08, 2013, 01:56:45 AM
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/bb5e0da4cea817d67e5d6e0b29bd2b76/tumblr_mga5qvLeuk1r0fbtco1_1280.jpg)

I like how they're not even trying to hide that it won't last.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Fxeni on January 08, 2013, 03:48:22 AM
Not too surprised.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on February 22, 2013, 10:16:05 PM
Speculation: Could Marvel be planning its own answer to "Crisis on Infinite Earths?" (http://blog.newsarama.com/2013/02/22/speculation-worlds-collide-at-marvel/)
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Waifu on February 23, 2013, 08:52:30 AM
Hold on, I thought that the Skrull war was the answer to Crisis?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on November 09, 2013, 08:32:02 AM
So how do you all feel about this happening?

(http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac71/Flame-G102/1383963444523_zps3b1ef722.jpg~original)

Supergirl's gonna become a Red Lantern. Apparently she's gonna be removed from the Super family "permanently".

Now, to me, it works, I mean she's been angry ever since she landed on Earth. What DOESN'T work for me, is removing her "permanently" (Read: a couple of years at most, this [parasitic bomb] can't last) and deciding to take an angry character and make her an angrier, plasma vomiting character.

feels like a waste if this is where they are gonna toss her.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on November 09, 2013, 08:35:02 AM
We'll see how long it lasts. Still though, it's an interesting idea.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Fxeni on November 16, 2013, 07:37:46 AM
With the way things have been lately, why not?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Fxeni on January 16, 2014, 11:52:41 AM
YESSSSSSSSSS (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=50309)
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on January 16, 2014, 08:22:53 PM
YESSSSSSSSSS (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=50309)

YEEEEP. Buying instantly!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Mirby on January 16, 2014, 10:39:14 PM
nananananananananananananananana awesome~
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Fxeni on May 21, 2014, 12:08:05 AM
*Dusts of the thread*

Well, I'm about to say something I never thought I would, but here goes.

I'm reading the Superior Spider Man run, and I'm... actually enjoying it.

Maybe it's because I went in with low expectations.
Maybe it's because I know how it'll end.
Maybe it's because it's interesting to see a villain trying to be a hero, using decidedly villainous tactics.

Whatever it is, it's got my interest.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on May 21, 2014, 06:16:59 AM
I heard good things about it as well.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Reaperoid on May 21, 2014, 07:50:25 AM
I only just finished it. I'm waiting for the Black Cat issue of new ASM (#3), now, to see how hilarious the fallout is.

Also, Superior Foes of Spider-Man is an absolute riot.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on May 23, 2014, 06:56:38 AM
I heard good things about it as well.

I heard the best Superior Spidey stories came from writers other than Dan Slott. :P
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on May 23, 2014, 08:42:46 AM
Well that does not surprise me in the least.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Fxeni on May 23, 2014, 12:00:08 PM
Likewise. It's pretty easy to tell when it's all him, and not in a good way. The run is still a lot more solid than I expected (so far).
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Phi on August 02, 2014, 05:02:03 AM
Reading Fables, vol. 1

It's a pretty interesting read.

Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on August 20, 2014, 05:21:24 AM
(http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac71/Flame-G102/1408496312993_zps127af235.jpg~original)

so a guy on /co/ storytimed scans of Multiversity #1

that [parasitic bomb]'s so [tornado fang]ing bananas.

most hilarious is the crossover into the Not-Marvel universe, Major Comics.

[spoiler]
(http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac71/Flame-G102/1408499428671_zpsdc93bc71.jpg~original)
(http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac71/Flame-G102/1408500140615_zps39c83031.jpg~original)

(http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac71/Flame-G102/1408499911626_zpsf696e82b.jpg~original)
(http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac71/Flame-G102/1408499969614_zpsb3d9b59e.jpg~original)

(http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac71/Flame-G102/1408499530784_zpsdacdcc04.jpg~original)

(http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac71/Flame-G102/1408499799053_zps0c1a6492.jpg~original)

also, Not-Captain America from Not-Thor's own world-

(http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac71/Flame-G102/1408496880007_zpseb1f3080.jpg~original)
[/spoiler]
this whole comic is genius on so many levels, I just love it.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Reaperoid on August 20, 2014, 09:49:48 AM
But they didn't take the first shot. New Avengers just got over an arc with them fighting a JL ripoff.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Waifu on September 25, 2014, 09:41:11 PM
I read the Avengers v. Thanos anthology but are there any other Thanos, Silver Surfer, Galactus, Avengers and Xmen stories that I could read?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on September 26, 2014, 09:16:52 AM
If you haven't read Annihilation, I recommend that
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Reaperoid on October 03, 2014, 06:54:15 AM
While Annihilation is being mentioned, the Nova that span out of it was pretty good.

Also, suggesting X-Men and Avengers books is too hard, unless you really like reading.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Phi on October 17, 2014, 08:31:58 PM
Superior Iron Man

(http://i.imgur.com/KTE3yXX.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/hH3yB9f.jpg)

I personally don't like the color choice.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 17, 2014, 08:37:59 PM
Nor do I.

(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/4049036-edge_of_spider-verse_2_land_variant.jpg)

I am happy that she's getting her own series though.

(http://www.angryasianman.com/images/angry/silk01.jpg)

Silk as well!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Blue Valkyrie on October 17, 2014, 09:07:32 PM
It's better than that Black and Gold armor at least..blech.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 17, 2014, 10:49:35 PM
Very true!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Waifu on October 19, 2014, 06:09:44 PM
 I had done some research on the Infinity Gauntlet storyline and Thanos seemed a little to overpowered until he got outsmarted by Nemesis(?) but still the Infinity Gauntlet is a real game breaker. Is it little overpowered that the villain was able to stomp on every cosmic entity int he storyline?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Fxeni on October 19, 2014, 07:48:17 PM
Yeah it's overpowered, but that was kind of the point.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on October 19, 2014, 08:06:37 PM
Oh it was definitely the point!
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Phi on November 01, 2014, 12:08:30 AM
Jeph Loeb's illustrations gave me cancer.

I skimmed through Batman: The Long Halloween, as my brother bought it yesterday. Goddamn, he cannot draw for the life of him.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Fxeni on November 01, 2014, 12:24:26 AM
That would indeed make sense, considering he's the writer 8D
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Phi on November 01, 2014, 12:40:50 AM
Oh, well then, whoever illustrated that SUCKSSS! XD
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Waifu on December 09, 2014, 11:00:06 PM
I am trying to get into the Apocalypse saga of the XMen but I have no idea where to start.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Reaperoid on December 10, 2014, 05:33:32 AM
There is a four volume omnibus of the event, so go look on Amazon.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Sakura Leic on February 27, 2015, 02:14:42 AM
Just dropping this here and the other 2 threads this concerns because Quickie said I should.

http://i.imgur.com/t85MKw7.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/t85MKw7.jpg)
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Phi on February 27, 2015, 03:29:52 AM
AMATERASU

SOLD
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Sakura Leic on February 27, 2015, 03:33:03 AM
Honestly the only thing missing is Ulala, because anything can use a big dose of funkiness, especially something this huge. I mean yeah we got Joe for glorious ham, but seriously some funk would be useful.

I'm surprised that the Panzer Dragoon series, of all things, is there from the look of it.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Reaperoid on June 07, 2015, 09:54:34 AM
Gettin my Starlin swag on, as I picked up Thanos: The Infinity Relativity this week. I'm glad to see more Adam Warlock, no one else can write him or Thanos any better, especially not even Hickman's Thanos.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on June 12, 2015, 07:45:08 AM
so what are the thoughts on this current Jim Gordon Robatcop and Depowered identity outed Superman?

(http://data.techtimes.com/data/images/full/70637/batman-superman-41-jpg.jpg)

also, green gambit Hal Jordan

(http://insidepulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/GREEN-LANTERN-41-review-spoilers-3.jpg)


this all tickles my 90's bone in all the right ways
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Reaperoid on June 12, 2015, 10:21:05 AM
I haven't gotten the Batman issue yet...

GL was more more MORE than welcome, especially after all that Convergence crap I didn't bother with.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Reaperoid on July 01, 2015, 09:24:33 AM
Some of the #1 covers for All-New All-ExpensiveDifferent Marvel leaked.

http://imgur.com/a/FOJ0Y (http://imgur.com/a/FOJ0Y) - click at your own discretion, I guess. Depends if you care on who survives Secret Wars.

But, Miles book aaaaaaaaaaaaah
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on June 17, 2016, 07:16:15 AM
So... any thoughts on DC Rebirth thus far? Things look very promising so far, but financial constraints will keep me from picking up many books. Though I think Green Lanterns looks promising so far, I hesitate to pick it up and I do not think I will pick up Hal Jordan and The Green Lantern Corps after the Rebirth issue. The Superman titles look interesting now the the pre-Flashpoint Supes is back in the cape.

I can hardly wait until Super-Sons to see what trouble Damian and John will get into. Still waiting for announcements on Atom and Legion of Super-Heroes.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Reaperoid on June 17, 2016, 08:08:58 AM
Has Moore said anything about that DCU Rebirth #1 yet?
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Protoman Blues on June 17, 2016, 08:44:12 AM
So... any thoughts on DC Rebirth thus far? Things look very promising so far, but financial constraints will keep me from picking up many books. Though I think Green Lanterns looks promising so far, I hesitate to pick it up and I do not think I will pick up Hal Jordan and The Green Lantern Corps after the Rebirth issue. The Superman titles look interesting now the the pre-Flashpoint Supes is back in the cape.

I can hardly wait until Super-Sons to see what trouble Damian and John will get into. Still waiting for announcements on Atom and Legion of Super-Heroes.

I still have to illegally download the comics onto my tablet get the issues, cause I'm definitely interested.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Pyro on June 18, 2016, 09:38:57 PM
Has Moore said anything about that DCU Rebirth #1 yet?

Not to my knowledge, and I think he does not even care anymore since it has been thirty years and DC has made it clear that they will keep Watchmen in publication.

I still have to illegally download the comics onto my tablet get the issues, cause I'm definitely interested.

Download? :O

Since everyone and their grandmother knows because of the leak that happened before its release, what are your thoughts on the pre-Flashpoint Wally West returning? I personally love it (though I am not that crazy about Dr. Manhattan being the implied antagonist), but that has not stopped some people from slagging DC Rebirth. I guess you cannot please some people no matter what they do.

Personally, I think Johns was a bit heavy-handed with the "hope vs. cynicism" theme. While I suppose that one could argue that Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns inaugurated the Dark Age of Comics, I believe that it is an oversimplification. Watchmen (and DKR, albeit to a lesser degree) was an incredibly dense and layered read that truly read like a novel and I believe that the antiheroes that followed Rorschach's example were one-dimensional copies. No, I believe that it was Crisis on Infinite Earths, or rather, the immediate aftermath where DC essentially repudiated its own rich history for a short-term sales bump. Something I call the "Deconstuction Age" (1986-94) because the dismantling of the pre-Crisis multiverse and editorial inconsistency led to DC creating a Frankenstein-like monster by trying to force certain pieces to fit together.

The most egregious examples are the Legion of Super-Heroes, where then-writer, Paul Levitz had to create a stopgap measures to explain how "Superboy" could still be a member of the Legion after the John Byrne reboot establish that Supes didn't establish his career until after he became an adult. Hell, there were still references to the Kara Zor-El Supergirl who was never supposed even exist post-Crisis. Eventually editorial mandate forced a soft reboot, but Legion continuity was pretty much FUBARed until Zero Hour. The Silver Age Hawkman is another sterling example, where despite him playing a role in 1988's Invasion, DC wanted Hawkworld (released the following year, and a damn fine read) to take place in the then-contemporary DCU as opposed to the intended origin story. That necessitated a cascade of retcons that made the character untouchable for years.

Things got better after Zero Hour. DC ran with the "legacy" theme with the return of the JSA to prominence after the success of James Robinson's Starman. The Justice League returned to "all-star" status with Grant Morrison's JLA. Something I call the "Reconstruction Era" that ended more or less with Identity Crisis. Granted, more of DC's Silver Age elements crept into the mythos, culminating in Barry Allen's return in Final Crisis.

And then they blow it up after Flashpoint with the New 52, which left a bad taste in my mouth. Rebirth seems to be fixing that by introducing elements from the pre-Flashpoint universe, but I'm wary. DC has a problem with rebooting and retconning, though Marvel seems to be worse at times since they heavily rely on recycling plots and shock tactics to drive sales.
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Sakura Leic on July 09, 2016, 02:05:10 AM
http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2016/07/08/mattel-and-dc-present-he-manthundercats (http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2016/07/08/mattel-and-dc-present-he-manthundercats)

http://www.epictimes.com/07/05/2016/flintstones-edgy-comic-book-reboot-from-dc-arrives/ (http://www.epictimes.com/07/05/2016/flintstones-edgy-comic-book-reboot-from-dc-arrives/)
Title: Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)
Post by: Flame on October 21, 2016, 06:50:49 PM
So anyone been keeping up with Rebirth?


Because Rebirth Superman is some of the best Superman ive seen in a long time. I could practically hear the classic Superman theme when this happened.

(http://insidepulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Superman-6-spoilers-7.jpg)

Also i really do like Jon and how they are actually exploring Superman with a son.

Not to mention the eventual teamup between Jon and Damian. Oh boy I can't wait for this

(http://insidepulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Super-Sons-1.jpg)

Could this be it? Could DC finally be back?

theyve even gone back to a classic round logo reminiscent of the early 70's one, ditching that awful New 52 logo