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Other Things => Gaming => Topic started by: Kirby Pink on September 09, 2009, 05:03:35 AM
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http://kotaku.com/5355153/sonic-returns-in-new-2d-hd-game
(http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/9392/500xneedlemouse.jpg)
Capcom wannabies...oh...wait let me guess...Xbox 360 and Ps3 only? o~O
Would not suprise me -_-, *gets wallet and goes buy a Xbox 360* Wonder if i can get it in blue.
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Make of this what you will (http://kotaku.com/5355153/sonic-returns-in-new-2d-hd-game)... owob
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You are 1 min too late.
New 2D Sonic? by Protodude (Gaming) Today at 05:04:13 AM
Sonic Returns In New 2D, HD Game by KirbyPink (Gaming) Today at 05:03:35 AM
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You are 1 min too late.
New 2D Sonic? by Protodude (Gaming) Today at 05:04:13 AM
Sonic Returns In New 2D, HD Game by KirbyPink (Gaming) Today at 05:03:35 AM
My god...what are the odds?
Anyone care to merge the topics, or remove one?
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guess which of you is higher on hitomi's list of coolness and win a kick to the shin.
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Merged topics.
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I am in :0 mode right now.
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Sonic4ohpleasesonic4OHPLEASESONIC4!!!
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Sonic4ohpleasesonic4OHPLEASESONIC4!!!
SUPER SONIC THE HEDGEHOG TURBO HD
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w00t i win ^_^, Anyhow,thanks for that Quicke :3
As i see it, it's prorably a remake of the first game...but with cutscenes and a screaming Sonic.
Gee, does that sound familiar?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7_1v2zG6G0[/youtube]
I like Sonic, and i like Megaman. But, i am as many of other fans skeptical of this new game. 2D is great and all , but yea...
Go Sonic!
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It said it wasn't a remake, and that it was from the ground up. :U
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guess which of you is higher on hitomi's list of coolness and win a kick to the shin.
Ouch...my shin :(
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It said it wasn't a remake, and that it was from the ground up. :U
Yea and Blizzard said Alliance convert to Horde wasn't ever going to happen.
Okay,ima stop being mean about it. Keep checking for news guys. I sure will.
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SUPER SONIC THE HEDGEHOG TURBO HD
[tornado fang] YES, PLEEEASSSEEEE!
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I like how the figure in the emblem doesn't look like Sonic.
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Wait, didn't someone else do Sonic HD?
(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/6541/screenshotx42.png)
http://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_2_HD
True this is Sonic 2 in HD. ...wait in HD? Wait, Super Sonic HD? o//////o
Aw D: Nothing...
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Wait a minute.. SONIC XTREME!?! Hopefully I'd love to see what they have in store, seems past gaming idols are returning into their roots, and it's a good thing, right?
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Yeah, there's a fan project for Sonic 2 HD.
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Dear Sega,
Make this like Sonic CD or Sonic 3 & Knuckles, bring back Metal Sonic, and make him playable.
Way Past Cool,
PB!
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No. NO!
Dammit, Sega, NO! NO! NO! NO!
You can't keep throwing "...Returning back to his roots" in my face! It's lost all meaning years ago, and it's not going to work! Especially when you keep adding in "speed-based gameplay" along with it!
It hasn't worked on me since Sonic Rush, and you're not going to sucker this guy, again.
The only, and I repeat, ONLY way you're going to get me to look so much at another Sonic game again, is through these things being promised:
a) Actual Momentum-based gameplay, like the older titles
b) Non-realistic Earth setting
c) limiting of "friends" (talking like no more than like Sonic, Tails, Knux and Vector, at most). Or hell, no friends at all, would be fine, too.
d) Eggman/Robotnik, along with Metal Sonic, are the main bad guys, and ONLY bad-guys. No more "evil demons" that are randomly found for some reason.
e) Super Sonic is available for casual, in-level play, after you collect all those damn emeralds.
f) Imaginative level design
If you can't promise me that, then, sorry, you're not getting my money for a Sonic game. Ever again. You leave that to your gullible fans and children's parents.
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The emblem kinda looks like samba de amigo guy.
But this is surprising news.
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I like how the figure in the emblem doesn't look like Sonic.
I like how you copied me almost word to word.
Anyway, I'm quite interested in this.
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i'm excited, but also cautious. as Ben said, Sega's claimed to go back to Sonic's roots before.
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I like how you copied me almost word to word.
I like how I already told you the game looks odd. Clearly the only thing that would look odd is the emblem.
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Sonic Advance 1-3 and Sonic Adventure Rush 1 and 2 was good.
Cause it sticked to 2D run. Sure, Rush had cutscenes , but they wasn't bad as the 3D games.
I played some Black Knight earlier today. My god, some of the missions are just ...annoying. Sonic Unleashed was okay, the day stages was awsome, but the Werehog...L and R to punch... >_<
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I like how the figure in the emblem doesn't look like Sonic.
I was trying to avoid the thought.
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No. NO!
Dammit, Sega, NO! NO! NO! NO!
You can't keep throwing "...Returning back to his roots" in my face! It's lost all meaning years ago, and it's not going to work! Especially when you keep adding in "speed-based gameplay" along with it!
It hasn't worked on me since Sonic Rush, and you're not going to sucker this guy, again.
The only, and I repeat, ONLY way you're going to get me to look so much at another Sonic game again, is through these things being promised:
a) Actual Momentum-based gameplay, like the older titles
b) Non-realistic Earth setting
c) limiting of "friends" (talking like no more than like Sonic, Tails, Knux and Vector, at most). Or hell, no friends at all, would be fine, too.
d) Eggman/Robotnik, along with Metal Sonic, are the main bad guys, and ONLY bad-guys. No more "evil demons" that are randomly found for some reason.
e) Super Sonic is available for casual, in-level play, after you collect all those damn emeralds.
f) Imaginative level design
If you can't promise me that, then, sorry, you're not getting my money for a Sonic game. Ever again. You leave that to your gullible fans and children's parents.
Look, Sega! Look at what you've done to this man!
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Sonic Advance 1-3 and Sonic Adventure Rush 1 and 2 was good.
Cause it sticked to 2D run. Sure, Rush had cutscenes , but they wasn't bad as the 3D games.
I played some Black Knight earlier today. My god, some of the missions are just ...annoying. Sonic Unleashed was okay, the day stages was awsome, but the Werehog...L and R to punch... >_<
Advance was awesome.
also, you were playing the Wii version of unleashed? once you get that 360, buy yourself the REAL version. and exerience the awesomeness of New York Empire City
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I was trying to avoid the thought.
Can you imagine though? If it's some sort of other character, there's a chance tons of people won't try this game.
Then again, if it's good, well then, let's hope they don't mess it up.
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Can you imagine though? If it's some sort of other character, there's a chance tons of people won't try this game.
Then again, if it's good, well then, let's hope they don't mess it up.
You mean like a new character?
Silver, that fox... and the amount of Shadow Clones...
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I'm just hoping its not "Hold-Right and win, every stage has bottomless pits" Sonic Advance 2 style... I hate that game. Sonic Rush wasn't too bad actually, I would like it to be like that.
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I'm just hoping its not "Hold-Right and win, every stage has bottomless pits" Sonic Advance 2 style... I hate that game.
I like SA2! I did tons of time trails for that game. ;3
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/Werty2132/Game%20Screenshots/Time.png)
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0:36:57 doesn't seem all that great...
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I loved the boss music in A2.
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Mainly I had 3 things to complain about in that game.
1. The method of getting to the special stage. (7 Special Rings, if you die you lose them all) And the Special Stage itself.
2. The god damn wheel boss with the hand that does 1 hit Kills.
3. ALL THOSE [tornado fang]ing PITS THAT ARE 100m DEEP. Why they couldn't make them more shallow is beyond me.
Btw, I think S2 is overrated *Shot*.
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I'm just hoping its not "Hold-Right and win, every stage has bottomless pits" Sonic Advance 2 style... I hate that game. Sonic Rush wasn't too bad actually, I would like it to be like that.
If it was a mix of the Advance and Rush games, that'd be pretty cool. If they got rid of the bad points of each game; Rush had terribly placed enemies, and Advance had terribly placed pits, it'd be fantastic. Then again, Rush had some pretty badly placed pits too.
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Can you imagine though? If it's some sort of other character, there's a chance tons of people won't try this game.
Then again, if it's good, well then, let's hope they don't mess it up.
If it was some "new" character, then maybe that might be the best way to try and market the damn game to guys like me. Because guys like me have gotten to the point where we are "sick and tired, of being sick and tired".
I mean, my thinking is...if it was a new character and a new game, then it would have a chance of being free from ALL OF THE BULLSHIT that the Sonic franchise has accumulated over the years, and could be something unto itself, to say the least. And by freeing itself from the bullshit, I'm talking about the post Genesis era games, the fanbase....EVERYTHING associated with the brand, now-a-days.
For all I care, it could be a new 2D "Sonic game", that plays EXACTLY like the 3&K/CD games I desire so much....but stars Mighty the Armadillo (the runner-up to the original character design), instead, and gives him a new villain to fill the Eggman role. I wouldn't care that much, really. Something like this would be a nice "compromise", such that older fans can have what we want, and Sega can continue to market their....*ahem* "wares" to the current Sonic audience.
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@ Harruhy: Well, Since its from the ground up, Im assuming EVERYTHING will be different.
But now, should we start guessing the release format? I mean, how long is this going to be? just how much HD is it? how does it run, work ETC.
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Well, like every other game, we can start guessing, and hoping.
But like most games, it won't be what we hoped for.
Unless it's even better.
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I want them to compose the music with the Yamaha YM2512 sound.
And bring back past composers.
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@ Ben: In MY opinion, after heroes it started to Go bad. since I for one, liked Heroes. Cant see why people keep whining about it. "Its the same stages!" So? they have differences depending on what team you play as. The most major being team Chaotix. STHH was alright by me, but if they still had the SA1-SH VA's, it probably wouldnt have been as bad. actually, I wouldnt mind a remake of STHH, do it right. kind of like how SHadow played in Sonic 06. Thats how he should have played in the previous game. Sonic 06 had potential too, but the only stories I found interesting were Shadow and Silver's. Sonic's was... I dunno. Didnt like it. and something about the story was just wrong. I dug Eggmans Nifty design, but then they throw it out. It was pretty cool. We get to see that he actually has a pair of eyes under his Pince Nez's
And Sonic Unleashed was good, but just didnt eel like a mainstream Sonic title... It felt too much like a side story.
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0:36:57 doesn't seem all that great...
Oh and you can do better? :\@ Harruhy: Well, Since its from the ground up, Im assuming EVERYTHING will be different.
But now, should we start guessing the release format? I mean, how long is this going to be? just how much HD is it? how does it run, work ETC.
Not the Wii of course. It's most likely Ps3 and Xbox 360. Why?
Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD
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Oh and you can do better?
Dunno, probably.
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No. NO!
Dammit, Sega, NO! NO! NO! NO!
You can't keep throwing "...Returning back to his roots" in my face! It's lost all meaning years ago, and it's not going to work! Especially when you keep adding in "speed-based gameplay" along with it!
It hasn't worked on me since Sonic Rush, and you're not going to sucker this guy, again.
The only, and I repeat, ONLY way you're going to get me to look so much at another Sonic game again, is through these things being promised:
a) Actual Momentum-based gameplay, like the older titles
b) Non-realistic Earth setting
c) limiting of "friends" (talking like no more than like Sonic, Tails, Knux and Vector, at most). Or hell, no friends at all, would be fine, too.
d) Eggman/Robotnik, along with Metal Sonic, are the main bad guys, and ONLY bad-guys. No more "evil demons" that are randomly found for some reason.
e) Super Sonic is available for casual, in-level play, after you collect all those damn emeralds.
f) Imaginative level design
If you can't promise me that, then, sorry, you're not getting my money for a Sonic game. Ever again. You leave that to your gullible fans and children's parents.
[tornado fang]ing Seconded, I thought Unleashed was a step in the right direction, but there were still quite a few muck-ups. If this is nothing more than Sonic 1 or CD or whatever in HD, then they've officially run out of ideas. I mean, Capcom releasing MvC2 on Arcade was one thing, they have a healthy enough reputation to allow making a game like that a big deal, especially when the game WAS a big deal when it first came out and pre-rerelease, used copies were going for an easy 80 bucks. Sega on the other hand, needs to start doing something else with their time rather than trying to bring back Sonic for cash.
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Dunno, probably.
I'd like too see you try. :3
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I'd like too see you try. :3
I bet you would, but I don't feel like wasting the amount of time it takes (less than 0:36:57) on you.
Besides, the topic is about the new game. Don't get sidetracked now. :D
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Wait wait wait....
...What if....Sonic used a Chainsaw in this game, and fought Robot Zombies?
Sonic and the Underworld.
HUH? HUH? 8D
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I was thinking something along the lines of Madworld and Sonic when you said the bit about the chainsaw.
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What if it wasn't just any chainsaw...but a rocket propelled chainsaw?
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I was thinking something along the lines of Madworld and Sonic when you said the bit about the chainsaw.
I thought of Dead Rising meets Sonic <.<
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What if it wasn't just any chainsaw...but a rocket propelled chainsaw?
You mean Sonic running with a chainsaw attached to him? 8D
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Even better. :0
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Honestly, if this is a true return to Genesis-style Sonic gameplay, I will go out and buy a [chameleon sting]ing 360. I'll get the money somehow and do it. I've been waiting years for Sonic to return to true 2D, sidescrolling gameplay on a console for years. This will be a dream [tornado fang]ing come true! If Sonic Team messes this one up... Let's just say they won't be able to ever fully clean up the mess I make in the Sega offices.
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Shadow's "maturation" was already a dumb idea. what makes you think an M rated Sonic would be any better?
unless if that game consists of Sonic using said chainsaw to slaughter every friend he's accumulated over the years. that would be the best guilty pleasure ever.
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If its a true return and all that, and it is DL... Im going to rage.
Posted on: September 09, 2009, 12:12:02 AM
Shadow's "maturation" was already a dumb idea. what makes you think an M rated Sonic would be any better?
unless if that game consists of Sonic using said chainsaw to slaughter every friend he's accumulated over the years. that would be the best guilty pleasure ever.
what do you have against Tails Knuckles and Amy? D:
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Shadow's "maturation" was already a dumb idea. what makes you think an M rated Sonic would be any better?
unless if that game consists of Sonic using said chainsaw to slaughter every friend he's accumulated over the years. that would be the best guilty pleasure ever.
We'll leave that to the fan flash games that probably pop up on newgrounds.
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Shadow's "maturation" was already a dumb idea. what makes you think an M rated Sonic would be any better?
unless if that game consists of Sonic using said chainsaw to slaughter every friend he's accumulated over the years. that would be the best guilty pleasure ever.
I did like Blaze, though... In Rush, not in Sonic Next Gen. They butchered her in that game. >_< Way to destroy the only good female character in the series, Sonic Team. :\
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yeah, Blaze was cool in Rush.
what do you have against Tails Knuckles and Amy? D:
frankly, they became annoying as well after SA2. Amy i was never a fan of. but they are higher on the pecking order than, say, Charmy and Silver.
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But remember, Sonic 06 never happened due to sega's brilliant Idea of erasing its events after the final boss is defeated.
Posted on: September 09, 2009, 12:24:32 AM
yeah, Blaze was cool in Rush.
frankly, they became annoying as well after SA2. Amy i was never a fan of. but they are higher on the pecking order than, say, Charmy and Silver.
Silver has kinda grown on me. I like picking up the apple barrels and throwing them around, then throwing the apples in 06.
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But remember, Sonic 06 never happened due to sega's brilliant Idea of erasing its events after the final boss is defeated.
Sonic got the human girl that was into bestiality and doesn't remember it. ;O;
Edit: Flame, merge your posts with the "Double Posts" option, please.
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Sonic got the human girl that was into bestiality and doesn't remember it. ;O;
Remember kids, being a furry can be fun :D
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...huh.
Woke up, saw this... got nothing. Not excited, not disappointed, not really feeling anything. It was just sort of a "...oh... ok."
Maybe I need some gameplay vids first.
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Remember kids, being a furry can be fun :D
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eaw4IBhNE0[/youtube]
Sonic Says
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I'd say out of all the new characters since Knuckles, Blaze would probably be my favorite.
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I have no idea who Blaze is, cause I really don't pay attention to the new Sonic games so much.
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In Sonic Rush she was the 2nd story character. Yeah, it was her and Sonic.So you had to play as her and Sonic to fully beat the game.
But in the sequal you could play as her and Sonic... which i didn't. Sonic all the way! I mean sure Blaze is stronger in attack, but there is one thing you wanna do in a Sonic game.
Run fast.
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c387/sshedgehog/New%20Sonic/Blaze.png)
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Some stages were easier to S rank depending on which character you used.
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Sonic got the human girl that was into bestiality and doesn't remember it. ;O;
Edit: Flame, merge your posts with the "Double Posts" option, please.
Didnt I? :\
also, Sonic got killed, and we found out he doesnt bleed.
Eggman's design is probably another effect of erasing the timeline. yknow, one of those kill a butterfly and damage the future radically things.
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I'd say out of all the new characters since Knuckles, Blaze would probably be my favorite.
This, more or less.
Also, for those worried its not Sonic, it is. Overlay Sonic 1's title screen with the trailer image. They match up. Sonic's got his finger wag on.
Otherwise, I couldn't really care too much yet. I wanna see it in action. If it looks great, I will be stoked. I've just been burned too many times, though. Everything after Heroes, minus Rush Adventure (And that was only in replays) has just been terrible. Except Unleashed. I can't comment on Unleashed.
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Avoid the Wii/PS2 version and you're golden.
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Oh god.
This better be from the ground up.
Or else Sega can kiss my ass.
Wait they can do it right now.
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(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c387/sshedgehog/New%20Sonic/Blaze.png)
I find Blaze interesting because she's the only girl in the games who goes around with her crotch exposed, just like Sally from the cartoon.
Eggman's design is probably another effect of erasing the timeline. yknow, one of those kill a butterfly and damage the future radically things.
Oh, I see! So in the original timeline, Dr. Eggman looked more realistic throughout the entire series, but now with Solaris out of the picture, he's gotten extra fat and cartoony.
I like how the figure in the emblem doesn't look like Sonic.
I think what we're seeing is Sonic's head overlapping the circular part of the emblem, and a couple of rays of light appear to be creating an edge on the circle where there isn't one. So that's not a hat or someone else's head, it's just where the magical rays happened to be.
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I think what we're seeing is Sonic's head overlapping the circular part of the emblem, and a couple of rays of light appear to be creating an edge on the circle where there isn't one. So that's not a hat or someone else's head, it's just where the magical rays happened to be.
(http://i29.tinypic.com/4h41w0.jpg)
Posted on: September 09, 2009, 03:01:51 AM
Best teaser site I've ever seen (http://www.needlemouse.com/).
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Some of those hills look like Tim Burton designed them.
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I was thinking of Dr. Seuss.
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Yeah, not dark enough for Tim Burton, but that one with the curl makes me lol.
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I'm kinda excited. ^^ And they say it's based on old Needlemouse concept. I want everything Ben said.
I have no idea who Blaze is, cause I really don't pay attention to the new Sonic games so much.
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c387/sshedgehog/New%20Sonic/Blaze.png)
That's not Blaze.
(http://lol.rockmanpm.com/vixy/VixyBlazeTheCat.png)
This is Blaze.
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This might turn out interesting.
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I find Blaze interesting because she's the only girl in the games who goes around with her crotch exposed, just like Sally from the cartoon.
No, she doesn't. Blaze is clearly wearing pants in that picture. The color of her fur is purple and the pants are white.
I'm kinda excited. ^^ And they say it's based on old Needlemouse concept. I want everything Ben said.
That's not Blaze.
(http://lol.rockmanpm.com/vixy/VixyBlazeTheCat.png)
This is Blaze.
That piccy pretty cute, Vixyness. Where'd you get it? :)
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It's an adorable Blaze dress-up thingy~ (http://forum.rockmanpm.com/index.php?topic=12.msg101571#msg101571)
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It's an adorable Blaze dress-up thingy~ (http://forum.rockmanpm.com/index.php?topic=12.msg101571#msg101571)
That's very snuggly~ :3
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I like SA2! I did tons of time trails for that game. ;3
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/Werty2132/Game%20Screenshots/Time.png)
try under 30 seconds and we'll talk, kiddo.
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try under 30 seconds and we'll talk, kiddo.
Demon on sneakers~ (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-313047519838045454&q=nitsuja&ei=VH9uSOvoLIqqrQKD7ei6CA)
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God Damn.
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It's tool-assisted, so it doesn't count. Still amazingly fast, though. oo;
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Well, Ben kicked the thread off with the truth and PB contributed the silly, so there isn't that much I can contribute now. I will say that the Tim Burton-esque Green Hills are awesome looking, but I hope they don't go too far in that particular direction. Also music.
Is it weird that I'm more concerned with what the soundtrack for this game will be? God knows I'd kill for Hideki Naganuma (Rush), Richard Jacques (Sonic R) or the duo of Naofumi Hataya & Masafumi Ogata (Sonic CD JPN) to return and make a soundtrack. Maybe the unthinkable could happen and Dreams Come True (Sonic 1 - 2) could make another soundtrack!
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I dont think the soundtrack will be a problem... They're usually good Im my opinion.
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Yeah, if thats one thing Sonic Team can normally get right its music. Even Sonic 06, the festering pile it was had good music.
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It's tool-assisted, so it doesn't count.
easy, tiger.
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easy, tiger.
Rawr! -u-'
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Yeah, no
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I have a bad feeling about this. [/Han Solo]
Posted on: September 09, 2009, 03:01:17 PM
I was trying to avoid the thought.
You do know that Sonic was originally going to be named "Mr. Needlemouse", right?
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R says:
So again, basically...
R says:
...Sega have gone so [tornado fang]ing deep on this, that there is only one thing to say.
R says:
This is their very last chance at fixing the poor thing.
R says:
Seriously, if this doesn't work, what they're telling us, is that Sonic sucks, no matter how it is made.
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R says:
So again, basically...
R says:
...Sega have gone so [tornado fang]ing deep on this, that there is only one thing to say.
R says:
This is their very last chance at fixing the poor thing.
R says:
Seriously, if this doesn't work, what they're telling us, is that Sonic sucks, no matter how it is made.
To be honest, in regards to the previous post with this quote, I don't even think that this attempt at recapturing Sonic's glory will work anyway. Even if this game is super successful, fans will still complain. Even if this game does incredibly well, we all know that Sega isn't going to give up on 3D Sonic games.
Thankfully, I care little about what other fans think, and more about my own personal enjoyment! 8)
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And the heavens shone with an awesome glow;
And the angels sang out in immaculate harmony;
And the clouds parted from above;
And God saw this, and it was good;
And He held His thumb upwards;
And He declared, "I'm cool with this!"
Thankfully, I care little about what other fans think, and more about my own personal enjoyment! 8)
Yeah, this.
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GS: With HD makeovers of classic games being popular right now, can we expect the game to use chunky old school sprites or hi-res HD sprites?
KB: You can definitely expect HD graphics.
Calling it now. It'll play in 2D, but still be 3D ala Rivals.
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i'd put my money on that as well.
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Sonic High Dimensional!
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It's not going to have Super Sonic or the spin dash. They're going completely back to the basics! 8D
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i guarantee it'll have Homing Attack and rail grinding.
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WE'RE TALKIN ABOUT SEGA! They'll somehow [tornado fang] up the game.
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I'm just glad you guys are more level headed than the actual boards dedicated to Sonic
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On the one hand, I can take some heart in knowing that the console staff is being dedicated to a 2D game, the rapper hedgehog was a hoax, they know about the critiques of the camera and directional movement (as evidenced by the 3d-2d transitions in Sonic Unleashed that made parts of Super Mario Galaxy gold), and that this whole project may turn out fine in an attempt to avoid Sonic being on the Wal-Mart bargain bin shelf.
But on the other hand, I remember Sonic Rush/Adventure/Advance 2 still being a little iffy, filled with open-bottom design, and lacking in catchy tunes (Chemical Plant, Carnival Night, Green Hill, etc.). I also remember how no Special Stage has ever beaten S3&K's Special Stages in every way; most other games require or are made far easier by memorization while S3&K, even though you can memorize those layouts, were passable on the first go-round IF you had the skill. That's rare. Last but not least, I also remember Sonic Team's latest track record.
Either way, I think I'm still going to buy this; bad or not, this is definitely a step in the right direction whereas Sonic Unleashed turned out to be more of a stand-still.
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i'd put my money on that as well.
Notice how the interview completely dodged HD sprites and simply stated lol HD graphics.
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the 2D to 3D in unleashed was not bad. :\
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the 2D to 3D in unleashed was not bad. :\
The transitions seemed fairly fluid and bugfree, and the 2D was fine.
It's that 3D that speed just doesn't mix well with.
EDIT: Wait, you guys actually believe that Needlemouse site is real? Ha! That's not even how they'd unveil stage design.
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My My. Sega must be bold doing this. I dearly hope they don't [tornado fang] this up. The stakes will be higher this time around.
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The transitions seemed fairly fluid and bugfree, and the 2D was fine.
It's that 3D that speed just doesn't mix well with.
EDIT: Wait, you guys actually believe that Needlemouse site is real? Ha! That's not even how they'd unveil stage design.
Its like dropping fish into the dead sea. lol. I thought it was good. the surprising thing was that the PS2/wii versions actually werent bad, (the day stages I mean) They actually got them right. its the night stages tht were a disaster. while in the 360/ps3 they were tolerable, and kinda fun, in the other two, ugh...
but I liked it.
But lets not compare yet.
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My My. Sega must be bold doing this. I dearly hope they don't [tornado fang] this up. The stakes will be higher this time around.
Honestly, since it's been so damn long since the Genesis-era of games when Sonic was at his peak, I think there's not much else Sega can do. They either pass or fail, no "it was average" or "it was amazing", they really don't have the ability to crank a game like that out any more. Even Bioware, the guys who made Sonic Chronicles couldn't revive the blue bastard.
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I don't think Sonic Team remembers how to make a good Sonic game anymore, really. Or maybe they never really knew and kind of lucked out for a while.
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Even Bioware, the guys who made Sonic Chronicles couldn't revive the blue bastard.
I can't believe that flopped. I had it. It was okay, but not really. Never, NEVER, have I seen an RPG transition that was that poor. Even Megaman X: Command Mission, though it didn't garner a lot of sales, is a very solid RPG as far as design!
...well, at least we got Shade out of it.
SHADOW/WAVE/SHADE!
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My...i laugh at this...
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/projectneedlemouse/news.html?sid=6216990&tag=topslot;thumb;5&mode=previews
GS: What games do you think have captured that essence best over the years?
KB: Personally, the games that first come to mind are the Sonic Legacy titles, (Sonic 1, 2, 3, & Knuckles), Sonic Adventure, Sonic Rush, and Sonic’s speed in Sonic Unleashed. I think each of those games did a great job at propelling the series forward to a new generation, both visually and in terms of gameplay.
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KB: Old-school Sonic fans have long asked to see Sonic return to a more 2D style of gameplay.
Gee, where have i seen this before?
Megaman 9
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how the hell has Silver evolved into a good character? Hes only been in like, what, 3 games? only one of which really does any decent character building, which is later promptly erased from the timeline.
Shadow... I have to admit, I like what they have done with him ever since Sonic 06. He feels fresh now that he isn't emo anymore. Now that he isnt concerned about the past like he was since SA2.
Though the change could have been made just as well without STHH... If they just had him throw aside his past in Heroes, things could have gone much smoother. since in Heroes, they managed the amnesia well. As in, they didnt over present it, and it wasnt the main focus. it was only in like, 1 or two cutscenes. in STHH... well... WHO AM I!? *cut cut*
lol, I love how he dodged the question on graphics.
Over the past 19 years, Sonic has been in a variety of different games, some of which were a stretch. Were there any that didn’t happen because they were a little too out there?
wheres Mah Sonic Xtreme?
the only thing that was considered "out there" back then, was cooperation between Sega of Japan and as America. >_>
which is why the game was never finished past test demo.
I feel the idea was just too advanced for its time.
which is why Nintendo has JUST come up with Mario Galaxy only recently.
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I can't believe that flopped. I had it. It was okay, but not really. Never, NEVER, have I seen an RPG transition that was that poor. Even Megaman X: Command Mission, though it didn't garner a lot of sales, is a very solid RPG as far as design!
You're tellin' me. I mean, jesus, HOW can they have screwed up so badly? I mean, I don't even know where to start on how bad that game is!
how the hell has Silver evolved into a good character? Hes only been in like, what, 3 games? only one of which really does any decent character building, which is later promptly erased from the timeline.
Good question. Odds are the guy never played the games and automatically assumed that. After all, knowing just how wrong he is in several areas requires one to actually PLAY the games, so he either talked out of his ass, or prayed that no one played them and just take his word for it.
What's really bad is he mentioned a character who's pretty much only known in the comic series and has had no more than two video game appearances (even THEN it's debatable).
The really bad part about the whole thing is it seems more of a cash-in and chance to hope something good happens due to the success of Mega Man 9 (a relatively old series which ended up with a total 2D game to bring him back into the limelight), but at the same time, they're not focusing on the 'retro' aspect since it's going to be in HD (and what are the odds they're going to even REMOTELY use the ol' Genesis sprites?). I mean, there are just so many things that can go wrong with this game. What if it's only in 2D by nature and plays more like a 2D version of any console sonic game after Sonic 3/S&K? What if they're going to make you play as other characters and force new ones to appear? At least Chip had the decency to almost ensure him never returning at the end of Unleashed.
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Pfft, your wondering? he obviously talked out of his ass. The whole talk is an act... he brushed up on current characters and some unknown ones for that statement, and thats that, He no doubt never played any of the games. and since the guy is from Sega US, then he obviously didnt have anything to do with the making of the games, (outside of localization) so, yeah.
Though rereading my comment, I now see why i liked Silver in Sonic 06. his character development was amazing for just one game. he went from an impulsive hothead, to a more mature hothead who actually thinks about things.
I mean, it took Shadow what, 3+ games to fully flesh him out?
Yet Sega decided to make a funny and say "oop! now it happened, now it didn't! Just like magic!" Just to make sure tht if the game flops, it doesnt really affect the overal story. (and to undo the Sonic x Elise) sadly, Eggman's design also went along with it. I liked it.
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The phrase, "take Sonic back to his roots" is old. We all know that. Reminding me of that is the fact that the recent trailer touting that line (again) showed me absolutely nothing of what I wanted to see (again).
Dear Sega:
Super Sonic in stage replays or GTFO.
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I don't think Sonic Team remembers how to make a good Sonic game anymore, really. Or maybe they never really knew and kind of lucked out for a while.
Sonic team from those ancient days left long ago. The new one isn't even involved with the older staff. Naka himself is also gone.
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A page late, but I found this far more amusing than I had any right to (http://www.boomspeed.com/kieran/blazethestampede.jpg).
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Sonic team from those ancient days left long ago. The new one isn't even involved with the older staff. Naka himself is also gone.
I'm well aware of that. Doesn't change the fact that by carrying the same name, certain expectations were made for a while. I'm still not so sure they really knew for sure back then what made Sonic so great, either.
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The fathers of the series (Naka, Oshima, & Yazuhara) did but apparently, they never shared it with thhe lesser folk and let them build their own expectations on what makes Sonic games.
And I would have no problem with this if the newer games had concepts that were fully fleshed out and executed. It's also troubling that to me, not one of Sonic's 3D outings has nearly as much replay value as the 5 Genesis games (sans Secret Rings for some insane reason).
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That IS insane, 'cuz I find SA2B infinitely more replayable (not that I don't like Secret Rings).
It's true, even new Sonic Team isn't that bad when it comes to concepts (were-hog aside). It's just the overall lack of polish that bites them in the ass.
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That IS insane, 'cuz I find SA2B infinitely more replayable (not that I don't like Secret Rings).
i was going to say the same thing, more or less. hell, i probably played/play SA2 more than most of the Genesis games. i think only S3K tops it.
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Took the words out of my mouth. I have something like 70-90 lives stocked in SA2.
As for S3&K, one of the best 2D games ever made. I went ahead and dedicated all 8 save files to clears of each character in different scenarios. Emerald-less, Chaos Emeralds (no Tails for this one since it makes no difference), and Super Emeralds.
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I definitely enjoy going through the Sonic and Shadow levels in SA2. I just wish there was more of those levels than some of the ones we got instead.
As for S3K... I've played far too much of that one. Running through the whole game again but in Super/Hyper form is great fun. There's so many ways to break the game when you do that too, so it's kind of interesting in it's own way.
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Took the words out of my mouth. I have something like 70-90 lives stocked in SA2.
As for S3&K, one of the best 2D games ever made. I went ahead and dedicated all 8 save files to clears of each character in different scenarios. Emerald-less, Chaos Emeralds (no Tails for this one since it makes no difference), and Super Emeralds.
Sonic 3 and Knuckles
definitly one of my all time favorites
when starting a new game i get all Chaos Emeralds by Stage 3 most of the time
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I just want a sonic without overcomplicated story....seriously why did they bother giving Sonic a story at all.....
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I just want a sonic without overcomplicated story....seriously why did they bother giving Sonic a story at all.....
I fully agree.
And I would have no problem with this if the newer games had concepts that were fully fleshed out and executed. It's also troubling that to me, not one of Sonic's 3D outings has nearly as much replay value as the 5 Genesis games (sans Secret Rings for some insane reason).
Actually, I have a lot of fun replaying Daytime Unleashed levels a lot, trying to A and S rank those.
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while having almost no story outside the manual is the safest bet, i feel S3K did in game story right. the small cutscenes and transitions into new zones and acts really helped the presentation.
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while having almost no story outside the manual is the safest bet, i feel S3K did in game story right. the small cutscenes and transitions into new zones and acts really helped the presentation.
That they did, but they were kept very simple overall, which worked in it's favour. No dialogue whatsoever, yet you could pretty much tell what was going on anyways.
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while having almost no story outside the manual is the safest bet, i feel S3K did in game story right. the small cutscenes and transitions into new zones and acts really helped the presentation.
Exactly. It's simple and not drawn out.
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http://www.needlemouse.com/
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http://www.needlemouse.com/
Already been posted.
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Check out the post under the image.
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There are words now!
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Indeed there are. Which is why I posted the link, Kyouya.
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You could have also copy/pasted the relevant information so he wouldn't think you were just late to posting something that was discovered. :U
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:V :V
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Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 were as far as Sonic stories should have ever gone.
Anything past that was just ridiculous, save for maybe Sonic Heroes and Sonic Battle.
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Shadow The hedgehog is for all intents and purposes Sonic adventure 2.5
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Shadow The hedgehog is for all intents and purposes Sonic adventure 2.5
Shadow Heroes, more like.
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Does that mean Sonic the Hedgehog was Sonic Adventure 3, or what?
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Shadow Heroes, more like.
except it had nothing to do with heroes aside from using the same engine. It had everything to do however, with Sonic adventure 2.
Does that mean Sonic the Hedgehog was Sonic Adventure 3, or what?
No.
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So I just saw that the Needlemouse site was for a fan project? I'm gonna laugh if it turns out better than SEGA's Project Needlemouse. XD
Actually, I have a lot of fun replaying Daytime Unleashed levels a lot, trying to A and S rank those.
I still have to experience the latter 90% of Unleashed 360/Ps3 sometime. The intro stage was wonderful though for the demo I played.
while having almost no story outside the manual is the safest bet, i feel S3K did in game story right. the small cutscenes and transitions into new zones and acts really helped the presentation.
Yeah, I really love that approach to the story progression and wondered why no other games, nevermind Sonic games, have done it more often. Then again, my frame of reference might be somewhat limited.
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Shadow Heroes, more like.
It'd have been less like it if it wasn't for that blasted boss fork in the last five stages, doubling the number of necessary replays without expanding actual content. That and the overly strict nature of some of the missions were pretty much the game's only drawbacks.
The Last Story stage was pretty awesome though, seeings how with no missions Chaos Control was actually useful.
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I fail to see how it can be compared to Heroes.
But I liked the game. it was fun I thought. Music was great too. But thats just about the only thing Sega constantly gets right.
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>people who aren't seeing the obvious connections to Sonic Heroes
Gameplay and graphics, not to mention Shadow has a "partner" in most levels, and, lookie there, a freakin' super attack that you build as the stage goes along.
Story branches off SA2 and Heroes. Remember, Shadow had AMNESIA LOL. SA2 ended with him dying (for all we knew).
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If Sega wants to appeal to the older crowd that liked this game when it was 2D, they could do that, but they are too busy stealing your little brothers money to care. But now that they cant think of more crappy characters no one over 7 cares about they want their loyal fans back.
They usally get music righ so now they need ....replayability,lush graphics,online somthing,the GOOD side characters playable, and it needs to be in a package of gold and shining complete with a sonic side character to do your bidding ( im SURE they got enough).
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What the...? It is a new character!?
[spoiler](http://pressthebuttons.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83452033569e20120a5b6d54c970c-800wi)[/spoiler]
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>people who aren't seeing the obvious connections to Sonic Heroes
Gameplay and graphics, not to mention Shadow has a "partner" in most levels, and, lookie there, a freakin' super attack that you build as the stage goes along.
Story branches off SA2 and Heroes. Remember, Shadow had AMNESIA LOL. SA2 ended with him dying (for all we knew).
gameplay was really different than Heroes. Nothing like it. you didnt control the sidekick. not unless you had a second player. And they were useless. Plus they would automatically attack things in some cases. And you could switch them off.
The super attack is irrelevant, as Sonic 06 has that too, (to a certain extent).
Shadow never died in SA2. he used Chaos control to get past the atmosphere to a point he wouldnt die. Eggman found him, and took him back. (hence the android clones in Heroes and STHH)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UafoKSTLwhc
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Am I THE ONLY one that sees him doing a chaos control?
Posted on: September 11, 2009, 06:51:47 PM
What the...? It is a new character!?
[spoiler](http://pressthebuttons.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83452033569e20120a5b6d54c970c-800wi)[/spoiler]
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What the...? It is a new character!?
[spoiler](http://pressthebuttons.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83452033569e20120a5b6d54c970c-800wi)[/spoiler]
owob
LoL, bought instantly!
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Best character ever!
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As if Bandanna-chu SSBB weren't enough...
It is kickass in an out-of-character way, though.
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So I just saw that the Needlemouse site was for a fan project? I'm gonna laugh if it turns out better than SEGA's Project Needlemouse. XD
I'm laughing my ass off at the results no matter what XD If the fanproject is better than SEGA's, then SEGA's doing it wrong, if the whole "it's a fan project" thing was a bunch of BS by SEGA, then they're morons for thinking that would fool people.
What the...? It is a new character!?
[spoiler](http://pressthebuttons.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83452033569e20120a5b6d54c970c-800wi)[/spoiler]
>0< [tornado fang] yes XD
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while having almost no story outside the manual is the safest bet, i feel S3K did in game story right. the small cutscenes and transitions into new zones and acts really helped the presentation.
That they did, but they were kept very simple overall, which worked in it's favour. No dialogue whatsoever, yet you could pretty much tell what was going on anyways.
Looking back, this struck me as a major difference between the fourth and fifth Rockman World games. The fourth game used lots of animation to show what was going on, with only a couple of conversations with Dr. Light and one with Ballade at the end. But the fifth game's scenes were loaded down with text, and I suppose that was carried over into the main series with 7, 8, and 9.
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I hope the game is as fun as the Genesis ones and will never get SA3 ever again.
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Gah, I never know when people are abbreviating "Sonic Adventure" or "Sonic Advance". But I can't think of a good way to do it when the words share so many letters. Uh... SAtur and SAac? Nah...
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Sonic Advance is just Sonic Advanced. or cut the sonic. Sonic Adventure is more commonly abbreviated SA.
also, I woldnt mind a Sonic Adventure 3. actually, before they came up with the werehog, Unleashed was going to be SA 3.
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Yeah, well, any game "could have been" Sonic Adventure 3 if Sega had just decided to call it that.
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I don't want to sound like a Debbie Downer, but if 2D Sonic HD fails to impress people, get ready to say sayonara to Sonic for good.
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Aren't we always saying that?
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Aren't we always saying that?
That's 3D.
If they mess up 2D, that's REALLY that.
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Yeah, well, any game "could have been" Sonic Adventure 3 if Sega had just decided to call it that.
they said it themselves. They originally set out to make Sonic Adventure 3, but in the end, they came up with Unleashed. (Actually, im certain thats why the name in japan is Sonic World Adventure. sounds almost like Sonic Adventure)
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That's 3D.
If they mess up 2D, that's REALLY that.
Some people will say the game is garbage regardless. It's just easy to rag on the franchise, especially when it hasn't really done much in terms of trying to rebuild itself.
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Some people will say the game is garbage regardless. It's just easy to rag on the franchise, especially when it hasn't really done much in terms of trying to rebuild itself.
Pretty much.
But if this game, some how, beats the odds, and at least does something to please 7-9 out of 10 "old heads" and critics, then it has to be doing something right.
Still, even if this game tanks, I don't see Sega abandoning Sonic. If nothing else, they know that Sonic is a franchise that kids (or rather, their parents) and suckers will continue to buy, regardless of the quality.
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Well, Unleashed was a step in the right direction. Just switch out the werehog for Knuckles, and there you have it..
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Well, Unleashed was a step in the right direction. Just switch out the werehog for Knuckles, and there you have it..
The reduction of new characters was also in the step in the right direction, don't forget that it's Shadow's fault 6 new characters is a few too many when they introduced Rouge, Shadow, and Big (Along with Blaze, Silver, and Marine with Chip and Cream the sidekicks, the Chaotix, hell.. even Bark, Bean, Tiara, Fang/Nack, and the two unused characters Tiara and Honey (Wonder where Mina and Ash Mongoose came from..) could make good modern comebacks).
I apologize for this, since I don't know if adding 12+ Characters to a series that's standalone with Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Eggman, Amy, and Metal Sonic was the best thing for the series... Could've gone the Mario route with the RPGs, but eh, who knows?
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Big has the best gameplay in adventure.
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Fishing is fun~
And hitting enemies with the fishing rod. You can lift up cars and stuff. ^^
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Big is awesome.
"The light is broken! I can't see anything! I can't see...oh, wait, I just had my eyes closed."
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FROOOOGYYYY WHERE AAAARE YOUUUUU
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I had been frognapped by Eggman, you [sonic slicer]! :D
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Fishing is fun~
And hitting enemies with the fishing rod. You can lift up cars and stuff. ^^
This I've gotto see
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I know it's not related, but anyone else been keeping up with that Needlemouse.com webpage?
It looks badass now, I'm more excited for it than I am SEGA's official Needlemouse project! 8D
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Dunno. I dont like the overly Tim Burton-y trees.
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Eh... looks okay... for a fan game. I don't care for the art style, though.
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WELL I LIKES IT, SO STFU AND GTFO. >: |
Haha.
Well, I like the interesting Tim Burton like art style.
It's interesting to see in Sonic's world!
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Though honestly, Im not gonna judge till I see something remotely workable besides some art.
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TIM BURTON'S
NIGHTMARE BEFORE EGGMAS
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*rimshot*
God, Imagine? Tim Burton Sonic?
WHOA, now THAT would be trippy.
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I'd play it! XD
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Id play it too, But I mean like, a movie. It would probably be a cliched story with awesome visuals
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As well as a Soundtrack by Danny Elfman & Sonic played by Johnny Depp!
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Yknow, i was racking my mind as to what he would play. XD
who would Eggman be?
actually, I just got an AMAZING thought.
Imagine Eggmanland, that monstrous thing frm Unleashed, designed by Burton.
Now THAT would be some scary [parasitic bomb] there.
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Oh yeah, it would indeed.
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We must fund it. XD
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Tim Burton's Sonic The Hedgehog, coming summer of 2012.
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Tim Burton, sonic the Hedgehog, masterpiece? :\