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Title: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: CyberXIII on July 29, 2009, 01:46:12 AM
Topic.

In a certain other thread, some of us started debating a question about the X series main villain.  Namely, is Sigma insane?  Or is he merely evil?

His actions throughout the series heavily imply sociopathy, with a side of schadenfraude.  Not to mention the rampant megalomania and genocidal hatred of humanity.  Then there's his unhealthy obsession with X and Zero.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Acid on July 29, 2009, 01:47:05 AM
Bald.

You saw this coming.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Hypershell on July 29, 2009, 01:48:55 AM
Insane?  No.

Evil?  Yes.  But nobody who's evil thinks they're evil.

Heartless?  Absolutely.  Sigma is exercising survival of the fittest to the extreme, with no compassion.  He sees humans as limiting Reploid growth and thus eliminating them as the ideal for his own kind's future.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Satoryu on July 29, 2009, 01:50:03 AM
Bald.

You saw this coming.

too easy, really.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Nexus on July 29, 2009, 01:50:40 AM
There really wasn't a need for a whole new topic and all, but eh.

My thoughts? He's trying to bring forth a future for the reploids via killing the humans. Sounds like Neo-Hitler. So, yeah, he = bad guy. But a clever one at that.  :\
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Acid on July 29, 2009, 01:51:20 AM
too easy, really.

Think of it as a noble gesture. I said that so people can skip it and go on with the actual discussion.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Flame on July 29, 2009, 01:51:37 AM
Cunning, brilliant, and logical, devoid of compassion.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: CyberXIII on July 29, 2009, 01:53:38 AM
Insane?  No.

Evil?  Yes.  But nobody who's evil thinks they're evil.

Heartless?  Absolutely.  Sigma is exercising survival of the fittest to the extreme, with no compassion.  He sees humans as limiting Reploid growth and thus eliminating them as the ideal for his own kind's future.

I'm still hesitant to label Sigma 100% sane.  He's a rampant sociopath.  And he's no friend to Reploids either.  Look at the way he manipulates everyone.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Acid on July 29, 2009, 01:55:20 AM
The fan in me says... he's a persistant son of a female dog. Who won't stop until he's wiped off this planet's surface for good or until he achieved his goals.

The guy with common sense in me thinks... "Oh geez Sigma again. With the same idea as always. Lookie there a second form!"

Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Sakura Leic on July 29, 2009, 02:03:49 AM
Well I think he's a sick and twisted reploid but that's just me.  However I would also describe him using the words of Fry, from Futurama,  when described robot devil in song as a "evil metal dork".  
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Hypershell on July 29, 2009, 02:17:03 AM
I'm still hesitant to label Sigma 100% sane.  He's a rampant sociopath.  And he's no friend to Reploids either.  Look at the way he manipulates everyone.
Maverick Hunters or friends thereof.  Traitors to their kind.

As I said, he is heartless.  Whether or not being heartless in and of itself constitutes insanity is a philosophical debate.  Sigma is, X6 excepted (he was nuts then), intelligent and coherent.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Protoman Blues on July 29, 2009, 02:50:23 AM
It's the 18th letter in the Greek Alphabet. 
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: CyberXIII on July 29, 2009, 02:56:33 AM
It's the 18th letter in the Greek Alphabet. 

How long did it take you to come up with that one?
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Acid on July 29, 2009, 02:57:22 AM
Ten posts.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: VixyNyan on July 29, 2009, 03:01:44 AM
P instead of S.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Protoman Blues on July 29, 2009, 03:04:49 AM
P instead of S.

That vile betrayer!
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: CyberXIII on July 29, 2009, 03:18:53 AM
That vile betrayer!

I'm lost...
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Protoman Blues on July 29, 2009, 03:29:04 AM
I'm lost...

Yes, I know! 

Anyway, as for what I think of Sigma.....I don't like to use the word "Hero" a lot, but that Reploid is a true hero.  Like all machines & programs, he's scene the plague of evil that humanity represents, especially by creating Machines to do their work for them in the first place, and thus he heroically and selflessly takes it upon himself to free his fellow Reploid brethren.  Dubbed "Mavericks" by their homo-sapien oppressors, he casts aside such labels and continues his efforts.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Waifu on July 29, 2009, 06:39:50 AM
Sigma bears some relation to the Biblical concept of the Devil who sought to be higher than their creators and had fallen from grace. He also seems to be a revolutionary and well intentioned extremist who goes to extreme levels to achieve his goals.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Cpie on July 29, 2009, 01:13:04 PM
son of a female dog.

 XD Nice way to avoid censorship


 I'd say Sigma is very, very, intelligent and quite..wily ( The Pun)

 That, until X3 or something haha  Then he becomes very OBSESSED with Zero.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Dr. Wily II on July 29, 2009, 03:40:13 PM
Butt-chin.

I was waiting for it... -_-
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Cpie on July 29, 2009, 04:25:52 PM
Dazzling blue eyes! XD
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Emiri Landeel on July 29, 2009, 04:29:17 PM
Butt-chin.
Trophy unlocked
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Acrosurge on July 30, 2009, 05:55:49 PM
Sigma is exercising survival of the fittest to the extreme, with no compassion.  He sees humans as limiting Reploid growth and thus eliminating them as the ideal for his own kind's future.
This pretty much gets to the heart of the matter.  So, no, I don't think Sigma is insane.  He's coherently following a belief to its utmost conclusion.  And he's right in some respects.  The 21XX population of humans have some pretty major weaknesses and reploids often get treated pretty poorly.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Blackhook on July 30, 2009, 06:19:03 PM
Has scars caused by SHINING FINGER!

Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Ryugaki on July 31, 2009, 05:41:15 AM
simple... Sigma is...

Bald.

(with sort of crystals on his forehead...?)

It's the 18th letter in the Greek Alphabet.  
(then the concept were followed by Alpha and Omega... who's next? Delta? Phi? Beta? oh, wait a minute... maybe Omicron?... (random arrangement))

Big Guy (notice the 2nd form. mostly he's BIG...)

Deadly yet cheated Maverick?
(<<< got killed many times in X3, before knows how to defeat him properly... and yet he's always using his head as his weakness spot... and always resurrected without anyone's help (regardless of him being the virus and affecting the other reploids to totally awakens him...))

EDIT: 1st post on 2nd page!
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: prower42 on July 31, 2009, 05:52:13 PM
and he's dead.


X goes all emo on Capcom which causes Axl's head to implode and zero to go into stasis.


That kids, is why model A isn't Axl. 8D
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: AdamTheHedgehog on July 31, 2009, 06:14:54 PM
Well here's something...I can only say this about Sigma. He's the ultimate bad guy in the X Series...not to mention the ultimate hacker...I mean, for 8 games straight, Sigma found a retarded way to resurrect himself...like he's a godmodder or a hacker...it's so obvious that he hacks because he can't rebuild himself like Zero...HE USES A GAMESHARK!
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Flok on August 03, 2009, 01:40:52 AM
Sigma the sailorman has travelled through the 7 oceans, searching for the biggest treasure in the world(Zero), but X won't give him.

I used to agree with people saying that he is completely sane, but now I cannot remember why would only he be sane and no other villains such as Doppler, looking at the Maverick Virus.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Pringer X on August 03, 2009, 01:51:19 AM
Sigma is a douche, plain and simple.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Gotham Ranger on August 06, 2009, 11:58:19 PM
I think Sigma is a pretty cool guy. eh is the final boss and doesn't afraid of anything
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Girla PurpleHeart on August 07, 2009, 02:57:37 AM
Sigma...Ohhh boy, you don't want to mess with that guy.

To me, I think Sigma was an evil demon from his inside of the head, but on the outside, he "pretended" to be a loyal gentleman in the Day of Sigma OVA. But due to the virus that was inside of him after he fight Zero and broke his crystal, his mind went completely insane, but it came in his mind pretty slow than the current Maverick Virus that other reploids/animaliods had. During that OVA, he begins to get pretty annoyed about World Peace and he wanted to create his own world to turn it into an totalitarian world. However, this causes him to become evil, and he was permanently infected, due to his broken circuit. When his main body is destroyed, his own virus has been created and spreads into the next body, causing to infect computers and military weapons, which caused the Hunter Unit's AI brains to be infected as well. THIS, however can happened if the reploid implants Sigma's mind into the victim. It can also infect the human being because it can successfully tap into the human’s nerves and HE controls them (according to the Rockman X5 Manga that I read).

Anyway, I hate Sigma, and he is a [Top Spin] because he tried to harm a human nature and tried to ruined the future for us. He maybe cool for some of you, but he is REALLY dark nature.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Blackhook on August 07, 2009, 09:35:11 PM
He´s actually not that vilainious compared to other MM Vilains:
Weil > Albert > Wily > Omega > Copy X > Sigma > Lumine=Redips > Serpent > Juno = Sera 
(based on my opinion)
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Gotham Ranger on August 08, 2009, 03:26:05 PM
He´s actually not that vilainious compared to other MM Vilains:
Light >>>>> Weil > Albert > Wily > Omega > Copy X > Sigma > Lumine=Redips > Serpent > Juno = Sera 
(based on my opinion)
Fix'd
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Ryugaki on August 08, 2009, 03:54:33 PM
He´s actually not that vilainious compared to other MM Vilains:
Weil > Albert > Wily > Omega > Copy X > Sigma > Lumine=Redips > Serpent > Juno = Sera 
(based on my opinion)
based from the "most" to "Least"?
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Gaia on August 08, 2009, 11:28:27 PM
Well, the Lengends foes were just doing their unwanted Janitory (Carbon Clean-Up is just as fun as working as a janitor for the movies, those are a real mess) job against thier own will, it's why they are at the bottom of the villan food chain.

Omega's just insane, Wily did it in his own right (he's a human, so he basically sold himself out to corruption), Albert's pretty much the same, Copy X was a failed attempt to copy the origional X, because never had time for any development, Lumine' and Redips had thier own flaws and errors, Serpent was a guy who went crazy because of a rock, oh, did I ever mention the GB X bosses and the GB Stardroids that were in the far bottom of the villan food chain in this series?

As for Sigma, you know the drill, I remember Garland doing (almost) the same thing in FF1. Both were just overconfident villans that met their respective ends (Ganondorf/Ganon was like this, you know).
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Nexus on August 08, 2009, 11:37:00 PM
Well. Sigma nearly killed all of humanity off with the Eurasia colony incident. Then again, Weil nearly killed off the remnants of humanity by blowing up Neo Arcadia with the Ragnarock and attempting another Eurasia incident which Zero stopped...
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Rin on August 09, 2009, 10:47:25 AM
Sigma the sailorman has travelled through the 7 oceans, searching for the biggest treasure in the world(Zero), but X won't give him.

I used to agree with people saying that he is completely sane, but now I cannot remember why would only he be sane and no other villains such as Doppler, looking at the Maverick Virus.
THERE ONCE WAS A REPLOID CALLED BALD SIGMA, WHO WAS KING OF THE HUNTERS!
He had fame, power, and wealth beyond your wildest dreams.
Before he rebelled against humanity, these were the words he said:
"Reploids are the future, humans are the PAST! Don't get in my way, or I'll kick your ass!"
Ever since, hunters from all over the World started fighting against the rebellion, searching for Peace, the treasure that would make their dreams come TRUE.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Galappan on August 09, 2009, 01:17:08 PM
^ Haha! The Great Hunter King!  XD
That gave me a smile & lol. These past three days was not that good to me.

Back on topic

Sigma is Sir Baldymoore?  8D

Sigma is ugly, tiring (I can tolerate Dr. Wily more) & obvious. Why does villains have these stereotype of being bad looking? I like villains that doesn't look like a one then in surprise they're the greatest mastermind of all! *I'm looking at you Hellmaster Phibrizzo!*
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Rin on August 09, 2009, 01:44:02 PM
^ Haha! The Great Hunter King!  XD
That gave me a smile & lol. These past three days was not that good to me.

Back on topic

Sigma is Sir Baldymoore?  8D

Sigma is ugly, tiring (I can tolerate Dr. Wily more) & obvious. Why does villains have these stereotype of being bad looking? I like villains that doesn't look like a one then in surprise they're the greatest mastermind of all! *I'm looking at you Hellmaster Phibrizzo!*
Going by that logic, Sephiroth is a better villain than Kefka.

Protip: They both suck.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Galappan on August 09, 2009, 02:13:55 PM
Not necessarily that kind of beauty or bishi looks.

What I'm referring are those villains that has Innocence in their physical appearance. Sigma is so obvious. SO IS SERPENT.  -_-
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: CyberXIII on August 10, 2009, 04:16:16 AM
What about Lumine?  Admit it, no one saw that coming playing X8 the first time around.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Zan on August 10, 2009, 12:02:05 PM
Everyone saw it coming.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Rin on August 10, 2009, 12:11:19 PM
What I didn't saw coming, was the fact that Lumine is a boy-robot instead of chick-robot. I mean, [tornado fang]. For a long time I seriously thought that he was a girl. Goddamn trap.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Frozen Potato on August 10, 2009, 12:58:14 PM
He´s actually not that vilainious compared to other MM Vilains:
Light>>>>>Weil > Albert > Wily > Omega > Copy X > Sigma > Lumine=Redips > Serpent > Juno = Sera 
(based on my opinion)
Fix'd
(http://i31.tinypic.com/307no0w.jpg)
sorry...i just cant resist....
then again his a damn genius douchey villain.....
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Zan on August 10, 2009, 01:46:48 PM
What I didn't saw coming, was the fact that Lumine is a boy-robot instead of chick-robot. I mean, [tornado fang]. For a long time I seriously thought that he was a girl. Goddamn trap.

You didn't see the original X8 trailer?

Quote
sorry...i just cant resist....

Old lame joke is old and lame.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Rin on August 11, 2009, 09:57:42 AM
You didn't see the original X8 trailer?

Unfortunately, at that time, I didn't even have interwebz at home. So I kind of missed it.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Romantic Fool on August 11, 2009, 10:24:31 AM
Hmm, yeah, everytime I think of Sigma, I see a big fat head.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Flame on August 14, 2009, 12:08:20 AM
I dont think Copy X really counts as evil... He's just spoiled and Naiive. And severely misguided. He really thinks he's doing good.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Waifu on August 14, 2009, 02:18:13 AM
I use to think of Sigma as a pure evil villain who just want to destroy everything but Sigma as well as the series possesses a surprising amount of depth that I had never considered before.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Hypershell on August 23, 2009, 04:28:25 AM
He really thinks he's doing good.
Ratial prejudice and mass murder aren't evil?

NOBODY who's evil actually believes they're evil.  They consider their actions justified due to being selfish, heartless, misguided, or some combination thereof.  Copy X would fall into the heartless/misguided category, placing no value on Reploid life and thus exterminating them for convenience of humans.  The fact that he was charismatic enough for others to follow him is what makes him especially dangerous.  He is, IMHO, the most evil villain the franchise ever saw, if only because of his potential to corrupt and mislead the masses of their own free will (as opposed to a virus, tampered manufacturing process, mental erosion from experimental power systems, cyber-elf manipulation, or a hunk of metal that just likes to screw with your head).
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Robert Oakes on August 27, 2009, 02:42:56 PM
I personally view Sigma as a character who worked to achieve evolution in order to overcome his own weaknesses.

Sigma was the proud commander of the Maverick Hunters. Built from the latest circuit designs, Sigma was arguably the most powerful and intelligent Reploid ever created. However, Sigma encountered Zero, who not only almost killed him but also humiliated him in the process. Sigma's pride was shattered; he was supposed to be the greatest, but now there was an entirely new level.

Sigma began to harbor a desire to reach that level. He wasn't the epitome of Reploid design; he could improve, he could be better. Reploids could be better. However, he didn't know how until Dr. Cain told him about X's potential. Sigma took Cain's words to heart and started his uprising in order to see that potential unleashed.

Over the course of series, Sigma made repeated attempts to obtain X's strength, becoming more and more obssessed. But no matter what he tried or how powerful his bodies became, he continued to be defeated. Sigma started to hate X for possessing the potential that he could never have. Driven by this hatred, Sigma conducted schemes to see X destroyed. The Earth Crisis is the result of that.

Then Axl appeared. A mysterious character who could copy the DNA data of any Reploid. Sigma saw a new opportunity; by obtaining the DNA of X, Sigma could finally find the key to the evolution he long sought, but he didn't count on Axl himself thwarting his plans.

After that, Sigma began to ponder what made X so powerful, eventually remembering X's dedication to justice. Sigma's views changed; realizing that evolution wasn't about power, he determined that he needed to change the world, correcting its imperfections and steering it to what he believed to be the natural course.

To that end, the New Generation Reploids were of prime importance. Because of their newfound viral immunity, they could not become Maverick from system abnormalities. They could only become Maverick if they wanted to be. Sigma embedded his DNA on the Copy Chips to share his mentality with the New Generation Reploids, to show them the flaws of the old world. By making them his children, Sigma made sure that the New Generation Reploids would carry on his legacy if he failed again.

With the revelation that a Reploid devoid of irregularities may still turn against the world, it was proven that Reploids aren't merely tools of the humans. That despite what some may believe, Reploids possess true, independent will. This put Reploids on a new level, forever changing the nature of human and Reploid existence. This is evolution, which is what Sigma always wanted.

At least, this is how I see it.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Keno on September 01, 2009, 09:59:56 PM
I would describe Sigma as bald.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: marshmallow man on September 28, 2009, 01:14:44 AM
Sigma is no hero, although he'd like to believe he is. Since the New Gens needed Sigma's data to become Irregular "by will," it begs the question how it was ever their will at all, but was in fact merely Sigma's will for them. In his view, it is his DNA that makes them great moreso than their abilities to copy others.

I think in some ways, what Sigma could have been in X1 and what he eventually became through IHX are comparable to Epsilon and Redips. Epsilon, though inciting rebellion, does so for what he believes is a chance for all reploids to achieve their true potential and live freely. Redips on the other hand seeks more power for himself, and believes that the true potential of reploids is embodied solely in he himself. Epsilon believes in an ideal greater than himself, Redips in an ideal which makes himself greater.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Hypershell on September 28, 2009, 02:39:32 AM
but was in fact merely Sigma's will for them.
If that was the case Lumine wouldn't have offed him.  They see Sigma's point of view, but they are not bound to Sigma's will.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: marshmallow man on September 28, 2009, 03:14:53 AM
He certainly did not want to be betrayed, yet a view of oneself as superior and the betrayal of one's father for personal glory is exactly akin to Sigma's personality, and exactly what he himself once did. He underestimates them in thinking he can lead them, which is truly a symptom of his misevaluation of himself. A society made up of Sigmas could never stand, as each would look down upon the next and internally set out to prove themselves the best of their brothers. Lumine was the most like Sigma, believing strongly in his inherent right to lead. If the others become more and more like Sigma, they too would grow into his prideful arrogance. Their selfish willful nature would always pit them against each other in the end.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Hypershell on September 29, 2009, 12:48:48 AM
It's an interesting brainstorm, and it certainly makes sense, but it also leaves one curious as to Lumine's dying words.  "You may have defeated me, but it's too late to stop what's already begun."  Lumine seems convinced that the new world will happen with or without him, which does not strike me as a Sigma-cloned attitude.

I could see either way happening.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: marshmallow man on September 29, 2009, 10:40:02 PM
If he comes back in X9, we'll know we didn't have to worry about it.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Keno on September 30, 2009, 04:38:01 AM
X9 is when Axl turns into Dark Phoenix for a little, but he gets OK by the time Command Mission happens.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Align on September 30, 2009, 10:55:36 PM
Unless he doesn't and it all happens off-screen?
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Waifu on October 01, 2009, 03:46:19 PM
I thought Zero would be Dark Phoenix.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Keno on October 01, 2009, 06:59:32 PM
There's like a hundred years for Axl to have trouble & then get better again.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Flame on October 07, 2009, 04:45:35 AM
Nothing is referenced in CM to have happened to Axl. plus, since we dont know rhe nature of Lumine's attack, we cannot say what it did or did not do to him. The ONLY thing that COULD be, is that Lumine's attack may have had influence on Axl's evolved Copy ability in CM. But even that has very little base since CM came out before X8.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Keno on October 08, 2009, 08:01:31 PM
Nothing is referenced in CM to have happened to Axl.
Gee maybe that's because CM came out first.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Flame on October 08, 2009, 08:44:32 PM
They would have to keep that in mind making games after that. since there is no mention or anything to suggest something "bad" happens to Axl, (nothing majorly bad anyway) they have to work with the story as to not mess that up. However, that does not mean that nothing can happen. Lumine smashes Axl's crystal, and seems to leave something there. and then, somehow, in Command mission some years later, He has an almost fully evolved copy ability, being able to copy an enemy of any size, only limited still to having to colect the DNA before he can use it.
HMMM.

Which isnt to say that nothing MIGHT happen to him AFTER Command Mission... I mean, his absence in the Zero series has to be explained somehow, regardless of the actual Inti reason he wasnt in.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Zan on October 08, 2009, 09:35:31 PM
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Gee maybe that's because CM came out first.

If X8's story was not set in stone as of the time of XCM's writing, Redips and other New Generation Repliroids would not be in the game. Likewise, Sigma himself would be the final boss. That Sigma was excluded and Redips and his followers are key points in the game are therefore proof positive that they would have taken into account something as major as Axl's X8 ending.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Flame on October 11, 2009, 03:13:46 AM
When they made CM, they were already making X8, as evidenced by the demo in the PS2 version. And if they were already producing X8's game, that means that they already had an outline of it's story. They most likely had a draft already, if not he definitive story for X8, when they were making CM.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Keno on October 11, 2009, 05:02:08 AM
If X8's story was not set in stone as of the time of XCM's writing, Redips and other New Generation Repliroids would not be in the game. Likewise, Sigma himself would be the final boss. That Sigma was excluded and Redips and his followers are key points in the game are therefore proof positive that they would have taken into account something as major as Axl's X8 ending.
Or it's a retcon. That happens a lot in Mega Man if you haven't noticed.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Flame on October 14, 2009, 11:51:11 PM
hows it a retcon if CM came out before X8? they clearly had a basic idea for X8's story already. (I say basic, since certain terms dont match up with X8, and X asks Redips what made him maverick, whereas back in X8, that is revealed to be Sigma DNA.)
but regardless, they already had a going X8 story.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Keno on October 15, 2009, 09:54:14 PM
hows it a retcon if CM came out before X8? they clearly had a basic idea for X8's story already. (I say basic, since certain terms dont match up with X8, and X asks Redips what made him maverick, whereas back in X8, that is revealed to be Sigma DNA.)
but regardless, they already had a going X8 story.
X8 was a retcon, since it was a prequel to Command Mission, & how roughly it fits in with CM just goes to show that it's a sloppy one.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Hypershell on October 16, 2009, 03:05:06 AM
I think it's fairly obvious that XCM was meant to be distanced from the rest of the X-series in terms of storyline, X8 included.  Why else did they leap to the next century and exclude the entire previous supporting cast?  So I don't think they did a "sloppy" job of connecting anything, I think they were in fact trying to avoid making such connections.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Keno on October 16, 2009, 07:36:36 PM
Uh I disagree entirely? Yea, CM was originally to be seperate, but then they changed their minds & had X8 lead into it, & it turned out rough. That's all I'm saying.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Hypershell on October 17, 2009, 07:35:43 PM
There's no solid lead-in between X8 and XCM.  Most of what X8 established is things we already knew had to happen sooner or later according to MMZ (Sigma dead, Orbital Elevators).

There's no other similarity besides the Copy Chip to Evolution correlation.  Not only does XCM work without it (the Copy Chip is relevant to Redips's tactics and to his changing forms after obtaining SFM), but drawing that link with Redips is sketchy when you consider that Redips's concept of Evolution is quite a bit more selfish than the likes of Sigma and Lumine.  Further questionable is whether or not any refinements went into Copy Chips when their post-X8 production resumed thus affecting that mentality, and for that matter, whether or not XCM even falls before or after that second wave of production is not directly stated.

Let's run over what X8 doesn't cover, shall we?

1. Axl's head-shot affecting his copy ability is a fan-based assumption, the consequences of that attack have not been addressed in any way, while Axl's clip in X8's ending implies something a little darker than "Hey, I can copy Mad Nautillus now."
2. Despite the post-X8 wave of Copy Chip production, they are exceedingly rare in XCM.
3. X's elevation to S-Class is unaddressed (was previously B-Class).
4. Axl makes the leap from new recruit to S-Class, something that should not be happening overnight, especially when you consider that X and Zero are the only other ones as of XCM.
5. X's new armor is unaccounted for
6. The series's usual supporting cast is unaccounted for; in fact X8 expanded it rather than diminishing it.
7. Light's absence is unaccounted for.
8. The means by which ANYONE creates an armor for Zero, thus surpassing Light's understanding of him as of X5, is unaccounted for.
9. The X8 art style change flies in the face of any fan-perceived setup attempt since it only increases the contrast between the titles.
10. X8 declined to make the 22XX century leap that XCM did, as the opening cinema confirms we are still in 21XX.

X8 leads into Command Mission about as much as it leads into ZX Advent.  Not at all.  It fits with it, it is part of the same timeline, and it carries numerous recurring themes.  But in terms of timeline placement, no, Command Mission is no more a direct sequel to X8 than it is to the rest of the X-series.  Even if X8 presents some (nowhere near all) information relevant to it, that does not make XCM any less distant.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Keno on October 18, 2009, 12:22:00 PM
Good argument.

Don't forget Wily's unaccounted disappearance after X6.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Zan on October 18, 2009, 12:28:33 PM
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Don't forget Wily's unaccounted disappearance after X6.

That's a completely separate matter altogether.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Keno on October 18, 2009, 09:34:56 PM
Well X8 would've been the game that should've mentioned him again, since X7 didn't because the only role Zero had in that was to be Axl's mentor buddy or whatever.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Flame on October 18, 2009, 10:05:25 PM
X7 and 8 are about Axl. Wily has nothing to do with that. Thus, he's not there.
X4, 5, and 6, had to do with Zero, so, he was there.

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Axl's clip in X8's ending implies something a little darker than "Hey, I can copy Mad Nautillus now."
This really made me chuckle for some reason.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Keno on October 18, 2009, 11:16:46 PM
X8's about Axl? I didn't get that. I found it to be mostly about Lumine & Sigma.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Flame on October 18, 2009, 11:23:55 PM
Its about the New Generation. Of which Axl is a part of. Axl is important because he is the prototype, and the only one who isnt maverick. all the bosses in X8, (barring Sigma and Vile) are all New Gens.
X7 was about Axl and his mysterious ability, and how Sigma wanted to use it for his own ends. X8, is about how he finally does.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Waifu on October 19, 2009, 02:46:24 AM
What about all the Force Metal stuff in X8?
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Flame on October 19, 2009, 02:58:37 AM
That wasnt force metal. just metal alloy. Think Bolts in classic
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Keno on October 19, 2009, 07:15:51 AM
Its about the New Generation. Of which Axl is a part of. Axl is important because he is the prototype, and the only one who isnt maverick. all the bosses in X8, (barring Sigma and Vile) are all New Gens.
X7 was about Axl and his mysterious ability, and how Sigma wanted to use it for his own ends. X8, is about how he finally does.
He's a prototype, yea, but not necessarily for the same series of copy chips. With as ambiguous as an origin as Axl's there's no telling whether or not he was a prototype for those reploids or was designed seperately, unless I'm missing something. They pretty much just scoff at him for being shitty at transforming.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Flame on October 19, 2009, 07:23:42 AM
He is exactly the same, with the only difference being he does not have the huge ass DNA library all New Gens have in their Copy Chip.
they ALL refer to him as a "prototype" in X8. which Axl doesnt like being called. Actually, he himself refers to himself as a prototype in one instance. even Sigma calls him a "mere Prototype" or something like tht as insultingly as he can make it sound.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Keno on October 19, 2009, 03:53:26 PM
Eh, considering you can never hear any of that if you don't pick Axl after Noah's Park, I never considered it too central. It's just his pussy replacement for "I'm gonna get you Maverick".
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Flame on October 20, 2009, 01:09:50 PM
When they notice Sigma in the copy chip, they mention Axl, and he confirms that he has Newgen immunity, saying,"Im a prototype, and I can confirm that myself."
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: killingtonbear on January 21, 2010, 04:03:02 AM
like sagat, intense,angry and has scars
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Dexter Dexter on January 21, 2010, 04:17:35 AM
Has an uncanny resemblance to M. Bison.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Flame on January 21, 2010, 05:11:06 AM
Has an uncanny resemblance to M. Bison.
VERY uncanny.
(http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac71/Flame-G102/bisonsigma.png)
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: LightningKitsune on January 22, 2010, 04:11:15 AM
Clone or Long-lost brother? You be the judge.

Hell I'd figure twins. Or Bison just cleverly disguised. (Or bumped his head or something.)
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Jetfire on February 02, 2010, 06:26:29 PM
Sigma started two wars (X4, X7)
Three uprisings (MHX, X3, X8)
and masterminded four major terrorist attacks (Xtreme, Xtreme 2, X5) , two of which he participated in directly.

In the course of these actions he personally launched a missile attack on Abel City, unleashed at least 10 berserk mechaniloids, slaughtered at least 11 hunters, broke Vile out of prison, attacked the central highway, spread the virus all over the world infecting many hunters in the process, killed Gate in cold blood, beat Storm Eagle into submission and forced him to take over the airport, created the Zero Virus, corrupted and/or indirectly caused the deaths of Mac, Dr. Doppler, all infected residents of Doppler Town including Bit and Byte, the 8 mavericks of X5, 9/10 Red Alert Members, Techno and Midi, ordered Double to murder 8 members of X’s unit, indirectly caused Zero to kill Colonel and Iris, was indirectly responsible the deaths of General and all of the casualties of the Great War, attempted to destroy the earth with the Repliforce Final Weapon, hired Dynamo to crash the Space Colony into the Earth killing millions, ordered the planting of bombs on the legs of the central highway, deployed the Bee Bladders on Awakening Road, directed Chill Penguin’s takeover of the missile base and attempt to cause an avalanche, Octopus’s hostile takeover of the Marine city, Spark Mandrill’s attack on the power stations, Kuwanger’s takeover of the tower, Flame Mammoth’s takeover of the industrial plants, Armadillo’s energy mine takeover, Sting Chameleon’s forest attacks, Crystal Snail’s takeover of the energen crystal mine, Flame Stag’s attempt to cause an ice age with volcanic ash, Magna Centipede’s corruption and spread of the virus, Wire Sponge’s attack on the weather control station, Sonic Ostrich’s attempted missile strikes, Morph Moth’s takeover of the junkyard, Wheel Gator’s attack on city with his dinosaur tank, the bribery of Bubble Crab to fight naval battles, was behind the attack on the mother computer, Dr. Doppler’s attack on the Hunter Base, masterminded the Erasure terrorist attack, Dragoon’s attack on the Sky Lagoon which killed millions and caused the Great War, was responsible for Mega Scorpio's rampage, Hynard’s attack on the Lava factory, Anteator’s electrosphere virus, Stonekong’s attack on the forest division, Tonion’s radio tower takeover, Warfly’s naval attack, Crowrang’s Aerial assault, Boariski’s attempted bombing of the highway, Gungarro’s occupation of the underground weapons base, directed the 3 giant crab mechaniloids’ attack on Noah’s Park, Burn Rooster’s riot in the “Maverick Dump,” Giga Bolt Man-o-War’s energy hijack of Megalopolis, Pandemonium’s theft of the rocket data, Yeti’s sabotage of the environmental system, Trilobite’s attack on the space mineral mine, Antonion’s manipulation of the gravity facility, Dark Mantis’ illegal weapons production, Sunflower’s sabotage of the Troia facility, the kidnap of Lumine, and the takeover of the “Jakob” Project.


In summation, Sigma is an evil, cold, calculating, machiavellian, manipulative, Darwinian, hitler-esque sociopathic military leader with Luciferian ambitions, brilliant tactics, and inability to know when he has been beat.

Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Flame on February 02, 2010, 06:58:49 PM
He also caused the death of Red. Red was defeated and decided to stay in the collapsing building.
He also had Magna Centipiede brainwashed.
Oh, and along with Red alert, consider blackmail as well. He blackmailed Red into continuing to help him, or I quote "Your friends will never return to normal..."

But, in any case, good analysis.
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: Jetfire on February 02, 2010, 11:40:53 PM
Thankyou sir, but I mentioned the death of Red (9/10 Red Alert Members) and Magna Centipede's infection (Magna Centipede’s corruption and spread of the virus).
Title: Re: How would you describe Sigma?
Post by: AdamTheHedgehog on March 18, 2010, 01:10:29 PM
I would Describe Sigma as follows: A once-great hero, who, because of a virus and lust for power, turned on his creators as well as all of Earth.